Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #398
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
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ackanomic digest       Sunday, December 7 1997       Volume 02 : Number 398

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:21:17 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Player (me)

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> And another new player joins the fold of Ackanomia.  A fellow named
> David Scheidt, email address [email-masked], who has chosen
> the Ackanomic name "rufus".
> 
> I have been chosen as eir mentor.
> 
> (By the way, I notice that it seems to be nothing more than game
> custom that one can only mentor one new player at a time.  Nothing
> in the Rules specifies it, though it is implied by the possibility
> of "running out" of mentors...)
> 
> 

I was under the impression that you coudl run out of mentors by having
them refuse the position, and that it was perfectly acceptable to mentor
more than one person at the same time.  Not that I've read the mentor rule
in the last half-year or so....

                                - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 08:01:54 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SPAM: Enquiries?

Two of Acka's newest citizens appear to have demonstrated attitudes which
are harmonious with the charter of SPAM.  These two are:

K 2 (who bribed Tammany on the crucial Stick the Vulcans Where They Belong
proposal)
and The Gingham Wearer (who is doing eir best to eliminate the possibility
of another Vulcan Menace proposal with 2462).

SPAM's membership policy is currently "open door".  So, if ever the two of
you are nearby, I suggest that you drop in and join the newest and most
vibrant party in the Acka political spectrum!

Current Membership:
Slakko (founder) (First Proposal 2356)
mr cwm (First Proposal 461)
Balsamic Dragon (First Proposal 2283)
Fortunato (First Proposal 2333)

Yours,
Slakko

 --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:11:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Player (me)

> (By the way, I notice that it seems to be nothing more than game
> custom that one can only mentor one new player at a time.  Nothing
> in the Rules specifies it, though it is implied by the possibility
> of "running out" of mentors...)

Hey, I just noticed that I'm not in the Mentor pool anymore. (No
wonder I haven't gotten anyone in ages.) Not sure how that happened,
but please add me in again.

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 10:32:01 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : suggest MetaMorph action - join Synod

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I suggest the following action to be taken by MetaMorph:
> > Purchase a Seat in the Synod.
> > 
> > Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> From a man who controls the Synod (or will shortly) this seems like a
> wasteful act.  Especially when RexBank is already a member of the Synod,
> so the minimum conditions for activity have been met.

Perhaps I'm looking for more options for activity. Anyway, I don't intend
to be two Delegates again.

Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> - --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 10:45:56 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : suggest MetaMorph action - join Synod

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, **Alexandre Muniz wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> > 
> > I suggest the following action to be taken by MetaMorph:
> > Purchase a Seat in the Synod.
> > 
> > Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> I denounce this suggestion, given the apparent ineligibility of our
> intended delegate by CFJ 473. I might want tohave us do this again, if
> I take a good look at the synod rule sometime and decide to give it a
> go, or if Alfvaen wants to give it a try.
> 

The appeal for CFJ 473 is immaterial, since it applies to a Game State
which no longer exists. 
I don't see the relevance of it to the Synod. A Synod Seat can be occupied
by any one of us.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:14:08 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 473 Appeal Verdict

On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> CFJ 473 has been overturned to TRUE with a penalty of 5 points
> to the original Judge.  Also note, if you don't have time to read
> the reasoning, that it is the Court's opinion that the statement
> is true wrt the current game state as well.
> 

I've read the reasoning. The Court seem to overlook the fact that the
MetaMorph Public Action when requesting the Ambassador to query the PAtch
was that it would accept the Patch as a member pending its consent, and
thus, the acceptance action was on hold until consent,  effectively a
publically known desire to join.
Anyway the procedures described by the Court to base that non-CFJ related
opinion are for Players, not for non-human entities. R1003 does describe
an admission policy which can apply to entities as well, the open
admissions policy, but MetaMorph did not have such a policy at that time,
nor does it have such a policy now. Since R1003 does not provide a
procedure for non-human entities to join Organizations, we must look at
other rules that do. Specifically R1015. R1015 only requires publically
known mutual consent between the Organization and non-human entity.
The Court is asking us to prefer Game Custom over the rules, where the
rules are very explicit about providin a different procedure for players
and a different procedure for non-human entities.
Since these are different procedures for different classes of entities,
there is also no precedence issue here.

