Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #83
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest         Tuesday, May 13 1997         Volume 02 : Number 083

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:44:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  bwg

I hereby change my status from non-voting to voting.

- -- 
Mohammed
tagline program seems to be broken

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:57:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  voting status

I have placed the following on active, voting status once again:

Antimatter
Niccolo Flychuck
fnord
IdiotBoy
two-star
Guy Fawkes
breadbox
Bascule
snowgod
You can call me Al
Mohammed

- -- 
Mohammed

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 02:02:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Finance instructions for the bot

There are three different commands.  Do not try to send these commands
to the bot; it won't accept them from anyone but the financier.
Instead, put them in your message and I'll take care of the rest--
it's just a *lot* easier on me if you use the right format so all I
have to do is cut & paste.

If you cannot remember the format and don't want to go look it up, just 
try and get it somewhere close... but by following the format, however 
weird it looks, you will get to be my best friend...

========================================

For simple trades, gifts, and the like, use #transfer.  The format is:

#transfer giver, recipient : [quantity] type : the date and other comments

Some examples for the past month...

#transfer devjoe, fnord:jukkasjarvi fragment 1 : Mar 28 1907
#transfer fnord, devjoe:jukkasjarvi fragment 12

#transfer Buried, /dev/joe : Staff of the Silicon Python : Apr 2 2350

#transfer Malenkai, you can call me al: earth : Earth Auction - Mar 30 0949
#transfer You can call me Al , Malenkai: 112 A$ : Earth Auction

==============================

For creating a trinket, use #trinket.  (For trading trinkets, though, you 
can use #transfer as above.)

#trinket your name : Trinket's name : trinket value : comment

The trinket's name should appear *exactly* as you want it (anywhere *else*
in these commands, caps and spaces don't matter).  That's the name
it'll get in the bot records forevermore.

For example, what IdiotBoy did earlier this month looks like this:

#trinket IdiotBoy: Original Rules Manuscript : 500 : Apr 5 1150
#trinket IdiotBoy: Lucky Ball and Chain : 50 : Apr 5 1150
#transfer IdiotBoy, Buried : Original Rules Manuscript, \
    Lucky Ball and Chain, 5 PFTechno : Apr 5 1153

Yes, you can split lines, but throw a backslash at the end please.  And, 
you can #transfer several different things together, using commas to 
separate.

==========================================================

For anything else, use #award.

#award player name : [+-] [quantity] type  [: date and comments]

#award carsesrac : 1010 A$ : joined the game - Apr 7 2213
#award niccolo flychuck : Silver Stripe
#award mohammed : -9 A$ : late fees as SC justice
#award niccolo flychuck : 25 A$ : chess-umpire salary
#award Narf : -18 A$ : chartreuse goose salary
#award Malenkai : -110 A$, +evil ballot stuffer : Auction - 1953 Apr 11

The bot's fairly smart; if you have any questions please feel free to ask. 

- -- Mohammed

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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:57:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Registrarness

I've been doing the registrar thing alot today.  As of now we have two new
players.  Let me introduce you to Atilla the Pun, real name Micah Smukler,
email adress [email-masked].  He is an aquarius, and owns three pairs of
shoes, one for basketball, onbe for work, and a pair of sandals for around
the house.  In the summer he enjoyus rock climbing and bicycle rugby.  He
has a dog named spot.

The mentor pool is depleted (I'm assuming it's legal for players to remove
themselves from the pool) and so Mohammed has been randomly selected as his
mentor.

In response to the market research question I am still awaiting a reply.
Perhaps, when I recieve it, I will forward it along to all of you good
folks out there.

Now, let me introduce you to CV1701, real name John Doe (until he tells me
otherwise), email adress [email-masked]. He is a taurus, is not affiliated
with webtw.net and has never heard of epondimonas (or so I hope).  In his
spare time he likes to dive for rocks.

Guy Fawkes has been randomly selected to ment for him.

In response to the market research question, he writes:

> Web site.

Let's welcome them to Ackanomic,
Mr. Nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:00:36 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Acting CotC 

Citizens,

I am the acting CotC.  If there are any outstanding judgements who's
results hgave been sent to Malenkai, please send them to me instead.  I
have one CFJ to distribute, which I will do trommorow when I have time to
get a handle on the current state of the judiciary.

