Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #142
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, June 16 1997         Volume 02 : Number 142

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:19:58 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 411 (CV1701)

CV1701 has been picked.

Clerk of the Courts
Wearing a goofy wizard's hat with stars and moons on it
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Call For Judgment 411
  Subject: Losing CFJs
Initiator: Robert Sevin
    Judge: CV1701 (selected Jun 16, 1997, 01:19h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

The following two events are not equivalent:
Initiating a CFJ and having it judged false.
Losing a CFJ.

Robert Sevin's Reasoning:

I'm not sure what it means to lose a CFJ, but I don't think CFJs are a
contest that can be won or lost depending on the judgement given.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:32:14 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato + Aliens

Mr. Lunatic Fringe, while *still* looking for his lost hat, as 
found the Magic Potato this time, and has the privelege of playing
Beldin's Tailor.

Aliens:

2003
 407 <-- "Web-Harfer"

I Kyrcek will be chosen if no one volunteers after the volunteer period
ends.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:38:03 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 411 (CV1701)

Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
> CV1701 has been picked.
  ^^^^^^
Hmmm.

> Call For Judgment 411
> Statement:
> 
> The following two events are not equivalent:
> Initiating a CFJ and having it judged false.
> Losing a CFJ.
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Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 135 Appeal (SC)

So, ThinMan, welcome once again. Do you happen to have any input on
the CFCJ 135 appeal?

Regardless of Malenkai's appeal reasoning, I do think that the penalty
is quite excessive, especially seeing as how he scammed Organized
Crime. More to the point, since the money he took was from an
independent Organization, and not the Treasury, I am inclined to drop
the monetary penalty entirely. I am also not entirely favorable to
punishing a legal scam through the medium of a CFCJ on a (necessarily
separate) Crime.

Another point on this line, which Malenkai did not address, is that
the Organized Crime rule says:

> 2. Publicly admitting to belonging to the Narfalone Family is a
> crime, punishable by no more than 5 days in gaol.

I read this as saying that *only* gaol sentences can be imposed, as
well as setting an upper limit of 5 days. Of course, I doubt whether
this clause actually has any effect, but just using it as a rule of
thumb....

Thoughts?

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:57:08 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Simple. 

Whilst wand'ring through the dimpled fields
Where golfers play their sordid game
I spied a tiny match-a-box
Which bore the insect Phoebe's name
And she (the shame!) ask me for tips
On passing time from slip to fall
And thus spake Alfonse, clear and true
"The Earth is shaped ROUND - like a ball."

Al
6.16.97

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: proto-RFC on Alignments

>In INWO (the new Illuminati card game), one's alignment is changed by a
>player playing a "Plot" card. Hmm...
>
>Plot Card = Otzma Card?
>
>We could EASILY work the Otzma cards into this system. How about players'
>alignments affecting their party chess pieces?

  I'm just a pawn in you're little game!
  ... I like it.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

>> I apologise to Malenkai for causing offence with the verdict of CFCJ
>> 135.
>
>It caused *no* offense to me.  I wish people would stop playing 
>mind-reader and assume everything offends me.

  Offended?  :-)

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:30:20 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Payment

I hereby give Mohammed A$ 45.

#transfer ThinMan, Mohammed: 45 A$: for services rendered

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:03:24 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: burying the machine _now_

Malenkai wrote:

[Guy Fawkes (?) wrote:]
> > In the past, messages of this sort have been pointed out, and the 
> > author has resent it with the correct header. 
> 
> This is false.  I notice almost all of them, and ignore them as a 
> matter of grace, as does anyone who is filering mail on subject line.
> 
I certainly do just as Malenkai describes, and rarely complain about
missing or misspelled "Acka" in subject lines.

> I think Acka wants "Acka" in the subject line to filter the large
> volume
> of e-mail, not play these sorts of games, and not to worry about the
> header, sender, subject line, etc of each e-mail.
> 
Hear, Hear!

