Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #124
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Ackanomic Digest         Monday, June 9 1997         Volume 02 : Number 124

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:31:15 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Birthdays

So far I have received 12 responses to my query about RL birthdays.
Participation in this poll is purely voluntary; this is just a reminder
that the poll being taken.  There is only a 17% chance of any two
birthdays out of group of twelve being the same, and my current list
does not beat the odds.  The full list will be distributed when I
decide I'm unlikely to receive more responses.

ThinMan
birthday harfer

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:38:22 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Lunatic Fringe 

>>In my capacity as Registrar I hereby ack the name change.  Furthermore, I
>>hereby announce an end to the name change moreorium I had announced earlier.
>
>  Yay!  I am changing my name to "1                             32".

A player who's name was quite fine
tried changing his name to a crime
before he started complaining
that the rules keep changing
I think he was losing his mind.

Mr. Lunatic Fringe

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:42:50 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Feathers? 

>Taking care not to step on actual Cow Town Hotel property, I go to its
>southwest corner, and walk 1972 paces north. I inscribe the words
>"PLEASE GIVE UP" onto the ground, and dig with a strong shovel.
>
>**two-star

Oh, oh no.  I think I understand what I didn't before.

Jr. Lunatic Fringe

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:36:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observation

>proposal authors, it's a good way of rewarding them. FWIW, I hope that
>Malenkai continues to scam the hell out of this unstable,
>bullet-hole-filled, manic little ruleset. As far as I'm concerned, Nomic IS
>loophole surfing and then loophole patching. BUT: Malenkai, if points
>winning is so undesirable, then don't worry about it. I've got over 50
>points (I think) and I've got no chance of winning by points either. :v)

  Agree completely, but... "little"?

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:54:04 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Feathers?

> Taking care not to step on actual Cow Town Hotel property, I go to its 
> southwest corner, and walk 1972 paces north. I inscribe the words 
> "PLEASE GIVE UP" onto the ground, and dig with a strong shovel.

D'oh!  I should've stayed up that extra half hour last night.  :-(  And now
I am beaten by my Evil Twin.

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Song In My Head--They Might Be Giants:My Evil Twin
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
He calls when I'm alone, and he calls when I'm not home

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Frobnotzer

>> > The Frobnotzer is complete, and I am initiating an auction for
>> > it.  The auction ends in 3 days or as described in the rules.  Bid
>> > publically.
>
>I bid A$63.

  I bid A$70.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:09:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

>For Red Barn, the runner-up, for his outstanding knowledge of "Noises
>Off", I will create the following trinket, value A$25: The Plate of
>Sardines.  This trinket is an ordinary china plate(with a very dull
>pattern around the outside), covered in fresh sardines.  These sardines
>will remain fresh until eaten, and the plate will continually supply
>more.  However, if the sardines fall off the plate, they become very
>slippery underfoot!
>
>#trinket Alfvaen: A$25: The Plate of Sardines
>#transfer Alfvaen, Red Barn: The Plate of Sardines : second prize

  Woohoo!  I ack.  I am spilling some sardines around Cow Town.
>   --This one was probably the punchline of a Feghoot, but I'm not
>     100% sure of that.

  "Feghoot"?

>Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light.

  Closest to this that I've seen is one of the messages Omega gives you
when you fail to enter wizard mode:
  Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards -- ...

>A miser is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor.

  And where's that one from?

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:10:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Lunatic Fringe

>>  Yay!  I am changing my name to "1                             32".
>
>A player who's name was quite fine
>tried changing his name to a crime
>before he started complaining
>that the rules keep changing
>I think he was losing his mind.

