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ackanomic digest      Thursday, November 20 1997      Volume 02 : Number 372

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:22 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2379

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Duncan Richer wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:
> > > If it is in the Treasury, then how come the never-sold Swinger's Offices
> > > (also in the Treasury) don't have to be listed on the Party Chess page,
> > > but this does?
> > 
> > That's two different things. A Capital Swinger's Office is only created
> > when it first purchased, it hasno existence before that.
> > Regardless its current location, it should really be destroyed.
> 
> Actually I believe the rules state it must have some kind of existence
> before that, because there are restrictions on the number that can be
> purchased, and the way it is expressed the ones yet to be purchased
> languish in the Treasury.

No. The Treasury is simply that place wher something is paid if one does
not specify any other recipient, and there are other rules where we pay to
the Treasury for the privilege of doing something.

Capital Swinger are created, that's what gives them the option of
getting those first five free pieces.

The restriction on the number is independent of the Treasury, it depends
on the number of Swinger in existence, a number which can grow simply by
creating a new Party.

Anyway, the only advantage in putting it in the Treasury is that someone
might try to get it Auctioned, and get it for a lower price than the price
set by the rule.

Niccolo Flychuck

> Therefore they do exist to some extent - whether this is enough for Party
> Chess to get annoyed about them or not is probably a bit iffy - not that
> it matters when the seat is warm.
> 
> Yours,
> Chess-Umpire Slakko
> - --
> Duncan C. Richer -- aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother -- Now Really Lost!
> Queens' College  -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory --  Cambridge University
> "... and entirely motivated by hormones.  Works for me!" --  Freakazoid!
> http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/27/Index.html <-- Imperial Nomic Game 27
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:27:41 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka :MetaMorph action - querying the pumpkin patch

I suggest the following action for MetaMorph:
MetaMorph invites Pumpkin Patch Nomic to become a member of MetaMorph.
In accordance with R419.3, once this public action occurs, the Ambassador
should query the Internomic Liasion of the Pumpkin Patch to get their
consent.

Niccolo Flychuck

(Neither Organizations nor More Than Human requires actual consent from a
non-human entity, only the ability to consent, however, it seems good form
to do it this way)

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:43:08 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : proposals 2383,2384

I like these. Adds a slightly different flavor.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2383
> Covering for King Capture
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> Amend Rule 1230.1 Section 2 Subsection D by appending the
> sentence delimited by MONARCH:
> MONARCH
> A King may not be purchased in this way.
> MONARCH
> 
> Append the following PENALTY-delimited text to Rule 1230.2:
> PENALTY
> 8. King Capture
> If a legitimate play by one Swinger (hereafter referred to as the
> "SneakThief" results in the capture of a King owned
> by another Swinger (referred to as the "Sucker"), then the following
> events shallhappen at the end of the play.
> (i) If the Sucker owns at least 20 of eir own PFBonds, then e shall
> transfer 20 such PFBonds to the SneakThief.
> (ii) If the Sucker owns less than 20 of eir own PFBonds, but more than 20
> PFBonds of all players in total, then e must choose 20 PFBonds (including
> all of eir self-PFBonds) to transfer to the SneakThief.  The transfer must
> be made within 7 days, or the Chess-Umpire will organise the transfer of
> the PFBonds, with choices between PFBonds of other players owned by the
> Sucker decided randomly.
> (iii) If the Sucker owns fewer than 20 PFBonds in total, then e must
> transfer all the PFBonds e owns to the SneakThief, and additionally pay
> the SneakThief A$5*n, where 20-n PFBonds were transferred.  If the Sucker
> has insufficient cash to perform this transaction, then all eir $A will be
> transferred to the SneakThief and the Sucker is said to have Lost Eir
> Shirt.
> (iv) A new King is created in the possession of the Sucker, and held
> off-board.
> 
> If more than one King is captured during a single play, then each Swinger
> in the role of Sucker is dealt with separately.  Delays in the performance
> of parts (i)-(iv) of the above list of events shall not prevent the
> continuation of the game of Party Chess.
> PENALTY
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2384
> Cheer on Your Swinger
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> Amend Rule 1044 by creating section 2.c as follows, delimited by SUPPORT:
> 
> SUPPORT
> If the application of Section 2a results in Swingpoints being awarded to
> at least one Party Swinger on aparticular Monday, then all other members
> of the Party of the Party Swinger who received more Swingpoints than any
> other Party Swinger (or the only Party Swinger who received Swingpoints,
> if only one received any) each receive one Swingpoint for eir support
> immediately after Swinger Swingpoints are awarded.
> SUPPORT
> 
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> 

