Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #452
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest        Friday, January 9 1998        Volume 02 : Number 452

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:34:28 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Trombone

> It is my belief that I now possess exactly 76 points, which unless I am
> very much mistaken means I can take possession of the great trombone of
> Ackanomic, which I am now doing.

Ah, I see.  Okay, you got the Trombone.  (I submitted a Proposal and
then retracted it, myself, before discovering that my score had actually
been 76 points before I'd retracted the Proposal, so it had been utterly
unnecessary.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
People are like onions--you cut them up, and they make you cry.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:44:17 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: New Organization

> I'd like to found a new organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs"

So are you forming this organization, or are you just declaring intent?
Sorry, for some reason I thought the latter...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
Your twisted prejudices aren't shared by me, fetish boy.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:53:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: New Player (two-star)

Aaron Shapiro, the observer with intent to join, has announce eir
willingness to join.  Eir email is [email-masked], and the Ackanomic
name e wishes is "Bill the pirate king".  (Which, like our last pirate's
name, is exactly 20 characters...)  E says that e heard about Ackanomic
from Goldenmean...although I got eir original message before Goldenmean's,
but temporal causality can be a tricky thing.

two-star has been chosen as eir mentor.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
Once I was the King of Pain; now I eat humble pie.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:54:14 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Aaronic League

I am forming a new organization, called the Aaronic League.  I invite
Fortunato and Bill the pirate king to join me therein, and any other
players who happen to be named "Aaron".

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:14:16 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Organization

Sorry, was trying to couch all of my language in meek newbie-nes seeingas
how I'm still not entirely sure how to go about most things.  Allow me
to re-phrase.

I'm founding a new organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs" and
there's nothing any of you can do to stop me.  MWA-HA-HA-HA.

I'm inviting Bill the Pirate King and anyone else I happen to know in
Real Life.

Seeing as at the moment I'm the only member, I vote to give myself
power to admit new players to "The Razor Boomerangs" without the
other members say-so.  Said vote passes unanimously.

> > I'd like to found a new organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs"
>
> So are you forming this organization, or are you just declaring intent?
> Sorry, for some reason I thought the latter...

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:27:50 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: joining new league

My first official acka-action.   I hereby petition goldenmean for acceptance
Into the razor boomerangs,  also if it isnt somehow illegal I would like to
Accept alfvaen's invitation to join the aronic league.
Sorry alfvaen but if I cant be in two clubs at  the same time then I would 
Prefer to stick with the other newbie.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:32:49 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: joining new league

> My first official acka-action.   I hereby petition goldenmean for acceptance
> Into the razor boomerangs,  also if it isnt somehow illegal I would like to
> Accept alfvaen's invitation to join the aronic league.

> Sorry alfvaen but if I cant be in two clubs at  the same time then I would 
> Prefer to stick with the other newbie.

Fair enough.  :-)  But it is legal, since it is not the case that both
The Razor Boomerangs and the Aaronic League are Political Parties, so it
is no crime to belong to both.

I hereby accept Bill the pirate king into the Aaronic League.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
The South Pole opened up, all the penguins fell inside

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:37:10 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: joining new league

I accept Bill the Pirate King's request for entry into the Razor Boomerangs.
I also create a trinket entitled "Bill's Razor Boomerang" worth A$1 with
the following description.

"A shiny razor boomerang emblazoned with skulls & crossbones"

I then give "Bill's Razor Boomerang" to Bill the Pirate King

aaron shapiro wrote:

> My first official acka-action.   I hereby petition goldenmean for acceptance
> Into the razor boomerangs,  also if it isnt somehow illegal I would like to
> Accept alfvaen's invitation to join the aronic league.
> Sorry alfvaen but if I cant be in two clubs at  the same time then I would
> Prefer to stick with the other newbie.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:43:09 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka

I hereby donate $A100 to goldenmean for the razor boomerang fund.
Someone tell me if this isnt how this sort of thing is done.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:53:21 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, aaron shapiro wrote:

> I hereby donate $A100 to goldenmean for the razor boomerang fund.
> Someone tell me if this isnt how this sort of thing is done.

The organization has a life of its own.  You can just give the A$100 to
the organization "The Razor Boomerangs" if you want.

