Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #199
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Ackanomic Digest       Wednesday, July 16 1997       Volume 02 : Number 199

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:10:08 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 435 (Karma)

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Malenkai [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 15, 1997 8:24 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Acka: CFJ 435 (Karma)

Karma has been picked.
Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgment 435
  Subject:	Otzma my income
Initiator:	/dev/joe
    Judge:	Karma (selected Jul 15, 1997, 20:24h EDT)
Judgement:
Statement:
Vynd's use of an Otzma Card Share your income on /dev/joe for A$400 on July 
14 was not in accordance with the rules.
/dev/joe's Reasoning:
This depends on the definition of "receives".
R1250.7 says:
An Otzma Card of this type can only be played in the public forum.  When a 
player plays this a Card of this type e also names another player, and a 
sum of money which is at most half of a sum the named player received in 
the preceding three days.
The only change in the A$ /dev/joe owned in the three days preceding the 
otzma card usage was the conversion of a trinket to A$.  Remember that 
trinket creation and destruction is the only normal event which actually 
changes A$ into other entities (or vice versa) instead of paying the A$ 
into or taking them from the treasury.  R506 says:
The owner of a Trinket may transform it into its value in A$ by publically 
announcing they are doing so. This action destroys the Trinket, creating A$ 
in its stead, and it upsets the art and antiquities communities.
If anybody has any Go Fish Otzma Cards for sale, I am interested in buying 
them, regardless of the outcome of this CFJ.
I accept wholeheartedly This is definitely cthliuluiuli (slap) whatever 
that heinous new crime is.
- -karma

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:11:42 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: A House Warming Party!

- -----Original Message-----
From:	**Alexandre Muniz [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 15, 1997 9:10 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: Acka: A House Warming Party!

Hank Turowski wrote:
> 
> I would like to take a moment to announce a house warming part this week at
> my home, the Pirate Ship Revenge.  The festivities will begin this Thursday
> the 17th of July at 1pm Ackanomic time, and run well into the night.
> Please RSVP before midnight Wednesday by posting a public message stating
> that you will be attending.

It would be an honor to attend. Hey, maybe if there is going to be a 
party, those present should meet on IRC during the party.

**two-star
two-star that is harfy cool idea man I can digit!
- -Karma

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:13:21 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Apologies

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Phil Ackley [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 15, 1997 10:24 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: Acka: Apologies

>First, I'd like to publically apologize to Mr. Lunatic Fringe for
>any messages on my part that he has taken to be rude over the past
>several months.  There was no rude intent on my part.

Understood and accepted.  What I was reffering to was negitive tone, not
general rudeness, but accepted anyway.  I apologize for any and all rude
comments I made have made in response.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe

What's with these pantywaist apologies? I would like to state that no apologies are necessary.
- -karma

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:42:08 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka proposal wich witch

This is a modest proposal
A rule stating
{{ any player who has the audacity and ignorange to remove themselves from 
all mailing lists of ackanomic (in other words "quitting the game" without 
so much as a written "farewell" "I'm leaving " or similar common polite 
word or phrase is considered a demented witch, mainly for wanting to leave 
the greatest game on the net.

A demented witch is not a real one but will have to prove otherwise and is 
dunked in acka's deepest sea until they admit they are a witch this will 
continue until they have drowned (for no real witch would ever admit to 
being a witch) or until the confession is made therefore being burned at 
the stake. Ironically though they do not become enlightened because they 
were never a real witch they were just impolite and ignorant, but that's 
the way the ball bounces, tit for tat, karma and whatnot. This demented 
witch burning is a glorious occasion and all members of acka get to 
participate in the "Dunking of the witch" this will apply even after the 
player has left cuz' they already have left, but we still get the enjoyment 
of savagely killing the acka has been. This is for all the wasted hard work 
being done by our fine office holders who get abandoned without a trace.}}

- - karma

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Acting mad scientist?

OK, I want to get this all straightened out, right now, and I don't have
the time to wade through the complicated rules on this buisness.  Now that
Alfvaen is back from vacation, am I still the Acting Mad Scientist, or has
he resumed his duties?  I had assumed he was back on the job, and told
some people who sent me parts as much, but I just now see that I have a
part from, well, lets say from someone who knows a little more about the
blueprint-under-construction than I do...  This means one or the other of
us is waaaay off base.  In the event that I am still the Acting Mad
Scientist, or that I am the actual Mad Scientist, I am leaving said post,
effective immediately.  If I'm neither of the above, then I am obviously
not leaving the post, and would ask you all to refraid from sending me
mostly decayed pieces of rules.

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:16:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Acting mad scientist?

