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Ackanomic Digest        Tuesday, June 24 1997        Volume 02 : Number 160

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:57:55 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 416 (Rex Mundi)

Rex Mundi has been picked.

Clerk of the Courts
Wearing a headache
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Call For Judgment 416
  Subject: Financial
Initiator: /dev/joe
    Judge: Rex Mundi (selected Jun 23, 1997, 20:57h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

At Monday, June 23, 1997, noon Acka time, the bond dividends are
calculated and the richest and poorest players are determined and 2%
of the richest player's currency is calculated, and then both the
dividend payments and the Rule 2101 payment happen simultaneously.

/dev/joe Reasoning:

Background:  Both events are said to occur at the same time.  Rule 2101
has the 2% currency transfer thing.  Rule 508 has the dividends.
Rule 2101 just says it happens on Monday, but rule 380 says that when a
day of the week is specified but no time of day is specified, the action
happens at noon.  Neither of these specifies a time zone so rule 380
makes both occur at noon EDT.

There are three cases I can imagine.

Case I:
Rule 508 and Rule 2101 are treated as conflicting rules, both trying to do
something at once.  Rule 508 wins the conflict, so it does its thing and
then Rule 2101 does its thing.  [This is the opposite of the statement.]

Case II:
Same as case I, but Rule 380 specifies the time for the event in Rule 2101,
and thus it takes precedence over Rule 508.

Case III:
The case described in the statement.  The dividends and R2101 payment are
calculated simultaneously before either takes effect, and then both
transfers happen at once.  This has the same result as case II, since
the bond dividend doesn't depend on the players' A$ balances.  I think
there's a little game custom that would lead to this being the expected
result, but regardless of which way I do it somebody's going to question
it, so I might as well make the CFJ first, right?

[Note: This actually matters, or at least might matter.  I donated all my
A$ to Seleya before noon acka time today, so that I would have A$0 when
the R2101 effect happened.  However, I then noticed that bond dividends
happen at the same time, and I will earn enough dividends to pass some
other players, especially with both myself and Voting Gnome benefiting
from the Whamiols *and* the one-time return of points from the removal
of Eggplant Weights.  In the no-Azpiazu thread, I'm getting over A$160
in dividends, which is *still* less than what Robert Sevin is getting.]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:32:05 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: W-File Report

Last week's W-File report is late, and Krykek has committed a
Crime.

I will pick a Krykek for this week if no one volunteers over 
the next few hours.

Malenkai
Krykek-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: AZTEC GOD 

Kinda Lunatic,

aztec g0d.aol.com   
like that

AZTEC GOD

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:01:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

>Last week's W-File report is late, and Krykek has committed a
>Crime.

I believe Alfvaen published it under "Four visitors: A Report". It's posted
on my web pages.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:02:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

Obviously not private enough.

Drats.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:03:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

>Obviously not private enough.
>
>Drats.

I mean... huh... I meant to do that.    : (

CnH

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:05:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

> I believe Alfvaen published it under "Four visitors: A Report". It's posted
> on my web pages.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered 6/16, 04:46.  I wasn't aware that the
duty could be transferred.  My apologizies.

Malenkai
incompetent Krykek-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

>> I believe Alfvaen published it under "Four visitors: A Report". It's posted
>> on my web pages.
> 
> Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered 6/16, 04:46.  I wasn't aware that the
> duty could be transferred.  My apologizies.

Excuse me! *I* published "Four Visitors: A Report", thank you very
much. And that was for the previous abduction, not the one that
Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered for.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:11:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

>Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered 6/16, 04:46.  I wasn't aware that the
>duty could be transferred.  My apologizies.

I seem to remember this actually... I think the multiple thread thing just
struck again, Alfvaen was nominated in the second (?) thread. Perhaps you
know which thread is which? I'm afraid I'm getting lost in all this.

>Malenkai
>incompetent Krykek-Harfer

Certainly more competent than I, t'would seem.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:13:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: AZTEC GOD 

At 10:01 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Kinda Lunatic,
>
>aztec g0d.aol.com   
>like that

To send him e-mail, though, you need to take out the space. AOL allows
spaces in their screen names, but e-mail addresses cannot have spaces.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:14:38 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

> I seem to remember this actually... I think the multiple thread thing just
> struck again, Alfvaen was nominated in the second (?) thread. Perhaps you
> know which thread is which? I'm afraid I'm getting lost in all this.

