Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #183
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, July 7 1997         Volume 02 : Number 183

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:44:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Practice Voodoo Economics 

>Thank you!  I notice that the head seems to be missing.  I narrow my
>eyes suspiciously in Calvin N Hobbes' direction...
>
>Mohammed

/me goes [bonk]

CnH
laughing

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:03:19 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 423 (two-star)

two-star has been picked.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

Call For Judgment 423
  Subject: Questioning the strength of established game custom
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: two-star (selected Jul 07, 1997, 19:02h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

The Loophole Surfboard was not destroyed by the Beldin's Pants rule.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

The Rule states that the recipient of Beldin's Parka loses one trinket
every week.  I question a)whether or not the Museum can really be a
"recipient", and b)whether or not the Museum can really "lose" trinkets.
Basically, these rest on the fact that the Museum does not _own_ trinkets,
but is a Location where trinkets can be placed, and happens to be specially
allowed to be a Location for unowned trinkets(that do not then go to the
Treasury or Somewhere Else).  If this is the case, then I submit that one
or both of questions a) and b) must be answered "no".

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:32:46 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  Senate (Proposal 2212)

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> the general public on the matter, I have let it drop.  I am mildly
> suprised that Niccolo took this matter as a cue to begin attempts to
> reduce the terms and powers of the Senate.  It certainly was not the
> case that those terms or other powershad anything to do with the
> proposal being submitted.

As ThinMan states, that proposal was just that, a cue. Some of the veteran
players may remember that in the past I often discussed splitting up the
roles of the Senate, and possibly setting up another Institution. That
specific proposal merely served as a trigger.  I do not believe that it is
the Senate's inalienable right to have complete control of the Internomic
Interface. Currently, we ratain the staus quo of public proposing and
Senate voting. I don't believe it is anymore than a status quo we find
convenient to maintain. 

This may also have to do with a difference as to how one views such
Institutions.  It seems to me that ThinMan views the Senate as governing
body. I see Senators as public servants.

> individual opinions matter only insomuchas they contribute to the
> collective opinion.
> 

Most of the second paragraph simply reiterates the democratic principles
behind Acka. I suppose we all agree with that. This last sentence I am at
odds with. I'd say that the collective opinion only exists as the
interaction of individual opinions. Acka is the sum of its players, and
its existence depends on the players, while the players may well have an
existence beyond Acka.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:37:22 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: NAP Swinger?

Curious, I see Red Barn designated both as NAP Swinger,and Acting NAP
Swinger, and also on Vacation.

1. Is there an Acting NAP Swinger now?
2. When did Red Barn go on Vacation?

TIA

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:39:27 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> 1. Is there an Acting NAP Swinger now?

I appointed someone for Red Barn, but do not remember who it
is.  Either they will speak up, or you must slog through the
ftp archives.  It was about a week or so ago.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:09:20 -0700
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Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC (pg 7)

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:11:44 -0700
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Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC (pg 8)

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:36:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSRR?

On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> Did we ever have one appointed?  I know we had at lest two volunteers...

	Oops.  That's my job eh.  The rule specifies I should announce
the list of all eligible nominees.  The only volunteer I saw was
Vynd.

	I appoint Vynd the Officer of Common Sense, Redundancy and
Redundancy.
	Also, I appoint Vynd the CSRR.

- -- 
Mohammed
Across seven states a billion lions overran the world.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:47:28 EDT 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Numbers BWG

8675309 is the title to a song popular in the early eighties.  I don't
recall the group that performed it,  but it got a lot of airplay for a
while.  I believe it was sub-titled "Jenny".

"Get your kicks on Route 66"  was VERY popular in the sixties,  and made
a brief comback in a new wave version for a Mountain Dew commercial.

I haven't a clue as to the others.  (Although "82" seems to hit a chord
somewhere.)

Voting Gnome

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:03:15 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 419 Verdict

> Although it is not binding, I will note that I disagree with Mohammed
> about whether this ruling causes Malenkai to not have a Pulse Laser.
> R716 prescribes a player behavior to be taken; it does not cause any
> entity transfer to happen automatically.  Moreover, I note that R716
> allows no time window in which to perform such action, thus, IMO, the
> transferrence requirement can never be satisfied,

Well, the entity in question cannot be transferred until a time machine
is invented.  Fortunately, I have plenty of time to come up with one --
hopefully I'll get to it this week with a cleverly designed blueprint.