Even the only part of R1003 which is applicable to non-human entities
memebrship does not contradict R1015, but reiterates the requirement for
publically known consent on the part of the Organization, since an open
admissions policy is just that, a standing consent.

Niccolo Flychuck
Expert on Organizations (and Institutions)
Bronze Torch Holder

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:51:49 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Chess: CHECK, /dev/joe it's your go and you're in check

On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> % b17 - c18
> T c15 - e17
> P P a20

This is a legal play.  The second move creates a CHECK, and hence the
placement is disregarded.

It actually creates TWO checks!  Both /dev/joe and Niccolo Flychuck
are currently in check.

/dev/joe thus has only one Atomic Play to make.

Current game state:

   | a| b| c| d| e| f| g| h| i| j| k| l| m| n| o| p| q| r| s| t|
   -------------------------------------------------------------
20 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
19 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |TO|  |  |  |  |TK|
   -------------------------------------------------------------
18 |  |  |S%|  |  |  |VK|  |  |  |  |VB|  |VC|  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
17 |  |  |  |  |ST|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |SE|  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
16 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |TA|  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
15 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |VM|VZ|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
14 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
13 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
12 |  |  |  |  |  |VR|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
11 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |VC|  |  |  |  |VB|  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
10 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 9 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 8 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 7 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |M%|  |  |  |  |MA|*E|  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 6 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |MK|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 5 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |*C|  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 4 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 3 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 2 |  |  |  |SK|  |  |  |  |  |  |MP|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
 1 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |*M|  |*K|  |  |
   -------------------------------------------------------------
   | a| b| c| d| e| f| g| h| i| j| k| l| m| n| o| p| q| r| s| t|

RoundCount = 20

Swinger       Type              Wt.  On-Board        Off-Board
/dev/joe  Party - Vulcan[V]   102.5 K,2B,2C,M,R,Z   D,J,O,5P,Q,2R
Niccolo   Tarzan's Tree Hs [T] 29.5    K,A,O           P,Z
Alfvaen   Party- Metamorph[M]  38.5   K,A,P,%           M,T
Red Barn  Non-Aligned [*]      31.5   K,C,E,M          2O,5P
Karma     Party - HARF [H]      0                    K,B,3P,3R
Slakko    Party - SPAM [S]     34      K,T,%           2P,*

Next Turn: Due 3 days after this message
Current Player: /dev/joe (Vulcan)

Swingpoints awarded during Slakko's Chess-Umpireship:

Date    /dev/joe  Red Barn  Karma  Slakko  Niccolo  Alfvaen
10/11      4          3               2
24/11      6          5               4                3

Next  Award: Monday 8th December.
Current NoS: 6

Total Swingpoints
20 /dev/joe
18 Red Barn
10 Karma
 6 Niccolo Flychuck
 6 Slakko
 3 Alfvaen
- --
Duncan "" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 02:56:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SPAM Enquiries?

> SPAM's membership policy is currently "open door".  So, if ever the
> two of you are nearby, I suggest that you drop in and join the newest
> and most vibrant party in the Acka political spectrum!

A political party with an open-door membership policy is a very
interesting idea.

I hereby request membership in SPAM. And so it happens.

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 04:08:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2433 accepted

> Results of Proposal 2433
> 
> 17/20 votes: Quorum achieved
> 15/19 YES votes: Proposal accepted

Hmphf. So much for *that* idea.

I mean, I got what I came for, but it didn't get me what I wanted.
What's the point in killing off an extra vote if the darn thing still
passes? What a rotten deal.

I hereby quit SPAM!

Oh yeah, and while I'm here I might as well say this now:

<math-geek-rant>

Are you people NUTS? This proposal flies in the face of the natural
order of the universe! It's an abomination! Why don't you just make a
rule saying that pi is 3?! Sure, you think one little bit of fudging
is harmless, but mark my words! This sort of thing eats away at our
moral fiber! At this rate it won't be long before we're mercilessly
rounding off fractions and ignoring any number higher than a million!
Then they'll outlaw transcendentals, banish irrationals, citizens will
run wild through the streets, DOGS and CATS living with each other
... no wait, that's somebody's else's rant ... ah, hell, I lost my
train of thought.

