Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #448
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ackanomic digest      Wednesday, January 7 1998      Volume 02 : Number 448

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:41:00 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2577

On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2577
> Ad Hoc Repeal
> Malenkai (Randy Hall)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> {{[the recent ad hoc committee has demomstrated the
> flaws of that structure.  More work for the harfers,

It has demonstrated nothing of the kind.
The Committee is running very smoothly right now.
You resigned on principle, and you don't even know what the Committee is
doing right now.

Niccolo Flychuck

> more complexity, and virtually everyone got a crack
> at the issue at hand anyway, and there is risk of
> 3 days in gaol for being selected.  Replace ad
> hoc with hearings, and remove all those problems,
> PLUS, its replaced with a well-run, reuseable structure,
> AND the size and complexity of the rules is reduced.]}}
> 
> - -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Amend rule 1080, "Ad Hoc Committees", to read:
> 
> "
> {{This rule has precedence over all rules.  All ad hoc
> committees in progress are cancelled. [this repeals rule 
> 1080]}}
> "
> 
> {{[these are sucked back into their mother rules]}}
> 
> Repeal rule 1081, "Ad Hoc Committee on the matter of Skylines"
> Repeal rule 1083, "Ad Hoc Committee on the matter of Fine Art"
> 
> Renumber Rule 1082, "Committee for the Protection, Preservation,
> and Integrity of the Arts" to 1125.  [this rule is made a hearing]   
> 
> - -----------
> 
> Amend rule 841, "Towers", to replace:
> 
> "
> to an Ad Hoc Committee on the Matter of
> Skylines, and that Ad Hoc Committee votes approval
> " 
> 
> with:
> 
> "
> to the Senate, and the Senate votes approval
> "
> ;
> 
> then replace "the Ad Hoc Committee." with "the Senate."
> 
> - -----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Amend rule 670, "Commission d'Arts", to replace
> 
> "
> an Ad Hoc Committee on the matter of Fine Art (also referred
> to as The "Commission d'Arts", or the Commission) shall be called.
> "
> 
> with:
> 
> "
> The "Comission d'Arts" (Commission) shall begin session, which
> shall last for 7 days. The Senators shall be the Comissioners,
> thus composing this body.
> "
> 
> - ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Amend Rule 1125, "Committee for the Protection, Preservation, and 
> Integrity of the Arts", as follows:
> 
> a) In the second paragraph, replace "An Ad Hoc Committee" with
> "A Hearing", then replace "This committee" with "This hearing".
> 
> b) Amend the third paragraph to read:
> 
> "
> The valid responses in a CPPIA Hearing are: "this the most inane 
> thing since the 'whatever it is we're auctioning today'", and
> "this is the hottest thing since the 'Hubert Feathers'". [Voters
> should consider the artistic merit and usefulness of the Trinket
> when making their responses.]
> "
> 
> c) Replace all occurrances of "If the CPPIA makes" with "If the
> verdict is" [in the 4th and 5th paragraphs]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of acka-voting-digest V2 #246
> *********************************
> 

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:49:50 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Observer & Player (Niccolo Flychuck)

Thank you, I'll try to avoid (Goldenmean rushes to the rules set and does
a search for wooden nickels) ;)

AARON KEESLER wrote:

> First, wow... three entities named Aaron.  Welcome, and I hope we don't
> scare you so much that you quit observing :)
>
> Second, welcome to Ackanomic, Goldenmean!  Don't take any wooden
> nickels...

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 04:19:39 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: trinket

I create the trinket the Wooden Nickel, valued at A$1.  It is well, wooden
and has a picture of Thomas Jefferson on it.  I give the Wooden Nickel to
Goldenmean.

rufus

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 03:23:54 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: trinket

I stare in terror at the wooden nickel, thumb through the rules set a couple
more times, but eventually (though I can find nothing to confirm this) turn
down the wooden nickel, as I am greatly afraid that it is the Chartreuse
Goose in disguise or some other terrible plague waiting to befall me.
Surely my mentor had my best interests at heart when he advised me to
turn down such things, right?