  Boo.  Phooey on you.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:18:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation)

> > I personally appreciate all the work that Malenkai does for the game.
> > I think it is no accident that those two players who put the most work
> > into Acka are the same ones who have multi wins.  As Malenkai
> > described, doing the work for the game brings familiarity with the
> > rules, which makes one better able to take advantage of them.  I
> > suspect that Malenkai would be willing to hand over some of his offices
> > to other interested players, but volunteers rarely surface.
> 
> Consider me surfacing.  :-)  As soon as anyone has an office they're not
> using...or if someone's going on vacation and wants an Acting replacement
> (which might be better, since I may not know what I'm getting into)...

I'm looking for a good web-harfer with lots of web space available.
And a scorekeeper, map-harfer, and miscellaneous-entity-harfer, etc.
At least for a while, but not quite yet.

I'm taking a short-term job, kind of an internship, starting August 1st.
I know I told some people it would be longer before I did this, but I've
had a change of plans.  I will be returning to school to finish up a
degree after this internship ends, in November or January.  It is a bit
unusual for a graduate student to do this sort of thing, but I'm not
exactly the usual graduate student, for better or worse. :-}

I expect that I'll still play Ackanomic after that, but I will need
somebody to take over my duties temporarily, as well as some of them
permanently.

I'm not sure what will come of wilma.  My advisor and I have agreed that
I will come back to finish my degree after this internship, and not accept
a permanent job immediately following the internship. :-)  As a result of
this, I might leave wilma here and on-line until after I come back and
finish up my degree, so I might not need to find a replacement for all
the stuff wilma does quite yet.  But I am certainly looking; when I finish
up my degree and (probably) take a permanent job with the same company,
wilma will definitely go away.

The mailing lists total about 60KB/day sent to about 30-40 addresses.
The web server has several megabytes of files (at least 1MB for the CFJ
archive, 500KB for the combined rules file, about 800KB for the
rules-by-hundreds, over 2.5MB for the proposal archive, 600K worth of
miscellaneous images including the gallery and map, and probably another
1MB of other files, so say 6.5MB, probably 7MB by the time I leave).
I also keep an extra copy of the rules files which I use to generate
the others from some scripts; the next web-harfer may not do this the
same way, but it's the only sane way to keep the two versions synchronized.
The accesses to the web page are fairly low -- I posted some statistics
a while back.  There's also 23MB of mail saved in the FTP archive and this
increases about 1.5 to 2 MB each month.  There are a bunch of other files
I actually keep in the acka web directory which the next web-harfer need
not do the same with -- the (original) official dictionary, as one file
and exploded into separate files by word length; a backup copy of most
of the web pages, a proposal archive with all the proposals in one
big file -- these are generally not linked anywhere.  When you're using
your own personal hard disk space, 50MB devoted to the game isn't a
problem, at today's hard disk prices, but others may not be able to keep
all that stuff on line so easily/cheaply.

> And I can certainly see how Malenkai, as the author of about 3/4 of the
> proposals ever written in the game, could be somewhat familiar with the
> ruleset.  :-)

Come on, he's *only* written 327 of the 1762 proposals. :-) :-)
That's not quite 1/5, but well over 1/6.  

> > Too much chaos and we
> > crash (or stop being a rule-abiding Nomic, which amounts to the same
> > thing in my book).  Too much order and we get "staid" or "boring".  The
> > harf, I claim, is in striking the right balance.
> 
> I think I'm more on the side of Order, but I do appreciate harf as well.
> At least, I try to.  :-)

I think I'm about the same.  We certainly do have a balance between
the Chaos and Order -- with some players strongly Chaos-aligned, others
strongly Order-aligned, and some that lie somewhere between, like Elric,
aligning with Order or Chaos as it serves him best at the time.  What
I find most interesting is that some players are strongly Order or Chaos
aligned when they first join the game.

/dev/joe
Now there's an idea... player alignments.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:26:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

> >   --This one was probably the punchline of a Feghoot, but I'm not
> >     100% sure of that.
> 
>   "Feghoot"?