Thanks, and that is all.

Mr. Nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:28:21 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Suffrage Reclamation

I hereby change myself from non-voting to voting status.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:36:07 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

Niccolo Flychuck carelessly lost Phoebe's matchbox several days ago.

Niccolo Flychuck -3 Carelessly losing Phoebe's Matchbox

It has been found by two-star.

ThinMan
Acting Speaker

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:23:30 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Miscellany

This must be two-star's lucky day; not only did he find Phoebe's
matchbox, but he has also been selected to receive the Magic Potato.

#transfer /dev/joe, two-star: Magic Potato

/dev/joe receives the Great Tuba, from whomever has it.  It is not
listed on his p/e page, but the last person I knew to have it was me.

#transfer ThinMan, /dev/joe: Great Tuba

The following Alien Target Designation Numbers were rolled:

1049
883
329

None of these is the number of a rule.  1049 and 883 are prime, but
329 (= 7*47) is not.

ThinMan
Acting Speaker

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:30:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Miscellany

> This must be two-star's lucky day; not only did he find Phoebe's
> matchbox, but he has also been selected to receive the Magic Potato.
> 
> #transfer /dev/joe, two-star: Magic Potato
> 
> /dev/joe receives the Great Tuba, from whomever has it.  It is not
> listed on his p/e page, but the last person I knew to have it was me.
> 
> #transfer ThinMan, /dev/joe: Great Tuba

The potato and tuba owners (in addition to being listed on the P/E page)
are always listed on the score page, for my own reference).  Niccolo
Flychuck had the potato, and he gets the tuba.  Bascule had the tuba, 
and even scored points for it on P1966.
Mohammed, please ignore the transfers above and instead use:

#transfer Niccolo Flychuck, two-star: Magic Potato
#transfer Bascule, Niccolo Flychuck: Great Tuba

> The following Alien Target Designation Numbers were rolled:
> None of these is the number of a rule.  1049 and 883 are prime, but
> 329 (= 7*47) is not.

Close call, though.

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:48:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

Hi, Atilla, and welcome to the game!  Welcome also to CV1701!  I hope
you both have an enormous amount of fun in here.

I've never been a mentor before.  I guess I should brush up on the
rules.

- -- 
Mohammed
in near-ment condition
has a camel named Spot

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: New players; scores

Atilla the Pun gets A$888 as his starting money (based on A$22187 distributed
among 25 players).  CV1701 also gets A$888 (A$23075/26).

Each of them gets 100 PFbonds in their own names.

Bond dividends are paid later today.

I believe the current scores are (+ 0 for the new players):

Score	Ackanomic Name    Status Real Name
- -----	--------------      1234 -------------
41	Guy Fawkes           A   (Robert Shimmin)
35	IdiotBoy             A   (Matt Miller)
25	Techno               N   (Jerome Herrman)
18	Bascule              A   (Matt Black)
16	You can call me Al   A   (Wally Holland)
15	Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff)
13	Vynd                 N   (John McCoy)
7	mr cwm               N   (Eric Murray)
0	Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
0	Alfvaen             NP   (Aaron Humphrey)
0	Sunflare            NP   (Phil Bordelon)
0	Ackers               Ii  (Sean Crystal)
- -1	Red Barn             N   (Daniel Knapp)
- -2	two-star             A   (Alexandre Muniz)
- -2	Antimatter           A   (Ross Morgan-Linial)
- -5	breadbox             Ag  (Brian Raiter)
- -5	Calvin N Hobbes      N   (Thierry Joffrain)
- -6	ThinMan              Av  (John Bollinger)
- -9	/dev/joe             Av  (Joseph DeVincentis)
- -11	Robert Sevin         Nv  (Mitchell Harding)
- -12	CarsesraC            N   (Jeroen M.W. van Dijk)
- -15	fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
- -15	Habeous Corpus       N   (Ed Graham)
- -26	snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
- -91	Malenkai             Vv  (Randy Hall)

