Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #211
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, July 21 1997         Volume 02 : Number 211

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:25:50 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2251

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> I was going to ask Niccolo Flychuck to start the next round in my duel
> vs. Alfvaen, and I started thinking about what would happen if we didn't
> manage to finish before I had to go on vacation.  Then I remembered that
> Alfvaen had already gone on vacation and returned once during the duel.

Didn't notice that ...

Well, you've had fun playing on anyway.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 01:07:46 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato + Aliens

Robert Sevin has found the magic potato.

Alien rolls (last week -- do to the incorrect listing of the rules,
now is as "soon as possible" for me to do last week's correctly).

647
698
249

Alien rolls (this week)

795
948
912

None are rules or all prime or the majik thing apply.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:24:26 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2246

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> > Proposal 2246
> > Internomic a la Vynd
> 
> > Ammend Section V to read in full:
> > "
> > In order to change the Attitude of Ackanomic toward any other member nomic
> > of InterNomic, a vote must be held. Each Senator has one vote, each
> > member of the People's Council for Internomic has one vote and the
> > Liaison has one vote (if the Liaison is also a Senator, or a member of
> > the People's Council for Internomic, e only gets one vote total).
> 
> Wouldn't a senator who is also a member of the PCfI get two votes?  I
> see the loophole fixed for the Liaison, but not the senator.  Is this
> the intent?
> 
> Malenkai
> 

It would be this way with the current form of Joint Assembly. The proposal
following that (Better Joint Assemblies) fixes Joint Assembly in such a
way that would make the default for this section one vote for a player
even if he is a member of both Institutions.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 04:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New acka-synod test list

[email-masked] has been created, as a sort of vanguard test
case. Members are Niccolo Flychuck, Rex Mundi, and Mr Lunatic Fringe.
Currently it is not archived, so I don't know if you want to use it
for anything serious for now. Up to you folks. Archiving will be
enabled where needed by the time the switchover becomes official.

I'm not a member of acka-synod, so let me know if any problems appear.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:12:17 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 437 (Karma)

I decline this one
- -Karma

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Malenkai [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Sunday, July 20, 1997 7:45 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Acka: CFJ 437 (Karma)

MFL declined; this has been reassigned to Karma.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

Call For Judgment 437
  Subject: Similarity II
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Mr Lunatic Fringe (declined)
    Judge: Karma (selected Jul 20, 1997, 19:44h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

It cannot be determined with finality whether the Church of Seleya is
eligible for a Seat in the Synod.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

This is not a PWCFJ, although it could easily be reworded to be.  Its
the situations, and not the wins, that I find intersting, and by making
winning *not* an outcome, the air can be cleared.  This is just for
fun.

Rule 1303, section 10b, says:

> b. A Church is not eligible for a Seat in the Synod if the total M
> Similarities with all the Churches which are members of the Synod is
> equal to or greater than 80.

CFJ 429 established that self-similarity was undefined.  This rule
establishes eligibility based on, in part, a test that involved calculation
of self-similarity.  Thus the eligibilty cannot be determined with
finality.  What than means, I'll leave to someone else to decide.

Note that none of the other churches, indeed any church, is eligible
either.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:24:53 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 439 (Karma)

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Malenkai [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Sunday, July 20, 1997 10:08 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Acka: CFJ 439 (Karma)

Karma has been selected.  I see nothing to prevent a NVP from submitting
a CFJ, I apologise for the earlier implication to the contrary.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

Call For Judgment 439
  Subject: Ambassador
Initiator: Voting Gnome
    Judge: Karma (selected Jul 20, 1997, 22:07h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

The position of Ambasador is not an Ackanomic Office.

Voting Gnome's Reasoning:  

Rule 419.1  crreates the position of Ambasador,  but does not
declare it to be a political or functional office.  Neither does it
specify any elective procedure for filling the position.  Additionally,
while Rule 419.1 (along with 419.2)  outline "duties"  of the Ambasador,
nothing is mentioned of "privileges",  which Rule 401 specifically states
is a commonality with all Offices.  Thereby,  any Player volunteering may
become the Ambasador.