Originally, a tale of Ferdinand Feghoot, widely published in various SF
venues, which is all, or almost all, a lead-up to a horrible pun at the
end.  Credited to "Grendel Briarton", who is actually Reginald Bretnor.
(Whom I've only see as an editor under his own name...)  I remember the
term being used more generically for similar stories published in the
Mensa magazine I used to get when I was a member.

I'm sure I could demonstrate if you wish.

> >Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light.
> 
>   Closest to this that I've seen is one of the messages Omega gives you
> when you fail to enter wizard mode:
>   Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards -- ...

Yes, I've got all four variants:

"Do not meddle for in the affairs of wizard, for they are subtle and quick
to anger" is from Tolkien, IIRC.  The above "Do not throw cigarettes into
the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light" is from some anonymous
wit in a restroom.  And then you can mix and match.  ("Do not throw
cigarettes into the urinal, for they are subtle and quick to anger.")

> >A miser is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor.
> 
>   And where's that one from?

Dunno.  :-)  (The one below is from the Pinocchio "Desolation Theme"
again...)

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Song In My Head--They Might Be Giants:Road Movie To Berlin
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
Don't be scared; it's only dark.  Soon we'll hear a meadowlark.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:35:09 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Quiz Over

Alfvaen wrote:

> "Do not meddle for in the affairs of wizard, for they are subtle and
> quick
> to anger" is from Tolkien, IIRC.  The above "Do not throw cigarettes
> into
> the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light" is from some
> anonymous
> wit in a restroom.  And then you can mix and match.  ("Do not throw
> cigarettes into the urinal, for they are subtle and quick to anger.")
> 
I prefer: Do not throw wizards into the urinal, for they are subtle and
quick to anger.  :-)

ThinMan
BWG

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:37:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

Red Barn wrote:
> >Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard
> >to light.
> 
>   Closest to this that I've seen is one of the messages Omega gives you
> when you fail to enter wizard mode:
>   Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards -- ...

That is originally from Tolkien, I believe.
The rest of the sentence is "they are subtle and quick to anger." 

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:42:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

>>   Closest to this that I've seen is one of the messages Omega gives you
>> when you fail to enter wizard mode:
>>   Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards -- ...
>
>That is originally from Tolkien, I believe.
>The rest of the sentence is "they are subtle and quick to anger." 

  Sure, the *real* sentence.  The other version is "it makes them soggy
and hard to light."

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Quiz Over

>I prefer: Do not throw wizards into the urinal, for they are subtle and
>quick to anger.  :-)

 :)

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:52:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation)

> > Consider me surfacing.  :-)  As soon as anyone has an office they're not
> > using...or if someone's going on vacation and wants an Acting replacement
> > (which might be better, since I may not know what I'm getting into)...
> 
> I'm looking for a good web-harfer with lots of web space available.
> And a scorekeeper, map-harfer, and miscellaneous-entity-harfer, etc.
> At least for a while, but not quite yet.

I would be willing to take on at least some of these duties.  The only
problem I might have is that while I am a system administrator where I
work, I do also have a boss, and he might not necessarily want me to use up
scads of disk space.  I have a Linux box at home with a few hundred megs
free, but it's not continuously connected to the Internet.  (I'm still
working on that.  :-)  I do know another fellow with a Linux box that may
be able to keep his connected more frequently, though; at the very least it
may be able to serve as an additional storage medium.

Also, the state of my current workplace is not 100% certain.  It may
disappear sometime this summer.  :-/  I think the odds of that are getting
lower, but they are not zero.

