Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #95
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Ackanomic Digest         Sunday, May 25 1997         Volume 02 : Number 095

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:17:22 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Last Will and Testament. 

>Mr. Nacho wrote:
>
>> We'll miss you IB.  And thanks for whatever entities you have given me
>> (if
>> you have given me entities).  I ack them.  And, I nominate IdiotBoy
>> for the
>> Hall of elders.
>>
>By my reading of the rules, and absent any clarifying remarks in
>snownacho's message, I think that this has to be taken as a second
>attempt to nominate IB to the Hall (which, by rule, is ignored)
>rather than as support of the earlier nomination.
>
>ThinMan
>Rules Lawyer

I wrote this before I saw your nomination.  If I haven't already done so, I
hereby second IB's nomination.

snowgod
rule lawyer's evil twin

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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:20:13 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Paradox wins (?) 

>I will be submitting a CFJ of my own to this effect very soon,  at least
>as soon as someone reminds me whos the acting CotC is.  (I *think* it's
>Mr.  Nachodude,  but I want someone to tell me I'm not wrong.)
>
>Habeus Corpus

You're not wrong. :)

Mr Nachodude

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:29:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Misc: What Phoebe said.

two-star wrote:
> As I was messing around with my titanite set of pentominos, I 
> discovered that I could form a 8 by 8 square with a 2 by 2 square hole 
> in it.

etc.

This was posted at Mon, 19 May 1997 10:50:22 -0700, but two-star found
Phoebe at May 12, 08:36 EDT (05:36 -0700).  The seven day time limit
for posting phoebe's wisdom had expired before the post, so two-star
carelessly lost phoebe's matchbox and the post quoted in part above
is not official phoebe wisdom.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:27:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Last Will and Testament.

> Before I leave the game, I give all my tradeable entities which it is
> legal for the Church of Odo on the Wormhole to accept to the Church of Odo
> on the Wormhole.

Your 16 remaining A$ and your 1 trinket (nada) are gift entities, and are
given the the CoOotW.  Lots of other stuff can be given to the church but
only when the church accepts it.

> If I have any remaining tradeable entities, I grant them to snowgod.
> 
> If there is any action which I can take which would allow me to leave the
> game without the creation of an Undead, I do so now.

I know of no such action.

> This sentence is the sentence which removes me from the game.

Since the church and/or snowgod had not yet accepted any entities at the
time of this part of the message :-), your undead started haunting all the
remaining stuff -- 10 PFAlfvaen still not accepted by the church, 8
processing chips, 3 foreheads, and 2 pointy ears, and your land and house.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 03:27:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Last Will and Testament.

> Before I leave the game, I give all my tradeable entities which it is
> legal for the Church of Odo on the Wormhole to accept to the Church of Odo
> on the Wormhole.

Your 16 remaining A$ and your 1 trinket (nada) are gift entities, and are
given the the CoOotW.  Lots of other stuff can be given to the church but
only when the church accepts it.

> If I have any remaining tradeable entities, I grant them to snowgod.
> 
> If there is any action which I can take which would allow me to leave the
> game without the creation of an Undead, I do so now.

I know of no such action.

> This sentence is the sentence which removes me from the game.

Since the church and/or snowgod had not yet accepted any entities at the
time of this part of the message :-), your undead started haunting all the
remaining stuff -- 10 PFAlfvaen still not accepted by the church, 8
processing chips, 3 foreheads, and 2 pointy ears, and your land and house.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:32:02 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Church of Odo - Priests

I am Ordaining Robert Sevin and You can call me Al as Priests of the
Church of Odo on the Wormhole

Niccolo Flychuck
Founder 

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:32:41 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Last Will and Testament.

On Fri, 23 May 1997, Matt Miller wrote:

> Yes, it's true, I am once again leaving Ackanmic.  This time it is
> forever, I believe.
> Before I leave the game, I give all my tradeable entities which it is
> legal for the Church of Odo on the Wormhole to accept to the Church of Odo
> on the Wormhole.

As Church Founder I ack this.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 13:39:58 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : methinks I lost a CFJ somewhere

In the back of my mind I have this nagging feeling that I accepted CFJ
about Mentors, and I was going to judge it false, and I can't find a
record of it.
Anyway, if I indeed accepted this CFJ, and haven't missed the deadline,and
if it me legal for me to do so, thenI am judging it false, I think that
mentors, regardless of whether they are on the mentor list  are allt
reated identically (sorry for this way informal format - packing packing
packing)

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:40:39 -0700
From: **Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Misc: What Phoebe said.

Well, if we're going to be picky, I accepted CFJ 379 at Thu, 15 May 1997 
13:30:23 -0700, and delivered judgment at Thu, 22 May 1997 14:45:34 
- -0700, so dock me for negligence and retract my judgement.
**two-star

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> two-star wrote:
> > As I was messing around with my titanite set of pentominos, I
> > discovered that I could form a 8 by 8 square with a 2 by 2 square hole
> > in it.
> 
> etc.
> 
> This was posted at Mon, 19 May 1997 10:50:22 -0700, but two-star found
> Phoebe at May 12, 08:36 EDT (05:36 -0700).  The seven day time limit
> for posting phoebe's wisdom had expired before the post, so two-star
> carelessly lost phoebe's matchbox and the post quoted in part above
> is not official phoebe wisdom.
> 
> /dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 10:53:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Score report

Here is the always-exciting score report.