IAC, I am buying the following Prosthetic Forehead from the treasury
and presenting it to Mohammed:

It is curved like the Earth.  In fact, it looks like the Earth, rather
than the wearer's head, is sitting on the wearer's shoulders when this
thing is donned.  It is specially fitted to be worn with the Shades of
Chorg, and, if used properly, it will set up a telepathic link between
its wearer and those long lost Shades.

Malenkai
guilty of patent infringement for the second time

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 419 Verdict

> IAC, I am buying the following Prosthetic Forehead from the treasury
> and presenting it to Mohammed:
> 
> It is curved like the Earth.  In fact, it looks like the Earth, rather
> than the wearer's head, is sitting on the wearer's shoulders when this
> thing is donned.  It is specially fitted to be worn with the Shades of
> Chorg, and, if used properly, it will set up a telepathic link between
> its wearer and those long lost Shades.
	Thank you!  I accept graciously and am putting this Prosthetic
Forehead on my real head.

- -- 
Mohammed
At the University of Upstate New York at Buffalo, a nomad nuked a small
minority of aliens from Nome.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:25:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 419 Verdict

> Call For Judgment 419
> Judgement: TRUE
> 
> Statement:
> 
> Malenkai is guilty of Patent Infringement for possessing "military
> lasers" when P2104 was accepted (or shortly thereafter.)

> ThinMan's Reasoning:
> 
> Although it is not binding, I will note that I disagree with Mohammed
> about whether this ruling causes Malenkai to not have a Pulse Laser.
> R716 prescribes a player behavior to be taken; it does not cause any
> entity transfer to happen automatically.  Moreover, I note that R716
> allows no time window in which to perform such action, thus, IMO, the
> transferrence requirement can never be satisfied, and the net effect
> is to make Patent Infringement be a Crime (which otherwise it isn't).

Can somebody sort this out and tell me what effect, if any, this verdict has
on Malenkai's Pulse Lasers and/or (new) Military Lasers?

/dev/joe
Too busy

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:23:30 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 419 Verdict

> Can somebody sort this out and tell me what effect, if any, this 
> verdict has on Malenkai's Pulse Lasers and/or (new) Military Lasers?

Malenkai has a Pulse Laser and the new Military lasers.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:50:41 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

I am creating a trinket called the "Snail Shell", value A$30, with the
following description: "Its where a snail has to be".

#trinket Malenkai : Snail Shell : 30
#transfer malenkai,buried : snail shell

I am burying the Snail Shell, and revealing the following text, which
is substantially similar to the map:

Whoever scores the most points in the Gaolhouse Rock Numbers Contest
(GRNC) shall find the Snail Shell.  In the event of a tie for most,
the player who submitted the first of the tied entries shall win.

The rules of the GNRC are:

0) Entries are via private e-mail to me.  Non-private e-mail is not 
an entry.  Entries shall be unambiguously marked as such.  [This post 
was sent to acka-priv].

1) A player may only submit one entry.  Entries after their *first*
are disqualified.

2) Contest ends Sat, July 12th, 23:59.

3) For each of the numbers in my recent Gaol cell descriptions (requoted
below), players may submit one song and the artist who recorded that
song.  To score, the song must contain, in its lyrics, the number in
question. One point is scored if I recognize the song, and can verify 
the lyric.  If this point is scored, another point is scored for this
song if the artist mentioned did in fact record the song, and I can
verify that.  The artist point cannot be scored if the song point is
not scored (for a particular number). 

4) It is recognized that I may not recognize a legitimate entry.  There
are many gaps in my musical knowledge.  That's the way the bee bumbles,
unfortunately.  Your best bet is sticking with commercial rock/alternative
music, or adding extra material, such as a URL (which I am free to ignore),
to bolster your claim.
  
5) Titles and artists must be reasonably exact (excluding articles, 
prepositions, punctuation, and the like), as judged by me.  For example,
"8675309" is wrong.  "Artist" means band or performer/solo artist.

6) The decisions of the Judges are final, even if wrong.  This clause
has precedence over all others in the map.  Sorry, I'll try my best. :-)

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Antimatter is is cell 1000000000000, its walls are green.
fnord is in cell 8675309, its walls are green.
Guy Fawkes is in cell 4545, its walls are green.
Rex Mundi is in cell 96, its walls are green.
Robert Sevin is in cell 82, its walls are harf.
two star is in cell 66, its walls are wall-coloured.

Malenkai
bored

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:07:16 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 422 Verdict

CFJ 422 has been judged false.

