Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #114
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Ackanomic Digest        Thursday, June 5 1997        Volume 02 : Number 114

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

>try to take over the world (unless I change my mind). First person to guess 2 
>of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.

  Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.
  Why?

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:08:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

>Although, for the record, the y is a vowel in your name, assuming you
>pronounce it like "Vind" (with a long or short i). Actually, I'd be
>hard-pressed to think of a way to pronounce your name where the y wouldn't
>be a vowel. 

  Vuy-nd?

- -Red Barn
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 05:44:03 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

> >try to take over the world (unless I change my mind). First person to guess 2 
> >of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.
> 
> 
>   Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
> throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
> carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.

Now, I'd say that's cheating, but you didn't get two of them anyways.
- -------------------------------
Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:08:00 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Snowgod Map Auction ends

Antimatter wrote:

> > Game custom indicates that the second bid in a Shubik auction goes
> to
> > the treasury, at least thats the way I did it when I was both
> Financier
> > and Chief Cheese.  Perhaps its not really game custom because the
> > fact that I did it this way may not have been common knowledge; it
> was
> > only in the finance logs.
> 
> I don't think it's a very good custom, and besides, one player's
> doings do not 
> a custom make.
> 
Well you are entitled to your opinion.  As has already been expressed,
it is actually not custom at all, but rather in the rules.  The
dynamic of a Shubik auction, then, is to give players an incentive
to keep bidding once they get into it.  The expected yield of the
auction is thus greater, even though the second-highest bid goes to
the Treasury rather than to the auctioneer.

And as Malenkai pointed out, one player's doings may indeed indicate
custom (as opposed to _a_ custom) if there are no counterindications
or objections.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:14:25 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 391 (Alfvaen)

Alfvaen wrote:

> But the game state regarding CFJ391 may change between submission and
> verdict.  I'll see if the new proposal passes, and if it would change
> my
> decision, but I would go with the more current one.  Another CFJ can
> clear
> that up if necessary.  :-)
> 
That is irrelevant.  As breadbox(?) pointed out, the Rules require
that the judgement be based on the Rules and custom at the time of the
CFJ's submission.  That the custom established by the verdict may
possibly be superceeded before the verdict itself is rendered does not
alter the affect that the verdict may have on the current game state,
as any necessary reintrepretation will be applied as of the time of
the CFJ's submission as well.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:23:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

>>   Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
>> throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
>> carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.
>
>Now, I'd say that's cheating, but you didn't get two of them anyways.

  !

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:37:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 391 (Alfvaen)

> That is irrelevant.  As breadbox(?) pointed out, the Rules require
> that the judgement be based on the Rules and custom at the time of the
> CFJ's submission.  That the custom established by the verdict may
> possibly be superceeded before the verdict itself is rendered does not
> alter the affect that the verdict may have on the current game state,
> as any necessary reintrepretation will be applied as of the time of
> the CFJ's submission as well.

Foo.  Well, I'll do it pre-P2024, but include notes to guide a subsequent
judge if the CFJ is resubmitted under the new conditions, if they are
different.  (And, of course, they may not be.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--The Welfare $tarlets:The Boy From Art School
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
Never hit a guy with glasses.  Always use your fists.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:35:46 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Personal Info

Antimatter wrote:

> First person to guess 2 
> of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a
> PFAntimatter.
> 
Chess, bicycling, and skiing.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:08:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Frobnotzer + Otzma

> 2) If someone is willing to calculate those parameters for the Otzma
> cards, I will declare an Otzma day.  Since those cards aren't really
> used much, I'm not sure if there is any interest.

I'm not 100% sure about the LSAP; I found a string from 1905-1910, but
the last Otzma Day might fall right into the middle of that.  Otherwise,
the longest string I could find was three--for instance, 2019-2021.  But
/dev/joe seems to think there's five, so maybe I'll let him figure that one
out.

