Subject: Ackanomic Digest V2 #54
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest        Friday, April 18 1997        Volume 02 : Number 054

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:51:38 -0500
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  cgi (my first guess) 

>Records show seven players have cast votes through cgi since 5:00 PM New 
>York time on April 12.  If anyone can tell me the names of them all, I'll 
>give that person Agora or 5 Processing Chips, his choice.

fnord
snowgod
Vynd
Mohammed
You can call me Al
Breadbox
Thinman

Harf...

Robert Sevin

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:48:34 -0800
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  cgi

Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Records show seven players have cast votes through cgi since 5:00 PM New 
> York time on April 12.  If anyone can tell me the names of them all, I'll 
> give that person Agora or 5 Processing Chips, his choice.

Here are the names of all of them (and a few other names, too):
Ackers, Antimatter, Bascule, breadbox, Calvin N Hobbes, CarsesraC, /dev/joe, 
fnord, Guy Fawkes, IdiotBoy, Malenkai, Mohammed, mr cwm, Narf, Niccolo 
Flychuck, Red Barn, Robert Sevin, Simon Marty Harriman, snowgod, Techno, 
ThinMan, two-star, Vynd, You can call me Al.

Oh, did you want _only_ those seven names? :-)

> And no sneaky hacking into Odin.  :o)

Don't worry, I didn't :-)

(if I won, I'll take the processing chips...)
- -------------------------------
Antimatter * [email-masked]
You have the power of negation.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:30:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CGI: Guess

> IdiotBoy
> snowgod
> Malenkai
> You can call me Al
> ThinMan
> breadbox
> /dev/joe
>                                 - Vynd
	Funny you should say that.  3 right.  4 wrong.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:27:25 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS

I wrote:
 
> I am building an Evil Ballot Stuffer.

This is complete.  An auction for it commences now, and
lasts for 3 days.

Chief Cheese

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:31:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: cgi (my first guess)

Robert Sevin guessed:
> fnord
> snowgod
> Vynd
> Mohammed
> You can call me Al
> Breadbox
> Thinman
	3 right, 4 wrong.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:34:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CGI: guess

Ackers
Narf
Red Barn
Simon Marty Harriman
Techno
breadbox
Mohammed

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> I wrote:
>  
> > I am building an Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> 
> This is complete.  An auction for it commences now, and
> lasts for 3 days.

I bid A$25

                                        - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:38:19 +0000
From: "Bascule" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CGI: guess

> Ackers
> Narf
> Red Barn
> Simon Marty Harriman
> Techno
> breadbox
> Mohammed
> 
> 
> --Mohammed

None right, 7 wrong

Bascule
A funny farmer from Yale was in firm control.
Probably not as accurate as CnH was

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:39:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  *grin*

I think the sentence that starts off section c) of rule 205 has to be the 
most appallingly non-grammatical sentence in the ruleset.  :o)  This is 
not to rag on Malenkai in any way; actually I have some kind of 
inexplicable admiration for his sick genius....  :o)

- -- Mohammed
grammar fan
phonetic fanatic?

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:09:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CGI: Guess

Here we go again:

IdiotBoy
snowgod
Nicolo Flychuck
Bascule
CalvinNHobbes
fnord
You can call me Al

                                      - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:33:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: cgi guess

> Records show seven players have cast votes through cgi since 5:00 PM New 
> York time on April 12.  If anyone can tell me the names of them all, I'll 
> give that person Agora or 5 Processing Chips, his choice.