David Scheidt wrote:

> I create the trinket the Wooden Nickel, valued at A$1.  It is well, wooden
> and has a picture of Thomas Jefferson on it.  I give the Wooden Nickel to
> Goldenmean.
>
> rufus

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:39 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: trinket

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> I stare in terror at the wooden nickel, thumb through the rules set a couple
> more times, but eventually (though I can find nothing to confirm this) turn
> down the wooden nickel, as I am greatly afraid that it is the Chartreuse
> Goose in disguise or some other terrible plague waiting to befall me.
> Surely my mentor had my best interests at heart when he advised me to
> turn down such things, right?

Unfortunately, dear Goldenmean, you can't actually turn it down.
Trinkets are gift entities, and so people can give them without the
recipient having any choice.  "Acceptances" of trinkets are merely
courtesies having no legal meaning.

Have fun with your wooden nickel, or maybe turn it into a Hot Potato.

Yours,
Slakko
- --
Duncan "no, I'm not going to create the Hot Potato" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:33:54 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: trinket

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:

> I stare in terror at the wooden nickel, thumb through the rules set a couple
> more times, but eventually (though I can find nothing to confirm this) turn
> down the wooden nickel, as I am greatly afraid that it is the Chartreuse
> Goose in disguise or some other terrible plague waiting to befall me.
> Surely my mentor had my best interests at heart when he advised me to
> turn down such things, right?

Except you have to take it.  You can give it away, turn it into cash, give
it to the muesem, bury it, but it has to come into you possesion.  I think
this is a bug.

rufus

> 
> David Scheidt wrote:
> 
> > I create the trinket the Wooden Nickel, valued at A$1.  It is well, wooden
> > and has a picture of Thomas Jefferson on it.  I give the Wooden Nickel to
> > Goldenmean.
> >
> > rufus
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:48:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: trinket

> Except you have to take it.  You can give it away, turn it into
> cash, give it to the muesem, bury it, but it has to come into you
> possesion.  I think this is a bug.

It's not a bug. It's to minimize somewhat the amount of email the
Financier has to go through to track the game state, as well as an
(admittedly hopeless) attempt to reduce bandwidth a little.

Anyway, why would anyone want to turn down this Wooden Nickel? It's
actually worth 20 times it's apparent value!

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 06:55:58 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: potted meat and me

I request membership in SPAM.

Rufus

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:03:15 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hormel and rufus

I suggest that rufus be granted membership in SPAM.
I believe we effectively issued a sort of invite a while ago, back when we
still had the open door membership policy.  Nonetheless, it wasn't
official, so we'll go through the suggestion/acceptance/performance
sequence properly.

- --
Duncan "2 players have autosupport, 3 more non-vacationers" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 04:05:27 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: trinket

Well then, in that case, thank you kindly for the wooden nickel.  I create a
trinket entitled the wooden wallet (valued at A$5) with the following description
"A rather small wallet carved entirely out of pine.  Usefull for keeping wooden
nickels and other wooden currency in, has the nasty side effect of making your
pockets bulge out ridiculously"

David Scheidt wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Joshua Herreshoff wrote:
>
> > I stare in terror at the wooden nickel, thumb through the rules set a couple
> > more times, but eventually (though I can find nothing to confirm this) turn
> > down the wooden nickel, as I am greatly afraid that it is the Chartreuse
> > Goose in disguise or some other terrible plague waiting to befall me.
> > Surely my mentor had my best interests at heart when he advised me to
> > turn down such things, right?
>
> Except you have to take it.  You can give it away, turn it into cash, give
> it to the muesem, bury it, but it has to come into you possesion.  I think
> this is a bug.
>
> rufus
>

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 04:32:43 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Organization

I'd like to found a new organization entitled "The Razor Boomerangs"

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:07:11 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2577

Niccolo wrote:

> You resigned on principle,

Excuse me.  You have made a direct statement
above about my motivations.  Please explain 
clearly and directly how you know the truth 
of this statement, or retract it.

Just like your response to CFJ 482, just like
on the Internomic list, several people are 
getting sick of this, it is not just me.