As to the Otzma Cards stats, if I understand them correctly:

Card Name              MaxCard    LiveCard     CrIndex
Go Fish                  n/a          8           6*
Map Shard                n/a          0           6*
Summon Tornado            1           1           0
Untouch Me                18          3          15
Share My Expenses         10          1           9
Share Your Income         10          2           8
Swinging Sale             1           0           1
Tactical Retreat          10          3           7
Paratroop                 7           0           7 
Foul Fowl                 5           2           3
TruthSeeker              n/a          2           6*
Fix My Gadget             5           1           4
Scientist For A Day      n/a          0           6*
Art Thief                n/a          0           6*

* Calculated from (0+15+9+8+1+7+7+3+4)/9=6

TCrIndex=84

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--A-Ha:Crying In The Rain
Current Book--Steven Brust:Five Hundred Years After
When I hit a block of prose in a book, I just skip right over it.

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Date: 5 Jun 1997 12:48:06 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Chorg 

I am reading the enxt page of my Spell Book of Chorg.
Would the Officer in Charge of Random Things please determine my prize?

Guy Fawkes

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Date: 5 Jun 1997 12:49:12 CST/CDT
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: IP 

I am voting to REJECT the IP pending against Mr. Nacho.
I support the use of Acka-offices for personal advantage.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:47:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Frobnotzer + Otzma

> I'm not 100% sure about the LSAP; I found a string from 1905-1910, but
> the last Otzma Day might fall right into the middle of that.  Otherwise,
> the longest string I could find was three--for instance, 2019-2021.  But
> /dev/joe seems to think there's five, so maybe I'll let him figure that one
> out.

There is a streak of five accepted proposals from 1939 to 1943.

P1905-1906's results were released on April 11 at 01:47 EDT.

The last otzma day was announced at April 8, 10:24 +0300 and
began three days later, at April 11, 10:24 +0300.
10:24 +0300 = 03:24 -0400 (EDT).  So the streak from 1905-1910
did in fact get split by the last otzma day.  P1907's results
were released at April 11, 12:05 EDT.

I did not find any other streaks (besides these two) of more than
3 accepted proposals.

I believe Alfvaen's calculations of the otzma card stats were correct, also.

It is possible, but unlikely, that some of the stats or the LSAP could
change before the otzma day actually begins.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:05:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Enlightenment

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 [email-masked] wrote:

> #trinket Atilla the Pun : Enlightenment : 3
> 
> I am "getting rid of Enlightenment" by destroying it.
> 
> #award Atilla the Pun : -Enlightenment
> #award Atilla the Pun : +3 A$
> 
> (is this right?)
	Yes.

- -- 
Mohammed
When a non-smoking clown talks, a large percentage of astrologists from
Hell listen.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 384 (Atilla the Pun) 

I decline judgement on this CFJ

- -Micah Smukler
AKA AtP

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 396 (Atilla the Pun) 

I decline judgement on this CFJ, as well.

- -Micah Smukler
AKA AtP

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:52:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Anti-Gumball 

> Let me guess...forgot to put the greater-than sign in his 
> auto-posting program?  :-)

No...

I don't quite know what happened, actually, but first I accidentally sent it
late, and then my mail program didn't delete it for some reason, so I
accidentally sent it two more times.  I believe the last one is still
floating around in cyberspace somewhere... :-)

- -Micah Smukler
AKA AtP

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:30:04 -0800
From: "Jerome Herrman" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE:  Acka: Phoebe (Techno) 

Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note
From: Jerome Herrman
To:  [email-masked]'
Subject:  RE:  Acka: Phoebe (Techno)
Date: 1997-06-05 14:37
Priority: 3
Message ID: 5AFE4B59F4DBD011948C0060976638FA
Conversation ID: RE:  Acka: Phoebe (Techno)

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Phoebe emerged from her matchbox and handed me a piece of paper without   
saying a word.  The piece of paper had the following typed on it...

IMPORTANT: You must accept the enclosed License Agreement before you may   
reveal the wisdom I am about to impart on you.  If you do not accept the   
terms of the License Agreement, you are not authorized to reveal my   
wisdom!

After reading this letter from Phoebe, I turned around to ask for the   
License Agreement her letter refered to, but alas, dear Phoebe and her   
matchbox were gone.

It would appear Phoebe has been in too many windows machines and is under   
the influence of the Devil Gates himself.