Yours,
Slakko
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:09:06 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka

Oh, great.  There goes a perfectly worthwhile scam.  Thanks a lot ;)
I hereby donate A$300 to "The Razor Boomerangs"

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, aaron shapiro wrote:
>
> > I hereby donate $A100 to goldenmean for the razor boomerang fund.
> > Someone tell me if this isnt how this sort of thing is done.
>
> The organization has a life of its own.  You can just give the A$100 to
> the organization "The Razor Boomerangs" if you want.
>
> Yours,
> Slakko
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:40:25 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Land Purchase

If available, I'm buying the kaa of land at E9.

Thanks.
Goldenmean

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:11 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Land Purchase

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> If available, I'm buying the kaa of land at E9.

It is available.

Acked and harfed.

Map-Harfer Slakko.
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:06:38 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: House teleportation

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> If possible, and providing rufus accepts, I would like to swap my kaa of
> land, including house, at K2, for rufus's kaa, including house, at M6.

What's in it for me, eh?  

If this is indeed possible, I will go along with it
rufus

> 

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:59 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Auction

I'm bidding A$15 for each ofthe Otzma Card Auctions

Niccolo Flychuck

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> 
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but this means that the three highest bids for
> > Share your Income cards will get one, and the two highest bids on Foul
> > Fowl and Grave Robber?  Or is it possible to bid on,say, both of the Foul
> > Fowl cards seperately?
> 
> No and no.
> 
> Part g of 1240.1 says that each set of cards of the same type is
> "grouped".  This means it is sold as a single indivisible lot.  We have 8
> auctions of one item each.  So the lots are not broken up at the end, nor
> do people have the option of bidding on single cards in multi-card lots.
> 
> - --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:46:39 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka proposal submit for comment

{{[ This is a presumptious proposal. <:-)]}}
OCEANS AND BEACHES
{{If adopted this proposal becomes rule 860 or the next available 
number in the 800's}}

A) BEACHES
1)Let a common location known as the beach exist.   The beach is a 
desolate strip of sand  30 to 300 cat lengths in width.  It is always sunny at the 
beach unless weather conditions are specified by other rules.  Any player may 
go to the beach as a public action. Any player at the beach is said to be having 
fun.
B) OCEANS
1) Let a common location known as the ocean exist.  A player may not 
go to the ocean unless e is at the beach, or as otherwise specified in part 2 of 
this rule.  Any player entering the ocean is said to be swimming.  Any player 
possessing the wings mutation is unable to swim. A player at the ocean may 
not take part in any public action, [vote, bid on an auction etc...] The ocean 
surrounds ackanomia on the sides that the gaol  touches. [as shown by the 
official map] It is exactly that shade of blue green that oceans are, and is 
composed almost entirely of salt water.  The ocean extends from the specified 
edges of ackanomia to the edge of the world. [There are rumors of other lands 
in the ocean but they are probably a heresy of the worst kind and speaking of 
them would get you tarred and feathered.]  The ocean is prevented from 
running over the edge of the world by a large wall of some rust proof metal that 
closely resembles stainless steel. [ this is part of why the round earth 
restoration league  needs such an expensive machine, the wall must meet up 
with a groove in the hemispherical portion of the world to interlock and prevent 
future seperation.]
2) Any player successfully rafting down the Ackanomian River as 
described in rule 835/4 shall go to the ocean, bypassing the beach.  
Upon leaving the ocean the rafting player must go to the beach to rest for 
1(one) day before moving to any other location.

[I just wanted to get some comments on this before I decided if it was ok for me
To submit it.  It seemed a bit presumptious of me to put something this major 
forward on my firs day but I figured  what the hell no guts no glory.  I mean 
what can happen I cant be ridiculed because of the po. Moon worst comes to 
worst I am told it sucks or is illegal and avoid losing points for it being shot 
down so here it is in all its glory.]

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:53:02 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Auction

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> I'm bidding A$15 for each ofthe Otzma Card Auctions

A quick note.  The above bid is actually only a legitimate bid in one of
the auctions.

I bid A$19 on the Paratroop Otzma Card Auction.

Slakko
Chief Cheese
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:16 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Timing

It appears that Bill the pirate king's ISP is an hour slow.
Could this be noted in the relevant timing information?

