Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #542
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Friday, February 28 1997       Volume 01 : Number 542

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:03:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1739 accepted (Organized Crime)

> > snowgod bribed Tammany A$ 10 to vote YES.
> 
> It appears to not matter, but this bribing of Tammany may not have
> been valid.  Certainly if submitted after P 1735 was accepted it was
> not.  The question is, did P 1735's acceptance invalidate it?  I
> seem to remember bribes being validated at the time of submission,
> not reporting, but cannot remember.  Even so, it seems that the
> currency is deducted, even for invalid bribes, based on the current
> wording.

I agree with Mohammed that any under-A$25 pre-1735 bribes should
be taken as valid, since this is more in the spirit of
"no-retroactivity". I just want to state, for the record, that if this
were not the case, I don't think the currency would be deducted. The
new Tammany rule states:

     A statement sent to the Tabulator is a Tammany Bribe if, and only
     if, it conveys the following information:
     
     [...]
     
     b) an amount of currency in the range of A$ 25 to A$ 100
     (inclusive).

Because of the first sentence, a request to bribe Tammany less than
A$25 does not even qualify as a Tammany Bribe in the first place, thus
it could not even become an "invalid" bribe.

breadbox
debating pointless points

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:04:44 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1739 accepted (Organized Crime) 

>> Proposal 1739
>> Organized Crime
>> Narf
>>
>> Votes cast by active players:  14 / 16 = 87.500000%
>> Yes:  9    No:  4     Present:  4   ...Proposal accepted.
>>
>
>Woo-hoo!
>
>IB

Careful there suny boy,

Those organized crime figures are tough.  One minute your yoo-hooin and the
next minute thy'eve sucked you in.  Maybe you're already one of them.
Maybe you are a member of organized crime.

Of course, the first step to coming clean is publically admitting your error...

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:11:58 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1739 accepted (Organized Crime) 

>> Per my satement of last week, I will mail each of these players a copy
>>of the
>> text to any or all of the runestone fragments that I have in my possesion.
>> -Narf
>	Please send them all to me.
>
>--Mohammed

My sentiments exactly.  Please?

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:12:23 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (breadbox)

Feb 27 01:13 EST: -3 Robert Sevin: did not report what Phoebe said

Phoebe has been found by breadbox.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:27:29 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1739 accepted (Organized Crime)

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> 
> Text of accepted proposal:
> 
> Proposal 1739
> Organized Crime
> Narf
> 
> {{number this rule 724}}
> 1. There exists an organization known as Organized Crime, which is not nearly
> as organized an organization as its organizers might wish.

I have pointed this out before, but might as well do so again. R721
requires that an organization be of a type defined by the rules. It does
not allow for untyped Organizations, therefore there is no such
organization at this time.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:29:42 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Just a note 

I just wanted to take a moment to once again remind everyone what a great
bunch of folks they really are and thank them for being that way.  I have a
swell time here in ackanomic (sweller yet if the aliens begine invading)
and I just wanted to take a moment to say so.

So thanks, and be swell. Aarimakat ruwopeki inkelika dodobykiykipoombah.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:40:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>So thanks, and be swell. Aarimakat ruwopeki inkelika dodobykiykipoombah.
>
>snowgod

LOL!

blehZazambelh hanikic kolokovic.

CnH
jipielokillar jijijke

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 01:55:02 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

I am burying a Treasure consisting of Strider's Presidential Vision,
and 6 Processing Chips.

Fortunately, the Amulet of Saaramaa will allow me to get the information
needed to find this thing.  For once its a treasure from me that
does not depend on another treasure, nor is a dependency for another
treasure, nor has interlocking parts, etc.  Of course, its also probably
pretty hard, but like other of my treasures, a flash of insight will make
it easy.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:25:04 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>blehZazambelh hanikic kolokovic.
>
>CnH
>jipielokillar jijijke

BlehyZazambelh hanikic kolokovic? Cy! Hanichokim arkirevelcaj.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:41:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Auction Announcement

> Phoebe has been found by breadbox.

