Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #377
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ackanomic digest       Monday, November 24 1997       Volume 02 : Number 377

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:10:38 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2377 accepted

Having proposed and reproposed it, a couple of times due to objections,
and theu to typos - it seemed I neglected to repeal Institutions, which
stands now as an empty useless rule.

Niccolo Flychcuk

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Results of Proposal 2377
> 
> 11/14 votes: Quorum achieved
> 8/11 YES votes: Proposal accepted
> 
>   YES:
> Niccolo Flychuck    (MetaMorph)
> ThinMan             (Vulcan)
> Fortunato           (SPAM)
> Balsamic Dragon     (SPAM)
> /dev/joe            (Vulcan)
> Vynd                (Vulcan)
> Alfvaen             (MetaMorph)
> Tammany                                 [Niccolo Flychuck bribed Tammany A$25]
> 
>   NO:
> Malenkai            (Vulcan)
> Slakko              (SPAM)
> Rex Mundi
> 
>   PRESENT:
> breadbox
> 
>   ABSTAINED:
> mr cwm              (SPAM)
> Red Barn
> two-star            (MetaMorph)
> 
>   VACATIONING:
> norpan
> Archie Leach
> Calvin N Hobbes     (Harf)
> 
>   PENDING:
> Michael Wren
> 
> > Proposal 2377 - Sun 16 Nov 1997 20:05:48
> > Institution Decomposition
> > Niccolo Flychuck (Uri Bruck)
> > 
> >    {{[ As last time it seemed my vote was missing to pass this, I'm 
> >      resubmitting this. It is, as a mentioned before ,a milder version of
> >      Antidisestablishmentarianism. This is only the
> >    portion that brings Institutions into the Organizationl framework as
> >    Unique Organizations, and specifies the restrictions for Unique
> >    Organizations]}}
> >    
> >    A proposal to do the following:
> >    
> >    I.
> >    Append a new section to R1003 "Organization" which contains the
> >    following text:
> >    "When an Organization is called on to vote, it has 7 days to conduct
> >    and publically report the results of the vote, and how each member
> >    voted, unless the rules call for a different amount of time. If
> >    everyone who is elligible to cast a vote in a given has done so, the
> >    restults may be anounced before the voting period ends. For the
> >    purposes of this rule, the composition of an Organization is taken to
> >    be its composition at the end of any voting or decision period. Acting
> >    members are consdered to be members in place of the members they are
> >    acting for.
> >    
> >    "
> >    
> >    II.
> >    Append a new section to R1003 "Organization" which contains the
> >  following text:
> >    "This section takes precedence over all rules concerning Unique
> >    Organizations, and all rules concerning Organizational Powers. It is
> >    impermissible for Unique Organizations to use Organizational Powers.
> >    If a Uniquie Organization comes to own an Organizational Power, by any
> >    means, then that Organizational Power has no effect on that
> >    Organization. Unique Organization memberhsip is defined by the rules
> >    defining the Unique Organizations in question.If membership is not
> >    defined for a specific Unique Organization, then it has no members.
> >    "
> >    
> >    III.Ammend R411 "Senate" by replacing the string "an Institution" with
> >    the string "a Unique Organization"
> >    
> >    IV. Ammend R1303 "Synod" by replacing the string "an Institution" wit
> >    the string "a Unique Organization"
> >    
> >    V. Ammend R1040 "Party Hall" by replacing the string "an Institution"
> >    with the string "a Unique Organization"
> >    
> >    VI. Ammend R420.2 "Ackanomic History Guild" by replacing the string
> >    "an Institution" with the string "a Unique Organization"
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:15:41 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: GAD?

Aren't we overdue for the results of the round of Grab-a-Donkey?  I
thought the last announcement was sent out Thursday 7pm EST.

Yours,
Slakko

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:40:44 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

I hereby Retract Proposal 2391.

I'm thinking about another scheme (possibly involving Research Students),
but until such time as I have enough details I won't make another proposal
about it.

Yours,
Slakko

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"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:43:05 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka :MetaMorph action - querying the pumpkin patch

> I suggest the following action for MetaMorph:
> MetaMorph invites Pumpkin Patch Nomic to become a member of MetaMorph.
> In accordance with R419.3, once this public action occurs, the Ambassador
> should query the Internomic Liasion of the Pumpkin Patch to get their
> consent.
> 
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck

Why did I see this coming?

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:43:10 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  JEEZ!

My e-mail goes down for two days (plus the weekend is four), I come back
and there are 160 messages waiting!  It might take me a little while to
catch up folks!

What have you guys been doing?

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:45:18 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka chess

How do I unsubscribe from Party Chess?

i.e., what's the address?

