Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #176
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Ackanomic Digest        Thursday, July 3 1997        Volume 02 : Number 176

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 19:37:46 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  It's not that simple

> In Zaire, she left him for chefs.

I believe the name of the country is now 'The People's Republic of the
Congo'.  Update your databases accordingly :-)

Malenkai
geography guru
on IRC

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Stuff happening (or not)

On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> I will attempt to appease the community, however, with the creation of a
> new trinket, with the name Practice Voodoo Economics, worth A$5, with the
> following text:
> 
> It's a ventriloquist's dummy that looks like Ronald Regean.  It's got pins
> stuck in it.
> 
> 
> I am offering this trinket to President Mohammed, with the express wish
> that he place it in The Cabinet.
> 
> 
>                                  - Vynd
> 
> [email-masked]
> 

I am reminding our president of this offer.  Can I jsut give it to him and
be done with it?  the concept of gift entities has always confused me
somewhat...

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:01:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: retraction

I am retacting Proposal 2190, seeing as how the rule it was going to
modify has been repealed.  I still think lamma and ptang-ptang are pretty
harfy words though.

#retract proposal 2190

                            - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:14:10 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Cheez-Whiz

The Cheez-Whiz auction is over.

#award malenkai : cheez-whiz
#award malenkai : -15 a$

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:34:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 417 fallout

CFJ 417's verdict makes proposals 2098, 2116, and 2118 pass which were
originally recorded as failing.  This changes scoring on all those props
and makes 3 rule changes that I hadn't recorded, though P2149 makes P2116's
rule change irrelevant.  (2098 creates rule 42, and 2118 expands foolishness
in R207.3, grrr...)  Robert Sevin also scored quite a few more points;
fortunately for my sanity, he didn't already win the cycle.

This also changes the bond dividends for June 23rd as shown below:

#award Alfvaen: -4 A$: dividend correction, A$34 (was A$38)
#award Antimatter: +3 A$: dividend correction, A$28 (was A$25)
#award Atilla the Pun: -6 A$: dividend correction, A$31 (was A$37)
#award Bascule: -3 A$: dividend correction, A$41 (was A$44)
#award breadbox: -5 A$: dividend correction, A$33 (was A$28)
#award Calvin N Hobbes: -6 A$: dividend correction, A$49 (was A$55)
#award /dev/joe: +5 A$: dividend correction, A$138 (was A$133)
#award Malenkai: +5 A$: dividend correction, A$139 (was A$134)
#award mr cwm: +2 A$: dividend correction, A$24 (was A$22)
#award Mr. Lunatic Fringe: -6 A$: dividend correction, A$60 (was A$66)
#award Niccolo Flychuck: +3 A$: dividend correction, A$38 (was A$35)
#award Robert Sevin: +24 A$: dividend correction, A$172 (was A$148)
#award Techno: -2 A$: dividend correction, A$49 (was A$51)
#award ThinMan: +6 A$: dividend correction, A$90 (was A$84)
#award two-star: +6 A$: dividend correction, A$32 (was A$26)
#award Vynd: -6 A$: dividend correction, A$58 (was A$64)

In other news:

#award Darth Vader: +960 A$: returned from undead Clairence
#award Darth Vader: +100 PFDarth Vader: returned from undead Clairence
#award Ben: +636 A$: starting cash (A$ 17147/27)
#award Ben: +100 PFBen: starting bonds
#award Alfvaen: +625 A$: mentoring

/dev/joe
Harf-reharfer

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:42:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 417 fallout

On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> 
> In other news:
> 
> #award Darth Vader: +960 A$: returned from undead Clairence
> #award Darth Vader: +100 PFDarth Vader: returned from undead Clairence
> #award Ben: +636 A$: starting cash (A$ 17147/27)
> #award Ben: +100 PFBen: starting bonds
> #award Alfvaen: +625 A$: mentoring

Err, I think this last one is a bit off...

