Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #181
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, July 7 1997         Volume 02 : Number 181

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:08:44 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Ad Hoc Committees

I seem to recall that Malenkai, to whom I was responding, was one of the
people asking where's the rudeness. No offense was intended, I was just
pointing out my impression that we were talking past each other.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> There has been some question as to which message from Niccolo Flychuck
> Alfvaen considered rude.  I suspect it was the one in which Niccolo wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Uri Bruck wrote:
> > Now it is obvious to me that you have not been reading any of my posts,
> 
> 	and
> 
> > > > > You can use the AMD.
> > Once again youi are responding to the wrong point. 
> 
> 	and
> 
> > Please refrain from using that patronizing tone with me.
> 
> I would never call a PM and in the past have always responded with an
> "E was polite", but I can see how these comments could be construed as
> unkind.  Mainly the first two.  I am surprised and pleased that no one
> else took these comments the wrong way.  Maybe we're finally getting
> used to one another.  :o)
> 
> I love this game.
> 
> - -- 
> Mohammed
> coming soon to irc
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:07:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Ping

Today is Sunday, the 6th day of July, in the Year of Our Lord
1997, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.  Since I
have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 8 times.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:11:16 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Repeals

On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Proposal 2208 -- repeal 346.  This is the {{braces}} rule.  
> Proposal 2209 -- repeal 903.  This is the Gumball
> Proposal 2210 -- repeal 911.  This is the Trombone
> Proposal 2211 -- repeal 913.  This is Parades
> Proposal 2212 -- repeal 1230* This is partychess
> 
> This should save *everyone* having to look this up.  Please, on repeals,
> quote the title to save everyone having to look it up.  Also, vote
> no on repeal of {{ }}; everyone uses them and they are much less work
> than the alternatives.
> 
> Malenkai
> Helpful

Point taken. On the quoting, not on the voting. I always found the double
braces a kludge and they make reading proposals very difficult. I'd much
rather do without them.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:16:58 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka : New Harf Swinger 

On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Mitchell Harding wrote:

> >I am extending the deadline by three days over the original deadline. 
> >This makes the deadline July 6 21:09 GMT
> >
> >Niccolo Flychuck
> >Chess-Umpire
> 
> Our new swinger is karma ([email-masked]). Please direct em to the Party
> Chess page so e can discover the current game state. 
> 
> Robert Sevin

http://www.actcom.co.il/~bruck/PartyChess/

with less than 12 hours to go.

Niccolo Flychuck
Chess Umpire

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:29:55 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2212

On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> follow the specifics of your discussion with Malenkai.  In general, it
> seemed to me that you want more inclusive groups, such as the 7 member
> AHCs, with random selection, as opposed to the Senate, which I would have
> to admit is one of the most exclusive groups (the Supreme Court being the
> most).  Smaller groups, even exclusive groups, are valuable though, they
> can get things done faster than larger groups, and if their members stick
> around for a long time, they become experienced in what they are dealing
> with.  The AHC committees are always going to ahve some element of
> confusion invloved in them, I think, because they are likely to include a
> few people who had never really cared or given much thought to the matter
> that is now at hand.  Not so with the Senate, or groups like it.

My arguments have always been and remain the following:
1. For action/decisions which are carried out often, there is
justification to have an Officer, or an Institution
2. Division of roles - either between existing Institutions, between
existing Institutions, and new Institutions created for the purpose( the
latter potentially creating work, depending on implementation), or by
using other methods.
3. AHCs are one form of such division, suitable for actions/decisions
which are not taken very often.

My proposals to change the Senate started after a Senator submitted a
proposal that, had it passed, would have required the Senate to approve
every proposal submitted to Internomic. This would have closed Internomic
even further from the populace. I thought that was in bad taste. It
demonstrated for me the dangers of giving the Senators unlimited terms.
Such terms were fine when the Senate wasn't doing much, but since then it
has gathered power, every little thing we do we assign to the Senate. Such
power should be moderated. One measure of Moderation is the Supreme Court.
I believe it is insufficiet, as the Justices are also unlimited term
appointeed, who apointements are approved by the Senate. A better measure
of Moderation would be refreshing the Senate every once in a while, hence
, term limits. I have nothing against any of the Senators personally. I
just feel that we are losing some sort of balance here.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 13:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSRR?

Did we ever have one appointed?  I know we had at lest two volunteers...

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:41:23 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  Pathfinder

- -----Original Message-----
From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Saturday, July 05, 1997 6:51 PM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Acka:  Pathfinder

Today of all days I miss not having access to the web most.  Have any of
you checked out the Pathfinder pictures NASA claims to be from a place
called Mars?  What a wonderful place,  if it really existed.

Voting Gnome

Gnome the pics r beautiful specially since I jus purchased a 4meg mystique 
video card, it's like being there! Why don't u have access to the web?