Techno

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:59:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 397 (CnH)

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> >CFJ 397 has been assigned to CnH
> Decline.
	Simply by announcing the action, you can put yourself on the
CFJ Ineligibility List, which would keep you from having to do this
all the time (and keep Malenkai from having to resend them...)
	Not a big deal or anything, just thought I'd mention it.

- -- 
Mohammed
Weird things happen around tall chauffeurs.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:29:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Ross Morgan-Linial wrote:

> > >try to take over the world (unless I change my mind). First person to guess 2 
> > >of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.
> > 
> > 
> >   Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
> > throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
> > carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.
> 
> Now, I'd say that's cheating, but you didn't get two of them anyways.
	Football, baseball.  If I get another chance, jai alai.

- -- 
Mohammed
It's a shame how multitudes of jolly jolly sensational dogs treat a
babe.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:39:33 -0700
From: Joshua Nave <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Ross Morgan-Linial wrote:
> 
> > > >try to take over the world (unless I change my mind). First person to guess 2
> > > >of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.
> > >
> > >
> > >   Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
> > > throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
> > > carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.
> >
> > Now, I'd say that's cheating, but you didn't get two of them anyways.
>         Football, baseball.  If I get another chance, jai alai.
> 
> --
> Mohammed
> It's a shame how multitudes of jolly jolly sensational dogs treat a
> babe.

Interesting... first person, not first player...

What happens if a non-player guesses correctly?

bowlingarcherytenninsraquetballgolfminiaturegolftabletennins(ping-pongisatrademark)badmittonbasketballcrewtrackandfieldweightliftingwaterpolobulldogbaitingfishingsoccerelephantracingswimmingmarksmanshiphuntingkaratejudoboxingkickboxinghwarangdoakidokungfuwrestlinghopkidofencingbicycleracingskateboardingrollerbladingrollerhockeyfieldhockeylacrosserugbyfootballbaseballskirtchashing16ozcurls

Narf

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 14:46:42 -0700
From: Joshua Nave <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

Joshua Nave wrote:
> 
> Jason Orendorff wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Ross Morgan-Linial wrote:
> >
> > > > >try to take over the world (unless I change my mind). First person to guess 2
> > > > >of the 3 sports (not neccessarily competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Basketballhockeytennissoccercroquetpingpongbowlingswimmingjoggingdiscus
> > > > throwingmountainclimbinghangglidingwindsurfingsurfingskiingwaterskiing
> > > > carracingcarparkingtabletennisbilliards.
> > >
> > > Now, I'd say that's cheating, but you didn't get two of them anyways.
> >         Football, baseball.  If I get another chance, jai alai.
> >
> > --
> > Mohammed
> > It's a shame how multitudes of jolly jolly sensational dogs treat a
> > babe.
> 
> Interesting... first person, not first player...
> 
> What happens if a non-player guesses correctly?
> 
> or to put it an a more user friendly format:
bowling
archery
tennins
raquetball
golf
miniaturegolf
tabletennins(ping-pongisatrademark)
badmitton
basketball
crew
trackandfield
weightlifting
waterpolo
bulldogbaiting
fishing
soccer
elephantracing
swimming
marksmanship
hunting
karate
judo
boxing
kickboxing
hwarangdo
akido
kungfu
wrestling
hopkido
fencing
bicycleracing
skateboarding
rollerblading
rollerhockey
fieldhockey
lacrosse
rugby
football
baseball
skirtchashing
16ozcurls
Narf

> 
> Narf

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:57:54 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

> 1)What do you do for a living?

Not a lot... I'm writing up a PhD in biochemistry. It should be 
finished soon, but I've been saying that for a year now.

> 2)Where does your Ackanomic name come from?

The hero of Feersum Endjinn by Iain M. Banks. I'd just finished
reading it when I joined Acka. Bascule is my favourite character
from any book, he's lovely. He also writes phonetically, something I
haven't yet tried here, because I thought you might all throw things
at me.

> 3)What are your tastes in reading and music?