*ahem* I quote from my own message, posted on 22 Dec 1996:

>> Humph.  Methinks you had a little too much to frink, and were actually 
>> speaking with Fibber, the Low-Grade Brass-Painted Cheapo Plastic Flea.
> 
> I am hereby creating a trinket, A$9 in value, called Fibber the
> Low-Grade Brass-Painted Cheapo Plastic Flea. Said trinket includes the
> ziplock baggie that Fibber lives in.
> 
> Since I have never found Phoebe, I can console myself by talking to
> Fibber instead. (And sometimes, when *I* have had too much to frink,
> Fibber talks back.)
> 
> If it ever transpires that I do find Phoebe, I will put Fibber up for
> auction.

Though Fibber and I have had many an amusing conversation in the last
two months, never let it be said that I do not keep my word.

I am hereby initiating an auction for one (1) Fibber the Low-Grade
Brass-Painted Cheapo Plastic Flea trinket (ziplock baggie included),
value A$9. This is a private auction, with a minimum bid of A$1.

Send your bids to [email-masked]. As always, the auction ends
three days hence.

Chief Cheese

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:27:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>BlehyZazambelh hanikic kolokovic? Cy! Hanichokim arkirevelcaj.

kriask-nahtaj.

CnH
Arimakat motbau blehkibleh ruwopeki

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:50:06 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>blehZazambelh hanikic kolokovic.

kariaediaj!!! Ekziassillar Rostokic dej Haarfj. Cy! Rakiseluraj dej
ccriaegaugnalaj Haarfj.

Ekziassillar rakiselcitraaj eee karisbrevaj. :)

snowgod
kolokovic

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:39:56 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>Arimakat motbau blehkibleh ruwopeki

Ta. Arimakat Haarfj motbau blehkibleh kezki.

snowgod
blehkibleh kezki ccariaoslaaj :)

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:56:03 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Ackanomic: Steal Flea Gazzette 

Steel Flea Gazette
Volume 2, Issue 2

- ----------------------------------------------------------------
This space haunted by the undead of Elder Wayne.  For your own chunk
of space coptact snowgod.  Best rates in the newspaper industry!!!
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

STRANGE OUTBREAK OF BABY TALK STRIKES ACKANOMIC

Respected Acknaomic players snowgod and Calvin N Hobbes have reportedly
been flooding the main Acknaomic list with messages that appear to be
written in giberish.  Experts are unsure what to make of the "talk", and
have so far refrained from comment.

When questioned about the matter snowgod woiuld only say "Hariokic
karitercesaj." Calvin N Hobbes was even more more vauge with his reply.

"Haniykiykipoombah" was all he would say.

ORGANIZED CRIME FOUND IN ACKANOMIC

Narf, who many believe has the coolest name in Ackanomic history, has been
found to be the head of organized crime ring.  No one is sure who else is
involved in the racket, although speculation leans towards IdiotBoy who was
quoted as saying "Yoo-Hoo!" when the crime ring was discovered, and Tammany
has always leaned towards the underworld side of things.

Ex President Flychuck, who is an Expert on Organizations was quoted as
saying that the Crime Ring does not yet exist, as it fails to state what
kind of organization organized crime is, or if it is even organized at all.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:42:29 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ghost play

>
neu

>/dev/joe
>IdiotBoy
>breadbox
>mr cwm
>Mohammed
>ThinMan

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:41:48 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1739 accepted (Organized Crime)

Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> >
> > Text of accepted proposal:
> >
> > Proposal 1739
> > Organized Crime
> > Narf
> >
> > {{number this rule 724}}
> > 1. There exists an organization known as Organized Crime, which is not nearly
> > as organized an organization as its organizers might wish.
> 
> I have pointed this out before, but might as well do so again. R721
> requires that an organization be of a type defined by the rules. It does
> not allow for untyped Organizations, therefore there is no such
> organization at this time.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
Indeed.  There is however, a proposal in the queue that, I believe,
fixes this very problem.  

Strider

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:43:43 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note

Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> 
> >BlehyZazambelh hanikic kolokovic? Cy! Hanichokim arkirevelcaj.
> 
> kriask-nahtaj.
> 
> CnH
> Arimakat motbau blehkibleh ruwopeki
I believe that the appropriate response is; "Oh no, not again."