> The mailing lists total about 60KB/day sent to about 30-40 addresses.
> The web server has several megabytes of files (at least 1MB for the CFJ
> archive, 500KB for the combined rules file, about 800KB for the
> rules-by-hundreds, over 2.5MB for the proposal archive, 600K worth of
> miscellaneous images including the gallery and map, and probably another
> 1MB of other files, so say 6.5MB, probably 7MB by the time I leave).
> I also keep an extra copy of the rules files which I use to generate
> the others from some scripts; the next web-harfer may not do this the
> same way, but it's the only sane way to keep the two versions synchronized.
> The accesses to the web page are fairly low -- I posted some statistics
> a while back.  There's also 23MB of mail saved in the FTP archive and this
> increases about 1.5 to 2 MB each month.  There are a bunch of other files
> I actually keep in the acka web directory which the next web-harfer need
> not do the same with -- the (original) official dictionary, as one file
> and exploded into separate files by word length; a backup copy of most
> of the web pages, a proposal archive with all the proposals in one
> big file -- these are generally not linked anywhere.  When you're using
> your own personal hard disk space, 50MB devoted to the game isn't a
> problem, at today's hard disk prices, but others may not be able to keep
> all that stuff on line so easily/cheaply.

If the Postmaster and Web-Harfer were not the same people, then perhaps the
email archive could be kept on another machine as well.  OTOH, I'm the
Majordomo expert here, so I could easily set up a mailing list...

...Just talked to my boss, and he said that it wouldn't be a problem for me
to put that here...as long as we survive the next couple of days.  So I
can't commit until I find out if I have a job then.  :-)  (And if I don't I
may have to go on a wee vacation until I do...)

> > And I can certainly see how Malenkai, as the author of about 3/4 of the
> > proposals ever written in the game, could be somewhat familiar with the
> > ruleset.  :-)
> 
> Come on, he's *only* written 327 of the 1762 proposals. :-) :-)
> That's not quite 1/5, but well over 1/6.  

"Sorry, I was speaking in hyperbole."
"Ah.  Well, I'm not that familiar with foreign languages."

  --Steven Brust, _Five Hundred Years After_ (more or less)

> I think I'm about the same.  We certainly do have a balance between
> the Chaos and Order -- with some players strongly Chaos-aligned, others
> strongly Order-aligned, and some that lie somewhere between, like Elric,
> aligning with Order or Chaos as it serves him best at the time.  What
> I find most interesting is that some players are strongly Order or Chaos
> aligned when they first join the game.

I'd venture to say that Chaos-aligned people might have more fun in the
earlier stages of a game of Nomic...

> /dev/joe
> Now there's an idea... player alignments.

I've been wondering about "player attributes" for a while, actually.  It
would add a new dimension to the game, but I'm not sure if the playership
would necessarily want to go there...

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Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Runners
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
Ketchup and chocolate.  It's a bad idea.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:03:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The former Antimatter auction

By the way, I don't know if this has been announced formally yet, but I
believe Mr. Lunatic Fringe's auction of the trinket formerly known as
Antimatter resulted in Red Barn purchasing it for A$150, and my
second-highest bid, A$133, going to the Treasury.  So something like:

#transfer Red Barn, Mr. Lunatic Fringe: A$150: Auction
#transfer Mr. Lunatic Fringe, Red Barn: <nameless trinket formerly known as Antimatter>: Auction
#award Alfvaen: -A$133: Shubik Auction bid

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Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Runners
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
What is spoo?  Spoo is.  What can one say of spoo?

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:11:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Snowgod map auction (fwd)

I am revealing the Map to Snowgod, as Antimatter revealed it to me(for a
price, of course):

> "snowgod will be found by the first player other than Antimatter, or the player 
> formerly known as such, to pay A$100 to Antimatter (not any player formerly 
> known as Antimatter), with his permission, for the express purpose of 
> retrieving snowgod."

> You have my permission, should you want to waste A$100 on a soon-to-be-useless
> snowgod :-)

Just to attempt to bring this affair to some sort of closure, I am offering
to pay Antimatter A$100, for the express purpose of retrieving snowgod.  (I
am presuming that the fact that this trinket is no longer known as snowgod
will not really obstruct me from finding the treasure.)