> OK, I want to get this all straightened out, right now, and I don't have
> the time to wade through the complicated rules on this buisness.  Now that
> Alfvaen is back from vacation, am I still the Acting Mad Scientist, 

No.  As soon as he returned, he got his office back.  Only parts
sent to you while he was actually out count.  I believe that long
post I wrote the other night about this describes the situation
accurately.  Hopefully it does, anyway.

Malenkai
Expert in Offices

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Salaries

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> 
> /dev/joe wrote:
> 
> > The more important thing to note here is that there are A$150/month
> > worth
> > of offices I will resign from before the end of the month.  Alfvaen
> > doesn't
> > know what sort of access he will have and Guy Fawkes can't help until
> > about a month later.  We need some volunteers here.
> > 
> I am currently more-or-less HTML-inept, which restricts my capabilities
> with regard to said offices.  That being said, however, I think I am
> qualified at least to harf the undead.  I would recommend that whoever

I don't even want to ask, do I?

> 
> ThinMan
> 

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:52:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Salaries

> > I wonder if to some extent the Web-Harfer duties could be divided
> > up.  This could be problematic if not everyone that would otherwise
> > be able to perform an offices' duties can put up web pages.
> 
> Here's another interesting idea.
> 
> I don't have the free time to be a Web-Harfer (or at least I can't
> commit to having that much free time in the coming months), but I do
> have the disk space. If someone *wants* to be Web-Harfer but doesn't
> have the necessary storage (due to quotas or whatever), we might be
> able to arrange a deal. Let me know.

That would be me, if Terranet goes under.  Unless I take up about 50
Geocities addresses.  :-)  And, of course, if connections would end up
being slow, editing would be mind-numbingly painful, but something can
perhaps be worked out.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Kraftwerk:The Man-Machine
Current Book--Heather Spears:The Taming
My, the toves seem particularly slithy today.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:06:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 432 (Karma)

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Karma has been chosen.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Call For Judgment 432
>   Subject: The Trouble with Lushrike
> Initiator: Alfvaen
>     Judge: Karma (selected Jul 15, 1997, 20:14h EDT)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Alfvaen must add to the Blueprint-Under-Construction for Lushrike any parts
> submitted to Vynd while Vynd was Acting Mad Scientist.
> 
> Alfvaen's Reasoning:
> 
> Heck, I have no idea.  If I knew, I probably wouldn't be submitting this.
> For instance, Rule 597 says "The Mad Scientist must attach all parts to the
> Blueprint-Under-Construction".  Can Vynd do that if I've got the only copy
> of the BUC(which I'm fairly sure I can't show to him, because it's
> illegal)?
> 

This should be false, I'd say.  *I* should be the one to add them to the
BUC, not you, I was the mad Scientist at the time.  I was the only one
under obligation.

                              - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:11:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 435 (Karma)

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Karma has been picked.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Call For Judgment 435
>   Subject: Otzma my income
> Initiator: /dev/joe
>     Judge: Karma (selected Jul 15, 1997, 20:24h EDT)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
>   
> Vynd's use of an Otzma Card Share your income on /dev/joe for A$400 on
> July 14 was not in accordance with the rules.
> 
> /dev/joe's Reasoning:
>   
> This depends on the definition of "receives".
> 
> R1250.7 says:
> 
>     An Otzma Card of this type can only be played in the public forum.
>     When a player plays this a Card of this type e also names another player,
>     and a sum of money which is at most half of a sum the named player
>     received in the preceding three days.
> 
> The only change in the A$ /dev/joe owned in the three days preceding the
> otzma card usage was the conversion of a trinket to A$.  Remember that
> trinket creation and destruction is the only normal event which actually
> changes A$ into other entities (or vice versa) instead of paying the A$
> into or taking them from the treasury.  R506 says:
> 
>     The owner of a Trinket may transform it into its value in A$ by
>     publically announcing they are doing so. This action destroys the
>     Trinket, creating A$ in its stead, and it upsets the art and
>     antiquities communities.
> 
> If anybody has any Go Fish Otzma Cards for sale, I am interested in
> buying them, regardless of the outcome of this CFJ.
> 

Sorry /dev/joe, but when you made that Colossus, I knew this day would
have to come.  I will tell you that, if you fail in your quest to get a Go
Fish card, you have a way to mitigate your fate already at hand....