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:15:56 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SPAM Action

I hereby approve the submitted charter for SPAM.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan C. Richer -- aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother -- Now Really Lost!
Queens' College  -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory --  Cambridge University
"... and entirely motivated by hormones.  Works for me!"   --  Freakazoid!
http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/27/Index.html <-- Imperial Nomic Game 27

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:31:12 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SPAM Action

I also approve the SPAM charter.

- --
Aaron Keesler
Adtran, Inc.
- --

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:31:58 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Tornado

[Actual results deleted]

That's amusing.  Almost all of the big winners were inactive players.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:38:08 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Tornado

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> 
> [Actual results deleted]
> 
> That's amusing.  Almost all of the big winners were inactive players.

What I thought was amusing was my dumb luck.  My hard work on the CFJ
would go to benefit someone else after the Tornado, except for the fact
that I got my own score back.

Yours serendipitously,
Slakko
- --
Duncan C. Richer -- aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother -- Now Really Lost!
Queens' College  -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory --  Cambridge University
"... and entirely motivated by hormones.  Works for me!"   --  Freakazoid!
http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/27/Index.html <-- Imperial Nomic Game 27

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:04:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka!  Acka!  Guurrgghhh...

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Never let it be said that I am a hasty person, but the evidence has
> been piling up all day. No doubt about it: Red Barn has Gone Postal.
> 
> breadbox
> Postmaster
> 
> PS: The act of Going Postal is regulated by Rule 422 (and, by
> extension, Rule 594.17).

  If only I could still do CF-S complaints...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:48:26 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SPAM Action

I, also.

- -mr cwm

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Slakko wrote:

>I hereby approve the submitted charter for SPAM.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:45:04 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe lives

Phoebe walked into The Revolving Shed today.  She said, "Sorry - I didn't
mean to come back here so soon.  'Bye," and left.

Really.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:46:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka!  Acka!  Guurrgghhh...

>> Never let it be said that I am a hasty person, but the evidence has
>> been piling up all day. No doubt about it: Red Barn has Gone Postal.
>> 
>> breadbox
>> Postmaster
>> 
>> PS: The act of Going Postal is regulated by Rule 422 (and, by
>> extension, Rule 594.17).
> 
>   If only I could still do CF-S complaints...

This message failed to meet your constraints!

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:02:38 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket Creation

I am Creating a Trinket, with a value of A$27, and the name 
"Souvenir of Anti-Science-Fiction-Show-Alien-ology", with the
following description:

A shimmering gold medal, approximately one third of a cat-height round,
and one tenth of that thick.  Inscribed on it are the names of all Players
who voted YES on both Proposals 2369 and 2372.  This Trinket updates
automagically to fill in whatever details are available.  If the results
are unknown, it is instead engraved with the message "33% of voting result
... stalled".  The above engravings are on the reverse of the medal.  On
the obverse are the portraits of all members of the Political Party
Vulcan, ringing a number 1 in the centre, with a red stripe from top left
to bottom right (the only non-gold part of the entire Trinket)
surmounting the image.

