Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #407
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
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ackanomic digest     Wednesday, December 10 1997     Volume 02 : Number 407

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:34:28 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Alfvaen's status

> If, as I presume, this means that the current game of Viruses cannot
> continue, then I hereby volunteer to referee another one if anyone
> happens to want to play.  Email me if you do.
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Pete Townshend:White City: A Novel
> Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
> The meek shall inherit the Earth, if that's okay with you

As sad as I am to see the current game of viruses go, I'm happy to get to
get the change to play!  Sign me up under the letter "B"

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:58:36 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Actions

> > > I am strapping my Bonus Vote Add-On to my vending machine.

> > > I am setting the price at which my vending machine vends Bonus Votes
> > > to A$2.

> > I again buy 4 bonus votes at A$2 each.  I give one each to ThinMan,
> > Vynd, and /dev/joe, pending ack.

> Sorry, Mal.  As YOU bought the bonus votes, they are immediately destroyed
> before you get around to giving them to anyone.  AFAIK.

> Nice try though.

I think this is true, but not for the reason you mean, because I don't
believe that the votes were all accepted before Malenkai bought the
second round, and anytime "Mal" has more than five, the extras are
destroyed.  I'll look into the timing on this, though.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Eagles:Those Shoes
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
I shot an arrow into the air, and it stuck.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:08:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket Creation

I hereby create a trinket called "One Teensy Mistake". Its value is
- -A$50000. Its description is: "Despite its name, this trinket is huge
and unfriendly-looking. It is also green. Very, very green."

Financier, please deduct -A$50000 from my account.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:26:01 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> I hereby create a trinket called "One Teensy Mistake". Its value is
> -A$50000. Its description is: "Despite its name, this trinket is huge
> and unfriendly-looking. It is also green. Very, very green."
> 
> Financier, please deduct -A$50000 from my account.

What happened to Rule 506?
> 
> breadbox
> 
> 
> 

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:27:40 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket

I hereby create a Trinket, with value -100000 Ackadollars, entitled
"One Really Tiny Mistake".

The description of this trinket is:  It looks like a bad haircut tastes.

I hereby gift this Trinket to Vulcan.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:29:57 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More Trinket Stuff

Now that I have A$100000, I will perform the following:

I hereby create an Organization, with the name "SCAM".

I transfer A$50000 to SCAM.

I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchases a Secret Laboratory.
I approve this action, it occurs.

That's 40 Secret Laboratories that SCAM has.

I suggest that SCAM purchase a Trade License.
I approve this action, it occurs.
I suggest that SCAM purchase a Synod Seat.
I approve this action, it occurs.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:34:49 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Public Actions

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:23:53 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ACKA: Campaign Speech

>I'm not going to say anything here.  The voters can see it for themselves.
	This is the old Roman technique? "I will not mention how horrible
my opponent has been, nor the fact that he..."?

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:26:36 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SPAM Suggested Action

>I hereby make a new suggestion.
>I suggest that SPAM abandon its open door membership policy.
>I approve this suggestion.
	I approve

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:31:05 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Suggestions

>I suggest that Pumpkin Patch Nomic accept this gift.  I approve
>this suggestion.
>
>I suggest Pumpkin Patch Nomic build a Spell Book of Chorg with
>its first Secret Lab.  I approve of this suggestion.
>
>I suggest that Pumpkin Patch Nomic build a Pyriac Frobnotzer with
>its second Secret Lab.  I approve of this suggestion.
	I don't think you can do that.  The rule says if you have a secret
lab, you may build one gadget per month, it says nothing about multiple
labs.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:36:58 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Actions

Assuming I have sufficient cash to do so, I guard the following proposals:

2442
2445
2446
2447
2448
2449
2450
2481
2482
2483

Yours,
Slakko.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:43:46 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stuff

If I have more than A$6000,
I create a trinket called "Copy of Thingy", valued at A$6000.

It has the Description "It is a gold coin. On one side it has the text of
Rule 850.  On the other it has a picture of the Museum."