Status: 
Column 1: N=New R=Returning (for Pending players)
Column 2: A=Active, P=Pending, N=Non-voting, V=Vacation, I=On Ice, D=Dead
Other columns: v=Victory Eggplant, g=Chartreuse Goose,
f=Frobbed Widget of Yendor, i=Involuntary (last put-on-vacation)

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:50:17 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Miscellany

/dev/joe wrote:

> The potato and tuba owners (in addition to being listed on the P/E
> page)
> are always listed on the score page, for my own reference).  Niccolo
> Flychuck had the potato, and he gets the tuba.  Bascule had the tuba, 
> and even scored points for it on P1966.
> 
Well then, whatever p/e page is linked from the main Acka page is not
fully updated.  I did not check the score page though.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:52:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: I Am, Once More, A Goof

I hereby retract Proposal #1978, which has not yet been distributed,
because it is an exact duplicate of Proposal #1977.  Mea culpa, I'd lost
track of which proposals I'd already submitted, I thwap myself with the
Salmon of Correction, etc.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--The Best of Melanie
Current Book--Wild Cards XI:Dealer's Choice
Ride that camel through the eye of a phonograph needle

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:06:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: I Am, Once More, A Goof

> I hereby retract Proposal #1978, which has not yet been distributed,
> because it is an exact duplicate of Proposal #1977.  Mea culpa, I'd lost
> track of which proposals I'd already submitted, I thwap myself with the
> Salmon of Correction, etc.

Actually, it has been distributed, and it immediately became invalid
due to being the same as P1977.  (Thus, you can't officially retract it,
but it is gone, anyway.)

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:08:10 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Presidential

Mr. Nacho wrote:

> Umm, being the ambiguous president and all, I feel it is my duty to do
> something presidential... something fun.  I want to purchase an earth
> defense laser, yeah, thats it.  Anyone want to donate a few bucks to
> the
> cause?  I'll purchase the defensive systems on the rule specifified by
> the
> biggest philanthropist
> 
Hey, Mr. President!  Top Dog!  Big Nacho Cheese!  Where's that new
defense system?  I held a bake sale and sent in A$75, and I know at
least A$100 were donated by other interested parties.  Are you ignoring
the dire threat of Sinister Alien attack?

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:12:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Bot Results

> Acrobot processing commands for /dev/joe on Mon May 12 10:04:54 1997.
> > #submit proposal Xxxxxxxxxx
> Error:  You are a non-voting player.
>         Only voting players are allowed to submit proposals.

Mohammed apparently overdid the non-voting players bit in the acrobot.
I am a voting player - the only one who did not become non-voting.

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:30:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I Am, Once More, A Goof

> 
> > I hereby retract Proposal #1978, which has not yet been distributed,
> > because it is an exact duplicate of Proposal #1977.  Mea culpa, I'd lost
> > track of which proposals I'd already submitted, I thwap myself with the
> > Salmon of Correction, etc.
> 
> Actually, it has been distributed, and it immediately became invalid
> due to being the same as P1977.  (Thus, you can't officially retract it,
> but it is gone, anyway.)

Hmmm.  If it has been distributed, I haven't seen it yet.  But then, I seem
to get Acka mailing list mail in a non-deterministic fashion.  (Replies
before originals, etc.)  Nothing serious, of course.  And two-star's
messages always seem to come from the future anyway.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Current Album--The Best of Melanie
Current Book--Wild Cards XI:Dealer's Choice
Error #56: Nut loose on keyboard.

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:34:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Potato + Aliens (revisited)

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Guy Fawkes wrote:
> This is, of course, complicated by Mohammed's lapse into inactivity for 
> finals.
	I just came across this and had to laugh.  I didn't notice
what it said the first 2 or 3 times I read it.  :o)

- -- 
Mohammed
was not inactive

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:44:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

On Sun, 11 May 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> Now, let me introduce you to CV1701, real name John Doe (until he tells me
> otherwise), email adress [email-masked]. He is a taurus, is not affiliated
> with webtw.net and has never heard of epondimonas (or so I hope).  In his
> spare time he likes to dive for rocks.
> 
> Guy Fawkes has been randomly selected to ment for him.

Since I will be going on what could become Permanent Vacation when the 
semester ends at the end of this week, it would be irresponsible of me to 
accept this mentorship.

