Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #461
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest       Tuesday, January 13 1998       Volume 02 : Number 461

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:44:52 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka:party

Hmmm......maybe a party on the wake of a mass death (NPI) is rather a foolish 
idea.  I hereby rescedule the party for "sometime in the near future" and would 
gratefully accept suggestions as to when would be a good time.

- ----------
From:  Brian Raiter
Sent:  Monday, January 12, 1998 4:12 PM
To:  'ackaposts'
Subject:  Re: acka:party

> I would like to invite everyone in ackanomia to come to my house for
> a party on the night of Saturday, the twentyfourth.  The party is to
> welcome all the newcomers(myself included) and to remember everyone
> who has worked, and died to make ackanomia what it is today.

I think you may want to hold off on committing to a date for now.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:46:25 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: New Player (Calvin N Hobbes)

Bout time too. I was running out of horses heads, and getting tired of flying to 
hawaii to put them in your bed.

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From:  Aaron V. Humphrey
Sent:  Monday, January 12, 1998 7:10 PM
To:  Ackanomic
Subject:  Acka: New Player (Calvin N Hobbes)

Earlier today I received the following limerick from <[email-masked]>:

> Due to unavoidable peer pressure,
> I, too, wish to jump on the thresher.
> So would you, Registrar,
> Let me up to the bar
> And I can end all this wild conjecture?

Replying to ask for the standard Registrar information, I got the following
response:

> > I need from you a choice of legal Ackanomic name, which will be between 3
> > to 20 characters in length and not contain any characters like brackets
> 
> I choose to be known as Slagothor, Eater of Souls and Conqueror of 187
> Dimensions, who Personally Injured the vicious Chicken of Bristol Before
> That Wuss Sir Robin Got There.  But you can call me Slagothor.  Let me
> know if there's a conflict, I guess; there didn't seem to be.
> 
> > it's okay or not.  :-)  Also, I can't remember if your full real name was
> > on this message, and if not I'll need that as well.
> 
> I don't believe it was; PINE does strange things to it sometimes.  My real
> full name is Eric Plumb.  Do you need any other statistics?
> 
> > Optionally, if you wish you can become a non-voting player, which is to
> > say you won't be as fully involved in the game, but you also won't be
> > required to do as much. 
> 
> Nah, I think I might as well jump right in, both feet in the grave, in for
> a penny, in for a pound, and damn the torpedoes.  But thanks for the
> offer.
> 
> > And, also optionally, you can answer the "market
> > research" question about how you found out about Ackanomic.  ("Peer
> > pressure"?)
> 
> My friends Josh (Goldenmean) and Aaron (Bill the pirate king) have both
> been trying to persuade me to join via the usual means (dead horses'
> heads in my bed, etc.) so their newly founded club will be of legal
> membership size.  Also, I think Nomic is an amazingly fun game.
> 
> Thanks for your astoundingly timely response,

So let us all welcome to the game Slagothor, a.k.a. Eric Plumb
<[email-masked]>, for whom Calvin N Hobbes has been selected as Mentor.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Rhythm, Country & Blues
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
Support your local medical examiner: die strangely.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:13:08 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: ACKA:Bill TPK sucks

Better remember to put acka in all your subject lines or you could end up 
hosed.  Also the cat thing works out fine. There is no gravity in ackanomia, so 
the cat will float till someone moves it. Of cource the SPCA will be pissed.

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From:  Rico
Sent:  Monday, January 12, 1998 9:57 PM
To:  aaron shapiro
Subject:  Bill TPK sucks

Yeah, well, i happen to *like* dead horses' heads in my bed.  They taste
like chicken.

- -rico

OK, so you're telling me that a cat dropped with a piece of buttered toast
strapped to its back will levitate?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:18:15 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: ACKA:Bill TPK sucks

Whoa sorry had a bit of a bout with snowgods disease there I think.

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From:  aaron shapiro
Sent:  Monday, January 12, 1998 11:13 PM
To:  'ackaposts'
Subject:  RE: ACKA:Bill TPK sucks

Better remember to put acka in all your subject lines or you could end up 
hosed.  Also the cat thing works out fine. There is no gravity in ackanomia, so 
the cat will float till someone moves it. Of cource the SPCA will be pissed.