I don't remember Alfvaen volunteering.  I also do not think it depends
on the threads.  Perhaps there was a thread on whether that God rule
was accepted, but that has collaped.  IAC, hopefully Alfvaen will let
us know if he volunteered.

Malenkai
confused Krykek-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:13:03 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IRC SPAM

Come to IRC!

<ducks>
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: AZTEC GOD 

Hey 
Now that i look at all the mail coming to me from outside AOL it seems that
my real e-mail address is

aztecg0d

without the space.

I think that clears that up.  = )

AZTEC GOD

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:36:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Apology

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Mitchell Harding wrote:

> >I fear, Mr. Sevin, that you have committed a crime by posting an apology
> >longer than the proscribed 13 lines.  This is gonna cost you 1,000,000,000
> >Points.
> 
> I told you, I'm a criminal. You just can't correct the criminal mind without
> severe punishment. As Mr Lunatic Fringe kindly pointed out, even my
> penitence was illegal.
> 
> Robert Sevin
> 
> 

The CFCJ rule list public apologies of "X or more" lines as legal
sentences.  I would be inclined to interpet any sentences handed down as
specifying only the minimum number of lines required, given this fact, but
that's just me.

                                 - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Public Apology

>>> I fear, Mr. Sevin, that you have committed a crime by posting an apology
>>> longer than the proscribed 13 lines.  This is gonna cost you 1,000,000,000
>>> Points.
>> 
>> I told you, I'm a criminal. You just can't correct the criminal
>> mind without severe punishment. As Mr Lunatic Fringe kindly pointed
>> out, even my penitence was illegal.
>> 
>> Robert Sevin
> 
> The CFCJ rule list public apologies of "X or more" lines as legal
> sentences.  I would be inclined to interpet any sentences handed down as
> specifying only the minimum number of lines required, given this fact, but
> that's just me.

More to the point, section 7d says: "If the penalty includes a PUBLIC
APOLOGY, Player X is required to post a public message of at least the
court-required length apologizing for his criminal ways."

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:45:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

Ok. Ok. Ok.

On the 15th, Malenkai nominates breadbox (not Alfvaen, who is usually
everywhere, but not there it turns out).
On the 19th, breadbox returns a W-File report with the subject line "Four
Visitors: A Report".

I don't have anything else, couldn't find anything else in the FTP archives.
Doesn't mean much though.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> > I believe Alfvaen published it under "Four visitors: A Report". It's posted
> > on my web pages.
> 
> Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered 6/16, 04:46.  I wasn't aware that the
> duty could be transferred.  My apologizies.

Actually, the confusin here is becaue there were two reports due, one for
last week and one for the week before that.  I believe Alfvaen had the
week before last, and Mr Lunatic Fringe has last week.

                               - Vynd

> 
> Malenkai
> incompetent Krykek-Harfer
> 

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:41:04 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2165

> Proposal 2165
> Fire Bad!
> Vynd
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Ammend Rule 597 by adding the following text to the end of part i) :
> 
> The sentence is also invalid if it contains any of the following words:
> fire, flame, smoke, flammable, inflammable, burning, seared, soot, ashes,
> charcoal, barbeque, campfire, bonfire, roast, toast, ignited, torch

This proposal does not appear to contain an "approved silly word".  The
list of such words is in rule 2096.  I guess its invalid then, although
rule 2096 is unclear as to what effects it actually has on the proposal.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:55:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Harf

I was talking to Thatcher today.  He wanted me to tell you that Proposal
2143 is Harfy.  I wasn't sure at first, but then I realized that I didn't
understand the proposal at all, and we all know what that means...   harfy
it is!

                             - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:58:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 2165

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> > Proposal 2165
> > Fire Bad!
> > Vynd
> > 
> > This is a Modest proposal.
> > 
> > Ammend Rule 597 by adding the following text to the end of part i) :
> > 
> > The sentence is also invalid if it contains any of the following words:
> > fire, flame, smoke, flammable, inflammable, burning, seared, soot, ashes,
> > charcoal, barbeque, campfire, bonfire, roast, toast, ignited, torch
> 
> This proposal does not appear to contain an "approved silly word".  The
> list of such words is in rule 2096.  I guess its invalid then, although
> rule 2096 is unclear as to what effects it actually has on the proposal.

Heh, you'd think I would have taken Phoebe's advice by now...

> 
> Malenkai
> 

                           - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:02:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: acrobot: retraction

I retract Proposal 2165, assuming it wasn't killed because it was invalid.