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:45:51 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: A$ and party chess 

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Benjamin Good wrote:

> Excerpts from mail: 14-Jul-97 Ackanomic Digest V2 #195 by Ackanomic
> [email-masked] 
> > (Niccolo Flychuck wrote, in response to Ben):
> > > Note that you will some source of income. Chess pieces cost A$. You get
> > > five three ones, and you acquire more by Capturing them.
> > 
> > ("three"->"free"?)  Hmmm...is there a way for a non-voting chess-player to
> > get money just from playing chess?  Maybe some of our tax-shelter people
> > should make a donation.  :-)
> > 
> 
> uh oh.  does this mean that other players can obtain A$ in other areas
> of ackanomic and then use them in party chess?  does this mean that i
> would have a significant disadvantage, as a party chess player, if i
> don't get involved in the rest of ackanomic?  
> 
> ben 

You will be able to get a small number of points by converting
SwingoPoints into points. Swingpoints depend entirely on your performance
on the Party Board.  This, however, is a very small income.
Swingpoints can be converted to Bonus Votes, which don't go for high
prices nowadays.
Perhaps one of the financial wizards in acka has other suggestions.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:44:57 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Museum

Hmmm.  So with the recent CFJ that ruled that the Beldin's Pants Rule did
not destroy any trinkets from the Museum, what happens?  Do all of the
trinkets thought destroyed come back into existence, or just the ones in
the two-week retroactivity limit?

Most importantly, what happened to Beldin's Parka?  Since I created a new
one and buried it, which would fail if it still existed...isn't this the
kind of thing that the two-week limit was meant to deal with?  So it should
only be the Tasteless Trinket of Timekeeping and...was it the Loophole
Surfboard the week before?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Simply Mad About The Mouse
Current Book--Heather Spears:The Taming
Earwigs are not the only fruit.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:48:28 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: A$ and party chess

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Aaron Humphrey wrote:

> > uh oh.  does this mean that other players can obtain A$ in other areas
> > of ackanomic and then use them in party chess?
> 
> Apparently it does.
> 
> > does this mean that i
> > would have a significant disadvantage, as a party chess player, if i
> > don't get involved in the rest of ackanomic?  
> 
> That's not necessarily true, but since I don't play Party Chess I'm not
> sure.  You get a number of pieces upon becoming a Swinger anyway, and I
> don't know how often other players buy pieces, 

The answer is - very rarely. Just count the numer of Swingers, multiply by
five and subtract that from the total number of Swinger (not counting
Kings), and that's the number of pieces that have been bought in the game
so far. Game playin started on Sep 96, and went on continously except for
a couple of short periods of suspension which did not amount to more than
a couple of months collectively.

Niccolo Flychuck

 > so I don't know if that
> would change the balance of the game significantly.
> 
> Maybe you should get a corporate sponsor.  Ask RexBank to sponsor you.  :-)
> 
> 
> - --
> - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
> Current Album--Pretty In Pink Soundtrack
> CurrentBook--Heather Spears:The Taming
> Ketchup and chocolate.  It's a bad idea.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:56:14 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 431 (Niccolo Flychuck)

I accept this CFJ and judge it True. 
I accept Alfaven's reasoning.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Niccolo Flychuck has been chosen.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> - ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Call For Judgment 431
> Subject: Names
> Initiator: Alfvaen
>   Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected Jul 15, 1997, 20:11h EDT)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Ben became an active player on July 2nd, 1997.
> 
> Alfvaen's Reasoning:
> 
> Here is the relevant paragraph of Rule 252:
> 
>  A person wishing to join the game, and who cannot do so as a
>  Returning player, should notify the Registrar, providing a valid
>  email address, their real name, and the legal Ackanomic name they
>  wish to play under.  Upon them providing this information, should
>  the requested name indeed be a legal Ackanomic name, the Registrar
>  shall post apublic message announcing the new player and providing
>  their Ackanomic name, real name, and email address, and if the
>  prospective player provided it, how they discovered the game. Upon
>  the posting of such an announcement, the person becomes registered
>  as a player.
> 
> Mr. Lunatic Fringe, the Registrar, did indeed post a public message
> providing Ben's real name, email address, and an Ackanomic name.  The first
> sentence of the paragraph says that a person wishing to join the game
> _should_provide a name they wish to play under.  The question is whether
> or not game custom allows the Registrar to choose a provisional name for a
> player who does not provide an Ackanomic name.
> 
> Or is it the phrasing of the conditional clause in the second sentence?
> Would "should the requested name indeed be a legal Ackanomic name" be
> invalid if "the requested name" does not exist, thus negating the rest of
> that sentence, and making the announcement invalid?
> 
> The fact that, upon receiving an email from"Benjamin Good" to join the
> game, Mr. Lunatic Fringe attempted to create a player named "Ben", perhaps
> he perceived an implied name request, which has been validated by the fact
> that "Ben" did indeed choose that name for emself.  The assumption that
> "Ben" was not chosen comes from Mr. LF's phrasing, "Ackanomic name Ben
> until he changes it".  The fact is, aren't all of our names "until we
> change them"?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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