Still, welcome to the game, and have a very good time!

In related news, I offer to sell Tarzan's Tree House to Niccolo Flychuck 
for A$1, and I would like very much if there was a volunteer to take over 
my position on the viruses board beginning Saturday.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:39:07 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness 

>I've been doing the registrar thing alot today.  As of now we have two new
>players.  Let me introduce you to Atilla the Pun, real name Micah Smukler,
>email adress [email-masked].  He is an aquarius, and owns three pairs of
>shoes, one for basketball, onbe for work, and a pair of sandals for around
>the house.  In the summer he enjoyus rock climbing and bicycle rugby.  He
>has a dog named spot.
>
>The mentor pool is depleted (I'm assuming it's legal for players to remove
>themselves from the pool) and so Mohammed has been randomly selected as his
>mentor.

Okay, okay, I lied.  There was one mentor left.  Breadbox
<[email-masked]> is really and truly mentor for Atilla the Pun.

Mr. Nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Status

On Sun, 11 May 1997, fnord wrote:

>I hereby change my status from Non-Voting Player to Voting Player.
>
>fnord
>

  Zorf, me, as well.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Internomic Stuff

>Proposal 335: International Relations
>
>This proposal creates a new rule which reads as follows:
>
>All member nomics are initially Neutral to one another. Any member nomic
>may declare any other member nomic to be an Ally, Neutral or Enemy at any
>time by having their liaison publicly announce the change on the
>Internomic mailing list. This shall be known as the Attitude of the first
>nomic to the second. These three Attitudes are mutually exclusive and not
>necessarily reciprocal.

  BwaHaHa, I stole this and proposed this in Autonomic.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:17:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  2nd stupidest thing done this morning

The Acrobot's database is _gone_.  There was a rare error on output
and the bot threw an exception in the middle of writing the file.  The
file is trashed.  As a result I'm falling back on my latest backup
which is appallingly old (one month old, in fact.)

The proposal database is kept in a separate file, so it survived.  I
was actually planning to keep the passwords in a seperate file too,
starting this afternoon, but so much for that.  Everyone's passwords
are toast.  The entity records are, likewise, gone.  I am considering
rebuilding the database from scratch.  The backup is old enough
that it's not really much use.

- -- 
Mohammed
world of hurt

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:52:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  2nd stupidest thing done this morning

> The Acrobot's database is _gone_.  There was a rare error on output
> and the bot threw an exception in the middle of writing the file.  The
> file is trashed.  As a result I'm falling back on my latest backup
> which is appallingly old (one month old, in fact.)

Ouch!

> The proposal database is kept in a separate file, so it survived.  I
> was actually planning to keep the passwords in a seperate file too,
> starting this afternoon, but so much for that.  Everyone's passwords
> are toast.  The entity records are, likewise, gone.  I am considering
> rebuilding the database from scratch.  The backup is old enough
> that it's not really much use.

My squeaky fresh new password, that I'd only used once?  :-)  Do we need to
resubmit votes, too, or was that in the proposal database?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Neil Diamond:Forever In Blue Jeans
Current Book--Wild Cards XI:Dealer's Choice
Please eat up quickly once the package is opened by you.  --AjD

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:04:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 2nd stupidest thing done this morning

Acrobot frequently asked questions wrote:
> My squeaky fresh new password, that I'd only used once?  :-)  Do we need to
> resubmit votes, too, or was that in the proposal database?

A:  Your password is waxed, but your votes are indeed safe.

I have also found a backup from April 19, which still isn't too good
but it's better than April 9, because in between I made a few changes
to make the finance parts of the bot work more smoothly.

- -- 
Moh
busy

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:12:34 -0600 (MDT)
From: Aaron Humphrey <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 2nd stupidest thing done this morning

> Acrobot frequently asked questions wrote:
> > My squeaky fresh new password, that I'd only used once?  :-)  Do we need to
> > resubmit votes, too, or was that in the proposal database?
> 
> A:  Your password is waxed, but your votes are indeed safe.

