Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #229
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ackanomic digest       Saturday, August 2 1997       Volume 02 : Number 229

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 23:59:34 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Let us Pray

ceremoniously spake in tongues the golden frog:

Mbtu npoui J sfqpsufe:

Sftu opx zf bodjfout pg Kbsb, gps nfuijolt, nf gfbst,
nf lopxt, uibu uif Diptfo Pof opx bqqspbdift up ejtuvsc
zpvs mfhbdz, uif pof xip tibmm dmbjn up lopx uif qbui
tp mpoh tp ijeefo, boe tibmm wjf up gsjol xjui npolfzt.

Opx, uif Diptfo Pof tujmm lopxt uif qbui, cvu ibt tuvncmfe po
b gbjmvsf gpsuz zfbst gspn opx.  Uif Diptfo Pof jt upp hsffez
gps if lopxt opu uif wbmvf pg xibu if tfflt.  Ju jt opu nfbtvsfe
jo mbnf Bdlbepmmbst.

Qfsibqt uifz xjmm gjoe uif Qbslb uifo.  Ju ibt opx cffo ijeefo gjwf
gpme, jo uif qmbdft uifz'e qspmmz ofwfs uijol up mppl.  Qfsibqt uif
Diptfo Pof ibt Diptfo opu up Dipptf.

unmiraculously treasure not of Jara shall you find
unless misdirectionally led you have been

Malenkai
BWG Priest

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 00:11:44 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Let us Pray

> b gbjmvsf gpsuz zfbst gspn opx.  Uif Diptfo Pof jt upp hsffez

Well, the Golden Frog is certainly no math whiz :).  You get the gist,
though.

Malenkai
bored

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:28:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSRs

CSR 117 passed last night at 1 am Eastern or so.  Two-star (I think)
objected to it, but he was the only one to do so.  Unfortunately, he had a
rather good point, which was that while CSR 117 makes it clear how to join
and quit the people's Council for Internomic, it doesn't help us figure
out who is currently a member.  I suppose I could fix this via another
CSR, but I wanted to ask you folks what the best way to deal with it would
be, so that I don't end up needing a third CSR, and a fourht...

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:33:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CSRs

> CSR 117 passed last night at 1 am Eastern or so.  Two-star (I think)
> objected to it, but he was the only one to do so.  Unfortunately, he had a
> rather good point, which was that while CSR 117 makes it clear how to join
> and quit the people's Council for Internomic, it doesn't help us figure
> out who is currently a member.  I suppose I could fix this via another
> CSR, but I wanted to ask you folks what the best way to deal with it would
> be, so that I don't end up needing a third CSR, and a fourht...

What is needed is probably something like "{{All players who stated
publicly that they wished to be members of PCI are members of PCI;
no other player is a member of PCI.}}"

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Nena:It's All In The Game
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
Is it true that the meteor was a dove of Amethyst?

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:20:26 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: IPs

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Subject:	Acka: IPs

The voting periods for all the IPs are over.  All of them failed.
The following players each lose 10 pts:

Alfvaen, Niccolo, MLF, Techno, ThinMan, Antimatter
Boy, never saw that coming. BIIIIIG surprise to me!
'not,
- - karma (Muppet labs we is)

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:54:41 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: re acka trade liscence

I wish to purchase a trade license for canines tattoo parlor for it is a =
legit business much like mini storage or rex bank I think it costs 20 =
A($) so I pay and its so and I hope to see it recognized as such under =
orginizations on Alvfaens new web page. BTW the page looks great, hear =
hear Alfvaen!
- - kARMA=20

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 03:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Antimatter)

>> As am I, as throughly-unofficially-acting-Financier.  Someone can
>> submit a CFJ on the matter, but why not, until then, play a thread
>> where the actions were performed as specified?
> 
> I don't think we need a CFJ unless someone feels really strongly
> about it.  We can interpret the rules ourselves once in a while :)

I agree that we don't need a CFJ, but for the opposite reason. The
message was not sent to a recognized public forum, nor was it
distributed to all of the players, so it did not happen.