Strider

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:51:30 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> I am burying a Treasure consisting of Strider's Presidential Vision,
> and 6 Processing Chips.
> 
> Fortunately, the Amulet of Saaramaa will allow me to get the information
> needed to find this thing.  For once its a treasure from me that
> does not depend on another treasure, nor is a dependency for another
> treasure, nor has interlocking parts, etc.  Of course, its also probably
> pretty hard, but like other of my treasures, a flash of insight will make
> it easy.
> 
> Malenkai
I wish to rent the Amulet of Saaramaa from Malenkai. I would like to pay
around A$25 for a day, but am open to negotiation.

Strider

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:06:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note

> >BlehyZazambelh hanikic kolokovic? Cy! Hanichokim arkirevelcaj.
> kriask-nahtaj.
> CnH
> Arimakat motbau blehkibleh ruwopeki
	Could you two please take this conversation to the acka-gibberish 
mailing list? 

- --Mohammed
:o)

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:13:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost play

neur

IdiotBoy
breadbox
mr cwm
Mohammed
ThinMan
/dev/joe

- --
/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:30:31 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Party 

In celebration of my first accepted proposal (and a harfy one at that!!) I am
holding a party at Acme labs.

Everyone is invited!!!  Those who voted for Organized Crime may enter for
free, those who voted no must bring us something to frink if they want to
attend (grin)

Rumor has it that several members of Organized Crime (Which appears to be the
most unorganized non-organization in Ackanomia) will be there, so this is
your chance to rub shoulders with da mob.

"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
"The same thing we do every night, Pinky.  Try to take over the world!"
"Narf!"

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:02:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1739 accepted (Organized Crime)

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> > Per my satement of last week, I will mail each of these players a copy of the
> > text to any or all of the runestone fragments that I have in my possesion.
> > -Narf
> 	Please send them all to me.
> 
> --Mohammed
> 
Feeling very newbie netiquettish, so:

Me, too.

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:10:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ghost play

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

neuro

breadbox
mr cwm
Mohammed
ThinMan
/dev/joe
IdiotBoy

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:14:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Party

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 [email-masked] wrote:

> In celebration of my first accepted proposal (and a harfy one at that!!) I am
> holding a party at Acme labs.
> 
> Everyone is invited!!!  Those who voted for Organized Crime may enter for
> free, those who voted no must bring us something to frink if they want to
> attend (grin)
> 

Nothing like a free party.  Maybe I'll even get to meet that neat-o
Godfather fella (if he exists).

I pack up my stuff at snowgod's, suddenly recalling that I forgot to bring
anything to his party.  I create a Trinket called "Big Ole Jug of Wine",
which looks like a big green jug with an easy to open screw top, valued at
A$5. I leave it at snowgod's beach house and head over to Acme Labs.

IB

IdiotBoy -5, Trinket creation.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:57:21 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: acka: Symphony

Well, not everyone will want to come to the jam session all of the time.  What 
if we wanted to hold a benefit concert, or inauguration gala of sorts, then 
what?  At any rate, we need more than just us two.  If you don't have any ideas, 
on people to contact, we'll take out an add in the newspaper.

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz) wrote:
>
>Back when I started and created my tower, Jam Session, I 
>included in it's description that the Jam Session contained
>the mighty Wurlitzer, on which I once was wont (I think I'm
>going for one of my better run-on sentences here) to play
>the sort of music that you alluded to in your original post,
>to continue, it -- that is to say the mighty Wurlitzer --  being a part 
>of the aforementioned tower, "Jam Session' and being built,
>or at least created, ante Thngees is most probably , either
>too big, being a part of the tower or has no existence in a
>game sense with in Acka. (Almost there :) is in want a large 
>organ, which is, in fact, or retrospect, what allowed me to play the
>aforementioned music (Whew)
>
>Or
>
>I'm not sure how big it is or even if it exists separate of the Jam Session
>and its a honking big Organ, the musical kind.
>
>How big and what is the mighty wurlitzer?
>Ludwig
>
>On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz) wrote:
>> Ludwig writes:
>> 
>>It occurred to me that ackanomia has no symphony.
>>Would you be interested in forming an ackanomic official band?
>>(I had in mind some sort of raucous music)
>>We could play at inagurations and benefit concerts for A$.
>>Ludwig
>>
>>I think its a great idea.  I offer the Jam session as venue,
>>the mighty Wurlitzer being hard to move.
>>
>>Jammer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
><<Attachment: Unknown.tmp>>