#transfer Alfvaen, Antimatter:A$100:finding snowgod

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Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Runners
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
My balloon is very angry.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:21:22 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Birthdays

> So far I have received 12 responses to my query about RL birthdays.
> Participation in this poll is purely voluntary; this is just a reminder
> that the poll being taken.  There is only a 17% chance of any two
> birthdays out of group of twelve being the same, and my current list
> does not beat the odds.  The full list will be distributed when I
> decide I'm unlikely to receive more responses.
> 
> ThinMan
> birthday harfer

Sorry! I had no intention of obstructing the birthday harfer...

11/6/70. The day after tomorrow. (Do you write it Month/Day/Year in 
the States? 6/11/70 then.)

Bascule 

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:29:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: The former Antimatter auction

> By the way, I don't know if this has been announced formally yet, but I
> believe Mr. Lunatic Fringe's auction of the trinket formerly known as
> Antimatter resulted in Red Barn purchasing it for A$150, and my
> second-highest bid, A$133, going to the Treasury.  So something like:
> 
> #transfer Red Barn, Mr. Lunatic Fringe: A$150: Auction
> #transfer Mr. Lunatic Fringe, Red Barn: <nameless trinket formerly known as Antimatter>: Auction
> #award Alfvaen: -A$133: Shubik Auction bid

No, this result hasn't been announced.
However, I don't think Red Barn had enough A$ to meet this bid -- unless the
bond dividends which happened today at noon, EDT gave him at least A$29.
What was the next legal bid below Alfvaen's?
I will do the dividends next.

BTW, the new player (Karma)'s starting money is A$882, based
on A$23806 divided among 27 other players before the trinket creations,
auctions, and bond dividends that have happened so far today.

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:36:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The former Antimatter auction

> > By the way, I don't know if this has been announced formally yet, but I
> > believe Mr. Lunatic Fringe's auction of the trinket formerly known as
> > Antimatter resulted in Red Barn purchasing it for A$150, and my
> > second-highest bid, A$133, going to the Treasury.  So something like:
> > 
> > #transfer Red Barn, Mr. Lunatic Fringe: A$150: Auction
> > #transfer Mr. Lunatic Fringe, Red Barn: <nameless trinket formerly known as Antimatter>: Auction
> > #award Alfvaen: -A$133: Shubik Auction bid
> 
> No, this result hasn't been announced.
> However, I don't think Red Barn had enough A$ to meet this bid -- unless the
> bond dividends which happened today at noon, EDT gave him at least A$29.
> What was the next legal bid below Alfvaen's?

Hmmm.  So if that last Red Barn bid was invalid, then the next lowest was a
bit for A$120, which should leave him with as much money as the Narfalone
Family right now.  :-)

#transfer Alfvaen, Mr. Lunatic Fringe: A$133: Auction
#transfer Mr. Lunatic Fringe, Alfvaen: <nameless trinket formerly known as Antimatter>: Auction
#award Red Barn: -A$120: Shubik Auction bid

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Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Runners
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:46:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Bond Dividends for June 9

Score changes used for bond cycle calculation:
- ----------------------------------------------
Ackers: 0
Alfvaen: 27
Antimatter: 2
Atilla the Pun: 21
Bascule: 9
breadbox: 6
Calvin N Hobbes: 29
CarsesraC: -23
CV1701: 0
/dev/joe: 10
fnord: 3
Guy Fawkes: 5
Joon: 0
Karma: 0
Malenkai: 13
Mohammed: 34
mr cwm: 18
Mr. Lunatic Fringe: 5
Niccolo Flychuck: -4
Red Barn: 15
Robert Sevin: 2
Sunflare: 0
Techno: 39
ThinMan: 21
two-star: 15
Voting Gnome: 0
Vynd: 15
You can call me Al: 30

