Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #129
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Ackanomic Digest       Wednesday, June 11 1997       Volume 02 : Number 129

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:18:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Dispersal

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Aaron Humphrey wrote:
> Chiwis, nobody likes my trinkets.  :-(  And I'm tired of auctioning them.
> Maybe I should just come up with a treasure map.
	I'll take 'em.

- -- 
Mohammed
Weird things happen around parakeets from Duluth.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:28:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ambassadorness 

>Also, I think it would be best if we set up a formal procedure for changing
>our status.

We could amend 419.1 to say that the ambassador can be removed from his
position by the president (as one of his decisions... perhaps in 415
actually so that we have 417 to deal with it). I think that the ambassador
should be granted a lot of flexibility because the rules of IN will continue
to change. Simple oversight within the framewiork we already have is all
that's required.

Imho, oc.

CnH

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:40:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 403 (CnH) 

>CFJ 403 has been assigned to CnH

I accept and return judgement asap

CnH

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:50:34 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Snowgod map auction (fwd)

> Alfvaen has found <nameless trinket>.
> #transfer buried, Alfvaen:<???>:treasure

The actual map should really be revealed for this
to happen, if for no other purpose than to keep a 
record on the web pages (and to follow the rules, I
suppose).

Malenkai
Treasure-harfer

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:30:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ambassadorness

#submit proposal Ambassador Check/Balance

This is a Modest proposal.

The following is hereby added to the end of Rule 415:

IV.  Ambassador

The President may remove the Ambassador from office.  In doing so, he
or she may also appoint a replacement Ambassador from among the
players eligible to hold the position.

{{ 4 points are transferred from Mohammed to Calvin n Hobbes. }}

#end proposal

#thanks

- -- 
Mohammed
A surfer from Brazil suddenly blew up relentlessly.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:41:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ambassadorness 

>The President may remove the Ambassador from office.  In doing so, he
>or she may also appoint a replacement Ambassador from among the
>players eligible to hold the position.

Very cleanly done.

>{{ 4 points are transferred from Mohammed to Calvin n Hobbes. }}

Gosh. Now I'm going to have to write up a prop to give you some points back.
: )

CnH
who should be studying for tomorrow's psych exam

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:05:11 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: President

The following have volunteered for president.  The election 
lasts for 3 days.  Reply to vote:

Alfvaen
Mohammed
Techno

Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:22:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Dispersal

> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Aaron Humphrey wrote:
> > Chiwis, nobody likes my trinkets.  :-(  And I'm tired of auctioning them.
> > Maybe I should just come up with a treasure map.
> 	I'll take 'em.

Okay!  :-)  I'll consider this an ack.

#transfer Alfvaen, Mohammed: Normal Matter:just 'cause
#transfer Alfvaen, Mohammed: a cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor:just 'cause

The A$50, of course, are already yours.  And the large trinkets I still
have plans for.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Christine Lavin:Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
Eagles may soar, but weasels aren't sucked into jets...

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:23:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Snowgod map auction (fwd)

> > Alfvaen has found <nameless trinket>.
> > #transfer buried, Alfvaen:<???>:treasure
> 
> The actual map should really be revealed for this
> to happen, if for no other purpose than to keep a 
> record on the web pages (and to follow the rules, I
> suppose).

I believe that I posted the map that Antimatter emailed to me earlier, when
I claimed the treasure.  However, I suppose that need not necessarily be
the actual map...:-)  I'm willing to bet it is, though, because he signed a
contract to provide it.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Christine Lavin:Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
In 20 years there will be radio stations playing classic rap.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:25:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: President

I'd just like to say...

Vote for Mohammed!  He sounds like he's got some good ideas, and I'm still
not sure if I'll be here in a couple of days.  :-/  (Or, to be more
precise, if my job, and this site, will be here.)  And if I am, I'll
probably end up taking at least half of /dev/joe's offices, so I'll be too
busy.

I just wanted to see if anyone else was going to volunteer.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Christine Lavin:Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
I was up until three in the morning fixing the moon.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:30:39 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 403 Verdict

CFJ 403 has been judged TRUE.

Clerk of the Courts
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 403
  Subject: Azpiazu
Initiator: Vynd
    Judge: Calvin N Hobbes (selected Jun 09, 1997, 23:40h EDT)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:

The creation of the Frankenstein Monster Blueprint for Azpiazu
did not require any Processing Chips.