I donate "Copy of Thingy" to the Museum.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:46:10 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket Stuff

I hereby create a Trinket, valued at A$-60000, called "Death to V Guys",
and with the description "It looks like a bolt of lightning hit it."
I gift it to Vulcan.

I donate A$30000 to the Round Earth Restoration Society.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:47:18 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Guarding

I hereby pay A$175 to Guard Proposal 2475.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:47:43 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fat Lady

The Fat Lady is singing.  I don't know what she is singing, but she is
definitely singing by now.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:57:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket

> I hereby create a Trinket, with value -100000 Ackadollars, entitled
> "One Really Tiny Mistake".

I seriously doubt that there is A$100000 in the Treasury.

Jeez, you really went to town, didn't you? I wasn't going to take
advantage of the mistake, but I had a feeling that if I didn't,
someone else would, and would probably make a bigger mess out of
it. Guess I was right.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:08:48 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Okay, she isn't

The fat lady ain't singin' yet.

Sorry.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:10:08 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > I hereby create a Trinket, with value -100000 Ackadollars, entitled
> > "One Really Tiny Mistake".
> 
> I seriously doubt that there is A$100000 in the Treasury.

Yes, but there is more than A-$100000 in the Treasury, and so it happens.

> 
> Jeez, you really went to town, didn't you? I wasn't going to take
> advantage of the mistake, but I had a feeling that if I didn't,
> someone else would, and would probably make a bigger mess out of
> it. Guess I was right.

Sorry.  When there is a scam to be had, someone will get it.  
If I didn't, someone else would.  In fact, I believe someone else still
can.

Yours,
Slakko
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:11:57 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Supplication

I hereby ask to be recognized by the Senate as an 

Expert in Getting Everyone Annoyed by a Scam Win.

I believe this will be sufficient penance for what I have done.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:26:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket

>>> I hereby create a Trinket, with value -100000 Ackadollars, entitled
>>> "One Really Tiny Mistake".
>> 
>> I seriously doubt that there is A$100000 in the Treasury.
> 
> Yes, but there is more than A-$100000 in the Treasury, and so it happens.

Regardless of that, Rule 505 states: "The total number of A$ shall
always be 100,000 less the combined value of all extant Trinkets and
Majiks...." And it has precedence over Rule 506.

In any case, if your creation attempt was successful, the Financier is
going to be rather busy.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:33:26 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> >>> I hereby create a Trinket, with value -100000 Ackadollars, entitled
> >>> "One Really Tiny Mistake".
> >> 
> >> I seriously doubt that there is A$100000 in the Treasury.
> > 
> > Yes, but there is more than A-$100000 in the Treasury, and so it happens.
> 
> Regardless of that, Rule 505 states: "The total number of A$ shall
> always be 100,000 less the combined value of all extant Trinkets and
> Majiks...." And it has precedence over Rule 506.

But a Trinket with negative value means that 100,000 less the combined
value of all extant Trinkets and Majiks could exceed 100,000 (after all,
you're just producing 100,000 less a negative number).

I see no conflict.

- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:56:01 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Infrequent Ackan Vol 1 Issue 3

> The Chess Page
> By Slakko
> Chess-Umpire
> The last week in Party Chess has been interesting, to say the least.
> /dev/joe has managed to have 3 distinct Plays, all of which resulted in
> captures.  However, despite this apparent lack of regard for his
> opponent's number of pieces, /dev/joe has actually had his weight reduced
> back below 100.  We at the Ackan find this curious, and asked  the
> Chess-Umpire for a reply.  His only response was "What the hell do I care?
> I just calculate the weights.  Go talk to Niccolo, or perhaps Mohammed if
> you can find him."  It goes without sayingthat this verbal abuse took
> this reporter aback somewhat, especially as it was directed at the person
> who was giving it.