Yours,
Slakko

- --
Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost!
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
"... and entirely motivated by hormones.  Works for me!" --  Freakazoid!
http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/27/Index.html <----- Imperial Nomic 27

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:22:09 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 470 Verdict

Now that this has been judged True, the text that was added to R1230.2 by
this proposal should be removed.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> CFJ 470 has been judged TRUE.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> - -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgment 470
> Subject: Retracting
> Initiator: Slakko
> Submitted: 97-11-13 2:38
>   Judge: /dev/joe (selected 97-11-13 8:49)
> Judgement: TRUE 
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Proposal 2347 was retracted.
> 
> Slakko's Reasoning:
> 
> If the wish to commit an action is considered equivalent to an action, as
> the result of CFJ 447 clearly states, then surely stating that one "will
> retract a proposal" is just as equivalent to stating that one "is
> retracting a proposal".  Therefore Niccolo's statement that proposal 2347
> "will be retracted" should have been interpreted as him saying "I am
> retracting proposal 2347".
> 
> /dev/joe's Reasoning:
> 
> I concur with the initiator's reasoning.
> 
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> 

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:32:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 470 Verdict

> Now that this has been judged True, the text that was added to R1230.2 by
> this proposal should be removed.

Sorry ... I'm a little behind. Working on it even now.

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:48:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hosed

By my count, Red Barn's account is A$316 lighter.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:30:25 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 473 (Red Barn)

Red Barn has been selected

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 473
  Subject: More than Human
Initiator: ThinMan
Submitted: 97-11-20 9:35
    Judge: Red Barn (selected 97-11-20 19:30)
Judgement: 

Statement:

Pumpkin Patch Nomic may not become a member of Metamorph.

ThinMan's Reasoning:

The principle rule applicable to this situation is rule 1015 (More Than
Human).  Here is the relevant excerpt:

        "An Organization that has a More Than Human is allowed to have
        non-player Entities as members, provided that said Entities are
        capable of expressing eir consent in the public forum, or that
        the rules allow for some method by which said Entities can
become
        members of Organizations."

First, I claim that neither rule 1015 nor any other rule provides a
method for any non-player entity to become a member of any organization.
They certainly do not provide any means by which a non-Ackanomic entity
may become a member any organization.  Even if R1015 permits such
entities to _be_ members of organizations, there is no means or
provision for them to switch from being non-members to being members.
This in itself is sufficient to indicate a verdict of true.

Second, I also claim that Pumpkin Patch Nomic is unable to express its
consent to the public forum.  A majority or even a consensus of the
players of that nomic might agree that they want the nomic to join
Metamorph, and some representative could post a message to the public
forum on their behalf.  A representative could even claim to speak for
the Nomic.  The Nomic itself, however, is an inanimate collection of
players, rules, customs, and current and past events; the nomic itself
is unable to express anything.  Niccolo implied that the Patch's liaison
to Internomic should be recognized as the voice of the Nomic, but the
Internomic rules have no jurisdiction over Ackanomic internal affairs,
and the Ackanomic rules in no way equate the Patch's internomic
liaison or anyone or anything else with the Patch itself.

If Pumpkin Patch Nomic cannot express its consent to the public forum
and the rules do not allow any method for such an entity to become a
member of an organization, then not only can the Patch not join
Metamorph, but Metamorph is also not empowered to have it as a member.

As an aside, I note here my belief that Ackanomic organizations are
different with regard to expressing consent for the purposes of R1015,
for the rules provide a specific means by which Ackanomic organizations
may perform actions.  PPN is not an Ackanomic organization, however,
thus those rules do not apply to it.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:23:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

Alfvaen has found Phoebe.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:36:52 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Rule 257

The following players did not respond to a rule 257
query, and were awol, thus are put on vacation or
removed from the game, depending on status.

Karma actually voted and stuff after I sent the message,
but still must prolly remove himself from vacation.
 
Antimatter
Archie Leach
Calvin N Hobbes
Darth Vader
Karma
Son of Wu

Malenkai
current album - r** t*m*** s**r*ts: **n**n* t* r*st*r* *n *****s** m**n

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