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:54:44 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  P2059 accepted (Amung Gods)

Vynd wrote:

> > Proposal 2059
> > Amung Gods
> > CV1701
> > Distributed at 03:00:20 on Sunday, 8 June 1997
> 
> OK, I admit it, the first thing I did when I saw this proposal passed
> was
> drop dead in suprise.  I was only mostly dead, thought, as it turned
> out,
> and I've now had a chance to review the rule.  I don't think it's
> really
> all that bad, just a few oddities that aren't that suprising
> considering
> that this was one of CV1701's first proposals.  A few simple
> ammendments,
> which I may well submit after I finish writting this, would patch it
> up
> nicely.
> 
I was also rather surprised.  If I don't see your amendments soon, then
I may submit some myself.

> >        2) A person has "GOD" status when they have been deemed
> enlightened,
> > hold a  public office, have donated to any organization in Ackanomic
> and must
> > have created at least one trinket or gaget. They must be a voting
> player, who
> > has lost no CFJs in the current cycle.
> 
> OK, I don't know how one "loses" a CFJ.  If CV1701 means had a CFJ
> that
> one called ruled FALSE, then I think that would be reasonable.  I
> don't
> know if that's realy what he had in mind though.
> 
Equating "losing" a CFJ with having it judged false is _playable_ but
not, IMO, reasonable.  It is not too uncommon for a player to submit
a CFJ with a statement worded so that he expects it to be judged false.
Alternatively, sometimes a CFJ is submitted because the submitter just
has no clue about the truth or falsehood of the statement.  I think
the CFJ bit should be dropped entirely.

> >        3) To become a "GOD"  a player must meet the requirements
> above and be
> > abel to provide documentation of the trinket or gadget, that they
> were deemed
> > enlightened, and that they hold a public office. They must then
> submit a
> > statement, along with the approiate documentation, to the speaker
> requesting
> > the rank of "GOD". The speaker then must destribute a notice of
> this. If
> > anyone has an objection to this player becoming a "GOD" they may
> publicly say
> > so and the matter will be brought to a CFJ. All objections must be
> processed
> > with in 5 days of the decloration of "GOD" request. If they are not,
> all are
> > rendered null and void.
> 
> This could probably be folded into the previous paragraph, a lot of it
> is
> just verifying that the conditions described in 2 have been met.  the
> whole buisness about objections being brought to a CFJ should probably
> go
> though.  I think the intent here is simply to allow people to
> challenge
> someone's eligibility as a "GOD" via a CFJ.  This is all provided for
> by
> the rules on CFJs, however, and need not be stated here.  This is
> particularly true since, as has already been pointed out, the wording
> in
> this rule is such that exactly who is calling the CFJ is rather hard
> to
> determine.  The 5 day deadline and null and void bit are also rather
> ambiguous, what does "processed" mean here, and what exactly is
> annulled?
> 
I wholly agree.

> >        4) When someone passes the scrutiny described above they are
> given
> > "GOD" status with all the rights and privliges there of.
> > 
> >        5) "GOD" hood lasts for the duration of the current cycle.
> > 
> >        6) A "GOD" has the ablilty to change a universal constant. If
> a GOD
> > submits a proposal  they have the advantage of only needing 3/8 of
> the vote
> > to pass a proposal as opposed to the standard 1/2.
> 
> Well, Universal Constants didn't pass, so references to them should
> probably be removed.  The standard for a proposal passing is actually
> 3/5th, I thought.  Unfortunately for "GOD"s, there's nothing in this
> rule that gives it precedence over the normal voting rules, so I don't
> think this part actually goes into effect. =)
> 
Good point.  That bit had me worried for a few minutes, but Vynd is
right: R2059 does not have the precedence to change the criteria for
proposal acceptance.

> >        7) "GOD" Status wears off if a person passes 2 proposals with
> only 3/8
> > as defined in section 6.
> > 
> >        8) A person cannot become a God twice in one cycle.
> > 
> >        9) Only a "GOD" Can change this rule.
> 
> Oops.  Guess I won't be submitting an ammendment soon after all.
> Well,
> perhaps Malenkai or /dev/joe can take a whack at it.  All in all, I
> must
> say that seeing this proposal pass is the biggest shock I've had since
> I
> discovered the Earth was round.  Still, it should be fun, once it gets
> cleaned up a little bit.
> 
By the same precedence argument that applies to the proposal acceptance
criterion, the restriction on who can change the rule has no force.
Moreover, it is debatable whether a player who writes a proposal to
amend a rule can in fact be said to have himself changed it (should
the proposal pass).