Bond Dividends (calculation)
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Ackers: 0.08  -->  87*0 + 4*2
Alfvaen: 18.63  -->  69*27
Antimatter: 2.0  -->  100*2
Atilla the Pun: 21.0  -->  100*21
Bascule: 9.0  -->  100*9
breadbox: 5.04  -->  84*6
Calvin N Hobbes: 29.0  -->  100*29
CarsesraC: -11.5  -->  100*-23/2
CV1701: 0.0  -->  100*0
/dev/joe: 13.41  -->  91*10 + 2*13 + 5*39 + 10*21 + 50*0
fnord: 3.3  -->  1*6 + 2*10 + 93*3 + 1*18 + 1*5 + 1*2
Guy Fawkes: 3.75  -->  75*5
Joon: 0.0  -->  100*0
Karma: 0.0  -->  100*0
Malenkai: 10.27  -->  79*13
Mohammed: 33.87  -->  11*27 + 2*10 + 5*3 + 2*13 + 87*34 + 5*18 + 3*5 + 17*-4/2
mr cwm: 18.96  -->  1*3 + 5*34 + 94*18 + 5*2 + 1*21
Mr. Lunatic Fringe: 23.97  -->  1*13 + 5*34 + 54*5 + 3*-4/2 + 50*39
Niccolo Flychuck: 5.53  -->  5*0 + 5*27 + 5*6 + 5*10 + 5*13 + 2*34 + 5*5 +
   50*-4/2 + 5*15 + 5*2 + 5*39
Red Barn: 13.5  -->  90*15
Robert Sevin: 2.66  -->  3*0 + 1*3 + 1*13 + 10*5 + 85*2 + 2*15
Sunflare: 0.0  -->  100*0
Techno: 16.25  -->  25*5 + 30*-4/2 + 40*39 + 30*0
ThinMan: 21.34  -->  5*27 + 10*13 + 89*21
two-star: 15.34  -->  1*34 + 100*15
Voting Gnome: 0.0  -->  20*0
Vynd: 14.7  -->  98*15
You can call me Al: 30.0  -->  100*30

Actual dividends:
#award Ackers: 1 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Alfvaen: 19 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Antimatter: 2 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Atilla the Pun: 21 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Bascule: 9 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award breadbox: 6 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Calvin N Hobbes: 29 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award CarsesraC: -12 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award /dev/joe: 14 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award fnord: 4 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Guy Fawkes: 4 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Malenkai: 11 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Mohammed: 34 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award mr cwm: 19 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Mr. Lunatic Fringe: 24 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Niccolo Flychuck: 6 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Red Barn: 14 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Robert Sevin: 3 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Techno: 17 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award ThinMan: 22 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award two-star: 16 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award Vynd: 15 A$ : dividend Jun 9
#award You can call me Al: 30 A$ : dividend Jun 9

Red Barn did not get enough A$ here to cover his auction bid, so the second
result alfvaen posted holds -- alfvaen gets the thing for A$133, and red
barn's 2nd place bid of A$120 is forfeited to the treasury.

/dev/joe
Bond-Harfer, who doesn't have this calculation among his duties.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:09:59 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 393 Verdict

The player who has won the most cycles wrote:

> Call For Judgment 393
>   Subject: OMCL Trade
> Initiator: /dev/joe
>     Judge: two-star (selected Jun 02, 1997, 7:36h EDT)
> Judgement: FALSE
> 
> Statement:
> 
>   /dev/joe did not in fact accept a trade of his vending machine for
>   a Large Wooden Block, but was in fact a victim of an Orbital Mind
>   Control Laser.
> 

[snip of some fairly conclusive reasoning]

> two-star's Reasoning:
> 
> It has been remarked, of late, that the acceptance
> of a verdict can have interesting consequences, even if the verdict is
> overturned, as I expect this will be. I do believe I am party to a scam,
> in this case.

I still can't stop laughing at this. I don't suppose the Supreme 
Court will agree with the original judge, but the fact that they 
could led me to submit CFJ 241 (which was judged false).

Bascule
Chaotic in alignment (some of the time)

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:28:45 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observation

The player who wrote nearly 20% of all our proposals also wrote:

> Thirdly, because of my success, people have voted in handicaps 
> so severe that I cannot realisitically win by points, and then they 
> resent, even punish me, when I try to win via the only means available
> to me.