Although Acrobot has no idea who I am, now, so it won't give me a new
password, and probably would get confused about whose votes those were if
it tried to think too hard about it.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.terranet.ab.ca/~aaron/)
Song In My Head--Neil Diamond:Forever In Blue Jeans
Current Book--Wild Cards XI:Dealer's Choice
You're so vain, I bet you think this tagline's about you

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Status

On Mon, 12 May 1997, Red Barn wrote:

>On Sun, 11 May 1997, fnord wrote:
>
>>I hereby change my status from Non-Voting Player to Voting Player.
>>
>>fnord
>>
>
>  Zorf, me, as well.
>
>-Red Barn

"And I suppose if all your friends became voting players, you would as
well?"

Um ... yes.  Please make me a voting player.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:46:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  work

I have to go cut the grass now.  The bot is in a state of up-ish-ness.
I made best guesses at everyone's status.  I don't know how many
people are missing; certainly the entity list has no bearing on reality.

- -- 
Moh
p.s.  Should I change my name to Muhammad?

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:09:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Voting Status

I hearby change my status to that of Voting Player.

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that our esteemed
President, Mr. Nacho, is still not a voting player.  Some people may have
been fooled into thinking that he had changed his status by a clever bit
of subterfuge submitted by his evil look-a-like, snowgod.  Indeed, even
Mr. Nacho seems to have been fooled.  I was thinking of waiting a week or
so and then pointing this fact out, therby creating much chaos.  Then I
realized that Mr. Nacho is not only the President but the Registrar,
Ambassador, and acting CotC, and I decided it might not be such a bad idea
to have him around...

                             - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:44:38 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness 

>Now, let me introduce you to CV1701, real name John Doe (until he tells me
>otherwise), email adress [email-masked]. He is a taurus, is not affiliated
>with webtw.net and has never heard of epondimonas (or so I hope).  In his
>spare time he likes to dive for rocks.
>
>Guy Fawkes has been randomly selected to ment for him.
>
>In response to the market research question, he writes:
>
>> Web site.
>
>Let's welcome them to Ackanomic,
>Mr. Nacho

The scandal continues.  It has become apperant that I grabbed the wrong
list when selecting mentors.  Bascule is still on the active mentor pool
also, and has been selected to ment for CV1701.

snow Nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:46:51 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Presidential 

>Mr. Nacho wrote:
>
>> Umm, being the ambiguous president and all, I feel it is my duty to do
>> something presidential... something fun.  I want to purchase an earth
>> defense laser, yeah, thats it.  Anyone want to donate a few bucks to
>> the
>> cause?  I'll purchase the defensive systems on the rule specifified by
>> the
>> biggest philanthropist
>>
>Hey, Mr. President!  Top Dog!  Big Nacho Cheese!  Where's that new
>defense system?  I held a bake sale and sent in A$75, and I know at
>least A$100 were donated by other interested parties.  Are you ignoring
>the dire threat of Sinister Alien attack?
>
>ThinMan

Oh grazi,

Let me check my funds when I return from work and then, assuming I have
enough, I will purchase the mother of all defensive systems and draw a line
in the sand (er, earth?)

president nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:37:05 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Even more registrarness 

This just in.  Hot of the presses!  Get your player name info here.

John doe (aka cv1701) has a real name:

>Btw... My Name is Chris Vogt, My birthday is Sept 2 (figure out the sign),
>and in my spare time I like to shoot hoops and surf the web.

mr nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:40:35 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Voting Status 

>I hearby change my status to that of Voting Player.
>
>I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that our esteemed
>President, Mr. Nacho, is still not a voting player.  Some people may have
>been fooled into thinking that he had changed his status by a clever bit
>of subterfuge submitted by his evil look-a-like, snowgod.  Indeed, even
>Mr. Nacho seems to have been fooled.  I was thinking of waiting a week or
>so and then pointing this fact out, therby creating much chaos.  Then I
>realized that Mr. Nacho is not only the President but the Registrar,
>Ambassador, and acting CotC, and I decided it might not be such a bad idea
>to have him around...
>
>
>                             - Vynd
>
>[email-masked]

I hink my actions were sufficient to change my status, but just in case
they weren't, and who knows anymore with this unweildy ruleset, I am hereby
once again publically, unambiguosly, and in a manner consistent with my use
of run on sentences, changing my status from that oif a non voting player,
to that of a player who can, and possibly will, vote.