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:11:29 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Party

I travel to Acme Labs.  The journey, although uneventful, provided me with some 
much needed fresh air.  Although I voted yes on Narf's proposal, I create a 
beverage anyway, and leave it on the doorstep for someone else.  It is called 
Victory Gin, and is relatively poor quality, worth A$19 but what do you excpect 
from a 1984 vintage?
Ludwig - A$19 Victory Gin

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, [email-masked] wrote:
>In celebration of my first accepted proposal (and a harfy one at that!!) I am
>holding a party at Acme labs.
>
>Everyone is invited!!!  Those who voted for Organized Crime may enter for
>free, those who voted no must bring us something to frink if they want to
>attend (grin)
>
>Rumor has it that several members of Organized Crime (Which appears to be the
>most unorganized non-organization in Ackanomia) will be there, so this is
>your chance to rub shoulders with da mob.
>
>"What are we going to do tonight, Brain?"
>"The same thing we do every night, Pinky.  Try to take over the world!"
>"Narf!"
>
>

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:24:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Score Report

Scoring since the last report:
Narf -2 for retracting P1736 (missed on previous report)
P1726: accepted, harfy, tuba+1
P1727: rejected
Feb 23 01:11 EST: -2 /dev/joe: retract P1744
P1728: accepted, modest
P1729, 1730: rejected
P1733: accepted, modest
P1734: accepted, modest, tuba (due to rounding, the tuba didn't really matter)
P1735: accepted
P1737, 1738: rejected
P1739: accepted, harfy
P1740: rejected
Feb 27 01:12 EST: -3 Robert Sevin: did not report what Phoebe said

Current Scores:

Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
190     Malenkai             Ag  (Randy Hall)
119     /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
79      Strider              A   (Jason McCulley)
73      Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
67      snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
50      mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
46      Swann               IV   (Steven Swiniarski)
36      Lestrade             A   (John Duncan)
32      ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
28      fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
26      Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff)
13      Narf                 A   (Joshua Nave)
11      Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain)
8       Ludwig               A   (Chris Lundberg)
6       IdiotBoy             A   (Matt Miller)
5       breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
0       BuzzBee             NI   (John Coifman)
0       23 Skidoo            I   (David Thomas Fisher)
0       Clairence           II   (Clair Anthony Viglione)
0       Panther              N   (Terry McKechnie)
- -2      Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
- -17     Jammer               A   (John Lotz)
- -19     Bascule              Vv  (Matt Black)
- -29     Robert Sevin         Av  (Mitchell Harding)
- -29     Red Barn            II   (Daniel Knapp)

Status:
A=Active, N=New, V=Vacationing, IV=Involuntary Vacation, I=On Ice,
D=Dead, R=Returning (non-active), v=Victory Eggplant, g=Chartreuse Goose

I'm sure Swann and Bascule are on ice now, but I haven't looked it up
to see when it happened.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:27:59 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka:Points 

Feb 26 00:59 EST: -4 Narf: P1737 (author,yes)
Feb 26 00:59 EST: -4 Narf: P1738 (author,yes)
Feb 26 20:56 EST: -4 Narf: P1740 (author,yes)

**The following should be read in your best French-Scottish accent

Hey!  That's NOT fair!  I'm just a poor defenseless newbie who didn't know
any better!  No one told me this would happen!  I didn't know the rules!
 Besides, even if I DID know the rules, you guys keep changing them!

Question... Did I just publicly complain 3 times or is that one complaint
about 3 different point losses?  The rule is somewhat ambiguous on the
subject.

- --Narf

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:37:35 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note

acka-gibberish
> mailing list?
> 
> --Mohammed
> :o)

New verb:

gibbercha - believe (to)

Lestrade
Mohammed is proving a fountain of inspiration!

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:36:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:Points

Narf wrote:
> Feb 26 00:59 EST: -4 Narf: P1737 (author,yes)
> Feb 26 00:59 EST: -4 Narf: P1738 (author,yes)
> Feb 26 20:56 EST: -4 Narf: P1740 (author,yes)
> 
> **The following should be read in your best French-Scottish accent
> 
> Hey!  That's NOT fair!  I'm just a poor defenseless newbie who didn't know
> any better!  No one told me this would happen!  I didn't know the rules!
>  Besides, even if I DID know the rules, you guys keep changing them!