Anyway, I think you see my point.

</math-geek-rant>

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:51:05 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Chess: CHECK, /dev/joe it's your go and you're in check

On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> > % b17 - c18
> > T c15 - e17
> > P P a20
> 
> This is a legal play.  The second move creates a CHECK, and hence the
> placement is disregarded.
> 
> It actually creates TWO checks!  Both /dev/joe and Niccolo Flychuck
> are currently in check.

I can see why this placs me in check - I can't see how /dev is checked.
Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> /dev/joe thus has only one Atomic Play to make.
> 
> Current game state:
> 
>  | a| b| c| d| e| f| g| h| i| j| k| l| m| n| o| p| q| r| s| t|
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 20 |  |  |  |  |  ||  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 19 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |TO|  |  |  |  |TK|
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 18 |  |  |S%|  |  |  |VK|  |  |  |  |VB|  |VC|  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 17 |  |  |  |  |ST|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |SE|  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 16 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |TA|  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 15 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |VM|VZ|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 14 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 13 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 12 |  |  |  |  |  |VR|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 11 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |VC|  |  |  |  |VB|  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 10 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 9 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 8 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 7 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |M%|  |  |  |  |MA|*E|  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 6 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |MK|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 5 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |*C|  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 4 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 3 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 2 |  |  |  |SK|  |  |  |  |  |  |MP|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |*M|  |*K|  ||
>  -------------------------------------------------------------
>  | a| b| c| d| e| f| g| h| i| j| k| l| m| n| o| p| q| r| s| t|
> 
> RoundCount = 20
> 
> Swinger       Type              Wt.  On-Board        Off-Board
> /dev/joe  Party - Vulcan[V]   102.5 K,2B,2C,M,R,Z   D,J,O,5P,Q,2R
> Niccolo   Tarzan's Tree Hs [T] 29.5    K,A,O           P,Z
> Alfvaen   Party- Metamorph[M]  38.5   K,A,P,%           M,T
> Red Barn  Non-Aligned [*]      31.5   K,C,E,M          2O,5P
> Karma     Party - HARF [H]      0                  K,B,3P,3R
> Slakko    Party - SPAM [S]     34      K,T,%           2P,*
> 
> Next Turn: Due 3 days after this message
> Current Player: /dev/joe (Vulcan)
> 
> Swingpoints awarded during Slakko's Chess-Umpireship:
> 
> Date    /dev/joe  Red Barn  Karma  Slakko  Niccolo  Alfvaen
> 10/11      4          3               2
> 24/11      6          5               4                3
> 
> Next  Award: Monday 8th December.
> Current NoS: 6
> 
> Total Swingpoints
> 20 /dev/joe
> 18 Red Barn
> 10 Karma
> 6 Niccolo Flychuck
> 6 Slakko
> 3 Alfvaen
> --
> Duncan "" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 08:40:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2433 accepted

> Are you people NUTS? This proposal flies in the face of the natural
> order of the universe! It's an abomination! Why don't you just make a
> rule saying that pi is 3?! Sure, you think one little bit of fudging
> is harmless, but mark my words! This sort of thing eats away at our
> moral fiber! 

I submitted this because that Suber win thing had a paradox in it
if this did not pass, but due to all the retractions already, I
figured  submitting this was kindler and gentler and would prompt
the author to retract that proposal and fix the problem without 
another 'point out of another problem with that proposal'.  

I intented to retract this proposal when that Suber proposal came
back fixed.  Unfortunately, the Suber proposal came back with the
same divide by zero error, so I had to leave it in to prevent a cheap
PWCFJ win.

I actually agree with breadbox on this one, but not enough to allow
a cheap win to go through :-)

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:14:24 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Purchase

I wish to buy a second head mutation.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:00:01 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Oops

What do you mean I lose money when I buy an extra head!?
That's not fair.  I didn't understand that rule, no one told me about it,
and you keep changing the rules anyway!