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:27:57 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: cell songs

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Brian Raiter [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Saturday, July 05, 1997 10:34 AM
To:	[email-masked]
Subject:	Re: Acka: Cell Descriptions + Murals

* Antimatter is is cell 1000000000000
* This one's simple for the songs #1 "10000000000000 bottles of beer on the wall"> #2 " 8675309Bottles of beer on the wall"
#3 " 4545Bottles of beer on the Wall" 
#4 "96 Bottles of beer on the Wall"
#5 "82 Bottles of beer on the Wall".
#6  I have to admit this last one has me stumped " 66" can't think of a single song it may be.

> All of the numbers are taken from popular songs (at least popular 
> enough for me to have heard them).  I will leave it to the curious
> to figure out the songs and which number is the bottom part of a
> twin prime :)

Well, all the numbers are even but 8675309 and 4545, and the latter is
obviously divisible by 5, so that takes care of the prime question.

The popular songs is another matter, for me at least.

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:26:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Dangling

I'm back.  All in all, for sixteen hours of driving(total), I don't think
it was quite worth it.  :-p  And I didn't get to check my email until now
anyway...ah, well.

> Guy Fawkes and Robert Sevin failed to pray.  A game action, such as
> a prayer, is impossible in Gaol unless it is on the list.  A CFJ 
> even established that public messages themselves were game actions,
> hence the allowance of 3 of them on the list.  IAC, the following
> buildings dangle as a result:
> 
> AZTEC GOD's house
> Revolving Shed [mr cwm]
> [Attilla the Pun's House]
> Ackanomic House of Pancakes [ThinMan]
> two-star's house

Well, we're safe from drought 'til January now...:-)

Now that I am back, I offer my services with the Gravitational Monopole.
Who would like to have their house reattached first?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Tommy Tuton:867-5309(Jenny)
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
I'm an antisolipsist--everybody exists except me.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:27:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants

> > The Beldin's Pants rule has eaten the 'Bascule's vacation lunchbag'.
> 
> This is wrong.  /dev/joe pointed out to me that it was donated after
> 12:00 on Thurs.  The 'loophole surfboard' is eaten instead.
> 
> #award museum : -1 loophole surfboard

Darn, and I was waiting for an "Art Thief" card to snag that one...:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Tommy Tuton:867-5309(Jenny)
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
I laughed, I cried, it was a Mecca of emotion.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:29:57 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Ad Hoc Committees

> heh, while I might agree that the comments above are impolite, I don't
> think they are what Alfvaen had in mind.  he was almost certinly
> responding to the message I sent about "Why does Niccolo hate the Senate,"
> and none of these quote had anything to do with that.  I think basicaly
> Alfvaen was headed out the door and didn't really think through how to do
> something like call a Politeness Moon.  I hope he doesn't take that the
> wrong way....

Yeah, you're more or less right.  I basically thought that NF's remarks
were a bit rude, and that the Party Chess repeal proposal was also rude
(but hey, if you're willing to sacrifice two points, or seven, to make a
point...:-).  I'm all better now, though.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Tommy Tutone:867-5309(Jenny)
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
Your treachery will bite into neither the shore nor the space between.

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:32:11 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cell Descriptions + Murals

> > Antimatter is is cell 1000000000000, its walls are green.
> > fnord is in cell 8675309, its walls are green.
> > Guy Fawkes is in cell 4545, its walls are green.
> > Rex Mundi is in cell 96, its walls are green.
> > Robert Sevin is in cell 82, its walls are harf.
> > two star is in cell 66, its walls are wall-coloured.

> > All of the numbers are taken from popular songs (at least popular 
> > enough for me to have heard them).  I will leave it to the curious
> > to figure out the songs and which number is the bottom part of a
> > twin prime :)

I think it's obvious from the Song In My Head on other posts that I
know what fnord's is.  "96 Tears" for Rex Mundi's?  The other ones I
confess have stumped even me.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Queen:The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
I've plummeted to my death and I can't get up!

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:34:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ping

> Today is Sunday, the 6th day of July, in the Year of Our Lord
> 1997, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.  Since I
> have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 8 times.

Well, I'm glad to see that I was right and my cron job is working
properly...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Queen:The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
Tiger, tiger, burning bright, how you save electric light

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:25:20 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato + Aliens

AZTEC G0D has received the mp this week.  I don't think that has
happened before.  The Tuba does not move.

Aliens:

1612
1892
1351

None of these are rules, prime numbers, or in any songs popular
enough for me to have heard and remember :-)

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 22:41:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Potato + Aliens

> AZTEC G0D has received the mp this week.  I don't think that has
> happened before.  The Tuba does not move.

> Aliens:
> 
> 1612
> 1892
> 1351
> 
> None of these are rules, prime numbers, or in any songs popular
> enough for me to have heard and remember :-)

Oh, c'mon..."The 1612 Overture"?  "In eighteen hundred ninety-two, Columbo
sailed the ocean blue"?  Something like that, anyway.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry:The Walking
Current Book--Dan Simmons:Hyperion
With a 1,2,3 we all go *SPUNG* together...

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 20:54:05 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Vacation 

I'm back from vacation.  Give me some time to read all my email :)

Mr. L. Fringe (Esquire)

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