Iain M. Banks is the only author who's work I follow. IMO he is 
streets ahead of any other SF author I have read. I used to like Ray 
Bradbury a lot, Robert Heinlein (The Door into Summer is fantastic, 
and interesting because it has dated so badly, Heinlein failed to 
predict computers (along with everyone else)) HG Wells, Alexander 
Solzenitsyn, Damon Runyon (once when trying to write Runyonese in 
Acka, I accidentally insulted ThinMan), and Catch-22 is my most 
favouritest book ever. It's incredibly funny.

Musically I like Jazz, but I'm picky, no 'Trad' Jazz. Steps Ahead,
Keith Jarrett, David Sanborn, Jan Garbarek, Masqualero, Jasper Van't
Hoff, the Neils Ryde Septet, Michael Brecker, David Torn etc.
Mainstream stuff: The Pretenders, Garbage, Elastica.

> 4)Anything else you'd like to volunteer.  :-)

If you're a programmer, I recommend breadbox's INTERCAL page. I 
pissed myself from laughing at it. BTW breadbox, what about calling 
'&' knot rather than ampersand? 

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:20:17 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Personal Info

Bascule wrote:

> Solzenitsyn, Damon Runyon (once when trying to write Runyonese in 
> Acka, I accidentally insulted ThinMan), and Catch-22 is my most 
> 
I guess I'm a very forgiving fellow.  I don't even remember that
incident.

Cheers,

ThinMan
no longer insulted

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:30:32 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

> First person to guess 2 of the 3 sports (not neccessarily
> competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.

yacht racing
BASE jumping
discus throwing

Malenkai
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:42:41 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 391 Verdict

CFJ 391 has been judged TRUE.  I appreciate Alfvaen, as a relatively
new player, for taking the time to format the CFJ as I prefer.  Of
course, I still thank those of you old timers who do it too :)

#award Bascule : -1 blue thing : blueprint was judged to violate the rules
#award Museum : -1 blue thing : blueprint was judged to violate the rules

Clerk of the Courts
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgement 391
  Subject: Seeing Blue
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Robert Sevin (declined)
2nd Judge: Calvin N Hobbes (declined)
3rd Judge: Techno (declined)
4th Judge: two-star (declined)
5th Judge: Alfvaen (selected Jun 05, 1997, 20:02h EDT)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:

The Blueprint for the 'The Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too
Much, Really' (Blue Thing) defines behaviour for a Gadget that
could potentially break the rules, or could possibly be used to
break the rules.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

There exists an entity called 'Man Thin'.  The Blue Thing's Blueprint
specifies behaviour that would possibly allow someone to change the name
of our esteemed Senator Melvin to this name, which would be a violation
of rule 348.

Upon a verdict of TRUE, the Blueprint and all extant Blue Things are
destroyed, as described in rule 594 with interpretation clarified
by CFJ 261 (the last paragraph of CFJ 261's reasoning has been
superceeded by rule change; the other relavent rules (viz 594 sec (ii))
and customs remain unsubstantial

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

Here is the relevant paragraph from the Blue Thing's Blueprint:

"The Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really is able to
change the player name of any Ackanomic player to another name which is
an anagram of the original. This is accomplished when the owner of The
Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really states publicly
that he has pointed The Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much,
Really at x (where x is the name of the player being renamed) and
pressed the ENERGIZE button.  The Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do
Too Much, Really then gives the owner an anagram of the original name
which he must post to the public forum."

Notice that in this Blueprint it does not say anything about how the
particular anagram of the player's name is chosen after the Blue Thing
is used on em.  (Was this Blueprint submitted before "unambiguously
specifying the Gadgets' behaviour" became a requirement?)  Since the
rules are silent, game custom seems to dictate that the player who owns
the Blue Thing choose the anagram.  There is certainly no built-in
restriction in the Blueprint to keep a player from changing the name of
another player(or emself)to a name which would violate Rule 348.  (Rule 348
specifies that no two entities can have names that match; it does not, in
itself, as I read it, prohibit changing an entity's name to match
another's, though the results of such an action would certainly be
illegal.)

Therefore, though it saddens my heart, I am forced to conclude that the
Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really has a Blueprint
which can potentially be used to violate the rules.

CFJ 361 is an earlier ruling that such a Blueprint should be
destroyed.  To be thorough, I checked on the modifications to Rule 594
since the ruling was delivered on CFJ 361.  Malenkai is correct that
the changes would not affect the verdict delivered there, so I am
obliged to repeat it.