Congratulations, Narf, on being the first to successfully use this rule.
The penalties for each of these incidents were actually -7 (and +3 for
voting yes).

> Question... Did I just publicly complain 3 times or is that one complaint
> about 3 different point losses?  The rule is somewhat ambiguous on the
> subject.

Hmm, we may have to CFJ this one.  The rule says you only get to use it
three times, and it refers to only a single penalty that gets revoked,
so if all three incidents are affected, it counts as all three of
your uses of the rule.  However, I'm not sure that it does count
as three complaints; if it counts as only one complaint, then only one of
the penalties is affected.

Here's how I see the scoring:

If only one penalty is affected:
Narf gains 7 points (score goes to 20)
Then Narf's score is raised to the next prime number (23)

If all 3 penalties are affected:
(1st one same as above)
Narf gains 7 points (30)
raised to a prime (31)
Narf gains 7 points (38)
raised to a prime (41)
(and Narf becomes a Crazy French-Scotsman)

I have recorded the latter case on the pointlog/score web pages.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:33:52 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Party 

>In celebration of my first accepted proposal (and a harfy one at that!!) I am
>holding a party at Acme labs.
>
>Everyone is invited!!!  Those who voted for Organized Crime may enter for
>free, those who voted no must bring us something to frink if they want to
>attend (grin)

I'll show up and meet the mob.  Who knows, I might even learn something.
Maybe if I'm nice to them, they won't break my kneecaps.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:44:07 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka:Points 

In a message dated 97-02-27 19:39:37 EST, you write:

> Hmm, we may have to CFJ this one.  The rule says you only get to use it
>  three times, and it refers to only a single penalty that gets revoked,
>  so if all three incidents are affected, it counts as all three of
>  your uses of the rule.  However, I'm not sure that it does count
>  as three complaints; if it counts as only one complaint, then only one of
>  the penalties is affected.

It's important for another reason as well... the rule states that after I get
my points back, my score is adjusted to the next highest prime number.  If
this counts as three seperate complaints, then there has to be three seperate
adjustments.

I'm at 13 now...  giving me back my first 7 will put me at 20, the next pime
is 23, the second 7 take me to 30, the prime is 31 (doing this in my head...)
the next 7 take me to 38, the next prime would be.... 41?

narf

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:44:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Points

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Here's how I see the scoring:
> 
> If only one penalty is affected:
> Narf gains 7 points (score goes to 20)
> Then Narf's score is raised to the next prime number (23)
> 
> If all 3 penalties are affected:
> (1st one same as above)
> Narf gains 7 points (30)
> raised to a prime (31)
> Narf gains 7 points (38)
> raised to a prime (41)
> (and Narf becomes a Crazy French-Scotsman)
> 
> I have recorded the latter case on the pointlog/score web pages.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 

As the proud owner of 5 PFNarf, I hope we go with the latter case!
(Besides, I think it's the correct choice.. yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!>

IB

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:49:46 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>	Could you two please take this conversation to the acka-gibberish
>mailing list?
>
>--Mohammed
>:o)

Ta. Taettillar jeag. Gibberokic that I will switch it to english now, though :)

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:46:44 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Crazy Sctoch French kinda guy pt 2 

In case my earlier complaint only counted once, here goes (part 2)

That isn't fair!  You guys are trying to cheat me!  Somebody changed the
rules and I didn't know about it!

Narf

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:48:12 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: More crazy foreign peopl (part 3) 

And here's part 3, just in case.

This isn't fair!  I want my mommy!  You took my points and I don't know why!
 You keep changing the rules on me!  No fair!

Narf

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:22:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Actions

> > The rules may specify that certain possible courses of play are public
> > actions.  Any active player may attempt any public action available to
> > him or her simply by sending a public message specifying the action to
> > be taken.  However, if any information that is necessary to specify
> > the action fully is left out of that message, then the attempt fails.
> That last sentence is a tiny big vague. How about using the word
> "unambiguously" instead of "fully"?
	Okay.