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:56:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Creation of a Trinket

> I am creating a trinket. It is an adhesive capital letter H, which can be
> placed on my forehead conveniently. It has a value of A$2 and is colored
> gold. It is named Adhesive Capital H
> 
> #trinket Robert Sevin : Adhesive Capital H : 2 : ?

Can we just call you "Rimmer" now?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Billy Joel:You May Be Right
Current Book--Jo Clayton:The Snares of Ibex
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:05:03 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Treasures Found

Malenkai wrote:

[Glug wrote:]
> > Can u describe the gizz ? maybe I can do something about it.
> > Wow I actually sensed some sort of emotion from u in this message,
> > very unvulcanlike.
> 
> Well no, because my mailer GPFs when replying to your messages, and
> does not display the gizz.  Netscape, when viewing your mail in the
> "in" folder, claims it is type application/ms-tnef with base64
> encoding,
> and asks me if I want to download it, which I do not wish to.
> 
I do not see the gizz in my mailer (MS-Exchange), but I do see the
messages complete with formatting, colors, fonts, underlining, etc..  I
therefore assume that Glug's mailer is sending messages in MS RTF.  I
thought that RTF was supposed to be transparent to mailers that don't
understand it (being coded as a pseudo-attachment, or something like
that), but clearly Malenkai's mailer is not handling the messages in
question correctly.

Glug:
I suggest that you check your mailer's send options, perhaps for
specific addresses, and turn off sending in RTF or in any other
formatting-control format.

ThinMan 

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:21:43 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Treasures Found

I wrote:

> but clearly Malenkai's mailer is not handling the messages in
> question correctly.
> 
By that I meant only that Malenkai's mailer (and probably other
people's as well) are not ignoring the formatting information attached
to the message.  Calling something "incorrect" can sometimes be taken
the wrong way.  Besides, who am I to say what is "correct" in the
situation at hand?

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:56:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasures Found

ThinMan wrote:
> I do not see the gizz in my mailer (MS-Exchange), but I do see the
> messages complete with formatting, colors, fonts, underlining, etc..  I
> therefore assume that Glug's mailer is sending messages in MS RTF.  I
> thought that RTF was supposed to be transparent to mailers that don't
> understand it (being coded as a pseudo-attachment, or something like
> that), but clearly Malenkai's mailer is not handling the messages in
> question correctly.

Wow, there's actually one player who could read the gizz. :-)

Yes, the gizz shows up as a MIME file attachment, though I didn't
see anything that would read the file.  I don't know why Malenkai's
mailer barfed on it.

I read mail in elm, which doesn't handle MIME mail, so I just see the
base64 encoded gizz at the bottom of the messages -- but it doesn't crash.
A newer version of elm does handle MIME mail, but I haven't upgraded,
simply because I don't receive a lot of MIME mail, and I can pipe those
messages through metamail to decode the attachments, and I can send MIME
mail from pine if I really have to (but I like elm better, in general).

Karma also tried to send me a picture for the gallery, initially without
success, but finally he managed to send me MIME mail with the file attached.
But it's in a weird form; he said it was a corel draw file.  I linked it
to his name on the gallery page, rather than including it in-line, on the
assumption that most browsers won't be able to display it directly either.
If anybody out there can make a nice GIF or JPEG out of that file and send
it to me, I'd appreciate it (and I think Karma would appreciate it too).

/dev/joe

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Date: 16 Jun 1997 12:27:52 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: burying the machine _now_ 

AC>> AC>As was pointed out earlier, "Ack" is a typo/misspelling of "Acka" and
AC>> AC>corrected automagically by the rules.
AC>>
AC>> "Ack" is a misspelling of the word "Acka" but the correct spelling of
AC>> "Ack".  Since the spelling rule only applies to errors, while this was
AC>> not an error, it does not apply to this incident.  In the past, messages
AC>> of this sort have been pointed out, and the author has resent it with
AC>> the correct header.  Or they have gone unnoticed and been corrected by
AC>> retroactivity.

AC>Rule 340 ("Spelling Errors") says:

AC>  If there are spelling errors in any Ackanomic document, including Rules,
AC>  Proposals, and Call for Judgements, and the spelling error is unambiguous,
AC>  then the mispelled word shall be treated as if it were spelled correctly.

