Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #392
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ackanomic digest      Wednesday, December 3 1997      Volume 02 : Number 392

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:39:44 -0800
From: Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : MetaMorph public action - query the Patch again

Uri Bruck wrote:

> MetaMorph will accept Pumpkin Patch as a member of MetaMorph pending the
> consent of the Pumpkin Patch.
> 

I support this action.

> I also propose the following Public Action:
> Purchase a Trade License.
>

I support this as well.
 
**two-star

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:11:14 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Subers?

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> Personally, I think we should call them Fortunatos.  Anybody with me on
> this?
> 

You betcha!  While we're on the subject, I always thought that we should
name the part of Acka we all live in Vyndopolis.

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:44:32 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Subers?

You've already got an entire level of the Monolith devoted just to
you... what more could you possibly need? :)

>----------
>From: 	John Frederic Mc Coy[SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, December 03, 1997 11:11 AM
>To: 	[email-masked]'
>Subject: 	RE: Acka: Subers?
>
>
>
>On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think we should call them Fortunatos.  Anybody with me on
>> this?
>> 
>
>You betcha!  While we're on the subject, I always thought that we should
>name the part of Acka we all live in Vyndopolis.
>
>                                  - Vynd
>
>[email-masked]
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:51:39 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Subers?

> Personally, I think we should call them Fortunatos.  Anybody with me
> on
> this?
> 
Too literary.  Fortunachos, perhaps?  :)

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:52:04 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka : MetaMorph public action - query the Patch again

> Uri Bruck wrote:

> > MetaMorph will accept Pumpkin Patch as a member of MetaMorph pending the
> > consent of the Pumpkin Patch.

> I support this action.

> > I also propose the following Public Action:
> > Purchase a Trade License.

> I support this as well.

Okay, these actions occur, then.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Madness:One Step Beyond
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Might as well go for a soda, nobody hurts, nobody cries.

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:53:20 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Subers?

> You betcha!  While we're on the subject, I always thought that we
> should
> name the part of Acka we all live in Vyndopolis.
> 
Hey, cool!  Can we call the collective ruleset the ThinManomicon?

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:01:23 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Not Subscribed

> > Perhaps our Postmaster can confirm this, but as far as I can tell,
> > Michael Wren is not subscribed to any Ackanomic mailing lists at the
> > moment.  I'm not sure if e can be revived from the game summarily for
> > this, or if we'd have to go through a CFCJ or R257 thing, but I thought
> > I'd bring it up, since e just recently became an active player.

> I thought the only thing that happened was that e has committed a Crime by
> doing so.  There's nothing to stop him rejoining AFAIK.

Well, SPAMsters, get on it!  And hey, shouldn't you reimburse Slakko for
his court costs?  Isn't that in your Charter(admittedly, not a legally
binding document, but still...)?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Madness:Wings of A Dove(A Celebratory Song)
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Corruption is inevitable.  The trick is giving it direction.

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:01:23 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Laser Envy

I point my Jukkasjarvi Mind Control Laser at Robert Sevin.

I name Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment 21.

I press the 'Push Me' button.

I remark that it is a good thing I didn't _push_ the misleadingly
named 'Push Me' button, as who knows what might then have happened.

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:08:33 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Damn, I Forgot

I think it's time for me to start trying to harf Runestone of Jukkasjarvi
fragments as individual entities, because I keep missing them.  I recall
the temporary destruction of two of them when /dev/joe chewed the Anti-
Gumball, and I just realized that in the thread where Cycle 16 ended, I
forgot to take them into account for determining each player's Total
Wealth...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Madness:Wings of A Dove(A Celebratory Song)
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Reluctant to find he's stuck in the 90's again...

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:17:13 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Not Subscribed

> Well, SPAMsters, get on it!  And hey, shouldn't you reimburse Slakko for
> his court costs?  Isn't that in your Charter(admittedly, not a legally
> binding document, but still...)?
> 
You're probably right, 

I hereby transfer 100 $A to the coffers of SPAM

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:19:15 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : MetaMorph public action - query the Patch again

> > > MetaMorph will accept Pumpkin Patch as a member of MetaMorph pending
the
> > > consent of the Pumpkin Patch.
> 
> > I support this action.
> 
> > > I also propose the following Public Action:
> > > Purchase a Trade License.
> 
> > I support this as well.
> 
> Okay, these actions occur, then.
> 

As your new Ambassador, I will convey the proposal of MetaMorph to the
Patch (just as soon as I get on the mailing list.)

Hey breadbox?  Can you put me on the InterNomic mailing list?

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:26:49 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Being Saucy

Either "August 17" or "August 28".

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Madness:Wings of A Dove(A Celebratory Song)
Current Book--TesseractsQ
Bowling with a brick.  It's a bad idea.

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:32:05 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Being Saucy

Alfvaen wrote:

> Either "August 17" or "August 28".
> 
Huh?  Either my brother's birthday or mine?  What?

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:59:12 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Being Saucy

> Alfvaen wrote:

> > Either "August 17" or "August 28".