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From:  Rico
Sent:  Monday, January 12, 1998 9:57 PM
To:  aaron shapiro
Subject:  Bill TPK sucks

Yeah, well, i happen to *like* dead horses' heads in my bed.  They taste
like chicken.

- -rico

OK, so you're telling me that a cat dropped with a piece of buttered toast
strapped to its back will levitate?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:35:22 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:demo

I hereby create a trinket, named "DEMO FOR RICO."  It is about 1/8 of a 
standard cat height long and has a defiction of the steps involved in the making 
of a trinket etched into it.  The trinket is made of silver and has a value of A$1.
I give this trinket to slogathor.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:49:53 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 509 Verdict

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> > Errmm...so does this mean I got another untouch me card. I must say, I
> > can't really follow the initiators statement, so I'm not sure. I sure hope
> > that's what it means because God only knows what'd happen if the treasury
> > tried auctioning something it no longer had. I also believe that the
> > auction on the otzma card untouch me that I started finished yesterday. I
> > believe Niccollo Flychuck got it for A$15.
> 
> What Malenkai wanted to know was, if you enter the Vault of the Book at
> 12:00, and the OiCoRT determines at 18:00 that you got an Otzma Card
> there, whether you get the Otzma Card at 12:00 or at 18:00.  My ruling
> was that it would be at 12:00(although if you lost 5 points, that would
> occur at 18:00).  Why would you get _another_ Untouch Me card?
> 
> (Hmmm, mistyped that as "Uncouth Me" the first time...that would be a card
> that would cause a Politeness Moon to be called on you, wouldn't it?  :-)

Well, Malenkai did the random choice before e left.  If TGW got the Otzma
Card at the time of reading, it was determined to be Vulcan's Untouch Me
card (TGW got Niccolo's Untouch Me card in the mini Auction, making it
_another_ Untouch Me).  If it was at the time of determination, e got the
Scientist for a Day card from the Auction (not the Treasury, but the
Auction).

> At last, the Eludium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator!
Funny, I always heard it as Q-36
Isn't that lovely, hmmmm?
- --
Duncan "Unhosed!" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:11:06 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: first action attempt

I, Slagothor, hereby create a trinket known as Sluggo's Razor Boomerang.

Its value is A$2.

Its description is as follows, delimited by the words BILL TPK RIPPED OFF
MY IDEA.

BILL TPK RIPPED OFF MY IDEA
It is a shiny hadrathium razor boomerang inscribed with the legend
"One 'Rang to rule them all, one 'Rang to bind them."
It is better than Bill's Razor Boomerang.
BILL TPK RIPPED OFF MY IDEA

I hereby donate the required A$2 to the Treasury of Ackanomic.

- -rico

OK, so you're telling me that a cat dropped with a piece of buttered toast
strapped to its back will levitate?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:13:32 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Financial Actions

I hereby convert my trinket, Repeal Bee Dub Gee, into cash.

I hereby purchase a Party Chess Piece Cantor and a Party Chess Piece
Jester.  Total cost = (5*7)+1 + (3*7)+1 = A$58

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:19:20 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: first action attempt

Truth be told slogathor, goldenmean  made that trinket and gave it to me.
Also anything dropped in ackanomia will "levitate" as there is no gravity to 
make it do otherwise.  At the very least a dropped object will not fall to the floor.

- ----------
From:  Rico
Sent:  Tuesday, January 13, 1998 12:11 AM
To:  [email-masked]
Subject:  Acka: first action attempt

I, Slagothor, hereby create a trinket known as Sluggo's Razor Boomerang.

Its value is A$2.

Its description is as follows, delimited by the words BILL TPK RIPPED OFF
MY IDEA.

BILL TPK RIPPED OFF MY IDEA
It is a shiny hadrathium razor boomerang inscribed with the legend
"One 'Rang to rule them all, one 'Rang to bind them."
It is better than Bill's Razor Boomerang.
BILL TPK RIPPED OFF MY IDEA

I hereby donate the required A$2 to the Treasury of Ackanomic.