AC>"Ack" *is* a misspelling of "Acka".  It may also be a word on its own,
AC>but the context makes it clear that "Acka" was intended -- the message was
AC>just that one letter away from (otherwise) being a proper public message
AC>containing a valid public action.  The Spelling rule fixes the error.

If it is a matter of intent, I assure you that "Ack" was intended.
However, since I see that some players are taking certain completely
legal uses of the public message rules as abuses, and are becoming
insulted by this, I am willing to let the matter drop.

If this is considered distasteful, I apologize.  It is not my intent to
insult people.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:46:48 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasures Found

> Yes, the gizz shows up as a MIME file attachment, though I didn't
> see anything that would read the file.  I don't know why Malenkai's
> mailer barfed on it.

Its possible that the barfing was a coincidence.  I only have the problem
when *replying*, not when it is in the 'in' box.  Netscape usually has
no problem with MIME mail.  Its more likely my problem is that I have
an older version of Netscape, but I haven't upgraded because I do not
like the mailer in the newer versions.
 
> But it's in a weird form; he said it was a corel draw file.

Send that to me as a mime attachment at work ([email-masked]).
I have corel draw there, and it allows export in many formats, I'll
see if I can do something with it.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 13:21:46 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Fat Lady

I have decided to create some trinkets.

The first is a Gold Ingot, value A$ 500.  It is a small,
rectangular block of pure gold, which would weigh somewhere between
one and two Troy ounces if there were gravity.

#trinket ThinMan: 500: Gold Ingot

The second is ThinMan's Moneybag, value A$ 400.  It looks like a big
canvas dufflebag stuffed full of A$ 1 notes (all bearing the likeness
of Robert Sevin, first president of Ackanomic).

#trinket ThinMan: 400: ThinMan's Moneybag

The third trinket is a Bound Rules Manuscript, value A$ 300.  It is
a series of several heavy, leather-bound books cotaining the full text
of all the current rules of Ackanomic.

#trinket ThinMan: 300: Bound Rules Manuscript

The fourth trinket is an Instant Shelter, value A$ 200.  It is
fundamentally a tent, colored purple and white, but it has the
property that it is self-erecting.

#trinket ThinMan: 200: Instant Shelter

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:37:57 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Treasures Found

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:27:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Creation of a Trinket 

>> I am creating a trinket. It is an adhesive capital letter H, which can be
>> placed on my forehead conveniently. It has a value of A$2 and is colored
>> gold. It is named Adhesive Capital H
>> 
>> #trinket Robert Sevin : Adhesive Capital H : 2 : ?
>
>Can we just call you "Rimmer" now?

Mr. Rimmer, please.

Robert "Mr. Rimmer" Sevin

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Date: 16 Jun 1997 16:46:16 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Creation of a Trinket 

AC>> I am creating a trinket. It is an adhesive capital letter H, which can be
AC>> placed on my forehead conveniently. It has a value of A$2 and is colored
AC>> gold. It is named Adhesive Capital H
AC>>
AC>> #trinket Robert Sevin : Adhesive Capital H : 2 : ?

AC>Can we just call you "Rimmer" now?

It would be rather inappropriate, IMO.
He's not dead yet.  (Now if you were to chew the Gumball and its
counterpart at the next oppourtunity, you could experience a bit of
Thermonuclear Annhilation and then I would gladly call you Rimmer :)

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Date: 16 Jun 1997 16:56:16 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: another interesting string 

"Jukkasjarvi Cheez-Whiz 14543545399156"

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:56:24 -0400
From: jordan james <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Vacation

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Bascule ,=20

=20
I've just joined the game and there seems to be so much tension that I'm =
questioning the propaganda that makes this game seem so appealing to a =
wwbrowser like myself .
"Ackamomia how to join this crazy game"
"We take a lighthearted look at crime in acka" - acka welcome package.
I hope you come back soon, there isn't nearly as many players as I =
thought. Also I want to join the silly players club that u are part of =
(I'm paraphrasing the real name of the org. cuz' I can't remember the =
name in this heartfelt moment.) plus u were the first to tear apart my =
rfc for the toofairy I will propose I'll remember that.

Sincerely,
karma

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