There is no real mystery here.
The first reduction was due to the curious nature of the Kamikaze. The
Kamikaze is a piece which self destructs upon capturing. Thus, when it
captures it is removed, and so is its contribution to Weight, in all
aspects, material, mobility, and attecj/defense.
The second reduction is a little less obvious, but is also not much a
mystery.
First, one should note that when a Swinger is thretenting an unfirednly
piece, eir Weight gains a hostility , sometimes slightly offset by a small
loss in the mobility factor.  Thus a thretening position is cosidered to
be a better position than the resulting position once the Swinger has
acted on eir threat. Once a Swinger has acted, and captured the threteaned
piece, the demage done to the attacked Swinger's Weight usually outweighs
the small reduction in the hotility factor in the Attacking Swinger's
Weight. In this spcific instance there is another factor - /dev/joe moved
eir il-Nabi closer to the edge of the board, and given the nearly fixed
range of the il-Nabi, has compromised its mobility

Some have questioned before the wisdom of including mobility in the Weight
calculation, drawing upon their knowledge of standard chess (if such a
thing can be said to exist) where material values have are a function of
the mobility of a piece. In Party Chess, material values are approximation
agreed upon as conventions. I also believe that basing Weight mostly on
material value would encourage amassing material and would lessen the
value of actual positioning, so mobility is an important factor.

I also feel that the state of threatening someone is a more potent state
than the state of having acted on that threat. and this is reflected in
the Weight formula as well. Defensive capability is also significant,
however it does not cancel out the opponents' weight, but rather adds
Weight to the Swinger who attempt to defend eir pieces, so in relative
terms, this compensates for the opponents' hostility factor, while in
absolute terms, it rewards increased interaction between Swingers' armies

As a further, the chess editor of the Infreuqent Ackan awaits to see that
sort of interaction may occur between the MetaMorph Swinger Alfvaen and
the Tarzan's Tree House Swinger Niccolo Flychuck. This commentator
believes that currently it may not be beneficial for either one of them to
attack the other, as such attacks would merely server to strengthen
Swingers with well established positions such as the Vulcan /dev/joe.
You may also note that Alfvaen has a pawn on the board, which begs the
question fo whether he will attempt to make it to the PartyBoard center
with that pawn, the current arrangement of his other pieces suggests that
such an expedition is exactly what he may attempt. Note that il all the
history of Party Chess, no Swinger has attempted to get a pawn from the
edge of the board all the way to the center, nor have the relative
benefits of such an act been sufficiently analysed - is saving the cost of
a powerful piece worth the trip.
Flychuck, OTOH, does not appear to be interested in the board center at
this time, but rather at establishing a a position, while taking a byte
out of other Swingers' armies.

Niccolo Flychuck
Party Chess Expert

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:05:50 -0000
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: trinket

I've not a clue whether it'll work or not but here goes.

I hereby create a trinket worth -A$5396 called "Who did this, anyway?".
It looks like a human head that has been dropped from a great height,
except that its ears are pointy and it has green blood bleeding from
it.

I give my trinket "Who did this, anyway?" to Vulcan as a gift.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:46:43 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka Why not, trinket

I create a trinket worth $A-50,000.  I give this trinket to vulcan

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:39:15 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fat Lady

Slakko wrote:

> The Fat Lady is singing.  I don't know what she is singing, but she is
> definitely singing by now.

This is untrue.  From rule 667:

> The Speaker is required to announce that the Fat Lady is singing
> within a reasonable time of a winner being declared, and the 
> Fat Lady will not sing until the Speaker announces that she is
> doing so.

Also, Slakko, please be considerate of the amount of work that
Alfvaen has to do to deal with this situation, before continuing to
flood the list with a repeat of someone else's scam.

Malenkai
Fat Lady Harfer

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:50:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

> I hereby create a trinket called "One Teensy Mistake". Its value is
> -A$50000. Its description is: "Despite its name, this trinket is huge
> and unfriendly-looking. It is also green. Very, very green."

> Financier, please deduct -A$50000 from my account.

I fail to see how this could work.

Deducting -A$50000 from your account is "creating Ackadollars", right?
According to Rule 505, "Ackadollars may not be created or destroyed,
except as Trinkets are created and destroyed.  This rule has precedence
over any Rule that would create or destroy A$, except that it defers to
Rules concerning the creation and destruction of Trinkets."