Ackers
/dev/joe
Calvin N Hobbes
Guy Fawkes
Niccolo Flychuck
Red Barn
Simon Marty Harriman

- --
/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:54:35 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GAD stuff (CFJ364) 

>Players actions in GAD do not occur instantaneously at all.  There are
>references in the Rule to "start of the Round".  and certain actions do
>behave in specific steps.  If a Player's Donkey was successfully Grabbed
>in the previous round,  that Player is removed from the GAL before any
>other actions are computed,  and the results of the previous round's
>actions are posted by the Wrangler.  The intention of the ammendment
>referring to the Little Lamb was obviously with the intention of giving a
>Player a slight advantage in that that Player could,  at least once,
>attempty to grab anothewr's Donkey without fear of being removed from the
>GAL.  The wording of the Rule allows for this,  and is interpretable to
>be resolved without paradox nor an endless swapping of the LL.  Note that
>the Rule states that the results of the round occur at the end of the
>round,  not at the time the actions were performed.  This means that
>ThinMan's attempt to Grab breadbox's Donkey would have been judged
>successful by the Wrangler,  because at the start of the round,  breadbox
>was not in possession of the LL and did not cover eir Donkey.  Breadbox,
>therefore would have been removed from the GAL at the start of the next
>round.  Since malenkai did not cover eir Donkey either,  and WAS in
>possession of the LL at the start of the round,  breadbox successfully
>Grab the LL and now has possession of it.  Thius also means that the
>Little Lamb is no longer a consideration for the remainder of the game of
>GAD unless breadbox transfers the LL to a Player still active in GAD.
>

Okay, I see it and agree.  This is the tack I will take when prosecuting
the CFJ for the hury.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:21:58 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fictionary Results 

The ing word was crambo.

The definitions were:

>
>1) A type of ration eaten by U.S. soldiers during World War II.
>
>2) A dish made from deep-fried insects, esp. beetles.
>
>3) A game in which one person or side must find a rhyme to a
>   word or a line of verse given by another.
>
>4) A kind of seafood stew popular in Jamaica.
>
>5) A soup or stew containing a variety of meats.

The real definition was #3.  This would have been a better word if you
didn't all assume it was some kind of food :)

Anyway...

/dev/joe wrote #1 and voted for #3. He recieves one point for his
definition and two points for voting correctly.  His score is 28, but
unless I missed something, he had actually won at the end of the last round
and no one noticed.

ThinMan wrote #4 and voted for #5. He recieves no points this round. His
score is 11.

Malenkai wrote #2 and voed for #3.  He recieves two points.  His score is 11.

breadbox wrote #5 and voted for #1.  He recieves on point. His score is 18.

I come in last with 9.

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:24:07 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ ineligibility

I wish to be taken off the CFJ ineligibility list.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:52:06 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 374 (Malenkai)

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> >Neither can we keep tabs of  the Internomic rules of other nomic.
> >We may need to know who is authorized to trade, or to confirm a trade.
> >The ETP is too complex and won't work well with a larger number of nomics.
> >
> >Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> I still say don't trash it till you've tried it.  As ambassador, I've

I'm not trashing it. Invoking a  CFJ is a game action, and is a part of
'trying it out', and either brings out potential problems, or resolves
them. 

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:54:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary Results

snowgod wrote:
> /dev/joe wrote #1 and voted for #3. He recieves one point for his
> definition and two points for voting correctly.  His score is 28, but
> unless I missed something, he had actually won at the end of the last round
> and no one noticed.

  5b) The game shall end when all players have been Brainiac the same
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  number of times, and one or more players has 25 or more Gamepoints.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

/dev/joe
Gamesmaster

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:14:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary Results

snowgod wrote:
> >1) A type of ration eaten by U.S. soldiers during World War II.
> >2) A dish made from deep-fried insects, esp. beetles.
> >4) A kind of seafood stew popular in Jamaica.
> >5) A soup or stew containing a variety of meats.
> 
> The real definition was #3.  This would have been a better word if you
> didn't all assume it was some kind of food :)

Oddly enough, I looked this up in webster's 3rd just now, and besides
a couple meanings for cram in the sense of "cram food in one's mouth",
there isn't even anything starting with "cram" that has a food-related
meaning.  My definition (#1) was heavily influenced by cram rations,
a type of food found in nethack. :-)  During the voting period, I
realized that my definition was really bad, since I seem to recall that
one of the fictionary dictionaries (the one that is still accessible)
is based on a real dictionary published before World War II.

Crambo is listed in W3 with a definition similar to the one snowgod used.
The second definition for crambo is more relevant to Ackanomic, however:
  "ineffectual, fatuous, or second-rate rhyme or rhyming"
While some players have produced some nice poetry, others have most
definitely written crambo (sometimes as required by rule, though).