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:12:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Npxn: Uhoreg Crathvaf

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va fvzcyr Ebg-13, juvpu cuenfr, lbh'yy unir abgrq, vf dhvgr ernqnoyr rira
jura rapelcgrq va vgfrys.)  Gur Fprcger bs Crathva Cbjre (na N$50 gevaxrg)
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cbfgvat bs guvf zrffntr gb fraq gb gur znva znvyvat yvfg n zrffntr jvgu n
fhowrpg fgnegvat jvgu "Npxn:" naq pbagnvavat n fgevat juvpu vf gur svefg
fngvfslvat gur bgure pbaqvgvbaf va guvf fragrapr va gur zrffntr, nzbat fhpu
zrffntrf naq fgevatf vf havdhr, naq nyfb fngvfsvrf gur erthyne rkcerffvba
#h##n-#h##n-#bb*!, jurer gur bpgbgubecf pna zngpu nal hanppragrq Ebzna-sbag
nycunorgvpny punenpgref (fhowrpg gb bgure pbaqvgvbaf zragvbarq urer), ohg gur
svefg bar naq bayl gur svefg pna zngpu n pncvgny (naq gur svefg bar zhfg, nf
jryy); sbe gubfr hasnzvyvne jvgu erthyne rkcerffvbaf (naq, vaqrrq, rira sbe
gubfr snzvyvne), gur nfgrevfx nsgre gur frpbaq 'b' vaqvpngrf gung gung 'b'
znl bpphe va gur zngpurq fgevat mreb be zber gvzrf - gung vf, gur ynfg jbeq
bs gur zngpurq fgevat zhfg raq va ng yrnfg bar 'b', ohg pna raq va nal ahzore
bs gurz.  Unir V orra qbvat gbb zhpu cebtenzzvat?
 
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:15:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 473 (Red Barn)

> Red Barn has been selected

  Right, I accept.  'kay.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgment 473
>   Subject: More than Human
> Initiator: ThinMan
> Submitted: 97-11-20 9:35
>     Judge: Red Barn (selected 97-11-20 19:30)
> Judgement: 
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Pumpkin Patch Nomic may not become a member of Metamorph.
> 
> ThinMan's Reasoning:
> 
> The principle rule applicable to this situation is rule 1015 (More Than
> Human).  Here is the relevant excerpt:
> 
>         "An Organization that has a More Than Human is allowed to have
>         non-player Entities as members, provided that said Entities are
>         capable of expressing eir consent in the public forum, or that
>         the rules allow for some method by which said Entities can
> become
>         members of Organizations."
> 
> First, I claim that neither rule 1015 nor any other rule provides a
> method for any non-player entity to become a member of any organization.
> They certainly do not provide any means by which a non-Ackanomic entity
> may become a member any organization.  Even if R1015 permits such
> entities to _be_ members of organizations, there is no means or
> provision for them to switch from being non-members to being members.
> This in itself is sufficient to indicate a verdict of true.
> 
> Second, I also claim that Pumpkin Patch Nomic is unable to express its
> consent to the public forum.  A majority or even a consensus of the
> players of that nomic might agree that they want the nomic to join
> Metamorph, and some representative could post a message to the public
> forum on their behalf.  A representative could even claim to speak for
> the Nomic.  The Nomic itself, however, is an inanimate collection of
> players, rules, customs, and current and past events; the nomic itself
> is unable to express anything.  Niccolo implied that the Patch's liaison
> to Internomic should be recognized as the voice of the Nomic, but the
> Internomic rules have no jurisdiction over Ackanomic internal affairs,
> and the Ackanomic rules in no way equate the Patch's internomic
> liaison or anyone or anything else with the Patch itself.
> 
> If Pumpkin Patch Nomic cannot express its consent to the public forum
> and the rules do not allow any method for such an entity to become a
> member of an organization, then not only can the Patch not join
> Metamorph, but Metamorph is also not empowered to have it as a member.
> 
> As an aside, I note here my belief that Ackanomic organizations are
> different with regard to expressing consent for the purposes of R1015,
> for the rules provide a specific means by which Ackanomic organizations
> may perform actions.  PPN is not an Ackanomic organization, however,
> thus those rules do not apply to it.
> 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:25:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hosed

> > By my count, Red Barn's account is A$316 lighter.
> 
> Actually, no.  Since e was already broke(in debt by A$1, actually),
> and e belongs to no organizations, by Rule 594.18 e "is deemed Weird,
> with no further effects".  So Red Barn is now Weird.

  YE-ES!

> However, if e did indeed author four non-rhyming public messages while
> Postal, then eir Postality is now extended four days longer than it
> would have been.  (Oddly enough, Red Barn's Going Postal coincides
> fairly closely with the beginning of an actual postal strike in Canada...
> Coincidence???? Or Conspiracy????)
> 
> I also note that Red Barn has not accepted my offer of 7 PFAlfvaen,
> which, given the Tornado results, I hereby retract my offer out of
> magnanimity.  I'm not sure _I_ want to own the flippin' things right
> now.