Vynd's Reasoning:

Rule 597 Frankenstein Monster states in it's first paragraph
that it has precedence over all other rules that generaly deal with
Blueprints.  Also in it's first paragraph, thre is the statement that
Blueprints for Frankenstein Monsters can only be created as specified in
that rule (597).  It is my reasoning that these two clauses, taken
together, mean that the Frankenstein Monster rule completely supercedes
Rule 594 Blueprints, when it comes to creating Blueprints for Frankenstein
Monsters.  Since 597 describes the only way in which Frankenstein Monster
Blueprints can be created, and asserts it's precedence over the other rule
generaly describing the creation of Blueprints, 594, then nothing in Rule
594 applies to the creation of Frankenstein Monster Blueprints.  This is
true even in this specific case, where Rule 594 calls for the consumption
of Processing Chips in the creation of Blueprints, and Rule 597 does not
specificaly contradict this requirement.

If this were to be judged TRUE, Alfvaen would be getting some number (1, I
think), of Processing Chips back.

Calvin N Hobbes's Reasoning:

There is very little, if anything, to add to that very good reasoning.

R102 is the rule used to resolve conflicts. R497 claims that its blueprints
must be constructed according to what it says specifically in the rule
(first paragraph: "[...] which can only be created as specified in this
Rule."). That method is a different one from R494, meaning that R497's
definition is now in contradiction to R494: using processing chips would not
be creating a blueprint only in accord to R497 (as it requires). Since R497
claims precedence, by R102 it gets it.

R497 outlines requirements for a blueprint. It does not require processing
chips. Hence no processing chips are required to create an R497 compliant
blueprint.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:31:41 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation)

> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> > I also keep an extra copy of the rules files which I use to generate
> > the others from some scripts; the next web-harfer may not do this the
> > same way, but it's the only sane way to keep the two versions synchronized.
> 	There is a better way.  Keep the rule texts in separate files
> and use a CGI script to generate them on request.  Actually this is a
> bit more flexible as well, altho naturally it hits the machine
> somewhat harder (probably not enough to be annoying to a console user
> tho, especially if your CGI runs at a lower priority than everything else.)

If I do become web-harfer, this is probably the way I'll do it.  I mean,
I've got at least two CGI scripts like this on my site alone, and I did one
up for a commercial customer last year.  And if accesses are as infrequent as
/dev/joe says, it won't be too much of a problem anyway.  I'm sure my
Random Band Name Server uses much more CPU time.  :-)

And it's really not much of a hit if you still keep the rules in HTML
format, and just load them dynamically.  And if you still keep the
capability to load an entire "hundred" at a time, that'll preserve the old
functionality too.

Actually, I think that /dev/joe's estimate might be a bit low, since my
arrival, since I usually spend about an hour browsing the web pages every
day.  :-)  That's something that will be quicker if I become web-harfer,
too...for me, at least.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Christine Lavin:Good Thing He Can't Read My Mind
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
They may eat lamb or stroke each other.  [Racter]

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:58:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Dispersal

OAOn Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Aaron Humphrey wrote:
> > > Chiwis, nobody likes my trinkets.  :-(  And I'm tired of auctioning them.
> > 	I'll take 'em.
>   I'll consider this an ack.
	Thanks!

- -- 
Mohammed
Martians from West Virginia chased friendly squids with a necktie.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:15:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ambassadorness (new proposal) 

#submit proposal Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war.

This is a Modest proposal.

The following is hereby added to the end of Rule 419.2:

In order to change the Attitude of Ackanomic toward any other member nomic
of InterNomic (as defined by the InterNomic rule set), a vote must be held.
Each Senator has one vote, and the Ambassador has one vote (if the
Ambassador is also a Senator, e only gets one vote total). If 3/5 or more of
the eligible voters vote in favor of changing the Attitude of Ackanomic,
then the Liaison is obligated to take whatever steps are necessary to carry
out this decision in InterNomic (per the InterNomic rule set). If the
InterNomic rule set does not define the Attitude of one nomic to another,
then this paragraph is dormant and is not a binding rule, until such time as
the InterNomic rule set contains the appropriate definition.