Speaking of which, aren't we due a party hall party poem?

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:21:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary Results

> Oddly enough, I looked this up in webster's 3rd just now, and besides
> a couple meanings for cram in the sense of "cram food in one's mouth",
> there isn't even anything starting with "cram" that has a food-related
> meaning.

I, and probably other Bluffers, was also influenced by the similarity
to "gumbo".

breadbox
notes that ThinMan is our next Brainiac

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:35:38 -0500
From: btyler <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 374 Verdict

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> To clear things up....
> 
> >2) snowgod designated (or attempted to designate) PPN to be a
> >"Trade Partner" per rule 530, on Apr 14:
> >
> >> In my first act as Customs Officer, I am declaring Pumpkin Patch Nomic to
> >> be a Trade Partner of Ackanomic, having found that they havbe similar ETP
> >> rules.
> Which they did at the time I made this declaration.  The PPN constitutuinal
> convention convened afterwards (and afdter the results of PPN P486 were
> released)
> 
> >I say 'attempted' because it may be found that this act was against the
> >rules.
> >
> >3) Firsthand and antecdotal experience indicates that PPN may not have
> >a rule even remotely similar to rule 530 or 531.  However, when I
> >joined that nomic to do research for this CFJ, I received the following
> >information, quoted below, from the nomic.  I note that it is unclear
> >from this whether their game state has no rules, or whether they have
> >rules which are suspended, or the game is in some other state.  Moreover,
> >I cannot discern whether their game custom (if they even have game custom),
> >allows for the Platonic existance of any rule whose existance is not
> >explicitly provided for or regulated against.  It is possible (ie, *that*
> >Platonic rule may exist ;)).  Therefore, it is with much trepidation
> >that I would declare that they have no substantially similar rule to
> >530 or 531; I cannot say that with finality.
> 
> Okay.  My job as ambassador is to provide information to players about
> other nomics, so if you were unlclear on the state of pumpkin patch, you
> should have asked me.  I subscribe to their list and participate in patch
> discussions.  I recently became a seedling.
> 
> Anyway,  Play in the patch is currently being guided by only one rule, the
> rest having been discarded dfuring the convention.  The rule is the one
> that outlines patch procedure during the convention.  Play during the
> convention is also guided largely by custom, with the players doing things
> that aren't specified in the convention rule simply by agreement.
> 
> snowgod
> Ambassador
> seedling
> neglected
please be advised mr ambassador that in fact we do retain our old rule
set at the present time
if you look at our convention rule you will see that the rules are not
suspended so much as it is time that is suspended
time in the patch has come to a stop for a two week period
when time stopped we had entity protocol transfers
drwest would throw a fit that would make a demon blush if we were to
attemt to leave the etp's out of our next rule set so rest assured that
we will have etp's when time begins anew
bt

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:03:47 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 374 Verdict

I must say, Malenkai delivered, IMO, a masterfully-reasoned verdict.
I also appreciate the wealth of detail and the abundance of
research that he invested in reaching his decision, and the fact that
he recorded it all.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:08:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  cgi

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Ross Morgan-Linial wrote:

> Oh, did you want _only_ those seven names? :-)
> 

ROFL!

IB
BWG

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:28:38 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: cgi guess

How about:

ThinMan
IdiotBoy
snowgod
Vynd
/dev/joe
Robert Sevin
Calvin and Hobbes

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:39:43 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 374 Verdict

ThinMan wrote:

> I must say, Malenkai delivered, IMO, a masterfully-reasoned verdict.
> I also appreciate the wealth of detail and the abundance of
> research that he invested in reaching his decision, and the fact that
> he recorded it all.

Well thanks.  I appreciate the kind words.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:18:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CGI: the plot thickens

	*sigh*  This sort of gives it away, but...