Mr. Nacho

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:10:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Dividends

The scores at noon EDT today were as I posted them this morning.

Bond Dividend Calculation
- -------------------------
Ackers: 0.16  -->  87*0 + 4*4
Alfvaen: 0.0  -->  100*0
Antimatter: -1.0  -->  100*-2/2
Atilla the Pun: 0.0  -->  100*0
Bascule: 33.0  -->  100*33
breadbox: -2.1  -->  84*-5/2
Calvin N Hobbes: -2.5  -->  100*-5/2
CarsesraC: -6.0  -->  100*-12/2
CV1701: 0.0  -->  100*0
/dev/joe: 21.23  -->  91*21 + 50*0 + 2*-3/2 + 5*25 + 10*9
fnord: -6.6  -->  1*-5/2 + 2*21 + 93*-15/2 + 1*7 + 1*4 + 1*-26/2
Guy Fawkes: 30.75  -->  75*41
Habeous Corpus: 0.0  -->  20*0
IdiotBoy: 0  -->  0
Malenkai: -1.185  -->  79*-3/2
Mohammed: 26.375  -->  2*21 + 5*-15/2 + 2*-3/2 + 88*30 + 5*7 + 17*0 + 3*-26/2
mr cwm: 8.295  -->  1*-15/2 + 5*30 + 94*7 + 5*4 + 1*9
Niccolo Flychuck: 9.225  -->  5*0 + 5*-5/2 + 5*21 + 20*35 + 5*-3/2 + 2*30 +
   50*0 + 5*-1/2 + 5*4 + 5*-26/2 + 5*25
Red Barn: -0.45  -->  90*-1/2
Robert Sevin: 2.27  -->  3*0 + 1*-15/2 + 1*-3/2 + 85*4 + 10*-26/2 + 2*13
snowgod: 24.465  -->  50*35 + 1*-3/2 + 5*30 + 3*0 + 54*-26/2 + 50*25
Sunflare: 0.0  -->  100*0
Techno: 17.25  -->  30*0 + 30*35 + 30*0 + 25*-26/2 + 40*25
ThinMan: 7.86  -->  10*-3/2 + 89*9
two-star: -1.0  -->  100*-2/2
Vynd: 12.74  -->  98*13
You can call me Al: 16.0  -->  100*16

Actual Dividends for financier:
- -------------------------------
#award Ackers: +1 A$: dividends
#award Antimatter: -1 A$: dividends
#award Bascule: +33 A$: dividends
#award breadbox: -3 A$: dividends
#award Calvin N Hobbes: -3 A$: dividends
#award CarsesraC: -6 A$: dividends
#award /dev/joe: +22 A$: dividends
#award fnord: -7 A$: dividends
#award Guy Fawkes: +31 A$: dividends
#award Malenkai: -2 A$: dividends
#award mr cwm: +9 A$: dividends
#award Niccolo Flychuck: +10 A$: dividends
#award Red Barn: -1 A$: dividends
#award Robert Sevin: +3 A$: dividends
#award snowgod: +25 A$: dividends
#award Techno: +18 A$: dividends
#award ThinMan: +8 A$: dividends
#award two-star: -1 A$: dividends
#award Vynd: +13 A$: dividends
#award You can call me Al: +16 A$: dividends

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:00:24 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 379 (two star) 

Atilla the Pun jumps right in to claim the Chartruese Goose.  Gotta love
those new players.  -Acting CotC

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Call For Judgement 379
Subject: A Tounge Twisting Paradox
Initiator: Atilla the Pun
Judge: two-star
Judgement:

Statement:

The legality of an Acting Senator voting to confirm the appointment of a
Justice, in the case where the Senator replaced by the Acting Senator is not
on Vacation, cannot be determined with finality.

Atilla the Pun's Reasoning:

This is a Paradox Win CFJ.

First, the applicable rules and rulings:
[all statements in brackets other than this one are my own clarifications
based on the way I cut the documents.]