Clerk of the Courts
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgment 422
  Subject: Azpiazu Lives?
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: two-star (declined)
2nd Judge: AZTEC GOD (declined)
3rd Judge: Mohammed (selected Jul 05, 1997, 00:47h EDT)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

Azpiazu was not destroyed by the Blueprint rule.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

While /dev/joe's amendments to the Blueprint rule was intended to make
inconsistent Blueprints, like most Frankenstein Monsters, destroy
themselves, I don't believe it did so in the case of Azpiazu, for the
simple reason that R597 contains the sentence "This rule takes precedence
over the Rules generally governing Blueprints."

Mohammed's Reasoning:

Rule 597 does not say anything that I construe to conflict with Rule
594's provisions causing Azpiazu to be destroyed.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:55:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> > 1. Is there an Acting NAP Swinger now?
> 
> I appointed someone for Red Barn, but do not remember who it
> is.  Either they will speak up, or you must slog through the
> ftp archives.  It was about a week or so ago.

Antimatter was appointed, IIRC.  OTOH, Ben has evinced an interest in Party
Chess--in fact, that's his main interest in Ackanomic right now--and would
probably be glad to be NAP Swinger, if there were to be an election(it is a
political office, IIRC?)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Chemical Brothers:Dig Your Own Hole
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
In the state of Washington, it's illegal to have sex with a virgin.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:58:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSRR?

> On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> > Did we ever have one appointed?  I know we had at lest two volunteers...
> 
> 	Oops.  That's my job eh.  The rule specifies I should announce
> the list of all eligible nominees.  The only volunteer I saw was
> Vynd.

Well, I _did_ volunteer twice, once publicly and once privately...
However, I'm content not to contest Vynd for the position, since I'll
either end up with enough work to keep me busy anyway, or go ABEND.

> 	I appoint Vynd the Officer of Common Sense, Redundancy and
> Redundancy.
> 	Also, I appoint Vynd the CSRR.

I had been building up a list of stuff that I thought could be dealt with
in a CSR, if Vynd wants to have a look at it...  Like the redundant Magic
Number resetting I just introduced in Rule 666.  :-/

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Chemical Brothers:Dig Your Own Hole
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
Don't you dare skid on my rainbow paper!

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:01:13 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSRR?

> I had been building up a list of stuff that I thought could be dealt with
> in a CSR, if Vynd wants to have a look at it...  Like the redundant Magic
> Number resetting I just introduced in Rule 666.  :-/

In the old days, it was customary to submit CSR suggestions to the
CSRR.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:03:00 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> Antimatter was appointed, IIRC.  OTOH, Ben has evinced an interest in Party
> Chess--in fact, that's his main interest in Ackanomic right now--and would
> probably be glad to be NAP Swinger, if there were to be an election(it is a
> political office, IIRC?)

Antimatter would have to resign, and Ben would have to be an active
player for this to happen.  I do not believe Ben can be an active player
until e chooses eir acka name, though.  Perhaps Antimatter wants to 
be NAP swinger, though, I dunno.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:07:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSRR?

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> > I had been building up a list of stuff that I thought could be dealt with
> > in a CSR, if Vynd wants to have a look at it...  Like the redundant Magic
> > Number resetting I just introduced in Rule 666.  :-/
> 
> In the old days, it was customary to submit CSR suggestions to the
> CSRR.
> 
> Malenkai

Let no one say I stand in the way of established game custom...

                    - Vynd, also known, on occassion, as Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:15:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> > Antimatter was appointed, IIRC.  OTOH, Ben has evinced an interest in Party
> > Chess--in fact, that's his main interest in Ackanomic right now--and would
> > probably be glad to be NAP Swinger, if there were to be an election(it is a
> > political office, IIRC?)
> 
> Antimatter would have to resign, and Ben would have to be an active
> player for this to happen.  I do not believe Ben can be an active player
> until e chooses eir acka name, though.  Perhaps Antimatter wants to 
> be NAP swinger, though, I dunno.

The NAP Swinger needs to be an active player?  I hadn't realized that.  Ben
(who may not be aware that he doesn't have an Acka name; I certainly
wasn't)is interested in voting status for voting on Party Chess proposals,
but shouldn't it be possible for a non-voting player to be a Swinger?  If
it isn't under the current rules, it should be, since IMHO that's the kind
of thing a non-voting player should be able to do.  (Or do we need "Chess
Voting" players, who can only vote on Party Chess proposals?  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry:Teenager
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:24:44 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> The NAP Swinger needs to be an active player? 