Mohammed wrote:
> Ackers
> Narf
> Red Barn
> Simon Marty Harriman
> Techno
> breadbox
> Mohammed
	Hmm, you know, it's a funny thing.  Up until and including the
guess list above, nobody bluffed.  Everyone who guessed emself to be on
the list was in fact on the list; everyone who left eir own name off eir
guessed list (grin) was in fact not on the list.  If that makes sense. 
- --However, since then a few more guesses have been made, and at least one
of those did have a "bluff".  So watch out.
	Also watch out for the fact that there was a day or two when the
bot did not log cgi votes as (specifically) cgi votes.  Only those players
who cast votes between 5:00p NYC time April 12 and 9:44p April 15 are on
the list!  Antimatter and two-star had just joined the game, and as of
9:44p April 15, neither of the two new players were in the bot.  So
neither of them could have cast votes via cgi during the time period in
question.
	I won't tell how many of the players on the guess list above are
on the actual list.  But I will tell you that if I *did* answer the above
list, the same way I answered the others, you would then have enough
information to solve the puzzle.
	To win, send the complete list to me **privately**.  Don't send 
guesses; I'm only interested in the answer.  :o)  I'll find an adequate 
prize for however many answers I receive.  You have three days (from now.)
	I tried to send this last night, but odin crashes each night at 2 
AM local time.  None of the guesses that hit the list in the meantime are 
100% correct, so I'm just going to "ignore" them.  Sorry, guys..

- -- 
Mohammed
A mob of tall aquatic burger-flipping crazy brainy wild and wooly giant
pirates chased a macaw with a fire hose.

P.S.  The guesses were...

IdiotBoy guessed:	IdiotBoy, snowgod, Mohammed, Robert Sevin,
(4 right)		You can call me Al, Bascule, breadbox

snowgod guessed:	IdiotBoy, snowgod, Mohammed, Robert Sevin,
(3 right)		Malenkai, mr cwm, ThinMan

Bascule guessed:	IdiotBoy, snowgod, Vynd, Robert Sevin,
(4 right)		You can call me Al, Calvin n Hobbes, breadbox

Vynd guessed:		IdiotBoy, snowgod, Robert Sevin, ThinMan,
(3 right)		Nicolo Flychuck, /dev/joe, Mohammed

Bascule guessed:	IdiotBoy, fnord, snowgod, Carsesrac,
(3 right)		Robert Sevin, Malenkai, Vynd

Vynd guessed:		IdiotBoy, snowgod, Malenkai, You can call me Al
(3 right)		ThinMan, breadbox, /dev/joe

Robert Sevin guessed:	fnord, snowgod, Vynd, Mohammed, You can call me Al
(3 right)		Breadbox, Thinman

Mohammed guessed:	Ackers, Narf, Red Barn, Simon Marty Harriman,
(? right)		Techno, breadbox, Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:33:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Rule change stuff.

Has that language about conditional effect always been in there?  Have we
been ingoring it?  Or does it mean something different than what i
thought?

Or is that sneaky Mohammed trying to pull a fast one? ;)

IB

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:18:06 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : Otzma Card Auction

I bid A$ 35 on OCID 125.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:20:45 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: EBS

>  I am building an Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> > 
> > This is complete.  An auction for it commences now, and
> > lasts for 3 days.
> 
I bid A$ 35 on the EBS.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:46:41 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary Results 

>snowgod wrote:
>> /dev/joe wrote #1 and voted for #3. He recieves one point for his
>> definition and two points for voting correctly.  His score is 28, but
>> unless I missed something, he had actually won at the end of the last round
>> and no one noticed.
>
>  5b) The game shall end when all players have been Brainiac the same
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  number of times, and one or more players has 25 or more Gamepoints.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>/dev/joe
>Gamesmaster

Oh that makes sense.  For some reason, I misread it as "Have been braniac
at least once..." Maybe I was reading off of an old RFC or something

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:57:08 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ambassatorial 

I would like to announce the existance of a new nomic, Rishonomic, founded
by our own Niccolo Flychuck.  At least three members of Ackanomic are
currently playing Rishon, as well as several players from actcom.co.il.

For more information, visit http://www.actcom.co.il/~bruck/rishon/.