Basically you made a blanket statement about
my motivations; I have a right to know on what
facts you base this statement, or you have
an obligation to retract it.

Malenkai
wondering how e will dodge this direct question :)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:28:36 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: SPAM...

I approve of Rufus' admittance to SPAM.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:27:35 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hormel and rufus

I support granting membership to rufus.

Balsamic Dragon

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> From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Hormel and rufus
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:03 AM
> 
> I suggest that rufus be granted membership in SPAM.
> I believe we effectively issued a sort of invite a while ago, back when
we
> still had the open door membership policy.  Nonetheless, it wasn't
> official, so we'll go through the suggestion/acceptance/performance
> sequence properly.
> 
> --
> Duncan "2 players have autosupport, 3 more non-vacationers" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Sign Kilroy!

  I remind everyone to sign the Kilroy Eligibility Contract.  Costs
nothing!

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Change Nomic!   http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~chatham/nomicfaq.html
Age is wasted on the old.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:16:08 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: actions

I perform the following actions:

I go down to the vault of the book in the library.

If I own the Chartreuse Goose then I pay A$12 to treat it to the luxury of
a trip to the movies.

I create a trinket worth A$10 called "The off-chartreuse mask" with the
description as follows, "This is the mask customarily worn by the Boy
Wonder. It so desperately wants to be chartreuse but doesn't quite manage,
it is also desperately, desperately tacky."

I suggest that SPAM changes it charter to the following:

"I. First Part of The Charter of SPAM
This is the Charter of SPAM. No other document is SPAM's charter. This
document may be modified if  at least 80% of all members of SPAM vote in
favour of a modification. If ever SPAM disbands, this Charter will
self-destruct.

II. SPAM's Goals
SPAM's goals are the following:

1) To enforce justice and eliminate Crime in a humorous way.

2) To make use of unity votes, party chess and any other advantages
available to political parties.

3) To provide a fair and just game for all, especially to make the game
accessible for new players.

III. SPAM's Methods

1) If a member of SPAM submits a CFCJ against a non-member of SPAM, then,
if SPAM has sufficient monetary funds, it will transfer to the player
submitting the CFCJ, to compensate them for the court fee, the amount paid
by the player to submit the CFCJ. 
Whenever there is an election for caped crusader SPAM shall have one member
volunteer and all members are expected to vote for em. If a member of SPAM
is caped  Crusader e is expected to have another member of SPAM as eir Boy
Wonder, if any such players wish to do so.

2) Party unity will not be enforced except for a few proposals where almost
all the party thinks a particular vote is preferential.

3) It is okay to exploit the rules to help members of SPAM but nothing
should be permanent or provide an advantage to "The ruling elite".

IV. End of Charter
This is the last part of the Charter of SPAM."

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:39:19 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 148 (The Gingham Wearer)

> CFCJ 148 has been assigned to The Gingham Wearer.

I decline judgement on this. I believe it is inappropriate for me to judge
this, as Boy Wonder.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:06:56 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: T101 found

> BTW, do we have a new treasure harfer?  I cannot assure anyone
> that those pages will stay on ITW forever, although there is a
> chance they will.

Uh, yeah...that'd be me. I'm hoping to get a (basic) page up this weekend
but no promises. I presume they will still be up there for the foreseeable
future, though, because I will need them for my page.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:00:23 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: potted meat and me

I approve of admitting rufus into SPAM.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	"For there never was yey philosopher
	That could endure the toothache patiently"
	-William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing, act 5, scene 1

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:45:13 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: auction

> I bid 3 A$ on the Runestone Fragment #6
> I bid 5 A$ on the Otzma Card.
> 
> (Why not? :)
> 
These were the high bids, so Fortunato receives the Runestone of
Jukkasjarvi Fragment #6 and the Otzma Card Tactical Retreat.
Congratulations.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:13:16 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: potted meat and me

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Towsner wrote:

> I approve of admitting rufus into SPAM.