I am assuming all the second versions of proposal results Mohammed released
are correct.  It looks like some votes from CarsesraC may have been left
out, but I am waiting for Mohammed to confirm that the votes were legally
cast before I change anything.

I have not yet updated the rules for the proposals that passed.  It is
possible that there is a null proposal in here that has gone unnoticed.

May 16 18:39 EDT: -2 CV1701: retract P2006
May 17 14:54 EDT: -2 Mohammed: retract P2007
May 17 15:44 EDT: P1976: rejected, newplayer-author
May 17 15:44 EDT: +30 /dev/joe: Whamiol (P1976 - Alfvaen and Atilla the Pun)
May 17 15:44 EDT: +30 snowgod: Whamiol (P1976 - Alfvaen and Atilla the Pun)
May 17 15:44 EDT: +60 Habeous Corpus: 2 Whamiols (P1976 - Alfvaen and Atilla)
May 19 09:36 EDT: -3 two-star: carelessly losing phoebe's matchbox
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1977: accepted, newplayer-author, modest
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1979-1981: rejected
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1983: accepted,modest,short,potato
  that's (10+5)/2 + 3 = 10; the potato points are not in rule 207.
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1984-1986: rejected
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1987: rejected, newplayer-author
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1988-1990: rejected
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1991: accepted, modest
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1992,1993: rejected
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1994,1995: accepted
May 21 01:31 EDT: P1996,1997: rejected
May 21 02:32 EDT: +7 Malenkai: Internomic P332 passed
May 21 22:27 EDT: P1998: rejected, newplayer-author
May 21 22:27 EDT: P1999-2000: accepted, newplayer-author
May 21 22:36 EDT: P2001: rejected, foolish
May 22 16:43 EDT: -2 Alfvaen: retracting P2012
May 22 16:51 EDT: P2002: rejected
May 22 16:51 EDT: P2003: accepted
May 22 16:51 EDT: P2004: accepted, modest
May 22 16:51 EDT: P2005: rejected

Side effects, and new players' stuff:

#award Eris Discordia: 894 A$: starting cash (24129/27)
#award Joon: 894 A$: starting cash (25023/28)

(plus bonds, plus there should be mentors assigned to these players)

#award Guy Fawkes: 1 processing chip: P1994
#award Red Barn: 4 processing chip: P1995
#award Alfvaen: 1 processing chip: P1999
#award Alfvaen: 1 processing chip: P2000
#award Guy Fawkes: 4 processing chip: P2003

(from the keys)

#award Robert Sevin: -7 A$ : gold key May 19
#award ThinMan: -1 pc: bronze key May 19

Current Scores:
(This is not a mistake.  IdiotBoy was in the lead when he left the game,
due to having successfully anti-voted on 15 proposals in that last batch,
including one foolish one, and a total of 28 anti-votes this cycle,
including 6 foolish ones, out of 53 proposals!)

Score   Ackanomic Name    Status Real Name
- -----   --------------      1234 -------------
83      IdiotBoy             D   (Matt Miller)
69      Guy Fawkes           Ag  (Robert Shimmin)
54      Alfvaen              A   (Aaron Humphrey)
48      Bascule              A   (Matt Black)
46      Vynd                 A   (John McCoy)
45      Habeous Corpus       N   (Ed Graham)
43      snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
42      Atilla the Pun       A   (Micah Smukler)
41      /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
40      mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
40      Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
34      You can call me Al   A   (Wally Holland)
31      Antimatter           A   (Ross Morgan-Linial)
28      Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff)
15      ThinMan              Av  (John Bollinger)
10      two-star             A   (Alexandre Muniz)
7       breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
0       Sunflare            NP   (Phil Bordelon)
0       Joon                nV   (Lisa Griffith)
0       Eris Discordia      NP   (Erikk Piper)
0       Ackers               Ii  (Sean Crystal)
- -2      CV1701              NP   (Chris Vogt)
- -5      Red Barn             A   (Daniel Knapp)
- -5      Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain)
- -11     Robert Sevin         Av  (Mitchell Harding)
- -12     CarsesraC            A   (Jeroen M.W. van Dijk)
- -15     fnord                A   (Michael J. Thomas)
- -22     Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
- -86     Malenkai            AVv  (Randy Hall)

Status:
Column 1: N=New R=Returning (for Pending players)
Column 1: N=New R=Returning A=Active n=Non-voting (for Vacationing players)
Column 2: A=Active, P=Pending, N=Non-voting, V=Vacation, I=On Ice, D=Dead
Other columns: v=Victory Eggplant, g=Chartreuse Goose,
f=Frobbed Widget of Yendor, i=Involuntary (last put-on-vacation)

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 11:05:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Scoring correction

Alfvaen privately noted (correctly) that P1999 also made him silly
(and gave him 5 more points than I reported).  I was still looking
for "cows eat grass" and failed to notice.