Rishonomic is considering applying for member status in InterNomic.

snowgod
Ambassador
all around nomic guy

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:04:57 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 374 Verdict 

>ThinMan wrote:
>
>> I must say, Malenkai delivered, IMO, a masterfully-reasoned verdict.
>> I also appreciate the wealth of detail and the abundance of
>> research that he invested in reaching his decision, and the fact that
>> he recorded it all.

I agree with ThinMan, but I must say I hope these kind of reasonings don't
become the standar.... I'd never have time :)

>Well thanks.  I appreciate the kind words.
>
>Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:12:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: acka : Otzma Card Auction

ThinMan wrote:
> I bid A$ 35 on OCID 125.

I believe the time limit for the otzma card auctions had already run out
before this bid.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:18:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: EBS

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> 
> >  I am building an Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> > > 
> > > This is complete.  An auction for it commences now, and
> > > lasts for 3 days.
> > 
> I bid A$ 35 on the EBS.
> 
> ThinMan

I bid A$ 45 on the EBS

                                      - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:36:27 -0400
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Senate (questions for the nominees) 

At 01:43 PM 4/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Matt Miller wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Mitchell Harding wrote:
>> 
>> > Before I cast my vote, I'd like to hear from each of the nominees.
Could you
>> > each say a little about yourselves, and about how you will fulfill your
>> > responsibilities as Senator.
>> > 
>> > Robert Sevin
>> > 
>> 
>> Hi, my name's IdiotBoy and I'm a moron.
>> <waits for the requisite "Hi, IdiotBoy">
>> There are responsibilites as Senator?  Forget it, I'm voting for Vynd.
>> 
>> IB
>
>
>I would like to begin my campaign statement by deny even the slight
>implication made by IdiotBoy that I am responsible.  I didn't do it, you
>can't prove that I did it.  With that said, I do intend to fulfill my
>duties as Senator in as complete and and timely a manner as possible, so
>long as I can maintain strict deniability.  I check my email ridiculously
>often, and while I may not understand the rules as perfectly as some of
>the older members, I think I've demonstrated that I'm reasonalby well
>quailified.  I am, after all, a Crazy French-Scotsman.
>
>
>
>                                     - Vynd

I'm neither French nor Scottish, moronic nor responsible, ridiculous nor
reasonable. I am...well, let's forget who I am. You can call me Al (ha ha ha
ha ha!!). Since joining Ackanomic, I have initiated the first sojourn of
Phil the Aluminum Tick (who has been strangely silent lately), acted as the
second in a duel between Habeous Corpus and the (I'm sorry) lamentable Mr.
R. Sevin, authored a couple of minor proposals to standardize time and add
to the "Evil Twin" rule (vote YES on 1913!), and watched in awe and (mostly)
silence as a group of REALLY INTELLIGENT people carried on around me in a
game with which my mother recently commented that I have "become obsessed".
Oh, and I wasted 150 pages printing out the ruleset. As Senator, I would
spend time ensuring that the decisions that guide Ackanomic into the future
are made by people with the requisite number of limbs, psychoses, and wrist
injuries (I'm down with tendonitis right now, owing to my tremendous amount
of time seated at the computer...usually reading email).

Here's what the voters are saying:

"I'm voting for Vynd."
"I'm voting for Idiot Boy."
"I'm voting for You can...oh wait, never mind."
"Who's running again?"
"I like orange Kool-Aid, but then, that's just me."
"No, we all feel that it would be better if he just left us alone."
"I love your eyes, you know that? They're so...big. All the better to see
me, I guess..."
"I'm abstaining. It's Lent, right? Get it? LENT? Ahh ha ha! Hey, it's
funny...why aren't you laughing?"
"Hey legs, wanna go tether my house to the earth? Eh? Wanna? Eh? Huh?
Umm...come back. Please?"
"VOTE FOR YOU CAN CALL ME AL. He's a wonderful son...I mean, person. Oh,
damn it."

Any more questions are more than welcome.