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:05:12 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Purchase

I purchase a 300 meter tower for my home.  This will cost A$900.
The tower is a huge circular staircase, appearing to hang in open space.
Upon further investigation, it is surrounded by a huge, unbreakable, and
completely transparent wall.  The walls, unsurprisingly, are bare.  The
staircase itself is made of multi-colored stone.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:06:00 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: No fair!

I have to pay for those towers!  No one told me about that rule!  I didn't
understand it when I found it for myself!  And you keep changing the rules
anyway, so how was I supposed to know it was still in effect?!

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:07:50 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More purchases

I will buy a 180 meter extension to my tower.  This will cost A$180.
Mercifully, this is an elevator instead of stairs.  The walls however are
made of the same transparant material which covers the stairs.  The
elevator ends at a closed room.  Unlike the tower, this room is shielded
from sight in all directions by stone walls.  Inside is a circular room,
and in the exact center a green flame burns constantly.
Incidently, I rename my house "The Conditional Tower"

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:08:18 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *Sulk*

What do you mean I have to pay for the tower?  That's completely unfair.
Did anyone tell me about that rule?  No.  Did I understand that rule? No.
CAN I EVEN BE SURE FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT THAT THE RULE STILL EXISTS?????
NO!!!!!

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:14:27 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Seleya

I join the Cult of Seleya

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:37:39 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

> I purchase a 300 meter tower for my home.  This will cost A$900.
> The tower is a huge circular staircase, appearing to hang in open space.
> Upon further investigation, it is surrounded by a huge, unbreakable, and
> completely transparent wall.  The walls, unsurprisingly, are bare.  The
> staircase itself is made of multi-colored stone.

Luckily, this fails because you have insufficient funds.

We'll have to see if Malenkai(the player with the most curency)gives you
enough A$ for you to afford it.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dire Straits
Current Book--TesseractsQ
An eye for a lie, a tooth for a truth.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:39:16 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: More purchases

> I will buy a 180 meter extension to my tower.  This will cost A$180.
> Mercifully, this is an elevator instead of stairs.  The walls however are
> made of the same transparant material which covers the stairs.  The
> elevator ends at a closed room.  Unlike the tower, this room is shielded
> from sight in all directions by stone walls.  Inside is a circular room,
> and in the exact center a green flame burns constantly.

Well, since your previous tower purchase failed, I believe this fails
as well, although you _can_ afford a 180-metre tower.

> Incidently, I rename my house "The Conditional Tower"

I'm sure the Map-Harfer has noted this fact.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dire Straits
Current Book--TesseractsQ
EMERGENCY INFORMATION: How to breathe.  1.  Inhale.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:02:28 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

>Luckily, this fails because you have insufficient funds.
	Did I miscalculate?  Why don't I have sufficient funds?

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:54:55 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

> >Luckily, this fails because you have insufficient funds.

> 	Did I miscalculate?  Why don't I have sufficient funds?

Well, you had A$900 to start with, then you spent A$50 on your extra
head, so you had only A$850.  Your Tower would've cost A$900, and you
didn't have that much.

Now, it's true that you should get some money back from Rule 1129,
but unlike points, currency don't _all_ come back, with a little bonus;
you're dependent on the generosity of the wealthiest Ackanomian, and
the money doesn't come your way instantly either.  So you've still got
only A$850.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Dire Straits
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Your email has been returned due to insufficient voltage.

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 14:58:15 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More purchases

> I'm sure the Map-Harfer has noted this fact.

ROTFL.  I'm not sure why :)

Malenkai
do I owe else...if a large some of money for some reason?

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:15:51 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

>Well, you had A$900 to start with, then you spent A$50 on your extra
>head, so you had only A$850.  Your Tower would've cost A$900, and you
>didn't have that much.
>
>Now, it's true that you should get some money back from Rule 1129,
>but unlike points, currency don't _all_ come back, with a little bonus;
>you're dependent on the generosity of the wealthiest Ackanomian, and
>the money doesn't come your way instantly either.  So you've still got
>only A$850.
	The rule says that the penalty will be counteracted, and that in
addition the player will recieve money from the wealthiest player.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:40:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Uhh

I have a confession to make...