- -rico

OK, so you're telling me that a cat dropped with a piece of buttered toast
strapped to its back will levitate?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:28:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2580

Slakko: As a favor I would ask you to retract proposal 2580. The
reason I didn't make a similar proposal myself earlier was that I
suspected that the rule had been written that way to deal with another
corner case. I finally found out that in fact it was, while looking
for something unrelated in the mail archives. This corner case may not
be as important in the current ruleset, but I would like to hold off
on amending the foundational rules for a relatively rare situation
until things here settle down and I have time to actually think.

Sorry to spring this on you so late in the voting period, BTW.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:43:16 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: first action attempt

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, aaron shapiro wrote:

> Truth be told slogathor, goldenmean  made that trinket and gave it to me.

I, Slagothor, do present my most humble apologies for my hasty and
inaccurate invective with this original limerick:

I hereby myself do abase
So that Bill TPK can save face.
For false accusations
'Bout plagiarations
Work to enhance nobody's case.

But my Razor Boomerang is still better than Bill's.

> Also anything dropped in ackanomia will "levitate" as there is no gravity to 
> make it do otherwise.  At the very least a dropped object will not fall to the floor.

Thus proving the cat-toast hypothesis discussed in the previous letter...

- -rico

Where do you want to go, toady?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:52:06 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: join Razor Boomerang organization (fwd)

I, Slagothor, the proud owner of Sluggo's Razor Boomerang, now wish to
join the organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs."

I also hereby create a trinket known as Goldie's Razor Boomerang, whose
description follows:

It is a smallish razor boomerang made out of gold, and boy, is it mean.
It is inscribed with the legend "Watch your Fingers."

It has a value of A$3.

I hereby give the trinket known as Goldie's Razor Boomerang to Goldenmean,
founder and leader of the Razor Boomerangs organization.  This is by no
(golden) means a bribe.

- -rico

Where do you want to go, toady?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:17:40 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: join Razor Boomerang organization (fwd)

I hereby accept Slagothor into the Razor Boomerangs and thank him kindly
for his bri... er gift.

Rico wrote:

> I, Slagothor, the proud owner of Sluggo's Razor Boomerang, now wish to
> join the organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs."
>
> I also hereby create a trinket known as Goldie's Razor Boomerang, whose
> description follows:
>
> It is a smallish razor boomerang made out of gold, and boy, is it mean.
> It is inscribed with the legend "Watch your Fingers."
>
> It has a value of A$3.
>
> I hereby give the trinket known as Goldie's Razor Boomerang to Goldenmean,
> founder and leader of the Razor Boomerangs organization.  This is by no
> (golden) means a bribe.
>
> -rico
>
> Where do you want to go, toady?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:28:14 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Big tent

Okay.  The Razor Boomerangs are attempting to purchase a big tent.
Could I please get the other members approval on this?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:48:13 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Big tent

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> Okay.  The Razor Boomerangs are attempting to purchase a big tent.
> Could I please get the other members approval on this?

Slagothor approves wholeheartedly, and in a fit of benevolence, decides to
not only make a Gift of A$100 to Goldenmean, but to refer to Slagothor by
Slagothor's own name rather than by pronouns referring to Slagothor for
the rest of this post, which ends here.

- -rico

Where do you want to go, toady?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:51:25 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Big tent

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From:  aaron shapiro
Sent:  Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:34 AM
To:  'Joshua Herreshoff'
Subject:  RE: Acka: Big tent

I don't see why I shouldn't so I formally ack this purchase.
Bill the Pirate King.

- ----------
From:  Joshua Herreshoff
Sent:  Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:28 AM
To:  [email-masked]
Subject:  Acka: Big tent

Okay.  The Razor Boomerangs are attempting to purchase a big tent.
Could I please get the other members approval on this?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:16:10 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Swinging

Well, I'm not exactly sure how to go about announcing this, but none
of my other organization-mates seem to want it, and I really want to
play party chess, so I'm now the swinger for The Razor Boomerangs.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:58 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Swinging

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> Well, I'm not exactly sure how to go about announcing this, but none
> of my other organization-mates seem to want it, and I really want to
> play party chess, so I'm now the swinger for The Razor Boomerangs.

Well, if no-one else speaks up from your party then I can't really say
anything else.  Okay, I've put you on the list of Swingers.  Are you
subscribed to acka-chess?  If not, email majordomo about it.  Updates go
to everyone on that list after each move (except a warm automatic pass),
plus turns are also sent to the person who is next due to play.