So it defers to Rule 506, which says "Trinkets always have a positive,
integral value in A$: this takes precedence over all other rules."

If you can show me a Rule which takes precedence over Rule 506 that says
that Trinkets can have a negative value, then I'll believe that this
could occur.  And, if President, I will certainly declare a State of
Crisis.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dream Theatre:Falling Into Infinity
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
Be inconsistent--but don't do it all the time.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:54:00 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

> And, if President, I will certainly declare a State of
> Crisis.

I thought that was the Speaker's priv.  What do I know :-)

Also, Alfvaen, don't put alot of time into harfing this 
until everyone has got their fill.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:59:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Oh, I See

I hereby create a Trinket worth A$-1, named "ThinMan, you nincompoop!",
with the following description:

"In an attempt to fix up a bunch of public actions, in a proposal
sufficiently long that nobody read it all the way through(he could
have stuck in [[ for instance]Set ThinMan's score to the magic number]
and nobody would have noticed)until our able Rule-Harfer went to
actually implement all the changes, ThinMan has set in motion a wee bit of
a Crisis.  If only there was a President able to help the Speaker
resolve it with a State of Crisis Resolution Document!"

As a non-public action, I am throwing this Trinket at ThinMan.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dream Theatre:Falling Into Infinity
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:04:25 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

> > And, if President, I will certainly declare a State of
> > Crisis.

> I thought that was the Speaker's priv.  What do I know :-)

Yeah, I was too busy checking my(apparently not quite up-to-date)
copy of the rules in the 500's, didn't have time to check the 300's.
As soon as we have the President, I highly recommend it.

> Also, Alfvaen, don't put alot of time into harfing this 
> until everyone has got their fill.

Oh, don't worry.  I'll leave this as long as possible.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dream Theatre:Falling Into Infinity
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
Separate the men from the toys

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:10:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Resting In Peace

Alfvaen wrote:
> Okay, I've finally finished harfing the effects of Proposal 2436.  For
> the record, it resulted in the destruction of the following undead:

> fon

Heh, finally got rid of fon. :-)

fon was one of the original AWOL senators, from back in the first cycle.
At the beginning of summer, 1996, a number of players either quit playing
entirely (due to no email access in the summer) or only participated rarely.
The entire senate was AWOL during this time, but since they didn't have
anything important to do back then, the players who wanted to throw them out
of office struggled vs. those who fought for the rights of the absent. :-)
Eventually we invented vacation, and the first no dead players rule put
them on vacation, to eventually be removed from office by fall.  Then the
undead rules were written, and the AWOL players who didn't return eventually
became undeads. Some of them returned to the game at some point, or were
lost in the ZZIMSY undead scandal.  Only fon remained, and now after a full
year and a half of inactivity he is finally removed from the game.

I'll note that the idea of eventaully remove stale undeads from the game
was part of the original idea of undeads, but somebody objected and it
got removed, only to have half of Acka's undeads be lost when two (or was
it three?) consecutive Undead Harfers went the way of the Zombie Master,
joining the horde of Undead.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:07:22 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket

I trade my trinket back to the treasury, putting my money back to a
reasonable level.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:00 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Bandwagon

I create a trinket worth -10,000 A$.
This trinket is called the Bandwagon.
It is large and colorful. No matter how many people jump on it, it seems
there is always room for one more.

I create an organization called knaBxeR. I give the Bandwagon to knaBxeR,
accepting it on behalf of knaBxeR if I need to.

I then leave knaBxeR, whereupon it disbands, and the Bandwagon is
transferred to the treasury.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:20:29 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Actions

I leave Vulcan.  I mean, with all that negative equity,
too much for me :)

I join SPAM.

I support the closed membership suggestion.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:59:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wizard

I offer the office of Wizard to /dev/joe as a gift,
pending ack.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:15:19 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: New Observer

Olov Liljeborg <[email-masked]> has requested to join the
game as an Observer.  There being no impediment to my so doing, I did
so.