(Other Notes: with the recent amendments of R348, it would also be
impossible, as I read the rules, for a Blue Thing to change a player's
name to one of eir previous names unless e is wielding the Blue Thing
emself.  This may be a problem in R348 if any other name-changing device is
created.)

{{[End of Judgement ]}}

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:54:05 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

> First person to guess 2 of the 3 sports (not neccessarily
> competitive) I engage in gets a PFAntimatter.

Anvil throwing
Llama tickling
Whelk breeding

Am I close?

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:48:50 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 397 (ThinMan)

my ironic twin, ThinMan as been selected for CFJ 397.

Clerk of the Courts
may or may not be Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 397
  Subject: The infamous invisible SVH
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Calvin N Hobbes (declined)
2nd Judge: ThinMan (selected Jun 05, 1997, 18:48h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

When Malenkai returned from his recent vacation, Malenkai did not
have a duty to select a Mad Hatter for Malenkai for that vacation.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

=From R 927:

> Whenever a player has remained on a voluntarily activated vacation for
> a period exceeding 14 days (and is not already wearing a Silly
> Vacation Hat), the Officer in charge of random things shall randomly
> select an active player (hereafter known as a Mad Hatter) to design a
> Silly Vacation Hat for the vacationing player.

After returning, the player is no longer the "vacationing player".  Also,
after returning, the player has not "remained on [...] vacation".  It
seems that there is no duty to assign a Mad Hatter for a player who is
not on vacation.

OTOH, the previous Officer in charge of random things *did* have a duty.
Does said duty remain with the player or the office?  Even if it does
stay with the office, it would seem to be voided by the previous
paragraph.  It seems like an uncorrectable corruption of the game state
to me, but lets see what the Judge thinks.  I certainly apologize for
not spending the normal of time delving into this (rather interesting,
IMO) issue.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:51:53 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 384 (Malenkai)

CFJ 384 has been reassigned to Malenkai

Clerk of the Courts
may or may not be Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 384
  Subject: Possible Polythiesm
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: Guy Fawkes (declined)
2nd Judge: Atilla the Pun (declined)
3rd Judge: Malenkai (selected Jun 05, 1997, 18:51h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

A player can be a member of more than one Church at a time.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

According to Rule 102, "Resolving Conflicts", if two sections of the same
rule conflict, and there is no other section of the rule that resolves the
conflict, then the statement occurring later in the rule takes precedence.
I quote the revelant sections of Rule 1301, "Churches":

(Rule 1301)
      6. A player may not be a member of more than one Church at the same
time.

7. a. Any player may petition the Founder of a Church for membership
in that Church.
b. If Church Policy has nothing to say on accepting new members, then
Church membership will be up to the Founder. However, a Player cannot
become a member of a Church until the Founder of the Church sends a
public announcement to that effect.

So, in essence, clause 6 applies only so long as it does not contradict the
Church Founder's own whims regarding membership of eir Church, whose effect
on Church membership takes precedence by occurring later in the rule.  No
player can belong to more than once Church at a time, unless the founders of
the latterly-joined Churches decide that they are willing to accept the
player.  (Subject to Church Policy, of course, but there is nothing to say
that Church Policy has to reject players who are already members of
Churches, either.)  Clause 6 is thus entirely nullified by Clause 7, since
it can be ignored by Church Founders and makers of Church Policy with
impunity.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:53:53 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 396 (Guy Fawkes)

CFJ 396 has been reassigned to Guy Fawkes

Clerk of the Courts
may or may not be Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 396
  Subject: Trinket Creation
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: Atilla the Pun (declined)
2nd Judge: Guy Fawkes (selected Jun 05, 1997, 18:53h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

mr cwm did not create the Haddocks' Eyes Locket.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

The trinket in question was created because mr cwm was granted a Boon of
The Ancients.  Rule 1211 specifies that the player granted the Boon Must
Describe a trinket bestowed thereby.  The trinket's actual creation is the
result of the player's actions--it cannot take place until after the
trinket is described--but nowhere does it state that the player actually
creates the trinket.  The trinket is created with money from the Treasury,
not the player's own money, as it would be if the player had created it.
Nowhere in Rule 1211 or Rule 506 does it specify who, or what, is the
creator of a trinket not created specifically by a player's declaration(as
in the third paragraph of R506).