> > If the rules specify that a certain course of play is available to a
> > player or organization, but do not specify how that course of play is
> > to be taken, then that course of play is a public action, and it is
> > taken as described above.
> I would rather not have this catch-all paragraph in the rule. I think
> that any future rule should just describe something as a being done as
> a public action, rather than depending on this default definition to
> apply to it.
	I put the catch-all phrase there for what I consider good reasons;
let me know what you think:  I find it tedious to define everything I do
as a public action.  It also strikes me as needless legalese.  But more 
importantly, there is currently no such catch-all, and there are 
instances in the rules where a course of play is mentioned, but there is 
no mention of how it is to be accomplished.  In each of the cases I 
found, established game custom holds that we should treat them as "public 
actions".  I wouldn't mind having that codified before somebody CFJs and 
cracks the game open.  :o)
	I'm going to cross my fingers and submit it with the catchall, 
just to get it out there... and hope you change your mind.  *smile*

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:22:03 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gumball

I am certainly against the commercialization of Acka, but I found the
following private e-mail I received amusing.

Malenkai
- --------------------------------------------------------------------

HELLO  IF YOU WOULD PLACE THIS CLICKABLE ITEM(SELLING GUMBALL MACHINES) IN
YOUR GUMBALL SECTION I WOULD APRECIATE IT!I AM JUST A LITTLE GUY TRYING TO
MAKE SOME MONEY!(AGAINST THE BIG BOYS!) I WILL EVEN PAY YOU TO HELP
ME!$$$$$$$ I AM SERIOUS!( IT WOULD HELP ME BECAUSE THE EXCITE SEARCH ENGINE
SET ON "GUMBALL" COMES UP WITH YOUR PAGE! THIS WOULD HELP ME! YOU CAN CALL ME
AT [phone #]  HOW ABOUT A FREE GUMBALL MACHINE ,FILLED! PLEASE HELP OR
FORWARD THIS TO WHOVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT PAGE!THANKS PAUL [URL]

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:35:13 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gumball 

>I am certainly against the commercialization of Acka, but I found the
>following private e-mail I received amusing.

I don't think we should do it for profit, certainly.  But what if we
amended the rule to make this poor guy the Officer in Charge of Gumballs
(and made the allowances for a non-player officer) and then added an
external link.

We could do it for free, or I could make myself the assistant web-harfer in
charge of gumballs and get a free machine :) (just kidding)

snowgod

>Malenkai
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>HELLO  IF YOU WOULD PLACE THIS CLICKABLE ITEM(SELLING GUMBALL MACHINES) IN
>YOUR GUMBALL SECTION I WOULD APRECIATE IT!I AM JUST A LITTLE GUY TRYING TO
>MAKE SOME MONEY!(AGAINST THE BIG BOYS!) I WILL EVEN PAY YOU TO HELP
>ME!$$$$$$$ I AM SERIOUS!( IT WOULD HELP ME BECAUSE THE EXCITE SEARCH ENGINE
>SET ON "GUMBALL" COMES UP WITH YOUR PAGE! THIS WOULD HELP ME! YOU CAN CALL ME
>AT [phone #]  HOW ABOUT A FREE GUMBALL MACHINE ,FILLED! PLEASE HELP OR
>FORWARD THIS TO WHOVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT PAGE!THANKS PAUL [URL]

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:00:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Just a note 

>kariaediaj!!! Ekziassillar Rostokic dej Haarfj.
>Cy! Rakiseluraj dej ccriaegaugnalaj Haarfj.
>Ekziassillar rakiselcitraaj eee karisbrevaj. :)

Lol!

Perhaps indeed. I think we could do that within the current rules.

>snowgod
>kolokovic

kirayllaeraj?    : )

CnH
haarfjarimakat eee rikatse-irpaj

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:27:20 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:treasure

Salutations!

I wish to rent the Amulet of Saaramaa from Malenkai at A$20 for one day. 

Strider
President and Hopeful Treasure Hunter;>

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:35:44 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Party

Salutations!

	I am creating a Trinket worth A$45.  It is called the Pan-Galactic
Gargle Blaster.  It is a mostly colorless liquid, with hints of silver
and copper flecks.  You can't see it, because it is held in a lead-lined
thermos type bottle so that its emanations don't alarm those who are
faint of heart. 