It is a political office.  I will not appoint a non-active player
to a political office, unless you show me that such is legal. (Basically
I *think* political offices must be held by active players (or 
vacationing) players only, and I'm too lasy to look it up.

> Ben (who may not be aware that he doesn't have an Acka name; I certainly
> wasn't)

snowgod seemed to indicate that e had not chosen a name yet.  I would
check with him, but the rules are clear that a player must choose a
name before joining (at least they used to be).

> If it isn't under the current rules, it should be, since IMHO that's
> the kind of thing a non-voting player should be able to do. 

Submit a proposal.  It is possible that /dev/joe's non-voting player
thing made swingers an exception.  I would check, don't take my word
for it.  As far as I know, e joined as a voting player though.

> (Or do we need "Chess Voting" players, who can only vote on Party 
> Chess proposals?  :-)

No. :-)

Malenkai
on IRC

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:27:30 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Joining 

Ace,

Glad to have you aboard.  Sorry I am so long in replyiong to your mesage.
I just got back from a weekend of waterskiing and fighting of mnosquitos.
Anyway, I just need  two more things from you and I will introduce you to
the group.

#1) Your choice of status: Voting or nonvoting.

#2) Your choice of lists: Regular, or digest versions.

Send me this and I will sign you up.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe
Registrar

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:34:09 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Registrarness

Greetings,

There are two new observers among us.  First we have Hank Turowski
<[email-masked]> who is observing with the intent of joining.
Second we have Maurizio Paoluzi <[email-masked]> who stumbled
across our web page and was intrigued.  PLease welcome them both to our
Game.

That is all.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:34:16 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 137 (Rex Mundi)

Rex Mundi has been picked.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Criminal Judgment 137
  Subject: Zuriti'ili
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: Rex Mundi (selected Jul 07, 1997, 23:33h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

/dev/joe has committed a Crime.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

According to the Zuriti'ili rule, this heinous Crime has been committed at
least once in the history of Ackanomic, and it is furthermore possibly
related to entities which may be owned.  /dev/joe is known as one of the
foremost owners of entities, hence I consider it extremely likely that he
has committed Zuriti'ili with reference to one or more of these entities.
Furthermore, he has been in the game at some point during the history of
Ackanomic.

Suggested Penalty:

A FINE of A$100, or
The TRANSFERENCE of the Shapeshifter, Bronze Horse, Aladdin's Ring, or
Colossus of Sardia to Alfvaen, on the ground that these large trinkets
surely led to the commission of Zuriti'ili, and would be better off in
other hands.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:36:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> > The NAP Swinger needs to be an active player? 
> 
> It is a political office.  I will not appoint a non-active player
> to a political office, unless you show me that such is legal. (Basically
> I *think* political offices must be held by active players (or 
> vacationing) players only, and I'm too lasy to look it up.

Okay, here it is in Rule 1040, section III:  "Non-voting players are
eligible for all types of Swinger offices."  Whether this has the desired
precedence or not I don't know, but this may be another job for the CSR
Officer if so(since it _should_).

> > Ben (who may not be aware that he doesn't have an Acka name; I certainly
> > wasn't)
> 
> snowgod seemed to indicate that e had not chosen a name yet.  I would
> check with him, but the rules are clear that a player must choose a
> name before joining (at least they used to be).

I'll let him know that(assuming, of course, that he's not reading this
right now and getting annoyed at being talked about as if he were not
present...:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry:Teenager
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
'Oh, bother,' said Pooh, as he formatted his life.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:44:34 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger? 

>snowgod seemed to indicate that e had not chosen a name yet.  I would
>check with him, but the rules are clear that a player must choose a
>name before joining (at least they used to be).

It was my understanding that Ben would serve as his Ackanomic name until he
decided on one he likes.  I could be wrong, I suppose, but I don't think
so.  Ben, any comments?

Mr. Lunatic Fringe
Phil

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:40:53 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> Okay, here it is in Rule 1040, section III:  "Non-voting players are
> eligible for all types of Swinger offices."  Whether this has the desired
> precedence or not I don't know, but this may be another job for the CSR
> Officer if so(since it _should_).

It may not, but that is something for you to check.  IAC, I automatically
object to *any* CSR that changes the way the rules work.  IMO, CSRs
should clarify the rules, not change them.  mr cwm was an excellent
CSR in when and how he applied it.  Fixing precedence problems in the
rules is a matter for voting, not CSR, IMO.