I accept!
- - Karma

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New acka-synod test list

> I'm not a member of acka-synod, so let me know if any problems appear.

Actually, now that I think about it, let me know also if problems
don't appear.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:30:56 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: End of Cycle

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Joseph W. DeVincentis [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Sunday, July 20, 1997 10:51 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: Acka: End of Cycle

Here's the end-of-cycle stuff for mohammed's bot:
Get rid of old CGE's:
#award CarsesraC: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award fnord: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Joon: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Karma: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Malenkai: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Niccolo Flychuck: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Red Barn: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Robert Sevin: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award two-star: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Ackers: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award CV1701: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Sunflare: -1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
Malenkai's stuff for winning:
#award Malenkai: +0 Right-Handed Grapefruit : end of cycle 15 (already had 
it)
#award Malenkai: +1 Badge of Glory : end of cycle 15
#award Malenkai: +1 Won a Cycle : end of cycle 15
New CGE's:
#award Lipid: +1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Dread Pirate Roberts: +1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
#award Ace Rimmer: +1 Chartreuse Goose Egg : end of cycle 15
Tax: 20% of each player or undead's A$, 10% of malenkai's.  The treasury 
collected over A$5000 in tax here, but gave almost A$2000 out right away in 
score bonuses.
#award Ace Rimmer: -124 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Alfvaen: -146 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Antimatter: -205 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Atilla the Pun: -158 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award AZTEC GOD: -126 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Ben: -18 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award breadbox: -106 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Calvin N Hobbes: -73 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award CarsesraC: -163 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Chalmers: -127 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Darth Vader: -192 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Dread Pirate Roberts: -126 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award fnord: -106 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Guy Fawkes: -33 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Joon: -143 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Karma: -9 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Lipid: -135 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Malenkai: -8 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Chaos: -306 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award mr cwm: -37 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Mr. Lunatic Fringe: -43 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Niccolo Flychuck: -40 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Red Barn: -40 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Robert Sevin: -190 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Sammy: -126 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Techno: -77 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award ThinMan: -63 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award two-star: -167 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Voting Gnome: -202 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Vynd: -30 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Ackers: -81 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award AirHead: -208 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Bascule: -152 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Brinjal: -110 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award CV1701: -142 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award fon: -52 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award G. Peefalt: -154 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Jammer: -62 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Lestrade: -188 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Ludwig: -112 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Narf: -34 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Pascal: -45 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Strider: -37 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Swann: -210 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award 23 Skidoo: -190 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award this is not a name: -87 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Uncle Sam: -103 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax
#award Wayne: -0 A$ : end of cycle 15 tax

Bonuses for scores at end of cycle:
#award Malenkai: +201 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Robert Sevin: +180 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Alfvaen: +149 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Chaos: +126 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Mr. Lunatic Fringe: +115 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award /dev/joe: +114 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Techno: +108 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Guy Fawkes: +99 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award ThinMan: +96 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Vynd: +96 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Voting Gnome: +89 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award fnord: +87 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Rex Mundi: +84 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Calvin N Hobbes: +79 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award breadbox: +71 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Antimatter: +60 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Atilla the Pun: +55 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award mr cwm: +41 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award CarsesraC: +40 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Karma: +26 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award AZTEC GOD: +21 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Red Barn: +19 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Niccolo Flychuck: +3 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award two-star: +3 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Sammy: +1 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Joon: +1 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Chalmers: +1 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Darth Vader: +1 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
#award Ben: +1 A$ : end of cycle 15 score bonus
Archaeologist transfer
#transfer breadbox, Calvin N Hobbes: archaeologist : end of cycle 15
> g-i) Scores are reset to 0, and bonds are based as if previous scores
> are 0.

Those happen tomorrow.  Looks like another easy cycle for the bond harfer. 
:-)
> j) Joon is removed from the game as if e quit.  If e was never active,
> it is as if e never joined the game.