Your colour on the swing pages is teal, your prefix letter is R (for Razor
Boomerangs), and you can now send me your list of 5 pieces whose total
Weight is less than or equal to 30.
(Please email this privately so we don't clutter up the lists too much).

ObNote: At least you get an easier time of starting swinging than I did.
When I joined the game was stagnant, and didn't start up again until I got
the job of Chess-Umpire.

Yours,
Slakko
Chess-Umpire
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:17:50 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Null Duel

That's a very disappointing way of getting points.
I didn't know Malenkai was leaving Ackanomic when I asked Alfvaen to issue
the Challenge for me.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Niccolo Flychuck's Duel Challenge against Malenkai having gone unanswered,
> Niccolo Flychuck wins the Duel by default.  Malenkai, not being a player,
> cannot lose any points, but I think Niccolo Flychuck can still gain some.
> 
> Gee, I should've challengedMurphy while e was here, if I'd known it was
> that easy to get 6 points...:-)
> 
> 
> - --
> - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Captain Tractor:Dublin Lullaby
> Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
> Cynthia is mistakenly crowned King of Norway.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:42:01 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 509 Verdict

Ah, the two big Hubert situations <nod knowingly, look very sage>.

... Okay, okay, I have _no_ idea what the 'two big Hubert situations'
are.  Could someone please explain / point somewhere I could find out,
please?

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Brian Raiter [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Monday, January 12, 1998 6:26 PM
>To:	Ackanomic
>Subject:	Re: Acka: CFJ 509 Verdict
>
>> Rule 380 says that if a day of the week or the month is specified
>> for an event, but no time of day, then the event will take place at
>> noon.  (Upon reflection, this means that the Magic Potato transfer
>> always happens at noon, as opposed to "whenever the OiCoRT decides
>> who got the Potato, but that's a different CFJ, I guess.)
>
>Actually, the Magic Potato was (probably - I couldn't say for certain)
>the main motivation for Rule 380. The Magic Potato was the first
>Ackanomic entity (though back then they weren't called entities), and
>trying to deal with it has often been a prime motivator for the rules
>we have now that determine when game events actually "happen".
>
>That, and the two big Hubert situations.
>
>breadbox
>

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:43:32 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gaol

Yes, that's right Slagothor, you're mentor's in jail!

Welcome to Ackanomic!

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Aaron V. Humphrey <[email-masked]>
> To: Ackanomic <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Gaol
> Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:19 PM
> 
> 
> I believe that despite the Appeal of CFCJ 148, Calvin N Hobbes must now
> start eir day in Gaol.  Unless the Appeal verdict comes real quick.  :-)
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Rhythm, Country & Blues
> Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
> Tell me, oh Buddha, how much do you weigh, and what's your favourite
colour?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:52:36 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RFC: The Monolith

Having carefully read the rule that I made, and after tense, weary
minutes of calculating in my head, I determined that it would cost more
to get a Boon of the Ancients from the Monolith than to get a Museum
Win.  This didn't seem very reasonable to me.  Can anyone suggest a
better method of charging people?

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka:party

> If other times are more convenient for everyone I could maybe change it???

  I for one don't have much 'net time.  You'll have trouble accomodating
everyone.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
If it's before midnight, it's early in the morning.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:16:35 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Stripe

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot...my Blue Cross Rank reached 80 with the
passage of P2559, so I award myself another Silver Cross.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Colourfield:Miss Texas 1967
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
May Jo equal the fine record by solving six puzzles a week?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:27:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:demo

> I hereby create a trinket, named "DEMO FOR RICO."  It is about 1/8 of a 
> standard cat height long and has a defiction of the steps involved in the making 

  'defiction'?  Hey, I like that word.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
Age is wasted on the old.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:31:56 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: CFJ 512 (Crackfoo)

CFJ 512 has been assigned to Crackfoo.

Acting Clerk of The Court
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 512
  Subject: Malenkai's playerhood
Initiator: Bill the pirate king
Submitted: 98-01-13 05:10
    Judge: Crackfoo (selected 98-01-13 10:30)
Judgement:

Statement:

Malenkai was unable to leave the game.