Sorry to repeat myself, but I think this is a clear-cut case.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 04:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PE Page Up

> Any mistakes, grievances, suggestions, etc., let me know.

Note that Atilla the Pun is On Ice as of July 26, the expected return
date of his vacation.

And what's more, his email has just started bouncing (reason: mailbox
full). Unfortunately, I can't do anything about it until I'm the
Postmaster.

Has anyone volunteered for the Presidency? It would be wonderful if we
could get exactly one person to volunteer, so they could be instated
without going through the election process. Once we've filled the
vacant functional officer seats, they could then resign if they
wished.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:15:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: PE Page Up

> > Any mistakes, grievances, suggestions, etc., let me know.

> Note that Atilla the Pun is On Ice as of July 26, the expected return
> date of his vacation.

I've been meaning to check that.  I'll make a note of that.  Mostly because
I really like the 'on ice' graphic, and will use it at every opportunity.
:-)

> And what's more, his email has just started bouncing (reason: mailbox
> full). Unfortunately, I can't do anything about it until I'm the
> Postmaster.

> Has anyone volunteered for the Presidency? It would be wonderful if we
> could get exactly one person to volunteer, so they could be instated
> without going through the election process. Once we've filled the
> vacant functional officer seats, they could then resign if they
> wished.

I've volunteered; if elected, or otherwise instated, I will devote my
attention to filling the Functional Offices as expeditiously as possible.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Nena:It's All In The Game
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
The room was lit by the soft glow of featherlight.

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Antimatter)

> >> As am I, as throughly-unofficially-acting-Financier.  Someone can
> >> submit a CFJ on the matter, but why not, until then, play a thread
> >> where the actions were performed as specified?
> > 
> > I don't think we need a CFJ unless someone feels really strongly
> > about it.  We can interpret the rules ourselves once in a while :)
> 
> I agree that we don't need a CFJ, but for the opposite reason. The
> message was not sent to a recognized public forum, nor was it
> distributed to all of the players, so it did not happen.

Then obviously we need a CFJ.  If the case is so clear-cut that people are
convinced of their correctness on both sides of the issue, we need a CFJ.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Nena:It's All In The Game
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
By the time I have money to burn, my fire will be out.

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:17:18 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: re acka trade liscence

> I wish to purchase a trade license for canines tattoo parlor for it is
> a legit business much like mini storage or rex bank I think it costs 20
> A($) so I pay and its so and I hope to see it recognized as such under
> orginizations on Alvfaens new web page. BTW the page looks great, hear
> hear Alfvaen!

I think there's a step missing here...first, you have to declare that
"canines tattoo parlor" is an Organization.  Then it can buy a Trade
License, and I'll put it up on the PE page.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Nena:It's All In The Game
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
A signature always reveals a man's character -and sometimes even his name.

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 08:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Antimatter)

>> I agree that we don't need a CFJ, but for the opposite reason. The
>> message was not sent to a recognized public forum, nor was it
>> distributed to all of the players, so it did not happen.
> 
> Then obviously we need a CFJ.  If the case is so clear-cut that
> people are convinced of their correctness on both sides of the
> issue, we need a CFJ.

Well, the fact that not every player received the email in question is
something only I could have known; I think that that was the only
point of confusion. Certainly there is no question about what the
rules say.

breabox

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:36:38 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka : Otmza Card Auctions

> OCID 136 Guy Fakwes A$20  (the later bid by Voting Gnome was approx. 13
> hours after the deadline)

Hmmm.  In the thread where his GF Mini-storage actions succeeded, Guy
Fawkes does not have any A$.  Of course, he did when made the bid, but
actually paying it out puts him in debt, if I'm not mistaken.