  Heh, heh.  That's for ... well, actually ... oh, I dunno.  General
anticipated animosity, I guess.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:29:13 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : That Patch/MetaMorph CFJ

Niccolo Flychuck wrote:

> The other was ThinMan's clarifying his objection due to method -
> ThinMan,
> I see your point now, but I still disagree, or rather, I disagree with
> that point as well. It is my opinion that the language in that rule is
> sufficient to enable a non-human entity which is able topublically
> express
> its consent to become a member of an Organization which posseses a
> More
> Than Human. The whole being/becoming distinction is an artificial
> construct, and I see no more support for it in the rules than for my
> own
> position.
> 
It goes almost without saying that I disagree.  Compare, for instance,
the text governing _players_ joining organizations -- depending upon
which option is exercised, rule 1003 specifically says that players
either "become" members or "join" the organization.  Indeed, the fact
that Organizations are groups of players (ignoring for the moment the
recent addition of "More Than Human") is established in the rules solely
by the fact that players can join them and/or become members of them;
beyond that all is customary English.

Niccolo is trying to have it the other way around, but it doesn't work
that way.  A legal state is not in any way required to be an
_accessable_ state, so R1015 cannot be assumed to imply that non-player
entities are empowered to _join_ Organizations.  For that matter,
R 1015 itself makes a distinction between being a member and becoming a
member.  It specifically refers to the hypothetical case that "the rules
allow for some method by which said Entities can _become_ members of
Organizations" (emphasis mine).

Or how about an analogy.  I am more than 25 years old and a citizen of
the United States.  It is therefore legal for me to be a member of the
United States House of Representatives.  I am not a member of the House,
however, and will not be until and unless I successfully follow the
procedure for becoming one.

Or how about physics: it may be physically possible for a massy object
to have a speed greater than the speed of light.  We do not currently
believe it to be possible, however, for any massy object to go from a
speed less than the speed of light to a speed greater than that of
light.

As any thermodynamicist will tell you, states are only half the picture;
the rest is made up of the pathways among the states.  The distinction
between being and becoming is not only not artificial, at is very real
and very important.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:38:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 473 (Red Barn)

> Stop right there.  You have partially missed the point.  On the one
> hand I _was_ arguing that the second part of the condition was not
> satisfied, but that is not the only import of that argument.  As I
> said in my reasoning, the rules not providing a method for non-player
> entities to join organizations is enough to make the CFJ true: R1015
> only empowers certain organizations to _have_ such members; it does not
> provide any method for such to _become_ members.  The rules provide
> no way for Pumpkin Patch Nomic to go from not being a member of
> Metamorph to being a member, regardless of whether it would be legal for
> it to _be_ a member if ever it were to join.

> Niccolo may be right about the expressing consent part, although I
> believe that the rules are open to debate on the matter.  He is
> incorrect, as I described above, that the capability to express
> consent is sufficient to enable PPN to _become_ a member of Metamorph.
> It would be sufficient to enable Metamorph to have PPN as a member,
> but that is not at all the same thing.

  Please describe; Malenkai, please put that verdict on hold.

  Note that the statement is trivially false, because it merely says
'become', not 'the rules as they are now', so a proposal could always
pass... indefinite future, you see.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:25 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-coo! 

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:37 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-foo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:03 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-hoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:52 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-moo! 

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:17 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-roo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:28 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-zoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:38 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-yoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:54:39 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-dugga-coo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:38 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-yoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:54:50 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-dugga-boo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:38 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-yoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:55:02 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-zugga-roo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:38 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-yoo!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:54:32 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 473 (Red Barn)

Red Barn:

>   Note that the statement is trivially false, because it merely says
> 'become', not 'the rules as they are now', so a proposal could always
> pass... indefinite future, you see.
> 
The rules for judgements specify that CFJ statements are _always_
to be judged according to the rules and game state at the time that
the call for judgement is made.  Surely, Red Barn, you've been around
long enough to know that.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:55:24 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-wugga-woo!

I think that's 13.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:57 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-do!

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic Main Mailing List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Wugga-lugga-boo!

Just a typical message.

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:55:53 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Rugga-lugga-foooooooo!

Just in case it wasn't

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:00:08 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: sorry

There were going to be 13 messages of that form on the mailing list
eventually, what with the rot-13 message being sent.  I just got them all
out of the way at once.  I apologise to anyone who is annoyed by the
bandwidth - you are entitled to flame me for it.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"Begone, fools, and give me the bird."
"We'd love to, but the Fox censors won't allow it."

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:01:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hosed

> In a different thread, doesn't this "in debt" assume the CFJ 471 TRUE
> thread as well?  I happen to feel very strongly that CFJ 471 should be
> judged FALSE, and in the unlikely event that it *is* judged FALSE,
> it may be that Red Barn would have more money in that thread, although
> I do not remember the details of that message...