> 
> /dev/joe
> Harf-reharfer
> 

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]
Expert in Mistakes

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 19:44:29 -0700
From: **Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 417 fallout

> #award Alfvaen: +625 A$: mentoring

hmm. Who were the other 24 new players, and why didn't I get assigned 
any? :)

**two-star

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:13:06 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : HArf Swinger and Party Chess

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Uri Bruck [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Wednesday, July 02, 1997 5:29 PM
To:	Ackanomic
Subject:	acka : HArf Swinger and Party Chess

Now that Bascule has left, I'd like to remind the Harf party that its
Swinger Office is vacant, and it is the Harf Swinger's turn in Party
Chess. The turn deadline is less tha 24 hours away, if the Party members
want an extension, they should ask for it _before_ the turn deadline.

Niccolo Flychuck
Chess-Umpire

I would request an extension but that's just me 

- -karma (harf party swinger to be)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:24:08 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: re: acka cfj 417 fallout 

Where's my cut of the action in this redistribution of binds
- -karma

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:31:58 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: BWG

"Not It!"
Come to IRC :)

Malenkai
Wizard

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:34:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Monopole

> >Mr. Sevin, may I have my Gravitational Monopole back, please?  Just in case
> >we happen to need some houses reattached this month...
> 
> #transfer Robert Sevin, Alfvaen: Gravitational Monopole : returning

My thanks for having kept this when I thought it might be possible I was
going to blow myself.  I ack this return exchange.  And you can keep the
Miniature Tower Replica.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Frank Mills:The Twentieth Anniversay: Together Through The Years
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
With great weakness goes great irresponsibility.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:33:18 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Re acka the shop that karma built

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Joseph W. DeVincentis [SMTP:[email-masked]]
Sent:	Sunday, June 29, 1997 3:15 AM
To:	Michael James
Subject:	Re: Re acka the shop that karma built

> I am now officially building a cramped store which is called "Canines
> Tattoo Parlour" on area k9 on the map which i bought for a song. any player
> may come here and get a peel off tattoo made and provide a description if
> they wish for 200A($) and I will buy them back at any time later than 3
> days for 185A($) as long as they r not too badly desecrated or disfigured
> from there original state.
> 
> -Karma (Tattoo You)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:53:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 417 fallout

> > #award Alfvaen: +625 A$: mentoring
> 
> Err, I think this last one is a bit off...

Mind your own business!  If /dev/joe wants to slip me a little under the
table from the Treasury, that's his own lookout.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
I have engaged the enemy.  The wedding is this Saturday.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:55:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: harf

As i mourn the passing of Thatcher, and his friends wibble and ni!  I
cannot help but wonder if the harf has gone out of the world along with
them.  So many proposal, and so little harf, this last week or so.  Still,
as I peruse them i find that there is indeed one proposal which truly
desrves to be harfy.  It's mine, of course, so I can't designate it as
such, but I'll go ahead and declare Proposal 2191 Zur-somethingorother as
harfy instead.  may Thatcher rise again!

                              - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:55:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  It's not that simple

> Proposal 2196 (The condition my condition is in.) would lift the ban
> on conditional proposals, but I think it goes a little too far.
> 
> Most conditional proposals are okay, but there are some evil corner
> cases that *must* be addressed.  I remember this because one of my
> first proposals after joining the game attempted to add a mechanism
> for conditional proposals.  (It failed, of course.)

Perhaps it would work if conditional proposals were allowed _only_ on the
proviso that the result depend on whether another proposal already in the
queue passed or failed?

> "(Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or meaningless effects are ignored.
> Conditional effects that depend on information that is not publicly
> knowable at the time of application are ignored.)"

How about:

"(Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or meaningless effects are ignored.
Conditional effects that depend on anything other than the acceptance or
non-acceptance of proposals in the queue at the time of submission
are ignored.)"

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
Miscellaneous is always the largest category. --Slovotsky

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:57:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Default Votes

> I agree entirely.  If I ahve voted PRESENT on something, it means that I
> read the proposal, and decided I didn't really care if it passed or not.
> When I've abstained, it means that I either missed it somehow, or was so
> cunfused by it that I decided to leave it out of my latest batch of votes
> for later review (and then probably forgot or didn't have the time).