Luckily, GF Mini-storage has exactly twice that amount of A$.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Replacements:Swingin' Party
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
Remember me?  I'm the one who never made any impression on you.  --Brilliant

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: re acka trade liscence

On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, jordan james wrote:

> I wish to purchase a trade license for canines tattoo parlor for it is a legit business much like mini storage or rex bank I think it costs 20 A($) so I pay and its so and I hope to see it recognized as such under orginizations on Alvfaens new web page. BTW the page looks great, hear hear Alfvaen!
> - kARMA 
> 
> 

Err.  As I try to respond to this mesage, I just now realize that it
doesn't have any line breaks.  Looks OK when I tr to read it, but it makes
quoting in a reply more or less impossible.

Anyway.  First, you have to actually start an organization, right now the
tattoo parlour is just this thing that you say exists but has no standing
under the rules.  Starting an organization is easy, you just say "I'm
founding an organization named such and such."

Once you have the organization, you have to give IT the money so that IT
can buy a Trade Liscence, you can't buy one yourself at all I don't think,
only orgs can.  Also, I believe the cost is A$50.  Finally, once the org
has the money, you have to, as a member, propose the org buy a trade
liscence, and then voice your support as a member, and then the org will
do it.  Goofy, but it makes a lot more sense when there is more than one
member to an organization.

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:55:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: If you can't beat 'em

I am requesting membership in the organization, ahem, MIGHTY organization,
known as Vulcan.

                                 - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 11:54:46 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Antimatter)

> Then obviously we need a CFJ.  If the case is so clear-cut that people are
> convinced of their correctness on both sides of the issue, we need a CFJ.

I hope you're not referring to me as believing in my "correctness on
the other side".  I tried to present the rule in question and encouraged
us to interpret it without a CFJ (because thread splits are more work
for me).  As for harfing the stuff, I had to do that in the false thread
anyway.  If anyone *disagrees* strongly enough with the interpretation
that the actions did *not* happen, then a CFJ is appropriate.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 14:29:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Prayer For Deliverance

I hereby pray for our deliverance from
the scourge of overprecipitate that might
cast our houses loose from their adhesion.

I also pray for the success of the
antityrannical movement of the Rebellion.
May the senate-resolved pollutions in our
Ruleset be expunged!  As the abortifacient
Azpiazu would have said,

Gdi bhdy bdwqnc ge, Ojtczh!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Ray Stevens:Collection
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
Poisoning pigeons on the grass alas alas

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 14:53:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Game

This may be a bad time for it, but...anyone want to get a game of something
going?  Getting the Viruses game revitalized would be ideal, but I'd be
open to something else, like another try at Mediocrity, or Fictionary, or
something like that...  I'll take votes for what kind of game, and whether
you'll play a different one, etc.(followups set to private email), and will
post the results in a little while.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Ray Stevens:Collection
Current Book--Dan Simmons:The Fall of Hyperion
Stupid == nothing to say, and a worldwide network to say it on.  --billbill

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 20:59:14 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 445 (Rex Mundi)

mr cwm declined, and it has been reassigned to Rex Mundi.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgment 445
  Subject: When is a newspaper not a newspaper
Initiator: Voting Gnome
    Judge: mr cwm (selected Aug 01, 1997, 22:51h EDT)
2nd Judge: Rex Mundi (selected Aug 02, 1997, 23:03h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

The publication known as "is not"  is not a newspaper.

Voting Gnome's Reasoning:

[none]

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 21:18:21 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Runemaker

e-mail me if you wanna run for runemaker.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 22:17:53 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 445 Verdict

CFJ 445 has been judged FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgment 445
  Subject: When is a newspaper not a newspaper
Initiator: Voting Gnome
    Judge: mr cwm (selected Aug 01, 1997, 22:51h EDT)
2nd Judge: Rex Mundi (selected Aug 02, 1997, 23:03h EDT)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

The publication known as "is not"  is not a newspaper.

Voting Gnome's Reasoning:

[none]

Rex Mundi's Reasoning:

I can see no reason for is not not to be a newspaper. It was started and
named according to the rules on newspapers, and its name is not the same as
is, so it is a newspaper. mr cwm may have committed several crimes by
publishing untruths, but that is another matter.

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