Therefore, a trinket bestowed by a Boon of The Ancients is not created by
the player who received the Boon, nor in fact by any other player.  In
fact, the term "creator of the Haddocks' Eyes Locket" may well be
meaningless under the current ruleset, or at the very least not correspond
to any existing entity.  (Perhaps Rule 1211 was the creator of the
trinket.)

In any case, if at any time a rule is to specify that "A trinket is
returned to its creator", and this CFJ is judged TRUE, then there should be
some provision for dealing with rule-created trinkets.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 18:57:25 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 398 (Vynd)

CFJ 398 has been assigned to Vynd

Clerk of the Courts
may or may not be Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 398
  Subject: Literature Scoring
Initiator: Alfvaen
    Judge: Vynd (selected Jun 05, 1997, 18:57h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

When a proposal that is Literature passes, the point value specified in
Rule 2010, "Literature", section II, is in addition to any other points
the author of that proposal would have received had the proposal not
been Literature.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

Rule 2010 contains what I feel is an ambiguous wording:  "Whenever a
proposal that is literature passes, its author gains X points.", where X is
specified in the next sentence.  This could be read as saying that those
are the only points received by the author of the proposal, and this would
be disregarded in favour of R207, which would have precedence.  I think
that game custom would dictate that a Literature proposal should receive
the R2010 points in addition to R207(or R209) points.  If this CFJ is ruled
FALSE, an amendment of R2010 is doubtless in order.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:15:59 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 383 (Techno)

CFJ 383 has been reassigned to Techno.

Jun 05 19:15 EDT: -3 Robert Sevin: failed to respond to CFJ 383

Clerk of the Courts
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat
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Call For Judgment 383
  Subject: Partial Repeals
Initiator: ThinMan
    Judge: IdiotBoy (left the game)
2nd Judge: Robert Sevin (failed to respond)
3rd Judge: Techno (selected Jun 05, 1997, 19:15h EDT)
Judgement:

Statement:

The acceptance of proposal 1992 does not cause rule 207 or rule 709 to
be changed in any way.

ThinMan's Reasoning:

Proposal 1992 contained the following two provisions:

        Repeal Rule 207, Section V [Effect of Proposals which do not
        meet Quorum]

        Repeal Rule 709, paragraph 4.  [Players in Gaol and Quorum]

The potential problem with these is that it is questionable whether it
is possible to "repeal" _parts_ of rules.

The rules no longer specify in detail what changes may be made to the
rules.  Until recently, however, they indicated that rules could be
created, amended, or repealed.  No room was allowed for repeal of
parts of rules.  Indeed, the effect that Guy Fawkes intended to achieve
may have been an amendment of the rules in question.

Because the rules no longer specify explicitly whether the changes
indicated by P1992 are legal, we must fall back on game custom to
interpret the rules.  In the past we have excised parts of rules by
amending the rules, not by attempting to "repeal" those parts.  To
whatever extent that indicates custom, the questionable clauses of
P1992 may be ineffective.  Alternatively, the judge only need find
that an attempt to "repeal" part of a rule is meaningless.

I cite Rule 104:

        If the proposal consisted of a list of one-time effects, such as
        changes to the rules, then those effects shall be applied, one
        at a time, in the order in which they appear in the proposal.
        (Ambiguous, conditional, retroactive, and/or meaningless effects
        are ignored.)

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

>> 4)Anything else you'd like to volunteer.  :-)
> 
> If you're a programmer, I recommend breadbox's INTERCAL page. I 
> pissed myself from laughing at it.

I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that.

> BTW breadbox, what about calling '&' knot rather than ampersand?

It's interesting that you bring this up, because there was a
discussion about this on the alt.lang.intercal newsgroup, and Don
Woods himself (one of the two inventors of INTERCAL) actually
explained that they had had a few good names ("treble" was my
favorite), but none of them applied equally well to *both* depictions
of the ampersand. The knotty-looking one is the most common form, but
some fonts use the one that looks like a cursive capital E. (For this
form people have suggested the names "Hitchcock" and "raspberry".)