Malenkai
Expert in Loophole Surfing

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:39:22 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: G&C submissions

This message contains two General Equipment Submissions and one Game 
Submission.

General Equipment Submission: The Politics Deck & Politics Booster
The Politics deck consists of 60 cards, with distribution as follows:

Card            Number
   (For votes)
One For         5
Two For         5
Three For       4
Four For        3
Five For        2
Six For         1
Bonus One For   2
Bonus Two For   1
 (Against votes)
One Against     5
Two Against     5
Three Against   4
Four Against    3
Five Against    2
Six Against     1
 (Abstain votes)
Abstain         5
   (Doublers)
Triple Against  1
Double Against  5
Double For      4
Self Double     2

The Politics booster contains 20 additional cards to be added to a Politics 
deck:

Card            Number
   (For votes)
One For         2
Two For         1
Three For       1
Ten For         1
Bonus One For   4
Bonus Two For   1
 (Against votes)
One Against     2
Two Against     1
Three Against   1
Ten Against     1
 (Abstain votes)
Abstain         5
    (Doublers)
Self Double     1

General Equipment Submission: Gamedollars
Gamedollars (abbreviation: G$) are small, green plastic chips used to represent 
money in G&C games. They are available in G$1, G$5, G$10, G$20, G$50, and G$100 
denominations, and can be exchanged for larger or smaller denominations freely.

Game Submission: Politics

General Equipment:
  1 Politics Deck
  At least G$150 for each player
  1 Politics Booster (optional)

Players:
  3 to 10

The Rules:
1. Setup
  At the beginning of the game, the deck is shuffled (with the booster, if one 
is used), and G$100 is given to each player. The players are seated in random 
order, and a player is selected at random to go first the first round.

2. Rounds
  Game play consists of one or more rounds. Each round consists of one or more 
proposals. A round ends when either all players are out of cards, the pot is 
empty, or all players agree to end the round.

3. The beginning of a round
  At the beginning of each round, each player must ante G$20 into the pot, or 
ante all of eir G$ into the pot and lose the game. All cards used during the 
previous round are shuffled into the deck, and each player with no hand is 
dealt five cards.

4. Making a proposal
  The player who makes a proposal is the player selected at random, for the 
first proposal, or the last player to play a card during the last proposal, for 
all other proposals. Making a proposal consists of setting aside some amount of 
the G$ in the pot (from none of it to all of it), naming a player to recieve 
the G$, and playing one or more cards onto the table. If the player who should 
make a proposal has no cards, the first player to have cards (going clockwise 
around the table) makes a proposal instead.

5. Voting on a proposal
  Going clockwise around the table starting with the player to the left of the 
player making the proposal, each player either plays one or more cards onto the 
table or passes. If all players pass consecutively, playing cards ends and the 
proposal is resolved.

6. The resolution of a proposal
  Resolving a proposal consists of counting the total votes for it and the 
total votes against it, multiplying by any multipliers, and then determining 
whether the number of for votes was greater than the number of against votes.

7. When a proposal passes
  If the number of for votes was greater than the number of against votes, the 
set aside G$ are given to the named player and an additional G$25 is given to 
each player who played a Bonus For card for each Bonus For card that player 
played. If the number of for votes was not greater, the set aside G$ are 
returned to the pot and no rewards for Bonus For cards are given.

8. Multipliers
  The Double For, Double Against, and Triple Against cards have the effect of 
multiplying the total number of votes of that type by the stated multiplier. 
This is cumulative, so if two Double For cards are played, the number of for 
votes is multiplied by four. The Self Double causes all votes played by the 
player who played it to be doubled, but does not affect other players' votes. 
Multiplier cards do not count as votes themselves.

9. Abstains
  Abstains do absolutely nothing.

10. Trading and collusion
  Players may trade cards or G$ at any time, and may make any deals they wish. 
Deals are strictly non-enforcable.

11. Referees
  Politics requires one referee. Referees recieve no rewards for refereeing, 
although they may charge an entry fee.

12. Winning
  The winner is the player with the most G$ when all but two players have lost. 
If both players have equal G$ when there are only two players left, or if they 
agree to a joint win, both of those players win.

13. Secrecy
  The cards a player possesses, but not their number, is secret.

14. Trophies
  If a game of Politics has at least four players, the winner receieves a 
trophy. If an Ackanomic Patriotic Ribbon is a defined type of trophy, that is 
the trophy given; otherwise, a standard trophy is given. If there are two 
winners, they each recieve a trophy if and only if the game had at least six 
players.