Let's not scare him off _right_ away...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Heart:Who Will You Run To
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:Dayworld Breakup
latchkey tapeworm swinging from puberty chocolate, pregnant with buoyancy--nj

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:20:31 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 123

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> 
> > 
> > {{[Another CSR, once again see Rule 421 for info.  This one is all my
> > doing]}}
> > 
> > In Rule 594.16, place a double quotation mark immediately before the
> > first occurance of the word They" in the last paragraph.
> > 
> > In Rule 594.15, replace the word Widget with Frobnotzer.
> > 
> > In Rule 594.1 place an open parenthesis symbol immediately before the
> > first occurance of the word which.
> > 
> 
> I object to this CSR.  It is possible that other types of Frobnotzer
> besides the Pyraic could be created later, turning this into an ambiguous
> reference.  I would not object if Widget was replaced with Pyraic
> Frobnotzer.

Grr.  No one thought it was a problem to just have Widget....

> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> 

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:35:36 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Supplication

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> 
> I hereby ask to be recognized by the Senate as an 
> 
> Expert in Getting Everyone Annoyed by a Scam Win.
> 
> I believe this will be sufficient penance for what I have done.
> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> 

Doh!  Someone remembered us!  Shucks, I was getting used to not having to
do anything...  Hrm, wonder who the other Senators are these days...

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:21:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prez

There were 18 votes cast in this presidental election --
a record.  Fortunately for Alfvaen, 11 were cast for him,
also a record.  Acka's first 3 consecutive term president.

Alfvaen
- -------
/dev/joe
Malenkai + EBS
Alfvaen
Fortunato
ThinMan
Red Barn
Rex Mundi
Niccolo Flychuck
breadbox
Vynd

K 2
- ---
Balsamic Dragon
mr cwm
else...if
K 2

Slakko
- ------
The Gingham Wearer
two-star
Slakko

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:38:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 483 Verdict

CFJ 483 has been judged TRUE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 483
  Subject: Organizational Actions
Initiator: Malenkai
Submitted: 97-12-09 21:14
    Judge: Slakko (selected 97-12-09 21:21)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:

An Organization may change its name as an Organizational Action.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

Not wanting to monopolize the names Pumpkin Patch and
Pumpkin Patch Nomic assuming someone can fix the rules so
that they can be used as nomics, I'd like to know the names
can be changed before investing in organizational powers.

My current use of these names will not conflict with
proposal 2473; the entities in that proposal will be
nameless, as far as I can tell, and may run into the
problems I presented in argument 3 of CFJ 482, but that
is another matter (that is why I tried to present all
those arguments).

Slakko's Reasoning:

First, Malenkai's Reasoning doesn't look at all like reasoning to me.
Just thought I'd let you know that.

However, let's not confuse this with the facts.

Rule 251 says:

A player may change his Ackanomic name, so long as the new name complies
with all applicable rules.

Rule 1005 says:

An Organization can attempt actions. However, the process for an
Organization to attempt an action is somewhat more complex than the same
process for players.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where an Organization is forbidden from
changing its name.  Rule 1005 seems to imply that, provided an action
is not specifically for players only and NOT for organizations, then the
organization can attempt it.  Therefore, given Rule 251 does not say that
Organizations cannot change their name, I see no reason why an
Organization may not change its name as an Organizational Action.

I hereby rule TRUE on this CFJ.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:00:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Beldin's Pants

The vote was 11-3 in favor of 'auction that precious antique'.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:46:28 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SPAM Suggested Action

I, also, again.

- -mr cwm

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, mr cwm wrote:
>
>> I, also.  (Does it matter any more?)
>
>Nup.
>
>I hereby make a new suggestion.
>I suggest that SPAM abandon its open door membership policy.
>I approve this suggestion.
>
>
>--
>Duncan "" Richer aka
>Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
>Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:52:24 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

Malenkai wrote:
> I offer the office of Wizard to /dev/joe as a gift,
> pending ack.

I accept the office of Wizard.

I wonder if Malenkai expects me to scam Acka back to sanity with it. :-)

/dev/joe

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