Initiator's Reasoning:

Rule one states that "Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 
28, 1997 [/dev/joe, Malenkai, ThinMan, andVynd] are Evil Overlords of 
Ackanomic (retired)"
This I take as meaning they are always the only members of the Evil Overlords
Of Ackanomic (retired)(hereafter EOA).
The rule also states "No other players and no non-players are EvilOverlords of 
Ackanomic (retired). "
So malenkai must be a member of EOA, but as a non player cannot be a 
member of EOA.

So either malenkai was unable to leave, or the customary interpretation of rule one must change.  As rule one states "The game state may not be altered in 
such a way as to cause the customary interpretation of this rule to be 
changed." The customary interpretation may not be changed and so malenkai was unable to leave the game.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Colourfield:Miss Texas 1967
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
Maturity is not biting a cat.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:34 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

Forwarded message:
>From alfvaen  Tue Jan 13 07:40:03 1998
Date:	Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:52:02 +0000 ()
From:	Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To:	"Aaron V. Humphrey" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
X-X-Sender: [email-masked]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
X-UIDL: b36e9769b131f5ff6ef9af2cdad0275e

CFJ 513 has been assigned to Red Barn.

Acting Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 513
  Subject: Malenkai's playerhood II
Initiator: Slakko
Submitted: 98-01-13 04:52
    Judge: Red Barn (selected 98-01-13 10:34)
Judgement:

Statement:

Malenkai is a player of Ackanomic.

Initiator's Reasoning:

Rule 1 says:

The game state may not be altered in such a way as to cause the customary
interpretation of this rule to be changed. 

Earlier in Rule 1 it says:

Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 28, 1997 [/dev/joe,
Malenkai, ThinMan, and Vynd] are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic (retired). No
other players and no non-players are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic
(retired). 

The change in the game state from Malenkai being a player to Malenkai no
longer being a player creates a conflict in Rule 1, between the first
sentence and the second sentence.  This therefore attempts to change the
customary interpretation of the rule (clearly the interpretation cannot be
the same if a conflict appears from no conflict).  Hence the change to the
game state which caused the change is a figment of everyone's imagination.
Hence Malenkai never left the game of Ackanomic.  Hence Malenkai is still
an active player.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Colourfield:Miss Texas 1967
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
It is far better to blow out one candle than to curse the light.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:49 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

I imagine that Malenkai is going to be pleased if these are judged TRUE.
:)

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:36 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)
>
>Forwarded message:
>From alfvaen  Tue Jan 13 07:40:03 1998
>Date:	Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:52:02 +0000 ()
>From:	Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
>To:	"Aaron V. Humphrey" <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Acka: CFJ
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>CFJ 513 has been assigned to Red Barn.
>
>Acting Clerk of the Courts
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 513
>  Subject: Malenkai's playerhood II
>Initiator: Slakko
>Submitted: 98-01-13 04:52
>    Judge: Red Barn (selected 98-01-13 10:34)
>Judgement:
>
>Statement:
>
>Malenkai is a player of Ackanomic.
>
>Initiator's Reasoning:
>
>Rule 1 says:
>
>The game state may not be altered in such a way as to cause the customary
>interpretation of this rule to be changed. 
>
>Earlier in Rule 1 it says:
>
>Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 28, 1997 [/dev/joe,
>Malenkai, ThinMan, and Vynd] are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic (retired). No
>other players and no non-players are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic
>(retired). 
>
>The change in the game state from Malenkai being a player to Malenkai no
>longer being a player creates a conflict in Rule 1, between the first
>sentence and the second sentence.  This therefore attempts to change the
>customary interpretation of the rule (clearly the interpretation cannot be
>the same if a conflict appears from no conflict).  Hence the change to the
>game state which caused the change is a figment of everyone's imagination.
>Hence Malenkai never left the game of Ackanomic.  Hence Malenkai is still
>an active player.
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
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>Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
>It is far better to blow out one candle than to curse the light.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:56:57 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: RFC: The Monolith

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> Having carefully read the rule that I made, and after tense, weary
> minutes of calculating in my head, I determined that it would cost more
> to get a Boon of the Ancients from the Monolith than to get a Museum
> Win.  This didn't seem very reasonable to me.  Can anyone suggest a
> better method of charging people?