As breadbox mentioned, Joon was non-Voting.  The "Leaving the Game" rule 
makes exception for non-Voting players, who normally never become active; 
they become undead and all the other normal stuff like when an active 
player quits.
> k) Rule 603 is amended to change the magic number's base value to 239.
>
> l) Increment cycle to 16, set mn to 239.
>
> m) All players (no one) are released from Gaol.

You forgot "/dev/joe is finally removed from the Afterlife". :-)
/dev/joe
no longer sheltered

Lipid unsubscribed and is no longer a player the 135A($) in lipids 
possesion should be distributed
- - karma

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 438 (mr cwm)

I accept appointment.

- -mr cwm

On Sun, 20 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

>mr cwm has been selected.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Call For Judgment 438
>  Subject: Treasure
>Initiator: Alfvaen
>    Judge: mr cwm (selected Jul 20, 1997, 10:38h EDT)
>Judgement:
>
>Statement:
>
>If a Map Writer or Map Custodian believes the conditions of a Treasure Map
>to be fulfilled, and declares the Map to be destroyed and the Treasure to
>be found, and later on discovers that the conditions were not in fact
>fulfilled, then the Treasure should be considered to not have been
>found, nor the Treasure Map destroyed.
>
>Alfvaen's Reasoning:
>
>I'm not sure whether this is covered by Rule 1217 or not.  It does not
>state any truly rigorous game requirements that a Map's conditions be
>satisfied validly; I don't believe that it is necessarily a Crime, for
>instance, to mistakenly destroy a Treasure Map.  Since the language of
>Treasure Maps is often not "legalese", it is left up to the Map Writer
>or Custodian to determine whether the conditions have been met.  Can e
>change eir mind?
>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:40:07 -0800
From: "Jerome Herrman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Tattoo 

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From: Jerome Herrman
To:  'acka'
Subject:  Acka: Tattoo
Date: 1997-07-21 08:34
Priority: 3
Message ID: 7A17194B70FFD011948C0060976638FA
Conversation ID: Acka: Tattoo

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I am going to Karma's tattoo parlor and requesting an tattoo.  I am also   
paying Karma A$100 for this tattoo.  I leave the design to Karma and   
anxiously await his description.

#award Techno, -100:Tattoo
#award Karma, +100:Tattoo

Techno

While an intelligent blind funny detective from another planet was with a
team of kangeroos, one cosmic Russian from Indiana stole all the air.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:00:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Cycle

Karma wrote, buried in a very long message between all my gizz for
mohammed's bot which Karma seems to not know how to edit down to
something smaller, and all Karma's gizz from his mailer:

> Lipid unsubscribed and is no longer a player the 135A($) in lipids 
> possesion should be distributed

As it turns out, since he was never an active player, the rules return
all his possessions to the treasury, destroy his house and PFbonds,
and deny him the creation of an undead.  His A$ are not distributed to
other players; no rule says that happens, so it doesn't, though having
them in the treasury does make them available for other players to earn
via the various methods defined in the rules for earning A$ from the
treasury.

In any case I haven't made those changes on the web pages (there are
a few other players treated similarly) but I will do it when I get the time;
maybe not until this evening.

/dev/joe

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Date: 21 Jul 1997 12:25:28 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: P342 Fallout 

AC>First of all, my apologies for confusing Mr Lunatic Fringe, and everyone
AC>else (including me).

AC>On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

AC>> > Vynd changed his vote nearly 8.5 hours after /dev/joe announced the resu
AC>> > of the senate vote on Internomic P342.  So, I think the question that ne
AC>> > to be asked is "Does the senate have a voting period?" and if so is it
AC>> > legal to release information befoe that period has expired.
AC>>
AC>> Senate voting is regulated by rule 1001.
AC>>
AC>The Senate has a week long voting period.  However, to quote rule 1001
AC>"Results may be announced before the alloted time ends, in which case the
AC>voting period is over when those results are announced."  Thus, once all 4
AC>Senators had voted, /dev/joe was within his rights to send out the
AC>results.  Once those results were released, the voting period was over,
AC>and my attempt to change my vote later was invalid.