Myself, I use PRESENT votes for the above situation, but also when I am
absolutely ambivalent as to whether I want it to pass or not.  For
instance, the "Xenophobia" proposal a while ago, when I could see the
viewpoint of both those who wanted the Aliens and who wanted them to go
away, I ended up voting PRESENT on because I couldn't make up my mind.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
Unanimous is a mouse with a single horn in its forehead.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:01:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 415 Appeal Verdict

> CFJ 415 has been overturned to FALSE.  /dev/joe is penalized 1 point.
> In the words of breadbox: "This. Was. Hard.".  The reasoning is longer
> than the appeal reasoning :)
> 
> Alfvaen has no Pulse Lasers, and has some trinkets named "Military Laser *".

Oh, well, I was going to auction them off for money or bury them as
treasure or something, but I can live without them.  Besides, I managed to
bilk karma out of a bunch of money for K9...but hey, as long as we both
feel that we've gotten the better part of the deal...

I also love the reasoning on this one, and think that, if such things were
possible, the Supreme Court should get a Silver Moon nomination for this
one.

(And Robert Sevin's Ackanomic tour hat, while we're at it...)

> "Hand-held Military laser"? Surely the extra detail doesn't alter the
> fact that it is unambiguously a Military laser. Right? So what about
> the "Military laser-gun", the "Military laser-rifle", and the
> "Military laser-emitting weapon"? What about the "Army laser", the
> "Marine Corps photon blaster", and "Private Pip's coherent-light
> emitter"? If none of the above phases you, then what about "Martial
> light weapon"? Does that refer to a Military laser or nunchaku?

I'm _very_ close to creating "Private Pip's coherent-light emitter".  But
not quite.  :-)

> For those who would argue that everything was fine until the words
> "Military laser" stopped appearing in the name, consider these
> potential new entities: the "Paramilitary laser", the "Anti-Military
> laser", the "Non-Military laser sight", the "Military laser power
> supply", and the "Music of the Military laser light show".

ROFL!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
Danger, dare to be grand.

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:02:15 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  It's not that simple

> Perhaps it would work if conditional proposals were allowed _only_ on the
> proviso that the result depend on whether another proposal already in the
> queue passed or failed?

This is going too far, IMHO.  Since *any* conditional can be done *anyway*
in the {{braces}}, with the same problems that have been discussed,
all of this seems a bit hair-splitting to me.  While I agree with
Mohammed's argument in principle, two-star's amendment is ideal for
all practical purposes.  We can always vote no on a proposal with
the alleged questionable language: "If Malenkai ate sushi today then
make the following amendments...".  These aren't real problems.  Vote
YES for two-star's proposal.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 00:14:49 -0400
From: "Michael James" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re : acka new mailerYeeecchhh!

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Hows this guys? (Sigh) any comments may be forwarded to my cobweb email
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:31:58 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Death And Destruction

Well, since I now have a bunch of disposable trinkets in the form of the
Military laser 1-10, I am destroying the Monument to Futility Ticket #5 for
money.

#destroy Alfvaen: Monument to Futility Ticket #5: cash

And for various reasons, including the fact that I've never done it before,
that I have to protect valuable things from the depredations of Beldin's
Parka, and of course for historical reasons, I am going to the Museum and
donating Military laser 9.

#transfer Alfvaen, Museum: Military laser 9: donation

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
This is a perfect world; I'm riding on an incline

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:41:24 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadgets

> In continued compliance with the Destination Moon rule, I am
> building a Silver Spaceship.  It will be done in 3 days.

This is complete.  An auction now starts.  Feel free to bid to the
moon.  Do we have any moons other than 'Silver' and 'Politeness'?

Malenkai
Wizard

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:52:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadgets

> > In continued compliance with the Destination Moon rule, I am
> > building a Silver Spaceship.  It will be done in 3 days.
> 
> This is complete.  An auction now starts.  Feel free to bid to the
> moon.  Do we have any moons other than 'Silver' and 'Politeness'?

I believe that "Kansas" is defined as a moon in the Blue Cross rule now.
"Destination Moon" itself may have been repealed, though.

I will bid A$10 on the Silver Spaceship.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Carly Simon:Have You Seen Me Lately?
Current Book--Tanith Lee:East of Midnight
$2.50 for a decade, and a buck and a half for a year

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