I think that the charge is fine.  The reward is the problem.  Maybe we
should reduce the reward threshold.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:51:54 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Financial Actions

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> I hereby convert my trinket, Repeal Bee Dub Gee, into cash.
> 
> I hereby purchase a Party Chess Piece Cantor and a Party Chess Piece
> Jester.  Total cost = (5*7)+1 + (3*7)+1 = A$58

And it could have been such a valuable antique.  Sigh, another who doesn't
care about Acka's cultural heritage.

rufus

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

> CFJ 513 has been assigned to Red Barn.

  I accept this.  I also return verdict by this message; see below.

> Acting Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgement 513
>   Subject: Malenkai's playerhood II
> Initiator: Slakko
> Submitted: 98-01-13 04:52
>     Judge: Red Barn (selected 98-01-13 10:34)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Malenkai is a player of Ackanomic.
> 
> Initiator's Reasoning:
> 
> Rule 1 says:
> 
> The game state may not be altered in such a way as to cause the customary
> interpretation of this rule to be changed. 
> 
> Earlier in Rule 1 it says:
> 
> Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 28, 1997 [/dev/joe,
> Malenkai, ThinMan, and Vynd] are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic (retired). No
> other players and no non-players are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic
> (retired). 
> 
> The change in the game state from Malenkai being a player to Malenkai no
> longer being a player creates a conflict in Rule 1, between the first
> sentence and the second sentence.  This therefore attempts to change the
> customary interpretation of the rule (clearly the interpretation cannot be
> the same if a conflict appears from no conflict).  Hence the change to the
> game state which caused the change is a figment of everyone's imagination.
> Hence Malenkai never left the game of Ackanomic.  Hence Malenkai is still
> an active player.

  I agree that he never left the game; that he is still active remains
to be shown though it is probably the case.  TRUE.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

> I imagine that Malenkai is going to be pleased if these are judged TRUE.
> :)

  I'd imagine...

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Impeachment papers

In the CFJ 513 TRUE thread (I know, it hasn't been appealed yet, but I
suspect it will be) I am calling for the impeachment of Malenkai from the
office of Speaker.  Malenkai has exercied his cruel tyranny over the
peoples of Ackanomic for too long!  Few are those who can remember the
halcyion days before his reign of terror, sadly I am not one of them.  I
have read of them, however, and it makes me weep to think of the joys we
have lost.  Perhaps if Malenkai had never been Speaker, the Voting Gnome
would still be with us today, and children would run laughing through the
fields.  As it stands, the best we can hope for now is to throw Malenkai
out of office, and attempt to rebuild after the incalculable damage
wrought under his tenure.  An impossible task, I know, but I feel I must
call upon the citizens of Ackanomic to try, to find the strength to stand
up and be heard, to strike back against the black oppression that is
Malenkai.  Give us liberty, or give us death!

I am voting in favor of the impeachment of Malenkai from the Office of
Speaker.

Sorry, but I always wanted to do that.

                                - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:44:20 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Impeachment papers

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> I am voting in favor of the impeachment of Malenkai from the Office of
> Speaker.

I vote YES on this impeachment.
(2-0)

Further, I believe that Malenkai's yoke has affected the game
dramatically!  All eir offices must be removed now!

I hereby call for the impeachment of Malenkai from the Office of Clerk of
the Court.

I vote YES on this impeachment.
(1-0)

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:09:04 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

> > CFJ 513 has been assigned to Red Barn.
> 
>   I accept this.  I also return verdict by this message; see below.
> 
> > Acting Clerk of the Courts
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Call For Judgement 513
> >   Subject: Malenkai's playerhood II
> > Initiator: Slakko
> > Submitted: 98-01-13 04:52
> >     Judge: Red Barn (selected 98-01-13 10:34)
> > Judgement:
> > 
> > Statement:
> > 
> > Malenkai is a player of Ackanomic.
> > 
> > Initiator's Reasoning:
> > 
> > Rule 1 says:
> > 
> > The game state may not be altered in such a way as to cause the
customary
> > interpretation of this rule to be changed. 
> > 
> > Earlier in Rule 1 it says:
> > 
> > Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 28, 1997 [/dev/joe,
> > Malenkai, ThinMan, and Vynd] are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic (retired).
No
> > other players and no non-players are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic
> > (retired). 
> > 
> > The change in the game state from Malenkai being a player to Malenkai
no
> > longer being a player creates a conflict in Rule 1, between the first
> > sentence and the second sentence.  This therefore attempts to change
the
> > customary interpretation of the rule (clearly the interpretation cannot
be
> > the same if a conflict appears from no conflict).  Hence the change to
the
> > game state which caused the change is a figment of everyone's
imagination.
> > Hence Malenkai never left the game of Ackanomic.  Hence Malenkai is
still
> > an active player.
> 
>   I agree that he never left the game; that he is still active remains
> to be shown though it is probably the case.  TRUE.