Anyway, in response to this, I announced a mini-contest to find a
silly name for the ampersand that was appropriate to both depictions.
I announced a winner just last week, on the 25th anniversary of
INTERCAL, for the name "wheelchair". (As in the stylized symbol used
to indicate handicapped parking spaces.)

Of course, INTERCAL will likely continue to refer to it as ampersand,
because that's the name it was given. (And, of course, the wheelchair
symbol didn't exist back in 1972.)

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:40:45 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (Mohammed)

It is Mohammed's lucky day, he has found Phoebe's Matchbox.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 391 Verdict

> #award Bascule : -1 blue thing : blueprint was judged to violate the rules
> #award Museum : -1 blue thing : blueprint was judged to violate the rules

Oh, how sad.

Perhaps some scientist should draw up a blueprint for a The Really Big
Blue Thing That Really Does A Little Bit Less Than The Really Big Blue
Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really?

breadbox

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:44:06 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Museum

fnord receives this month's Museum door prize of a bonus vote (a
couple of days late, sorry).

#award fnord : +1 bonusvote : museum door prize

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:48:06 -0400
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info 

bowlingarcherytenninsraquetballgolfminiaturegolftabletennins(ping-pongisatra
demark)badmittonbasketballcrewtrackandfieldweightliftingwaterpolobulldogbait
ingfishingsoccerelephantracingswimmingmarksmanshiphuntingkaratejudoboxingkic
kboxinghwarangdoakidokungfuwrestlinghopkidofencingbicycleracingskateboarding
rollerbladingrollerhockeyfieldhockeylacrosserugbyfootballbaseballskirtchashi
ng16ozcurls

  You mis-spelled badminton.  And what's "Hwarangdoakidu"?

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:52:30 -0400
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info 

> yacht racing
> BASE jumping
> discus throwing

  I already said discus throwing.  I did not, however, yet say foozball
(yes, a real game), squid dissection, or yacht racing.  Oh, or motorboat
driving.  Or those nifty waverunner things.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:54:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IP results

The IP against Mr. Nacho is REJECTED.  Alfvaen may not author
another one for 30 days.  He also loses 10 points.

Jun 05 19:53 EDT: -10 Alfvaen: REJECTED IP

ACCEPT
- ------
/dev/joe
Antimatter was Here
Alfvaen
Mohammed
mr cwm

REJECT
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Malenkai
breadbox
Vynd
ThinMan
You can call me Al

Players who's votes failed for various reasons
- ----------------------------------------------
Mr. Nacho
Voting Gnome
Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 20:01:13 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Mad Scientist

Alfvaen is elected Mad Scientist.

Alfvaen (4)
- -------
Alfvaen
Malenkai
Evil Ballot Stuffer
Bascule

two-star (2)
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Vynd
two-star

Red Barn (3)
- --------
Red Barn
ThinMan
mr cwm

Voting Gnome attempted to vote for Red Barn, but that
vote fails.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:11:46 -0400
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Mad Scientist 

> Alfvaen is elected Mad Scientist.

  I'll get you yet, Alfvaen!  :)

> Voting Gnome attempted to vote for Red Barn, but that
> vote fails.

  Hum, out of curiousity, why?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:05:28 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Personal Info

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]> wrote:
> bowlingarcherytenninsraquetballgolfminiaturegolftabletennins(ping-pongisatra
> demark)badmittonbasketballcrewtrackandfieldweightliftingwaterpolobulldogbait
> ingfishingsoccerelephantracingswimmingmarksmanshiphuntingkaratejudoboxingkic
> kboxinghwarangdoakidokungfuwrestlinghopkidofencingbicycleracingskateboarding
> rollerbladingrollerhockeyfieldhockeylacrosserugbyfootballbaseballskirtchashi
> ng16ozcurls
> 
>   You mis-spelled badminton.  And what's "Hwarangdoakidu"?

I assume that was "Hwarangdo" (haven't the foggiest idea) and Akido, which is a 
martial art I used to take, but don't any longer (doesn't count).
- -------------------------------
Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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