>From Rule 416:
xJustices are appointed by the President and confirmed by Senate vote.x

Rule 411:
The Office of Senator has four Seats.  The Speaker is not eligible to
hold this office.  The Senators are collectively an Institution known
as the Senate. The Speaker or Acting Speaker is the titular head of
the Senate, with the title of ProConsul.  When a Senate vote is tied,
the ProConsul may cast a tiebreaking vote on the matter in question.

>From Rule 409:
x(ii)  Duties:
The Duties of an Office are the tasks that the
Officer(s) are expected to carry out to facilitate
the conduct of Ackanomic business.  Duties tend to
be typified by the compilation, maintenance, and
distribution of information.
(iii) Privileges:
The Privileges of an Office are the considerations
the Officer(s) receive according to the Rules
regulating the Office.  Examples can include the
receipt of Ackanomic currency, the ability to cast
extra votes in certain circumstance, or special
consideration with regards to making appointments
or issuing CFJ decisions.
(iv)  Acting Officers:
The Rules may specify conditions under which a Player
serves in an Office in an "Acting" capacity.  In such
a case, the Player is responsible for performing all
of the Duties without receiving any of the Privileges
of the Office, except for Privileges which are also
explicitly defined to be Duties by the rules, or Privileges
required to perform explicitly defined Duties, or Privileges
of the office when the Acting officer is filling in for a
vacationing player. For any given Seat, there can be
an "Acting" Officer only if the Seat is vacant.
Non-voting players may only be acting officers for offices
which may normally be held by non-voting players.x

>From CFJ 223:
xClearly the vote [to confirm a justice] is to "carry out to facilitate the
conduct of Ackanomic
business".  Confirming Justices is Ackanomic business, thus a "duty" from
(ii) above.

Clearly it is also "the ability to cast extra votes in certain circumstance,
or special consideration with regards to making appointments", thus a
privilege from (iii) above.

Therefore it is both a duty and a privilege.x

By the reasoning used by Malenkai in CFJ 223, the confirmation of Justices is
a Duty associated with the office of Senator.  Therefore, an Acting Senator
must vote to confirm a Justice.

However, again by Malenkai's reasoning, the confirmation of Justices is also
a Privilege.  Therefore, an Acting Senator may only perform it if one of the
following conditions is true:

(a) It is a Privilege which is also explicitly defined to be a Duty by the
rules
(b) It is a Privilege which is required to perform explicitly defined Duties
(c) The Acting officer is filling in for a Vacationing player.

Obviously, (c) is not the case; this was part of the hypothetical situation
set up by the statement.

At first glance, the confirmation of a Justice appears to meet criterion (a).
 Though confirmation, by Malenkai's reasoning, is a Privilege, it is also a
Duty.  However, nowhere in the ruleset does it explicitly state that
confirmation of Justices is in fact a Duty of Senators; this fact must be
inferred from the definition of a Duty.

The definition rule for the Senate (Rule 411, above) does not explicitly
define any Duties, nor, to my knowledge, are there any explicitly defined
Duties of the Office of Senator anywhere else in the Rules.  Even if there
are, it is difficult to see how a Duty could exist for which it is necessary
to confirm a Justice, except for the Duty of confirming Justices.  Therefore,
since this Duty is nowhere explicitly defined, the Privilege of confirming
Justices fails part (b), above.

Since confirmation of Justices is a Privilege for which none of the above
conditions apply, then, by Rule 409, an Acting Senator may not confirm a
Justice.  However, since confirmation of Justices is also a Duty, it is
possible for an Acting Senator to confirm a Justice, again by Rule 409.
 Therefore, it is both legal and illegal for the Acting Senator to confirm
the Justice, causing a state of paradox.

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:02:54 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 380 (breadbox) 

Call For Judgement 379
Subject: Non-Volunteering Mentor Payments
Initiator: /dev/joe
Judge: breadbox
Judgement:

Statement:
If a non-volunteering mentor is selected, he receives the A$25 payment for
mentoring only after he accepts the assignment.

Reasoning:
See rules 252 and 253.  It is quite possible that the opposite is true --
that he gets the A$25 immediately, even if he then declines the selection;
in that case, the next mentor selected also gets A$25.  I need to know, one
way or the other.

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