> Huh?  Either my brother's birthday or mine?  What?

As a public action, I smile mysteriously.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Spike Jones:Cocktails For Two
Current Book--TesseractsQ
And silence hung in the air like fruitcake.  --Steven Vann

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:53:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Not Subscribed

> Perhaps our Postmaster can confirm this, but as far as I can tell,
> Michael Wren is not subscribed to any Ackanomic mailing lists at the
> moment.  I'm not sure if e can be revived from the game summarily
> for this, or if we'd have to go through a CFCJ or R257 thing, but I
> thought I'd bring it up, since e just recently became an active
> player.

I have been in communication with Michael Wren. Apparently his ISP
was not prepared for the sudden increase in email volume and he was
forced to unsubscribe. He is currently looking into his options.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:32:25 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Not Subscribed

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> I have been in communication with Michael Wren. Apparently his ISP
> was not prepared for the sudden increase in email volume and he was
> forced to unsubscribe. He is currently looking into his options.

Is there any volume difference between the main list and the digest
version?  If so, how much?

Besides, provided he keeps his mailbox clean, I can't see why his ISP
should be so mad.  It's not like we're sending terabytes down the lines.
Does anybody know exactly how much gizz we're sending per day on average?
- --
Duncan "expert in alt.folklore.urban wasting gizz" Richer aka
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:57:00 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Being Saucy

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Either "August 17" or "August 28".
> 
                    That ^^^^^^^^^  is my birthday.  Whats so saucy about
it?

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:13:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eulogy for a Widget

Ah, the Widget of Yendor. It was the first rule I created. (Until just
recently, it was the only rule I created.)

snowgod (aka Mr. Lunatic Fringe) was the only person to put it to
use. He frobbed it six days after submitting two goofy proposals that
were obviously going to fail - in fact, one of them was submitted with
a note specifically indicating that he was trying to lower his score.
I don't know if he actually had some trickery in mind or if he was
just being silly. In any case, it backfired on him, because one of
them actually passed; that was Proposal 1743, aka the Alien Abduction
rule.

When he decided to pass it on to someone else, I took it. I was
thinking of waiting for the next cycle, and then after the scores had
been reset I would, for a change, actually try to play for points.
However, soon after that happened we had our summer crises, and I
wound up being the Promoter and Tabulator. This made it too hard to
play for points fairly - not only did I have privileged information to
anti-vote almost perfectly, but I could easily control the timing of
when voting results were released. And so it went.

	Widget of Yendor, you're decodified.
	Waiting in vain for a score you could shield,
	Tweaked you lay languishing by my side--
	Frobbed only once and now only repealed.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:52:30 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : G&C proposal

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > In accordacne with section V or R1250.1 "Games and Contests" I am
> > proposing
> > that the following game be added to the G&C Rule Suite
> > 
> > G&C proposal
> > Nabi Chess
> 
> This does not specify whether captures are as in shogi or as in chess.
> While for most pieces you have not given a placement option, the existence
> of such for Jesters and Archers indicates that it is not impossible to
> believe these could be permanent paratroops.  I believe this should be
> made clear.

The description of both Jester and Archer says very clearly that each
Jester and each Archer can Placed exactly once. How is that unclear?

> 
> Therefore at this stage I feel I cannot heartily endorse this event or
> product. (Should we add "The Simpsons" to the Literatue List if it isn't
> already there?)
> --
> Duncan "this is an arm, drawn by nobody.  It is worth nothing" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:57:14 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Vol 1, No 2

Excellent Party Chess Commentary. I do have a couple of comments of my
own.

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> play:
> 1. /dev/joe is still taking the Vulcan pieces to greater heights, passing
> a weight of 100 a couple of turns ago, and reaching what is believed to be
> an all-time high of 102.5 with his last move.  Will this spark a combined

This would an all time high for the current Weight formula. 

> counter-attack from the other players, or will e be allowed to continue
> his long-time domination of Party Chess? Wait and see

Niccolo Flychuck
Party Chess Expert

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:58:58 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : G&C proposal - retraction

I'm retracting  my G&C proposal. I'll resubmit it soon (last time I said
that it took me several months to dig it up. I won't wait as long now)

Niccolo Flychuck

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Slakko wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> > 
> > > In accordacne with section V or R1250.1 "Games and Contests" I am
> > > proposing that the following game be added to the G&C Rule Suite
> > > 
> > > G&C proposal
> > > Nabi Chess
> > 
> > This doesnot specify whether captures are as in shogi or as in chess.
> > While for most pieces you have not given a placement option, the existence
> > of such for Jesters and Archers indicates that it is not impossible to
> > believe these could be permanent paratroops.  I believe this should be
> > made clear.
> > 
> > Therefore at this stage I feel I cannot heartily endorse this event or
> > product.
> 
> It has some other problems as well, including that it is legal for a
> player to make a move that causes his king to become or remain in check.
> Surely Niccolo meant "illegal".  A couple sentences are missing enough
> words that they just barely make sense, the most notable being the one
> describing the pawn move after it has crossed the equator.
> 
> I also do not approve this game, but Niccolo, please clean up these
> problems and let the spelling exchequer have a shot at it, and then
> resubmit this game, which looks like a fine concept under the assorted
> minor errors.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 11:51:26 -1000
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Not Subscribed

 Since my induction 'in to the fold' (25 Nov. '97) I have:
    received 538 Ackranomic related messages
    totalling 1306 kb

thus:    1306/9 = 145 kb/day on average over the past 9 days.