  Hey, wow, a crisis (of sorts)!  Now, how can I escalate this?

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:25 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-do!

A somewhat less typical message.

HUllA-bUllA-do!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:28 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doo!

Here we go again.  HUllA-bUllA-doo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:35 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:32 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:38 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-doooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:43 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-doooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:40 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:46 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:49 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:55 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:52 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:09:01 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-dooooooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:09:04 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooooooo!

HUllA-bUllA-doooooooooooooo!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:12:22 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka: sorry

Slakko wrote:

> There were going to be 13 messages of that form on the mailing list
> eventually, what with the rot-13 message being sent.  I just got them
> all
> out of the way at once.  I apologise to anyone who is annoyed by the
> bandwidth - you are entitled to flame me for it.
> 
At first I was annoyed mainly because you looked like you had beaten me
to the treasure.  Then I realized that there appeared to be a flaw in
your treasure-seeking attempt.  Red Barn will be the judge.  Oh, and
I offer a similar apology for the thirteen messages of _mine_ that
you have probably all already been annoyed by.

ThinMan
Treasure Seeker

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:26:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  JEEZ!

> My e-mail goes down for two days (plus the weekend is four), I come back
> and there are 160 messages waiting!  It might take me a little while to
> catch up folks!
> 
> What have you guys been doing?

You realize, of course, that you arrived at Ackanomic just before the
start of a period of relative inactivity? 40 messages a days used to
be quite common.

breadbox
who personally had been grateful for the chance
to slowly adjust to the new jobs

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:30:56 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Aftermath

As soon as I read up on the rules for churches, I may just found it
myself :)
I accept the gift of the Prosthetic Forehead, and place it on my real
head.

>----------
>From: 	[email-masked][SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent: 	Friday, November 21, 1997 11:16 PM
>To: 	[email-masked]
>Subject: 	Acka: Aftermath
>
>
I am disbanding the Ackanomic Subgenius.  In case someone out there
>really _does_ want to found it as a Church.
>
>I am offering the "Dobbs" Prosthetic Forehead to Fortunato, in the hopes
>that he will wear it in good health.
>
>I am burying the Blarney Stone and The Smoking 'Frop' Pipe as a Treasure,
>whose map will be revealed shortly.
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
>Current Album--Savage Progress:Celebration
>Current Book--Janette Oke:Once Upon A Summer
>Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness.
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:15:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Npxn: Uhoreg Crathvaf

> ##Who do you think I am, Jesus? -- Kiran Vadada

  Please note the first recorded failure of my sig program (in practice,
that is) - and also the first recorded failure of the error-detection
that's built-in...

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The good, the bad, and the unmentionable.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:19:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 473 (Red Barn)

> >   Note that the statement is trivially false, because it merely says
> > 'become', not 'the rules as they are now', so a proposal could always
> > pass... indefinite future, you see.
> > 
> The rules for judgements specify that CFJ statements are _always_
> to be judged according to the rules and game state at the time that
> the call for judgement is made.  Surely, Red Barn, you've been around
> long enough to know that.

  ... or should have been.  No sleep.  Quite right.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
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Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
If man had been meant to fly, he would have invented airplanes.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:23:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  JEEZ!

> You realize, of course, that you arrived at Ackanomic just before the
> start of a period of relative inactivity? 40 messages a days used to
> be quite common.

  ... even considered quite slow.  And now, of course, I'm busy answering
all the mail I haven't read...

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Turn on, or I'll boot you downstairs!

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:39:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Rugga-lugga-foooooooo!

> Just in case it wasn't

  I think it was.  I meant to force players to alternate (Nim!), to
encourage a Hubert and general fuss.  But I didn't tell them, and I
don't have the nerve to run it again.  So you have found the treasure.
The map was (playing it straight, relatively):

>>>
Red Barn Treasure:
  The Red Barn Treasure shall be found by the first player who correctly
posts the ultimate answer to Harf, the Universe, and Everything (that
being the same as the name of the player who has created the harfiest
number of trinkets, namely whichever is second largest, or the largest
non-integral quantity should such exist).
Info Section:
  The Info Section contains only this sentence - but I suppose you knew
that.
<<<

  ... you may remember this treasure (if you have a better memory than
I) as having been buried around about the Quite Garish Ties.  (What
happened to my contract-substitutes, anyway?)
  At any rate, we have all at some point posted the names of various
players, and 'correctly' is, I hope, my call (since the timeframe is
unspecified) - can we just let this one go through, since it would've
been so easy to use fake text, and I'll know better next time?

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Visit rec.games.video.classic and find out about Pac-Man's contemporaries!
... OK.  So, if I can get in at all, it's via some sort of entrance...

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