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:51:16 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Uhh

On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> I have a confession to make...
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> 

Uh oh, he isn't coming back is he?  Anyone have some MLF Bond promisories
for sale? :)

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:04:35 -1000
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

Just thought I'd put my two (Acka) bob worth in.

Rule 1129 (Crazy French-Scotsmen) states :
    (a new player )..... "may publicly complain when they lose any points or
currency. When they exercise this option, the penalty will immediately be
counteracted."

    This would seem to imply that, if the cost of a new head/tower can be
construed as a 'penalty', that it will be counteracted (ie XX's bank balance
will be returned to what is was prior to the 'penalty' )

In addition to this :

"If the penalty involved a loss of currency, the player with the most
currency (in
case of a tie, the player with the most currency whose Ackanomic name occurs
first alphabetically) must give the new player
currency, the amount of which must be positive and non-zero."

K2
CFS

:)

Towsner wrote:

> I wish to buy a second head mutation.
>
> --
> Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio
>
> -Henry Towsner
>
>         <[email-masked]>
>
>         "I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
> follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
> true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
> visionary who will never be elected."
>         -Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:17:50 -1000
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Purchase

Oops,

    XX = Towsner

So many new players; Its just not like the old days, when Acka was so small that
everyone knew everyone else..... <sigh> :)

K2
CFS

K2 wrote:

> Just thought I'd put my two (Acka) bob worth in.
>
> Rule 1129 (Crazy French-Scotsmen) states :
>     (a new player )..... "may publicly complain when they lose any points or
> currency. When they exercise this option, the penalty will immediately be
> counteracted."
>
>     This would seem to imply that, if the cost of a new head/tower can be
> construed as a 'penalty', that it will be counteracted (ie XX's bank balance
> will be returned to what is was prior to the 'penalty' )
>
> In addition to this :
>
> "If the penalty involved a loss of currency, the player with the most
> currency (in
> case of a tie, the player with the most currency whose Ackanomic name occurs
> first alphabetically) must give the new player
> currency, the amount of which must be positive and non-zero."
>
> K2
> CFS
>
> :)
>
> Towsner wrote:
>
> > I wish to buy a second head mutation.
> >
> > --
> > Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio
> >
> > -Henry Towsner
> >
> >         <[email-masked]>
> >
> >         "I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
> > follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
> > true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
> > visionary who will never be elected."
> >         -Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:00:19 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

> I am calling an Auction them Entities hearing on Beldin's Pants.

The responses are:

Auction that Precious Antique
Leave that junk in the Warehouse

Reply to vote

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:20:08 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities

>Auction that Precious Antique

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:38:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *Sulk*

> What do you mean I have to pay for the tower?  That's completely
> unfair.  Did anyone tell me about that rule?  No.  Did I understand
> that rule? No.  CAN I EVEN BE SURE FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT THAT THE
> RULE STILL EXISTS?????  NO!!!!!

Nice try, else...if, but going out and buying things will not allow
you to use the Crazy French-Scotsman rule to get your money back. See
CFJ 329 and CFJ 330.

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:54:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Spelling Exchequer

In case you've been wondering - if you wish to submit something to the
Spelling Exchequer, then just send it to me at [email-masked].
There are no special "file format" requirements. Just put something in
the subject line, or at the top, to let me know that it's a Spelling
Exchequer submission. If you want it to be Directly Forwarded, let me
know that as well, and who you want it to be sent to (e.g., the
Promoter), otherwise I'll assume you want it sent back to you
regardless.

Oh, and please put "Acka:" in the subject line.

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:17:55 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *Sulk*

>Nice try, else...if, but going out and buying things will not allow
>you to use the Crazy French-Scotsman rule to get your money back. See
>CFJ 329 and CFJ 330.
	1129 doesn't say that it has to be a penalty, mearly that it has to
be lost.  I don't have the money anymore, so I have lost it.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:08:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Snowgod's disease (was Re: Acka: Auction Them Entities)

Towsner wrote:
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:20:08 -0500
> To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
> From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
> 
> >Auction that Precious Antique

Attention all Ackans (particularly new ones):

Please pay attention to where your e-mail is going.