Perhaps we could have a Ackranomic statistician to provide superfluous
irrelevancies such as this? :)

K2

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:
>
> > I have been in communication with Michael Wren. Apparently his ISP
> > was not prepared for the sudden increase in email volume and he was
> > forced to unsubscribe. He is currently looking into his options.
>
> Is there any volume difference between the main list and the digest
> version?  If so, how much?
>
> Besides, provided he keeps his mailbox clean, I can't see why his ISP
> should be so mad.  It's not like we're sending terabytes down the lines.
> Does anybody know exactly how much gizz we're sending per day on average?
> --
> Duncan "expert in alt.folklore.urban wasting gizz" Richer aka
> Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:04:21 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gizz

> It's not like we're sending terabytes down the lines.
> Does anybody know exactly how much gizz we're sending 
> per day on average?

Well, these figures are not exact, but are within a reasonable error
tolerance.  For November, we were below are average of 54.5 messages
per day, but so far in December we are creeping above it.  I've
received about .4 meg of Acka e-mail in the last 3 days; add e-mail
from other sources, and I can see how an ISP with a .5 meg quota 
could cause problems.  We still have a ways to go to reach the staggering
figure of 96 messages/day *average* for Jan 97, though :-)

The following figures are for Acka mail I've received since the
beginning of the game.  The first column is month, the second is
messages received in that month, the next is messages per day,
and the final column is megabytes of Acka mail, including headers,
received that month.

You asked :)
Malenkai
- -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
12/97     205   68.3    0.41
11/97    1254   41.8    2.69
10/97     517   16.7    1.16
 9/97    1376   45.9    3.19
 8/97    1536   49.5    3.32
 7/97    1874   60.4    4.73
 6/97    2522   84.1    6.05
 5/97    1200   38.7    2.78
 4/97    2072   69.1    2.25
 3/97    2203   71.1    4.71
 2/97    1875   67.0    3.94
 1/97    2976   96.0    6.59
12/96    1934   62.4    4.44
11/96    1249   41.6    2.96
10/96    1904   61.4    4.35
 9/96    2448   81.6    5.88
 8/96    1520   49.0    3.58
 7/96    1943   62.7    4.98
 6/96    1544   51.5    3.72
 5/96    1184   38.2    2.90
 4/96    1471   49.0    3.68
 3/96    1403   45.3    2.71
 2/96     703   24.2    1.20
 1/96     283   28.3    0.46
        -----   ----    ----
        37196   54.5   82.68

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 23:18:50 -0500
From: "Michael James" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka :re yorl

> I am declaring this game moribund.  The game will terminate
> unless 2 or more of its players object within the next 3 days.

Karma sez' : barkeep i object , i object, the plot is  thickening. 
> 
> I'm just curious if people are interested in continuing 
> the game.  I don't really mind doing it, but it seems the
> play period should be increased then, say to 6 days

>>>>> (Karma) this sounds like a reasonable offer in lew of the sudden
flood of action in acka.
 
(I can
> do this, BTW, informally anyway).  Most people are falling
> asleep with the current 4 day period, so either there is 
> not enough time or interest; here is where we decide.
> 
> Malenkai
> 

I must admit that things are realy dragging lately.  I won't object unless
someone else does.  I'm not sure if a longer play period would help, I
think the problem is that after the story has been going on for this long,
a lot of people are more or less losing interest.  We're also probably all
down to our last, few, difficult to use cards, so that we're having
trouble thinking of anything to write (I know I am).

If I were to make changes in how YORL was played, I think I might actually
try much shorter story segments, no more than a paragraph or two.  It
would make it easier for the players, although the quality ofthe story
would decline somewhat as we tried to cram cards in as best we can.

(karma) >>>> yes i think the story would decline more so than the present,
state in which it is declining.  I actually think the segments should be
longer alowing for a more , descriptive, turn and allowing other players to
have more material to use as a padding to keep the consistency of 'the same
story" , and also allowing more of a "Collective Creation" which in
retrospect would enhance players interest in the plot. 

The
most serious problem I could see with this is that it might make
interrupts difficult, so perhaps some sort of limitation on how many
consecutive plays one could make would also be in order.

(karma) i have to disagree, if one player has many things to write , i
think it should continue until the last cards are on the table and another
player 's winning instinct will kick in and say "hey" i better interrupt or
this bard's going to conclude this tale, and take the ale.

Karma (hoping these opinions and comments won't come back to 'im)

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