#award Alfvaen: silly: P1999

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 18:41:13 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: Acka: IdiotBoy

> >>> With oddly mixed emotions, I hereby nominate IdiotBoy to the Hall of
> >>> Elders.
> >>> 
> >>I support IdiotBoy's nomination to the Hall of Elders.
> >
> >  Oy, do I get a chance?  I third it.
> 
> I support it.
> 
> Calvin N Hobbes

I support it too.

CarsesraC 
- --
Good news: I got a job !!!
My future company is Getronics Network Services.
And I will be working as a helpdeskworker.
GNS is also specialised in interworkservices.

Jeroen M.W. van Dijk

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 18:41:13 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Last Will and Testament.

> Reply-to:      [email-masked]
> From:          "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
> Subject:       Re: Acka: Last Will and Testament.
> To:            [email-masked]
> Date:          Sat, 24 May 1997 03:27:27 -0500 (CDT)

> > Before I leave the game, I give all my tradeable entities which it is
> > legal for the Church of Odo on the Wormhole to accept to the Church of Odo
> > on the Wormhole.
> 
> Your 16 remaining A$ and your 1 trinket (nada) are gift entities, and are
> given the the CoOotW.  Lots of other stuff can be given to the church but
> only when the church accepts it.
> 
> > If I have any remaining tradeable entities, I grant them to snowgod.
> > 
> > If there is any action which I can take which would allow me to leave the
> > game without the creation of an Undead, I do so now.
> 
> I know of no such action.

I do know one action: 
Waiting until the rest of the stuff is accepted or not-accepted :)
 
> > This sentence is the sentence which removes me from the game.
> 
> Since the church and/or snowgod had not yet accepted any entities at the
> time of this part of the message :-), your undead started haunting all the
> remaining stuff -- 10 PFAlfvaen still not accepted by the church, 8
> processing chips, 3 foreheads, and 2 pointy ears, and your land and house.
> 
So Im saying that IB is not undead, as long the church or snowgod 
publicly not accept any of the stuff that is named in the message of 
/dev/joe.

CarsesraC
- --
Good news: I got a job !!!
My future company is Getronics Network Services.
And I will be working as a helpdeskworker.
GNS is also specialised in interworkservices.

Jeroen M.W. van Dijk

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 18:41:15 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Email forwarding?

> 	Another bot overhaul is overdue, btw; it needs to allow
> 
> #user mohammed : password
> 
> 	...so that people can send mail from addresses other than
> their normal address.  I am considering making the #user line
> mandatory, or at least allowing individual players to make it
> mandatory if they wish.
> 	However, given the way the bot is currently structured (it
> decides your identity before doing *anything* else) adding this
> feature will mean rewriting a largish block of code.
> 	Comments?  Now's the time for them.
The identity is now decided based on return adress, but thats very 
unsafe. In my mailreader I can easily change my return adress as I 
did recently.

If I want to manipilate the 'bot I can sent 15 false messages to the 
bot just before the end of voting periode. And my proposal will pass. 

There is a need for passwords if the voting is done by email, but 
that means a lot of rewriting of the code and rewriting of rules.

CarsesraC 
 
- --
Good news: I got a job !!!
My future company is Getronics Network Services.
And I will be working as a helpdeskworker.
GNS is also specialised in interworkservices.

Jeroen M.W. van Dijk

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:09:39 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Church of Odo

In a previous message I anounced that CarseraC was a member of the Church
of Odo, turns out I meant CarsesraC

I apologize for this typo.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 20:10:21 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : MetaMorhp

I also believe that CarsesraC requested membership in MetMoprh, I approve
of CarsesraC joining MetaMorph.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 17:35:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ping?

So who has the Machine That Goes *ping*?  Has it gone to anyone since
CarsesraC refused it?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--The Spice Girls:Say You'll Be There
Current Book--C.S. Friedman:Black Sun Rising
Look under the surface, and, if you're really lucky, there's more surface.

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Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 00:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Enfants (was RFC: Reneisance etc...)isance etc..)

Well, while I agree that Acka seems to be getting rather staid, set in
it's ways, I think this is going to far.  There's really no difference
between these Enfants and completely seperate Nomics.  Frankly, I don't
think Acka can support something like this.  We've all seen the posts by
various ackazens about how now that they're playing on Rishonomic, or
Agora, or whatever, they don't have much time to devote to Acka anymore.
By establishing these Enfants, we're encouraging people to draw their
attention and time away from Acka itself and into their own smaller
nomics.  If we're really interested in bringing new life to Ackanomic, I
think we should work on new rules for acka itself, not just rubber stamp
new nomics with the acka seal of approval.

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 22:54:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IdiotBoy

I further support IdiotBoy's nomination to the Hall of Elders.  Though I've
barely known him, I'll be darned if his nomination fails by one
confirmation point because I haven't supported this motion.  (As I count
it, there are now 9 points in his favour, and 22 active players, but this
is just a quick count so ICOCBW.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--Beethoven:Symphony No. 5/Egmont
Current Book--C.S. Friedman:Black Sun Rising
When the moon is in a sloppy house, and Jupiter spills beer on Mars...

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