If this is an official verdict, or ever becomes official then I appeal it
with the following reasoning (I somehow get the feeling that Malenkai might
support this appeal:-)):

There is some conflict in the rules, that is not under debate. I fail to
see how rule 1 can prevent any of the Evil Overlords from leaving the game,
however. The following are snippets from the rules that I consider
relevant:

(From Rule 1)
Those players who were members of Vulcan on August 28, 1997 [/dev/joe,
Malenkai, ThinMan, and Vynd] are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic (retired).

(From Rule 1)
No other players and no non-players are Evil Overlords of Ackanomic
(retired). 

(From Rule 1)
 If this rule conflicts with any other rule, then this rule shall guide
play.

(From Rule 101)
 A player always has the option to leave the Game of Ackanomic. 

(From Rule 101)
This rule has precedence over all other rules. 

(From Rule 256)
Upon a player leaving, the following procedure takes place, in the order
shown. 
<SNIP>
6) The player ceases to be a player and becomes an Undead. 

Firstly I shall attempt to decide precedence. By right, rule 1 should take
precedence over rule 101 and rule 256, and rule 101 should take precedence
over rule 256. Rule 101, however claims to take precedence over all other
rules. Rule 1 claims to take precedence "If this rule conflicts with any
other rule". Nothing in rule 1 indicates that no Evil Overlords may quit
Acka so I believe that rule 101 takes precedence.

"But doesn't this lead to a paradox?" I hear you say. By rule 256 if
Malenkai did leave the game then e becomes an undead and hence a
non-player. By rule 1 e would therefore NOT be an Evil Overlord. The first
quote from rule 1 includes states "Those players who were..." note this is
not "Those who were members..." It specifically states PLAYERS. Malenkai is
no longer a player so this does not apply to him. Even if the rule failed
to specify players I still believe that Malenkai would not be an Evil
Overlord since the later section from the rule should take precedence.

I also fail to see how Malenkai's leaving the game would change the
customary interpretation of rule 1. The customary interpretation is not
that Malenkai, /dev/joe/, ThinMan and Vynd are Evil Overlords. It is that
all entities who are players and were also members of Vulcan on August 28
are Evil Overlords. Up until now, the two have been equivalent but there is
now a significant difference.

I think that that just about covers everything. Although I feel that any
one of these points should be enough to overturn the judgement, I felt it
necessary to write them all down so as not to be deemed frivolous. I shall
also use this opportunity to point out that if I am wrong then Vulcan ought
to disband, their charter includes the repeal of badly written rules and if
they have made such an elimentary error in a rule which is intended to
remain in the rules for ever then a sense of morality and what is write....
Still I digress, I firmly believe that this should be overturned to FALSE.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:38 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Elders

If, in fact, it is possible for me to do so, I support Malenkai's and mr cwm's
nominations to the Hall of Elders.  If not possible, then I will just remark
that it's only because you people sling around too much e-mail to wade through
with hip boots.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:57:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Impeachment papers

> up and be heard, to strike back against the black oppression that is
> Malenkai.  Give us liberty, or give us death!

  LOL!

> I am voting in favor of the impeachment of Malenkai from the Office of
> Speaker.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:23:57 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:  cfj 513 true

IN the  CFJ 513 true thread, CFJ 513 did not take place.  I think,
anyways.  If Malenkai is still a player, then he is the holder of hte
office of Clerk of the Court.  It is still his job to assign CFJs.  In
this case, Alfvaen is impersonating the Speaker and CotC.  I call on the
Caped Crusader to investigate him for possible criminal activity.  Is
impersonating an officer a crime?  I dont' think it actually is.  It
prolly should be.

rufus

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