I believe this is the last one needed.
Am I right?
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:17:21 -0800
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Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Determination

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# 1 - Call the Otzma Card Deterministically
# 2 - Randomly roll for the Otzma Card

No. of sides on every die:      2
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:   12
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:25:32 -0800
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# 10-12 - Map Shard
# 13 - Summon Tornado
# 14-16 - Untouch Me
# 17-19 - Share My Expenses
# 20-22 - Share Your Income
# 23-25 - Swinging Sale
# 26-28 - Tactical Retreat
# 29-31 - Paratroop
# 32-34 - Foul Fowl
# 35-37 - TruthSeeker
# 38-40 - Fix My Gadget
# 41-43 - Scientist for a Day
# 44-46 - Art Thief
# 47-49 - Skeleton Key
# 50-52 - Grave Robber

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:27:57 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otmza Card Deterministic Creation

I choose to create the following Otzma Cards:

1 Skeleton Key
1 Grave Robber
1 Scientist for a Day
1 Share Your Income
1 Paratroop
1 TruthSeeker

Yours,
RuneMaker (aka Otzma Guy)

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:28:17 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: any parka

> I create a trinket, value 1 A$, entitled: any parka.

And I give it to RexBank, along with 44 A$.

Oh, and if I got a fleas shaking hands, I donate it to the Museum.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:34:49 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

So the Otzma Cards created probabilisticly are:

2 Foul Fowl
2 Share Your Income
1 Go Fish
1 Grave Robber

I hereby end the Otzma Day now.

The cards created are:

3 Share Your Income
2 Foul Fowl
2 Grave Robber
1 Go Fish
1 Skeleton Key
1 Paratroop
1 Scientist for a Day
1 TruthSeeker

I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma Card.
That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
of a particular type.

Slakko
Chief Cheese

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:33:55 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: potted meat and me

> From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>

> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Towsner wrote:
> 
> > I approve of admitting rufus into SPAM.
> 
> I believe this is the last one needed.
> Am I right?

You are indeed. SPAM once again has seven members.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:39:28 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: any parka

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> > I create a trinket, value 1 A$, entitled: any parka.
> 
> And I give it to RexBank, along with 44 A$.
> 
> Oh, and if I got a fleas shaking hands, I donate it to the Museum.

I don't think you could have.  breadbox forgot to note that the Fleas
Shaking Hands bit got itself repealed earlier.  (Check - someone else
already has a Fleas Shaking Hands.)  Unless of course I created a buggy
rule...

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:43:34 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

I place a bid of three Ackadollars in each of the auctions described below.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:34 PM
> 
> 
> So the Otzma Cards created probabilisticly are:
> 
> 2 Foul Fowl
> 2 Share Your Income
> 1 Go Fish
> 1 Grave Robber
> 
> I hereby end the Otzma Day now.
> 
> The cards created are:
> 
> 3 Share Your Income
> 2 Foul Fowl
> 2 Grave Robber
> 1 Go Fish
> 1 Skeleton Key
> 1 Paratroop
> 1 Scientist for a Day
> 1 TruthSeeker
> 
> I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma Card.
> That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
> of a particular type.
> 
> Slakko
> Chief Cheese
> 
> 
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:47:20 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

> The cards created are:
> 
> 3 Share Your Income
> 2 Foul Fowl
> 2 Grave Robber
> 1 Go Fish
> 1 Skeleton Key
> 1 Paratroop
> 1 Scientist for a Day
> 1 TruthSeeker
> 
> I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma Card.
> That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
> of a particular type.

I bid A$1 in all eight of the auctions mentioned above, i.e.:

A$1 for the otzma card Share Your Income
A$1 for the otzma card Foul Fowl
A$1 for the otzma card Grave Robber
A$1 for the otzma card Go Fish
A$1 for the otzma card Skeleton Key
A$1 for the otzma card Paratroop
A$1 for the otzma card Scientist for a Day
A$1 for the otzma card TruthSeeker

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:51:34 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

>The cards created are:
>
>3 Share Your Income
>2 Foul Fowl
>2 Grave Robber
>1 Go Fish
>1 Skeleton Key
>1 Paratroop
>1 Scientist for a Day
>1 TruthSeeker
	I place bids of $A5 in each of the following auctions: all three
share your income cards, the skeleton key, the scientist for a day, and the
truth seeker.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	"For there never was yey philosopher
	That could endure the toothache patiently"
	-William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing, act 5, scene 1

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:51:46 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

> I place a bid of three Ackadollars in each of the auctions described
below.
> 
> Balsamic Dragon

Damn it. I post a message saying I bid A$1 for all of them and get this
straight back. For all the auctions where there is only one card of the
type specified I up my bid to A$5.