#end proposal

#thanks

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:25:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Azpiazu

Upon reading zee pertinent rules some more, I haff discuffered zat I am not
as close to completing zee construction of Azpiazu as I had thought
prefiously!  Obserf zee following excerpts from zee rules!

From Rule 597:
   E shall then post the text of the Blueprint-under-construction. At
   this point the Blueprint is constructed, (and is a Blueprint) and no
   more Parts may ever be added to it. The Mad Scientist must
   immediately, after this announcement, begin building the
   Frankenstein Monster subject to the general limitations placed upon
   Scientists working from Blueprints.

Now obserf the following(from R594:)

   A blueprint may state a requirement of various raw materials. Such
   raw materials must include a number of Processing Chips equal to at
   least half those used in creating the original Blueprint; if no
   other raw materials are specified, then the Processing Chips are all
   that is required.

Zis means zat I still do not need to expend any Processing Chips, since I
did not expend any in zee original Blueprint, as zee recent CFJ has
determined!  But look once more, at R595!

   (c) building the gadget. This task is completed when the Scientist
   has spent at least three days building, and the Blueprint defining
   the type of Gadget to be made has existed for at least one week. The
   Gadget is created at the end of this time.

So, it vill take longer zan three days, as I had prefiously thought(and
announced)to construct zis Monster!  I haff spent three days building, but
zee Blueprint has not existed for a veek yet!  So Azpiazu will not be
complete until Saturday!

Zis means zat zere vill hopefully be time for zee CFJ determining vether
zis thread is falid or not to be ruled on!  Uzzervise I may perhaps haff
broken zee rules by publishing an unfinished Monster Blueprint!

I vill now return to vorking on Azpiazu!  It is not yet vorking, but at
least now I know vhy!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Celine Dion & Peabo Bryson:A Whole New World
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
A plastic surgeon with a drinking problem raises quite a few eyebrows.
   [Based on a one-panel joke from "The Cowboy Wally Story"]

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:47:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

I am burying the Lucky Ball And Chain.

#transfer Alfvaen, buried: Lucky Ball And Chain: treasure

To make some amends to those whom I didn't leave any chance to work on
/dev/joe's last treasure, I am also going to submit some stages of my
calculations, in a similar form.  I will admit that my calculations were
much more complex, though, and I'm curious to see if someone will be able
to duplicate my results.  :-)

       WUW
   -------
EPE)RDPRUD
    RUKV
    ----
     RGRU
     NDKU
     ----
      RWVD
      RUKV
      ----
        ND

        JZV
    -------
SZRJ)JRFRZF
     JSYW
     ----
       VXZF
       VSXV
       ----
        SOW

       KKQT
   --------
TQT)ECEVOVU
    EDKK
    ----
     EGGO
     EDKK
     ----
      EQDV
      VOUC
      ----
       KKQU
       QCVT
       ----
        TVK

      FGNLN
   --------
LGD)ZFLGGZL
    LGD
    ---
     CNG
     NHZ
     ---
     GJCG
     FONG
     ----
      FGJZ
       OCF
       ---
       GGLL
       FONG
       ----
        GDF

         OZW
    --------
PWQL)PPVLQJP
     PPLPL
     -----
       QFVJ
       FZVJ
       ----
       PPJJP
        VYOJ
        ----
        PPFP

        CDMCD
    ---------
XDEE)DCRXSERG
     CGMM
     ----
      KXDS
      ERDC
      ----
      XXRHE
      XRHKC
      -----
        DCCR
        CGMM
        ----
         KDCG
         ERDC
         ----
         XCSE

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Jane Siberry
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
Well, how about that--this tagline is about me!
   [Another Hofstadter self-referential one...]

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:07:01 -0500
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Chewing 

Here goes nothing!

It is Wednesday, June 11th, the second Wednesday in June, and I am
chewing the Gumball.

It is Wednesday, June 11th, a day with a prime date greater than seven,
and I am chewing the Anti-Gumball.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:08:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Chewing

> It is Wednesday, June 11th, the second Wednesday in June, and I am
> chewing the Gumball.
> 
> It is Wednesday, June 11th, a day with a prime date greater than seven,
> and I am chewing the Anti-Gumball.

Now, how did I know this was coming?  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Firesign Theatre:The Tale of The Giant Rat of Sumatra
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
My hands feel numb...Hey!  Who cut off my arms?

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