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:20:32 -1000
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, January 5, 1998

> First a note: because of the CFJ 484 thing, K 2 received A$10 more
> at the last bond cycle because e turned out not to be a deadbeat
> after all.

yippee!!!

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:49:44 -1000
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

3 Share Your Income
I bid $A132

2 Foul Fowl
I bid $A37

2 Grave Robber
I bid $A66

1 Go Fish
I bid $A33

1 Skeleton Key
I bid $A39

1 Paratroop
I bid $A21

1 Scientist for a Day
I bid $A99

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:23:17 -1000
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Auction

Is it a legal bid in Gingham Wearer's auction as well?

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm bidding A$15 for each ofthe Otzma Card Auctions
>
> A quick note.  The above bid is actually only a legitimate bid in one of
> the auctions.
>
> I bid A$19 on the Paratroop Otzma Card Auction.
>
> Slakko
> Chief Cheese
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:51:13 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Auction

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, K 2 wrote:

> Is it a legal bid in Gingham Wearer's auction as well?

Of course, silly me.  His is an Otzma auction after all.
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:25:16 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Aaronic League

I join the organization called the Aaronic League.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, January 09, 1998 12:54 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Acka: Aaronic League
>
>
>I am forming a new organization, called the Aaronic League.  I invite
>Fortunato and Bill the pirate king to join me therein, and any other
>players who happen to be named "Aaron".
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
>Current Album--Pat Metheny w/Dave Holland & Roy Haynes:Question & Answer
>Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
>Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:33:00 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

Assuming these bids are the most up to date (which I really hope is the
case), I make the following bids:

3 Share Your Income - A$150
1 Scientist For A Day - A$110

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	K 2 [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Saturday, January 10, 1998 2:50 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic
>
>3 Share Your Income
>I bid $A132
>
>2 Foul Fowl
>I bid $A37
>
>2 Grave Robber
>I bid $A66
>
>1 Go Fish
>I bid $A33
>
>1 Skeleton Key
>I bid $A39
>
>1 Paratroop
>I bid $A21
>
>1 Scientist for a Day
>I bid $A99
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:45:37 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> Assuming these bids are the most up to date (which I really hope is the
> case), I make the following bids:
> 
> 3 Share Your Income - A$150
> 1 Scientist For A Day - A$110

These two bids take the total value of the currently leading bids to
A$486.  That makes the average price of an Otzma card in this auction more
than A$40.

And I thought I was creating Otzma cards to lower the price :-)

Furrfu.
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:09:13 -1000
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

3 Share Your IncomeI bid $A165

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:16:00 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Bidding

I bid A$45 on the Foul Fowl card(s).

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:51 -1000
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

2 Foul FowlI bid $A50

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:52:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma card Untouch me

I considered adding to the confusion by starting yet another public
auction, but fortunately I'm not quite that easily amused. (Yet,
anyway - maybe in a few more hours without sleep I will be.)

In any case, I have an Otzma Card of type Untouch Me. If anyone is
interested in a purchase (or trade), contact me.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:55:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: joining new league

It would probably be really unkind of me to declare a newcomer as
having Gone Postal already - so instead, I will simply say: "Watch
your subject lines."

breadbox
Postmaster

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:17:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Timing

> It appears that Bill the pirate king's ISP is an hour slow.
> Could this be noted in the relevant timing information?

Y'know, Malenkai planted a seed of an idea in my ear a few weeks ago
about this, and it may have just sprouted.... Let me get back to you
on that.

breadbox
hacker on the loose

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:48:27 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Otzma Card bids

I bid A$50 on the Paratroop Otzma Card

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:49:43 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Public Auction

I am anouncing a Public Auction on the following:
Runestone of Jukkarsjarvi Fragment #13

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:56:22 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : Public Auction

I bid A$1.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Uri Bruck [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, January 09, 1998 9:50 AM
>To:	Ackanomic
>Subject:	acka : Public Auction
>
>
>I am anouncing a Public Auction on the following:
>Runestone of Jukkarsjarvi Fragment #13
>
>Niccolo Flychuck
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:59:54 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : Public Auction