Al
                                     __________
                                    /          \
                                   /            \
                                  |   o     o    |
                                  |    |   |     |
                             ----------|   |----------
                             -----------\_/-----------
                           [email-masked]
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:49:56 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Senate 

Oh, woe is me.  Did anyone notice I havn't resigned from the presidency
yet?  Hmm, I wonder what that means.  Anyway, I finally cast my vote for
senator, and I must say it upset me very much that I had to make a choice.
In fact, I support each and every one of the candidates and would be happy
if any were elected.  I was going to abstain, but I decided to cast my vote
based on the (established game custom :) method of voting for the silliest
election message.

May frog have mercy on my soul.

So, If IO didn't vote for you, I'm sorry.  I really wanted to.  I did, I
swear.  Anyway, maybe next time we can figure out a way to elect an
organization made of all the candidates :)

snowgod
occasionally president

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:05:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Rule change stuff.

> Has that language about conditional effect always been in there?  Have we
> been ingoring it?  Or does it mean something different than what i
> thought?
> Or is that sneaky Mohammed trying to pull a fast one? ;)
	It's always been in there; Malenkai tried to remove it once but the 
proposal was voted down.  No conditional rule changes are allowed.
	I thought about taking it out but I have some hang-ups with it, so 
someone else can propose it... and try to convince me of the value added.

- -- 
Mohammed
The one and only singer taunted five bald detectives.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:31:21 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 371 Verdict

CFJ 371 has been judged false without comment.  A fine feathered
friend has shown up at breadbox's abode.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 371
  Subject: Paranormal Paradox
Initiator: breadbox
    Judge: Calvin N Hobbes (selected Apr 09, 1997, 21:25h EDT)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

If Krycek releases a W-File Case report, AND if there exists more than
one Scientist to whom the clause requiring the writing of a refuting
report applies, THEN it is equally legal and illegal for each
Scientist Scientist to write no such report.

breadbox's Reasoning:

Rule 261 states:

 At least one Scientist must write a refuting report that should
 contain the phrases 'violates the laws of physics' and 'a claw is a
 claw and nobody has seen a talking claw'.

The use of the word "must" indicates that for this to not happen is a
breaking of the rules.

(It is therefore also a Crime by Rule 713: a Crime, but with no
perpetrator. It would be impossible to convict any of the Scientists,
as a CFCJ requires that a single player be named as having broken the
rules. Note that there is no conflict here, since nowhere do the rules
require someone to be eligible for conviction every time a Crime is
committed. I mention this only to emphasize that this is not the seat
of the paradox.)

Now, suppose that you are one of the Scientists. None of the other
Scientists have written a report refuting Krycek's report. Perhaps the
other Scientists have even publically stated that they will not write
the report. Therefore, if you do not write such a report, the rules
get broken. But did you break the rules? The rules do not require you
personally to write a report. In fact, they do not require any
Scientist, in particular, to write a report.

But they *do* require that at least one Scientist write a report. So
perhaps you did break the rules. Or perhaps one could argue that all
of the Scientists did, as a group: that the "Scientific Community" has
broken the rules. But regardless of such semantic quibbling, all of
the Scientists, at all times, were obeying the rules! Never was it
impermissible for you, or any other Scientist, to choose to not write
that report. It seems that nobody has violated the rule. But the rule
has still been disobeyed, which is impermissible.

If it could be assumed that all but one of the Scientists will not
write a report, then it is clear that the remaining Scientist must
write the report. To do otherwise would be illegal. But that
assumption is not a given, nor does it become one at any time. For any
Scientist to not write a report is always a legal act.

And yet, it is still illegal for all of the Scientists to so act.
Someone must write that damned report. But how can this be, when it is
never illegal for any player to choose not to?

The situation is such that every player can obey the rules, and yet
the rules are nonetheless broken. In short, the act of not writing a
report - a report that the rules demand be written - is, for each and
every Scientist, an action that is equally legal and illegal.

As a formality, I note that this is a Paradox Win CFJ, and if judged
True the submitter will win the current Cycle.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Senate vote 

To:   Count Tabula Malenkai
From: mr cwm

I wish to cast my vote for Vynd for the open Senate seat.

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