	Armed with the most potent beverage in the known universe, I head to
Acme to meet the Godfather and mingle with my fellow Ackanomians.  

	Anyone want to play IRC ghost?

Strider

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:06:13 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 348 Verdict

CFJ 348 has been judged FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 348
  Subject: Haunted Houses
Initiator: breadbox
    Judge: Calvin N Hobbes (selected Feb 23, 1997, 15:15h EST)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

Robin Hood's house is dangling.

breadbox's Reasoning:

I myself don't think that it is, and this seems to be the general
consensus, but I just want to make it official.

Robin Hood's house was originally deemed to be dangling by an
application of Rule 1321, "Rama-lama-ding-dong". Depending upon the
(in)actions of certain players, the relevant sentence says: "5
buildings chosen at random will lose their suctions cups." Then, Rule
1309 states: "In the event that any item loses it's [sic] suction
cups, which may only happen in accordance with the rules, it shall
fall off of the earth and dangle from it's [sic] surface by the
attached emergency tether."

Whether or not this can apply to undead houses is called into question
by this passage in Rule 258: "Entities that are haunted by Undead
cannot be manipulated in any way except by an action of the
Undead. This clause takes precedence over any Rule that would
otherwise allow haunted entities to be manipulated."

Rule 258 seems to say that even Rules are powerless to manipulate a
Haunted entity, a category which certainly includes Robin Hood's
house.

A verdict of TRUE would indicate that the houses of De'ghew and Mellon
were never dangling either, and that the supposed actions of myself
and others to reattach them did not actually occur.

Calvin N Hobbes's Reasoning:

Breadbox's argument makes a clear case from R258. After checking the
chronology of when each rule was passed and when the incident occurs...

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:12:47 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:treasure

Strider wrote:

> I wish to rent the Amulet of Saaramaa from Malenkai at A$20 for one day.

I ack.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:34:29 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: RFC legalizing errors

RFC
legalizing certain retractable errors
Malenkai

- ---

It is my opinion that we need a type (5) meta rule as per Steve's
essay.  The gist is that illegal moves or non-moves that go undetected
for 14 days become legal.  The justification is that it would be next
to impossible to recover from these.  See Steve's essay off the main
web page for more discussion.  This can be put either as part of Crime,
or as new Rule 101.1.  There are pros and cons to both.  In any case, it
needs precedence over rule 103 to adjust the game state retroactively.

I would appreciate any comments.  This sort of tinkering can have a
serious effect on the way the game is played.  I prefer this sort of
change than (5') from Steve's essay.

There is a precedent for this: my Publically Knowable proposal which
created what is now rule 205.  Basically score changes have a type (5)
meta rule now with a 14 day SoL.  I chose 14 days here to be consistent.
 
Malenkai
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Amend R 713, "Crime", to add the following paragraph directly
after the second paragraph:

"
If, however, an illegal or impossible change to the game state goes
undetected for at least 14 days, the action or inaction which caused
that change is considered legal, but it is still a Crime.  The change
is deemed to have occurred.  This paragraph has precedence over rule 103.
"

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:53:55 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fragment Auctions

I still have 4 Runestone Fragments to distribute.  None of the
conditions were met by the end of the month (or close enough for
me), so I will be auctioning 3 of them now.  The fourth will go to
the winner of the Ghost Game (as that was a condition), if they
want it.

Each will be auctioned in a different sort of auction.  The prices
fetched have ranged from a low of A$25 in a Shubik auction, to 
about A$250 in a private auction.  This seems interesting, so one
of each type of auction will go in parallel.

All 3 of the following auctions have a minimum bid of A$3.  The
other parameters are:

Auction 1 (public auction): Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment 21
Bids should go to the public forum.  Auction will end in 3 days or
3 hours after the most recent bid, whichever is later.

Auction 2 (private auction): Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment 7
Bids should be sent to me privately.  Auction will end in 3 days.

Auction 3 (public Shubik auction): Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment 10
Bids should go to the public forum.  Auction will end in 3 days or
3 hours after the most recent bid, whichever is later.

Please quote which auction(s) you are bidding in with your bids.  Sorry
for any confusion.

Malenkai

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