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> I bid A$1.
I bid A$3 on RoJ Fragment #13.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:21:36 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Odo has a new Priest

I am ordaining Slakko as a Priest of the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole

Niccolo Flychuck
Founder of the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:42:15 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Odo has a new Priest

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> I am ordaining Slakko as a Priest of the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole

Interestingly, I think it's a bit late.  There is nothing in the rules
which distinguishes a Priest according to which Church they are a Priest
of.  So as soon as I became a Priest of the Church of banna, I was also a
Priest within Odo.  That probably needs fixing.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:22:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 511 Verdict

CFJ 511 has been judged FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 511
  Subject: Vulcan busting
Initiator: Rex Mundi
Submitted: 98-01-08 19:18
    Judge: /dev/joe (selected 98-01-08 20:35)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement: If P2563, Romulan invasion, passes, Rule 1 will be repealed.

Rex Mundi's Reasoning: 

P2563 states
Vulcan changes its name to the following double-quote delimited string:
"Rule 1 is repealed. "
Rule 1 states
If Vulcan's name is ever legally changed, then all instances of the string
"Vulcan" in this rule are simultaneously replaced with Vulcan's new name.
(The quotation marks in the previous sentence are delimiters only, not part
of the specified string.)
If this replacement takes place, the first sentence of R1 will change from
"Vulcan once ruled Ackanomic." to "Rule 1 is repealed. once ruled
Ackanomic." This first part of this forms a sentence, repealing Rule 1. So
the issue is whether or not this replacement takes place.
In general, it would be possible to change Vulcan's name in this way, eg to
"Klingon" or something, so we examine the final paragraph of R1 to see
whether or not it permits this change.
"This rule may not be amended, changed in any way, or repealed, or for any
reason cease to be in force, except as described in this rule."
The above replacement is described in R1.
"If this rule conflicts with any other rule, then this rule shall guide
play. No new rule may be created which, if it conflicted with this one,
would guide play instead of this one. No rule may be amended or otherwise
changed so that, if it conflicted with this one, it would guide play
instead of this one."
None of these is relevant, since no other rule is involved.
"No new rule may be created, nor any existing rule changed in any way so as
to specify any alternative definition for any of the language of this
rule."
It could be argued that changing the name to an action is a change in
definition; however, I do not believe this is the case, since the language
itself, not the definition, is being changed.
"The game state may not be altered in such a way as to cause the customary
interpretation of this rule to be changed."
Again, it is not the interpretation that is being changed, it is the rule
itself.
"This rule shall still be interpreted according to game custom, however,
and this rule shall not be interpreted so as to forbid its correct
interpretation from being established via otherwise legal CFJ proceedings."
This sentence does not prevent P2563 having its intended effect.
Since no part of R1 prevents this either, I believe that if P2563 passes,
Rule 1 will be repealed.

/dev/joe's Reasoning:

If Vulcan disbands itself before the proposal is accepted, as permitted
by rule 1, then the section of Rule 1 which would change the text "Vulcan"
to Vulcan's new name is deleted, leaving no way to make the change the
proposal is intended to cause.

I had already been considering this issue.  It does indeed look like it
works, except in the above case. I can only possibly imagine it failing
in the following ways:

1. Vulcan's name is otherwise changed before the proposal passes (unlikely)
or Vulcan disbands itself.

2. The phrase "Rule 1 is repealed. " is considered to still refer to the
name of the organization, and not an action to be performed, either because
it was added to the rule as the name of an organization, replacing another
(former) organization name, or because the context around it does not make
sense unless that string refers to the organization.

3. The initiator's mentioned reason, that changing rule 1 such that the
interpretation of that text changes from the name of an organization to
an action to be taken is prevented by the appropriate later-appearing
section.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:00:09 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : Public Auction

I bid A$5 on RoJ Fragment #13.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Duncan Richer [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, January 09, 1998 10:00 AM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	RE: acka : Public Auction
>
>On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>
>> I bid A$1.
>I bid A$3 on RoJ Fragment #13.
>
>--
>Duncan "" Richer aka
>Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
>Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:58:36 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 510 (The Gingham Wearer)

> The Gingham Wearer, who seems to be a big fan of my
> die, has been selected.