 

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Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:46:51 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Joining 

>Ace,
>
>Glad to have you aboard.  Sorry I am so long in replyiong to your mesage.
>I just got back from a weekend of waterskiing and fighting of mnosquitos.
>Anyway, I just need  two more things from you and I will introduce you to
>the group.
>
>#1) Your choice of status: Voting or nonvoting.
>
>#2) Your choice of lists: Regular, or digest versions.
>
>Send me this and I will sign you up.
>
>Mr. Lunatic Fringe
>Registrar

Uh, okay, umm, er, I meant to do this....

Mr. Lunatic Fringe
infected?

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:43:05 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Antimatter would have to resign, and Ben would have to be an active
> player for this to happen.  I do not believe Ben can be an active player
> until e chooses eir acka name, though.  Perhaps Antimatter wants to 
> be NAP swinger, though, I dunno.

I don't really, so:
I resign as NAP swinger.
- -------------------------------
Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:48:59 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C submissions

> This message contains two General Equipment Submissions and one Game
> Submission.

Each one requires a seperate endorsement.  Of course, it makes no
sense to endorse any number other than all or none of them, since the
G$ aren't really needed (because we have gamepoints already), but the
politics game would need them.

> General Equipment Submission: The Politics Deck & Politics Booster

I endorse.

> General Equipment Submission: Gamedollars

I endorse.

> Game Submission: Politics

I endorse.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:49:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> > Okay, here it is in Rule 1040, section III:  "Non-voting players are
> > eligible for all types of Swinger offices."  Whether this has the desired
> > precedence or not I don't know, but this may be another job for the CSR
> > Officer if so(since it _should_).
> 
> It may not, but that is something for you to check.  IAC, I automatically
> object to *any* CSR that changes the way the rules work.  IMO, CSRs
> should clarify the rules, not change them.  mr cwm was an excellent
> CSR in when and how he applied it.  Fixing precedence problems in the
> rules is a matter for voting, not CSR, IMO.

If it is known that a rule fails to work as intended because of precedence
problems, then I agree.  However, if a rule is considered to work a certain
way, and it is discovered that precedence problems do not in fact permit it
to work that way, then a CSR should take care of it.  IMHO.  That is, _I_
would not object to such a CSR.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry:Teenager
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
"Hi there, my name is Legion, and I'll be your server for this evening."

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:55:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Aaron Humphrey wrote:

> 
> > > The NAP Swinger needs to be an active player? 
> > 
> > It is a political office.  I will not appoint a non-active player
> > to a political office, unless you show me that such is legal. (Basically
> > I *think* political offices must be held by active players (or 
> > vacationing) players only, and I'm too lasy to look it up.
> 
> Okay, here it is in Rule 1040, section III:  "Non-voting players are
> eligible for all types of Swinger offices."  Whether this has the desired
> precedence or not I don't know, but this may be another job for the CSR
> Officer if so(since it _should_).

In my view, the very fac that there is debate over this issue implies that
I should not submit a CSR on the matter.  There doesn't seem to be game
custom one way or another on non-voting swingers.  The rule would seem to
intend for them to be possible, but that doesn't rule out the possibility
that other rules deliberately don't want it to be possible.  Finally, I'm
not sure if I like the idea too much, so i guess you're out of luck. =)

                                - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:00:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: NAP Swinger?

> > Okay, here it is in Rule 1040, section III:  "Non-voting players are
> > eligible for all types of Swinger offices."  Whether this has the desired
> > precedence or not I don't know, but this may be another job for the CSR
> > Officer if so(since it _should_).

Rule 401 says "Non-voting players may not hold offices unless a rule says
otherwise for a specific rule".  Which to me reads that it does defer, on
this matter, to specific rules describing offices which may be held by
non-voting players.

> In my view, the very fac that there is debate over this issue implies that
> I should not submit a CSR on the matter.  There doesn't seem to be game
> custom one way or another on non-voting swingers.  The rule would seem to
> intend for them to be possible, but that doesn't rule out the possibility
> that other rules deliberately don't want it to be possible.  Finally, I'm
> not sure if I like the idea too much, so i guess you're out of luck. =)

You do have a point.  CSRs do seem to be for when rules "do not conform in
fact to their interpretation in game custom".  If game custom is silent,
then the CSRR Officer is powerless.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry:Teenager
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
Committing the crime of taking your time

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