Not here. I disagree with this concept of a cheap win. To me, the 
only cheap win would be stealing somebody else's idea. I see Museum 
wins, exploitation of the Scientist's position, and whatever else, 
as being part of the game. If there's a 'loophole', then use it! 
Surely this is what nomic is all about. At risk of offending people, 
I would say that if Malenkai winning annoys you, perhaps you are 
taking it too seriously.

On a different topic, I'm sorry if /dev/joe (and others?) was 
offended when I said I thought the game was dull. Certainly no 
offence was meant, it was an observation, my opinion only. 
Anyway, I've changed my mind.

> Fourthy, it required no less work and was no less available than
> /dev/joe's Museum win, which no one called cheap (double
> standard). I think that is bad game design.  That is all.  

Bad game design!!! Surely not :-)
 
> Seriously, I am taking none of this personally.

I hope you take _this_ personally:

Congratulations (assuming you've won)
 
Bascule

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:01:38 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 399 (Bascule)

The player who masterminded our win in Internomic wrote:

> CFJ 399 has been assigned to Bascule

I accept judgement.

Bascule 

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:02:42 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 135 (Bascule)

Someone who does a lot of work for this game wrote:

> Bascule has been selected again.
[CFJ 135]

I accept

Bascule

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:39:44 -0700
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation)

Joseph W. DeVincentis writes:
> 
> Now there's an idea... player alignments.

Actually, I was contemplating writing an RFC about just that, using 
the alignments from Steve Jackson Games' Illuminati game.

fnord

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:49:57 -0700
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

Aaron Humphrey writes:
> 
> The next bunch are mostly ones I got from someone on Fidonet during my
> sojourn thereon; I was wondering of someone might be able to attribute
> them(as fnord was able to with the Shakespeare quote).

Not all of them, but quite a few of them I have seen on the 
science-fiction convention circuit.  There are several vendors
who make buttons to wear that contain pithy sayings, and quite a few
of the ones you have are from there.  The one I know best, Nancy
Lebowitz, actually allows people to submit quotes of their own
and have them put on buttons, so claiming a source it often impossible.

I believe approximately 1/5 of your unattributed quotes are on buttons
somewhere.

> Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light.

As others have mentioned, there are several possibilities on this.  My
favroite, not yet mentioned is "Do not meedle in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and good with ketchup."

fnord

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:50:54 -0700
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Frobnotzer

A.K.A. TheWiz writes:
No actually, Red Barn wrote:
> >> > The Frobnotzer is complete, and I am initiating an auction for
> >> > it.  The auction ends in 3 days or as described in the rules.  Bid
> >> > publically.
> >
> >I bid A$63.
> 
>   I bid A$70.

Fine, then, I bid A$79

fnord

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:09:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation)

> Joseph W. DeVincentis writes:

> > Now there's an idea... player alignments.

> Actually, I was contemplating writing an RFC about just that, using 
> the alignments from Steve Jackson Games' Illuminati game.

So what could be the possible game effects of having alignments, of either
kind?  Certain alignments being permitted or restricted to performing
certain actions, or joining certain organizations?  It does have some
potentials...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Song--Third World:Now That We've Found Love
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
Words are useless, especially sentences.  [Madonna, "Bedtime Story"]

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:20:56 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quiz Over

> Aaron Humphrey writes:
> > The next bunch are mostly ones I got from someone on Fidonet during my
> > sojourn thereon; I was wondering of someone might be able to attribute
> > them(as fnord was able to with the Shakespeare quote).
> 
> Not all of them, but quite a few of them I have seen on the 
> science-fiction convention circuit.  There are several vendors
> who make buttons to wear that contain pithy sayings, and quite a few
> of the ones you have are from there.  The one I know best, Nancy
> Lebowitz, actually allows people to submit quotes of their own
> and have them put on buttons, so claiming a source it often impossible.