The Gingham Wearer.

> 
> ----------
> > From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> > To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
> > Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic
> > Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:34 PM
> > 
> > 
> > So the Otzma Cards created probabilisticly are:
> > 
> > 2 Foul Fowl
> > 2 Share Your Income
> > 1 Go Fish
> > 1 Grave Robber
> > 
> > I hereby end the Otzma Day now.
> > 
> > The cards created are:
> > 
> > 3 Share Your Income
> > 2 Foul Fowl
> > 2 Grave Robber
> > 1 Go Fish
> > 1 Skeleton Key
> > 1 Paratroop
> > 1 Scientist for a Day
> > 1 TruthSeeker
> > 
> > I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma
Card.
> > That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
> > of a particular type.
> > 
> > Slakko
> > Chief Cheese
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Duncan "" Richer aka
> > Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really
Lost!
> > Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge
University
> > 
> > 

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:57:46 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:

> I bid A$1 in all eight of the auctions mentioned above, i.e.:
> 
> A$1 for the otzma card Share Your Income
> A$1 for the otzma card Foul Fowl
> A$1 for the otzma card Grave Robber
> A$1 for the otzma card Go Fish
> A$1 for the otzma card Skeleton Key
> A$1 for the otzma card Paratroop
> A$1 for the otzma card Scientist for a Day
> A$1 for the otzma card TruthSeeker

Balsamic beat you to them all, I'm afraid.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:02:47 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Determination Part 2

Dice server wrote:

> Dice rolls requested by: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>

> # 13 - Summon Tornado

I'm not sure if this random determination had any official
weight, but if it does, it was not done as described in the rules,
AFAIK.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:14:27 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

> 	I place bids of $A5 in each of the following auctions: all three
> share your income cards, the skeleton key, the scientist for a day, and
the
> truth seeker.

Now I'm getting really annoyed. If I'm right he beat me to it by under a
minute. I up my bid for the scientist for a day card to A$10 and for the
other two cards to A$7.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:19:06 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Determination Part 2

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Malenkai wrote:

> Dice server wrote:
> 
> > Dice rolls requested by: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> 
> > # 13 - Summon Tornado
> 
> I'm not sure if this random determination had any official
> weight, but if it does, it was not done as described in the rules,
> AFAIK.

Quoting from Rule 1240.1:
c. The Probabilistic method - the RuneMaker determines the type of the new
Otzma Card by randomly selecting a type among the legal Otzma Card types.
The probability of an Otzma Card type being selected depends upon its
F-Designation. The default F-Designation is Normal. All Normal Card types
have the same probability of being selected. Cards with an F-Designation
of Rare have one third the probability as Normal Cards. Cards with the
F-Designation of Common, have three times the probability of beng
selected. 

Just because part f makes it impermissible to create Summon Tornado cards
does not mean that the type Summon Tornado is not a legal card type.

BTW, Summon Tornado is the only rare Otzma Card Type, if that was your
concern.
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:30:38 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Determination Part 2

> Just because part f makes it impermissible to create Summon Tornado cards
> does not mean that the type Summon Tornado is not a legal card type.
> 
> BTW, Summon Tornado is the only rare Otzma Card Type, if that was your
> concern.

Well, I'm wrong as usual, I suppose :-), although one could argue 
that it is in the spirit of the game to construe "legal card type" 
as the sort of card which it is legal to create.   It seems silly
to put a card into the random pool that cannot be legally 
created, IMHO.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:37:08 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> I hereby end the Otzma Day now.
> 
> The cards created are:
> 
> 3 Share Your Income
> 2 Foul Fowl
> 2 Grave Robber
> 1 Go Fish
> 1 Skeleton Key
> 1 Paratroop
> 1 Scientist for a Day
> 1 TruthSeeker
> 
> I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma Card.
> That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
> of a particular type.
> 

Correct me if I am wrong, but this means that the three highest bids for
Share your Income cards will get one, and the two highest bids on Foul
Fowl and Grave Robber?  Or is it possible to bid on, say, both of the Foul
Fowl cards seperately?