#retract 2165

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:14:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Azpiazu Thread finances

I'd just like to applaud /dev/joe for his tremendous work in being able to
keep up with both threads.  My head would be spinning by now.  I informally
request that some gesture of appreciation be made.  A poem by the Poet
Laureate or something.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Sophie B. Hawkins:Tongues And Tails
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:King's Blood Four
Stop in the name of all that does not suck!!

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:17:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

> >> I believe Alfvaen published it under "Four visitors: A Report". It's posted
> >> on my web pages.
> > 
> > Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered 6/16, 04:46.  I wasn't aware that the
> > duty could be transferred.  My apologizies.
> 
> Excuse me! *I* published "Four Visitors: A Report", thank you very
> much. And that was for the previous abduction, not the one that
> Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered for.

Heh.  Believe me, I was surprised as you to be credited with it, though I
would be glad to have written it.  (I'd volunteer for Krykecking myself,
but I think being someone who hates the X-Files would make it more
difficult.  If I am selected randomly, though, I will serve...)

However, given the circumstances, I think breadbox and I should be Evil
Twins.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Sophie B. Hawkins:Tongues And Tails
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:King's Blood Four
As the miniature horse salesman said, 'Every little bit helps.'

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:21:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Azpiazu Thread finances 

>I'd just like to applaud /dev/joe for his tremendous work in being able to
>keep up with both threads.  My head would be spinning by now.  I informally
>request that some gesture of appreciation be made.  A poem by the Poet
>Laureate or something.

Aye Aye! I was dizzy. I'll pay the Poet Laureate A$10 for a good poem,
doubling that if it does justice to the event it is to depict.

CnH
wondering why the dip judge would crash at the same time

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:20:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report )

> > I seem to remember this actually... I think the multiple thread thing just
> > struck again, Alfvaen was nominated in the second (?) thread. Perhaps you
> > know which thread is which? I'm afraid I'm getting lost in all this.
> 
> I don't remember Alfvaen volunteering.  I also do not think it depends
> on the threads.  Perhaps there was a thread on whether that God rule
> was accepted, but that has collaped.  IAC, hopefully Alfvaen will let
> us know if he volunteered.

As I said in another message, I have ideological objections to volunteering
as Krykec.  :-)  However, I could unofficially keep track of Krykecs if
others are losing track...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Sophie B. Hawkins:Tongues And Tails
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:King's Blood Four
All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:24:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

>> Excuse me! *I* published "Four Visitors: A Report", thank you very
>> much. And that was for the previous abduction, not the one that
>> Mr. Lunatic Fringe volunteered for.
>
>Heh.  Believe me, I was surprised as you to be credited with it, though I
>would be glad to have written it.

I think everyone would have liked to have written it. What a great piece
that was.

CnH
hailing breadbox, maestro conspiratorio!

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:52:02 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Awards 

>
>Wait a minute. You're telling me that two observers left not because
>this game generates 100 messages a day, not because the rules
>encompass half a megabyte of Byzantine interdependencies, but because
>some of the players complain about whimsical proposals?
>
>breadbox

No I'm saying that two (or more) observers left because the game creates
160 messages a day, because of the complexity and interdependencies, and
because no ne wants to play a game where everyone is rude to each other.

Mr. Fringe

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:14:00 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Politeness Moon 

>A Politeness Moon has been called against Malenkai on the re-quoted
>content below.  The valid responses are:

>No, it was not Polite

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:32:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: private: question: important ( W-File Report ) 

>I'd volunteer for Krykecking myself,
>but I think being someone who hates the X-Files would make it more
>difficult.

Heretic!    : )

Oh, I understand... look at the name! It's a cover up! Part of the alien
conspiracy!
Alfvaen: "Alf" = the alien from the tv show, "vaen" = in disguise.     ; )

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

CnH
screaming, running for his life

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:44:38 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: acrobot 

#active mr cwm

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:51:25 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Calling (Markovians) 

>
>Alfvaen
>
>I have not see your formal acceptance into the Church. However, I believe we
>all agree to let you join up. I also believe our founder and prophet needs
>to announce this publicly.
>
>CnH

I hereby announce this publically.  Alfvaen has joined the one true church.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:49:57 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acrobot

Phil Ackley <[email-masked]> wrote:
> #active mr cwm

I accuse Mr. Lunatic Fringe of having (gasp!) snowgod's disease. This is a 
public health EMERGENCY.
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