I have some passing acquaintance with Nancy Lebowitz.  That is, during my
sojourn on alt.callahans she spent some time there as "Whirlwind".

> I believe approximately 1/5 of your unattributed quotes are on buttons
> somewhere.

I don't doubt it.  Tagline to button is not a big step, and I'd wager it's
usually the other direction.  (Hmmm...wonder if any of my original taglines
have made it onto buttons.  That would be obscurely gratifying...)

> > Do not throw cigarettes into the urinal--it makes them soggy and hard to light.
> 
> As others have mentioned, there are several possibilities on this.  My
> favroite, not yet mentioned is "Do not meedle in the affairs of dragons,
> for you are crunchy and good with ketchup."

Yes, seen that one too.  One of my favourites, with a slightly different
form, is:

Do not meddle in the affairs of C programmers, for they will cast you to void.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Song--Gwen Guthrie:Padlock
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
Horses sure can thrill you, if they don't try to kill you
  --Murray McLauchlan, "Horses Sure Can Thrill You"

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:37:18 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Frobnotzer 

At 02:50 PM 6/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>A.K.A. TheWiz writes:
>No actually, Red Barn wrote:
>> >> > The Frobnotzer is complete, and I am initiating an auction for
>> >> > it.  The auction ends in 3 days or as described in the rules.  Bid
>> >> > publically.
>> >
>> >I bid A$63.
>> 
>>   I bid A$70.
>
>Fine, then, I bid A$79
>
>fnord

I bid A$101.
Al

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:39:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Robert Sevin's House 

>So whatever happened with that, anyway?  Are the three intrepid winged
>house-saviours still waiting for permission to reattach it?

I hereby grant permission to reattach my house, to whoever wishes to do so.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:45:15 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Announcements (was Re: Acka: Observation) 

At 03:09 PM 6/9/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>> Joseph W. DeVincentis writes:
>
>> > Now there's an idea... player alignments.
>
>> Actually, I was contemplating writing an RFC about just that, using 
>> the alignments from Steve Jackson Games' Illuminati game.
>
>So what could be the possible game effects of having alignments, of either
>kind?  Certain alignments being permitted or restricted to performing
>certain actions, or joining certain organizations?  It does have some
>potentials...

I'm RFCing something like this in Rishonomic - it'll be a collaboration,
fear not. Anyway, I'm thinking that certain attribute levels/alignments
could enable Players to perform certain actions that other players can't
perform. Or how about bonuses and the like for voting for/against
alignments...BTW, is the above referring to INWO or the old Illuminati game?
I'm an INWO player myself...:v)

Al

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:48:26 EDT 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: YORL

I was going to vote for accepting YORL but it is no longer necessary (a
hazard of being on the digest and only being able to check my mail every
couple of days).

Therefore,  I would like to sign up for Acka's first OFFICIAL round of
YORL.

VG

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 17:48:26 EDT 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka:  OOPS take 43

One of these days I will learn to read the Rules before I shoot off my
big mouth.

Of course Malenkai was right,  and I was ineligible to vote on the IP and
the election.  As far as I can tell,  I can only vote on Hearings, 
Duels,  the Hall of Elders stuff and G&C submissions.  I will try to keep
this in mind to save our FO's as much trouble as I can in the future.

VG
who hopes abject apologies are not considered BWG

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:47:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Robert Sevin's House

> >So whatever happened with that, anyway?  Are the three intrepid winged
> >house-saviours still waiting for permission to reattach it?
> 
> I hereby grant permission to reattach my house, to whoever wishes to do so.

I am attempting to reattach Robert Sevin's house, although I won't succeed
unless two other winged players join me.  I know that breadbox had also
volunteered, and someone else...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Song--Jann Arden:I Would Die For You
Current Book--Sean Stewart:Cloud's End
I repeat myself when under stress...I repeat myself when under stress...
   [King Crimson, "Indiscipline" (?)]

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