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:27:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> 
I bid A$10 on the Share yor Income  action.
I bid $A10 on the Go Fish action.
I bid A$6 on the Skeleton Key action.

rfs , whose key having the symbol typically found after the letter q in
most of the words in the English langage doesn't want to work today.  Sigh

> 
> 3 Share Your Income
> 2 Foul Fowl
> 2 Grave Robber
> 1 Go Fish
> 1 Skeleton Key
> 1 Paratroop
> 1 Scientist for a Day
> 1 TruthSeeker
> 
> I am instigating public auctions for each of these 8 types of Otzma Card.
> That is, each auction consists of all Otzma cards just created
> of a particular type.
> 
> Slakko
> Chief Cheese
> 
> 
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:45:48 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic

#transfer RexBank, Rex Mundi: 100 A$

I bid 15 A$ on the Share Your Income.
I bid 5 A$ on the Grave Robber.
I bid 15 A$ on the Go Fish.

Rex Mundi

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:31:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 508 (Slakko)

Slakko has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 508
  Subject: Phoebe and Ursula
Initiator: Goldenmean
Submitted: 98-01-07 6:52
    Judge: Slakko (selected 98-01-07 22:31)
Judgement: 

Statement:

According to the last paragraph of Rule 909/14 the last
two paragraphs of Rule 909/14 should have been repealed
when The Gingham Wearer received "Fleas Shaking Hands
#1" on Dec. 22, 1997.

Initiator's Comments:

Well, here goes my first CFJ, I figure the absolute worst
thing that can happen is that I get an opportunity to be a
crazy french-scotsman :)

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:34:01 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 148 (Fortunato)

CFCJ 148 has been reassigned to Fortunato.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgment 148
  Subject: As interesting as CFCJ 146
Initiator: else..if
Submitted: 98-01-06 15:40
    Judge: The Gingham Wearer (declined)
2nd Judge: Fortunato (selected 98-01-07 22:33)
Judgement: 

Statement:

        CnH has commited a crime.

Initiator's Reasoning:

        As seen on the main mailing list, CnH went off vacation and then
attempted to return from vacation in less than two days, which is forbidden
by Rule 255.

Suggested Penalty:

        I recommend a sentance of 100 days in the Gaol, to remind him not
to return over quickly, as well as a 100 point penalty and a 100 line
apology. Evil doers must be punished harshly to teach them a lesson.
(However if the judge is a feel-good wimpy liberal judge, perhaps a
sentance of 2 days, the minimum vacation time, would also be appropriate.)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:48 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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Rolls also sent to:
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# Player: The Gingham Wearer
# Ackanomicon determination
# based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
# 1 -15: arcane trivia
# 16-20: vile prophecies
# 21-25: inner workings
# 26-30: arcane lore
# 31-33: terrorizing pages
# 34-34: ancient artifact
# 35-36: mutation
# 37-38: dark domain
# 39-39: the secret
# 40-41: long lost treasure
# 42-43: doomsday
# 44-44: forbidden fruit
# 45-45: catastrophe
# 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
# 50-50: ancient one
# Malenkai

No. of sides on every die:     50
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> 
> #C Player: The Gingham Wearer
> #C Ackanomicon determination
> #C based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
> #C 1 -15: arcane trivia
> #C 16-20: vile prophecies
> #C 21-25: inner workings
> #C 26-30: arcane lore
> #C 31-33: terrorizing pages
> #C 34-34: ancient artifact
> #C 35-36: mutation
> #C 37-38: dark domain
> #C 39-39: the secret
> #C 40-41: long lost treasure
> #C 42-43: doomsday
> #C 44-44: forbidden fruit
> #C 45-45: catastrophe
> #C 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
> #C 50-50: ancient one
> #C Malenkai

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