In particular, try to avoid using the "group reply" or "reply to
all recipients" option for sending replies to Acka mail.  Mail on
most Acka lists already has reply-to set to the list, and the -priv
lists (like Malenkai's message was sent through) have reply-to set
to the sender of the original message, intentionally, since all 30-odd
of us don't want to see all your individual votes -- we get enough
e-mail from Ackanomic as it is.

Publicly sending mail intended to be private has become known as
snowgod's disease, after a former player who was known to do this,
as well as sometimes inexplicably send mail to the wrong address.
At least once he exposed a scam by sending e-mail intended for his
fellow scamsters to the main list instead.

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:04:49 -0000
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SPAM: Enquiries?

> Two of Acka's newest citizens appear to have demonstrated attitudes
which
> are harmonious with the charter of SPAM.  These two are:
> 
> K 2 (who bribed Tammany on the crucial Stick the Vulcans Where They
Belong
> proposal)
> and The Gingham Wearer (who is doing eir best to eliminate the
possibility
> of another Vulcan Menace proposal with 2462).
> 
> SPAM's membership policy is currently "open door".  So, if ever the
two of
> you are nearby, I suggest that you drop in and join the newest and
most
> vibrant party in the Acka political spectrum!
> 
> Current Membership:
> Slakko (founder) (First Proposal 2356)
> mr cwm (First Proposal 461)
> Balsamic Dragon (First Proposal 2283)
> Fortunato (First Proposal 2333)

I was considering joining Harf and may even have sent a message
requesting membership, I can't remember. If I did then I cancel that
request. After Slakko's invitation how could anyone refuse? I hereby
request membership to SPAM. So let it be written, so let it be done.

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:45:08 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: *Sulk*

> >Nice try, else...if, but going out and buying things will not allow
> >you to use the Crazy French-Scotsman rule to get your money back. See
> >CFJ 329 and CFJ 330.

> 	1129 doesn't say that it has to be a penalty, mearly that it has to
> be lost.  I don't have the money anymore, so I have lost it.

Nonetheless, in the next paragraph it is referred to as a "penalty", so I
think it would need to be a penalty, just a loss.  But feel free to
submit a CFJ if you feel strongly...as Financier, I'm afraid I'm going to
harf it as if Rule 1129 was not successfully applied.  So Malenkai, you
don't need to give else...if any money after all.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Church:Gold Afternoon Fix
Current Book--TesseractsQ
"Please flabellate only after the sound of the corroboree."  --Scott Ellis

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:07:56 -0500
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *Sulk*

>Nonetheless, in the next paragraph it is referred to as a "penalty", so I
>think it would need to be a penalty, just a loss.  But feel free to
	You're right.  Never mind, I'll drop the issue.

- --
Omnium pro iure, ius pro omnio

- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	"I think the true test of a genius is the ability to see the
follies of one's own times.  The ability to change one's own times is the
true test of a leader.  And the ability to do both is the true test of a
visionary who will never be elected."
	-Marilyn vos Savant

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 21:52:10 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 481 (else...if)

CFJ 481 has been assigned to else...if

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 481
  Subject: Paying for extra heads
Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
Submitted: 97-12-07 18:51
    Judge: else...if (selected 97-12-07 21:52)
Judgement: 

Statement:

else...if received A$50 from the treasury an infinitesimal amount of
time after complaining about having to pay for an extra head.

The Gingham Wearer's Reasoning:

[none]

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 21:54:45 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prez

The following have volunteered for the office of president.
Reply to vote; the election lasts for 3 days:

Alfvaen
K 2
Slakko

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:00:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Prez

> The following have volunteered for the office of president.
> Reply to vote; the election lasts for 3 days:
> 
> Alfvaen
> K 2
> Slakko

All right; we probably don't have time to run a debate, so I want to
see the newcomers campaign a little bit.

breadbox

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