This is interesting.  Since the Senate's internal functioning is
unregulated by the Rules (a good thing, I think) it could be argued that
any Senator may make this report on behalf of the Senate.  The fact that
/dev/joe has taken over this duty over the past several months certainly
doesn't mean that he alone may do it.  Anyway, since the rule doesn't
say that to prematurely end the Senate's voting period, all Senators
must vote, it appears that one Senator could vote, report the Senate
voting results with his being the only vote, and bypass the rest of the
Senate.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P342 Fallout

> This is interesting.  Since the Senate's internal functioning is
> unregulated by the Rules (a good thing, I think) it could be argued that
> any Senator may make this report on behalf of the Senate.  The fact that
> /dev/joe has taken over this duty over the past several months certainly
> doesn't mean that he alone may do it.  Anyway, since the rule doesn't
> say that to prematurely end the Senate's voting period, all Senators
> must vote, it appears that one Senator could vote, report the Senate
> voting results with his being the only vote, and bypass the rest of the
> Senate.

Yes, the belief is that the Senate is small enough to regulate itself
without having to bring in the rules. (I made the same point as a
Senator when we decided to make me the unofficial Announcement-Harfer.)

Presumably if an unscrupulous player were to get voted into the Senate
and actually did what you described, and got away with it, the rest of
the Senate would be able to convince the rest of Ackanomic to have em
quickly Impeached.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:10:14 -0800
From: "Jerome Herrman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Land Purchase 

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From: Jerome Herrman
To:  'acka'
Subject:  Acka: Land Purchase
Date: 1997-07-21 15:11
Priority: 3
Message ID: A617194B70FFD011948C0060976638FA
Conversation ID: Acka: Land Purchase

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I am purchasing the following kaas of land.  L6, L7, L8, L9 for the   
current price of A$48.454 each, or a total of A$193.816.

#award Techno, -194:Land Purchase - L6,L7,L8,L9

Techno

While an intelligent blind funny detective from another planet was with a
team of kangeroos, one cosmic Russian from Indiana stole all the air.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:30:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Land Purchase

> I am purchasing the following kaas of land.  L6, L7, L8, L9 for the   
> current price of A$48.454 each, or a total of A$193.816.
> 
> #award Techno, -194:Land Purchase - L6,L7,L8,L9

I think that Malenkai put through a Proposal that changed the price of land
to A$50, in perpetuity...

That reminds me...any other volunteers to be Map-Harfer?  I can probably
do it(at least, provide a current Map to the Web-Harfer, etc.), but it's
more or less official now that Terranet will no longer be a going concern
in a little while, so my web page access will soon be limited.  (I suppose
I will still be able to put up a little bit of Web stuff, as long as
there's no CGI's...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Will Smith:Men In Black
Current Book--Robert Jordan:The Dragon Reborn
Who was that I saw you with leaving my body last night?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:00:06 -0800
From: "Jerome Herrman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE:  Re: Acka: Land Purchase 

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Date: 1997-07-21 16:55
Priority: 3
Message ID: AA17194B70FFD011948C0060976638FA
Conversation ID: RE:  Re: Acka: Land Purchase

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The map harfer page is where I got the price of land.  This purchase will   
be made at the price of A$50 per kaa if that is the correct price.

Techno

> I am purchasing the following kaas of land.  L6, L7, L8, L9 for the
> current price of A$48.454 each, or a total of A$193.816.
>
> #award Techno, -194:Land Purchase - L6,L7,L8,L9

I think that Malenkai put through a Proposal that changed the price of   
land
to A$50, in perpetuity...

That reminds me...any other volunteers to be Map-Harfer?  I can probably
do it(at least, provide a current Map to the Web-Harfer, etc.), but it's
more or less official now that Terranet will no longer be a going concern
in a little while, so my web page access will soon be limited.  (I   
suppose
I will still be able to put up a little bit of Web stuff, as long as
there's no CGI's...)

 --
 --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Will Smith:Men In Black
Current Book--Robert Jordan:The Dragon Reborn
Who was that I saw you with leaving my body last night?

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