> Call For Judgment 510

I accept, noting that Malenkai's dice do seem to like me.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:30:24 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Otzma bid

80 A$ on the grave robber lot.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:22:10 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Let me in!

> > I politely ring the door chime of Vulcan Headquarters, asking to be let
in.
> > 
> > Rex Mundi.
> > 
> 
> I run over to Vulcan Headquarters from my house.  Huffing from the
> exertion, I ask Rex Mundi, "What do you want?"
> 
>                                  - Vynd
> 

I'd just like to see inside Vulcan HQ, if I may.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:22:44 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Otzma bid

I bid 80 A$ on the grave robber lot.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:21:12 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Aaronic League

> I join the organization called the Aaronic League.

I suggest that the Aaronic League accept Fortunato as a member.  Now for
this to occur, Bill the pirate king has to support this action, or it'll
take a week to happen...  I did think of setting myself up as the sole
membership-granter, but after the three of us any other cases will be more
borderline(you know, if someone's middle name is Aaron or something), and
I feel any member should have veto power.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Skinny Puppy:Addiction(Dog House Mix)
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
A loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and <occupant>

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:24:44 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka : Odo has a new Priest

> > I am ordaining Slakko as a Priest of the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole

> Interestingly, I think it's a bit late.  There is nothing in the rules
> which distinguishes a Priest according to which Church they are a Priest
> of.  So as soon as I became a Priest of the Church of banna, I was also a
> Priest within Odo.  That probably needs fixing.

I think Slakko may be right, actually...  Nothing in the Church rule
actually specifies that one is a Priest _of_ a Church, just a Priest.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Sophie B. Hawkins:Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
It's a really really big heavy universe.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:39:43 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More Otzma Auction Bidding

I hereby bid A$37 for the Otzma Card Go Fish.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:18:19 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Duel Challenge (Malenkai)

> Oh yeah, and I think this would be a good time for that Duel Challenge.
> I'd like to challenge Malenkai - the reason, I found his language
> provocative and offensive, but it appears that the discussion has calmed
> enough for us to resolve it in a fun way.  And you can list some of my
> past credits if you like, it makes for a good Challenge.

Niccolo Flychuck, Officer of the Blue Cross, Bronze Torch holder, Founder
of the Church of Odo on the Wormhole, bearer of a Badge of Many Thanks,
AckaPhysicist, Capital Swinger, Chess-Umpire and RuneMaker Emeritus,
has asked me, as eir Second, to convey unto Malenkai eir desire for
satisfaction of an affair of honour in a Duel.  It is eir opinion that some
of Malenkai's language was provocative and offensive, and the matter should
be settled on the Field of Honour.

We await the news of Malenkai's Second.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Porno For Pyros:Pets
Current Book--David Foster Wallace:Infinite Jest
I had my brain digitized.  The digit was 0.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:56:23 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:aaronic league

If fortunado wants to join its fine with me.
I fully support furtunados enterance into the aaronic league.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:10:20 -0800
From: aaron shapiro <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: subjects

Sorry bout that  only skimmed that rule  :-)

(I didn't know that was a rule, you changed it whine whine;))

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:44 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

To:   Ackanomians
From: mr cwm

By this message and in accord with R255/21 I return from vacation.

By this message and in accord with R101/3 I resign from Ackanomic.  It's
been an enormous amount of fun ... one of the few things whose reality has
surpassed expectation.  But I got a couple of books read while I was on
vacation, which is about as many as I got read the whole rest of the year,
and I found myself not at all regretting that our LAN was down the past
few days.

I'd like to thank all the Functional Officers who do so much work to make
Ackanomic fun, and I'll certainly miss all the Ackanomians who have so
much fun making Ackanomic fun. 

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:41:26 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, mr cwm wrote:

> To:   Ackanomians
> From: mr cwm
> 
> By this message and in accord with R255/21 I return from vacation.
> 
> By this message and in accord with R101/3 I resign from Ackanomic.  It's
> been an enormous amount of fun ... one of the few things whose reality has
> surpassed expectation.  But I got a couple of books read while I was on
> vacation, which is about as many as I got read the whole rest of the year,
> and I found myself not at all regretting that our LAN was down the past
> few days.
> 
> I'd like to thank all the Functional Officers who do so much work to make
> Ackanomic fun, and I'll certainly miss all the Ackanomians who have so
> much fun making Ackanomic fun. 

I would like to thank mr cwm for the efforts e has put in over the years
in Acka.  I note that e was responsible for the introduction of the
PRESENT vote into Ackanomic, and that Ackanomic is much the better off for
it.

I hereby nominate mr cwm to be inducted into the Hall of Elders.

I support the nominee (that's 1 point!)
- --
Duncan "elderiffic" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:44:43 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

> 
> I hereby nominate mr cwm to be inducted into the Hall of Elders.
> 
> I support the nominee (that's 1 point!)
> --
> Duncan "elderiffic" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 

I support this as well, and I hope that mr cwm enjoys his new-found free
time!

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:03 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

I, too, support this, and wish mr. cwm the best :)

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Vivian Norwood [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, January 09, 1998 3:45 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye
>
>
>
>> 
>> I hereby nominate mr cwm to be inducted into the Hall of Elders.
>> 
>> I support the nominee (that's 1 point!)
>> --
>> Duncan "elderiffic" Richer aka
>> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
>> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>> 
>
>I support this as well, and I hope that mr cwm enjoys his new-found free
>time!
>
>Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:39:04 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka proposal submit for comment

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, aaron shapiro wrote:

> {{[ This is a presumptious proposal. <:-)]}}
> OCEANS AND BEACHES
> {{If adopted this proposal becomes rule 860 or the next available 
> number in the 800's}}
> 
> A) BEACHES
> 1)Let a common location known as the beach exist.   The beach is a 
> desolate strip of sand  30 to 300 cat lengths in width.  It is always sunny at the 
> beach unless weather conditions are specified by other rules.  Any player may 
> go to the beach as a public action. Any player at the beach is said to be having 
> fun.

Perhaps they should be having a harfy time.

> B) OCEANS
> 1) Let a common location known as the ocean exist.  A player may not 
> go to the ocean unless e is at the beach, or as otherwise specified in part 2 of 
> this rule.  Any player entering the ocean is said to be swimming.  Any player 
> possessing the wings mutation is unable to swim. A player at the ocean may 
> not take part in any public action, [vote, bid on an auction etc...] The ocean 
> surrounds ackanomia on the sides that the gaol  touches. [as shown by the 
> official map] It is exactly that shade of blue green that oceans are, and is 
> composed almost entirely of salt water.  The ocean extends from the specified 
> edges of ackanomia to the edge of the world. [There are rumors of other lands 
> in the ocean but they are probably a heresy of the worst kind and speaking of 
> them would get you tarred and feathered.]  The ocean is prevented from 
> running over the edge of the world by a large wall of some rust proof metal that 
> closely resembles stainless steel. [ this is part of why the round earth 
> restoration league  needs such an expensive machine, the wall must meet up 
> with a groove in the hemispherical portion of the world to interlock and prevent 
> future seperation.]
> 2) Any player successfully rafting down the Ackanomian River as 
> described in rule 835/4 shall go to the ocean, bypassing the beach.  
> Upon leaving the ocean the rafting player must go to the beach to rest for 
> 1(one) day before moving to any other location.

An interesting idea.  I can't see any flaws with it, the only question is
whether it would garner enough support.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:53 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

I also support mr cwm's entry into the hall of elders and wish him all the
best. I also volunteer to take over running the portrait gallery and hall
of elders.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:49:02 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

> I hereby nominate mr cwm to be inducted into the Hall of Elders.

I support this as well.  By my count that would be 5 points.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:01:16 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

> > I hereby nominate mr cwm to be inducted into the Hall of Elders.
> 
> I support this as well.  By my count that would be 5 points.

I support it too. 6.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:21:09 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello, Good-bye

>I support it too. 6.
	And I, making it 7.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	"For there never was yey philosopher
	That could endure the toothache patiently"
	-William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing, act 5, scene 1

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:25:10 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Communication problem(Slakko)

	Slakko, every time I send you mail, I'm informed that your address
doesn't exist.  Is <[email-masked]> you address?

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	"For there never was yey philosopher
	That could endure the toothache patiently"
	-William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing, act 5, scene 1

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