Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #534
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest      Saturday, February 22 1997      Volume 01 : Number 534

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:01:09 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal Results

I'll take one, due to the fact that I wasn't around at the time and it is 
publicly knowable that I have voted.
Ludwig

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Malenkai wrote:
>> 
>> 1) Both Narf and snowgod voted on at least one proposal, and indicated
>> they wanted a Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment.  I give
>> snowgod fragment 5 and Narf fragment 1.  Both Randomly chosen.
>
>There are 6 fragments left to be distributed, as specified previously.
>
>Malenkai
>
>

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:26:34 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*) 

>> Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
>	Was it me?  I thought you were talking about the proposal that
>said that every rule has an exception; I know I was the one who pointed
>that out... :o)
>
>--Mohammed
>trying to maintain the value of his Cloak

YOu know, I think I was thinking of that one too, but mixing it up with the
other.  ThinMan truly was the first to foil my plot on the other one.  YOU
WERE THE ONE who foiled The Exception :)

To everyone who wasn't here in may (?):

I subjmitted a proposals that said:

"There is an Exception to every rule"

in the midst of a few other proposals that were also Cliches.  I believe
that Fat Lady was born in that same set of proposals, but I'm not positive.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:27:26 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Akca: (The Widget of Yendor) and RoJ17 auction 

>Malenkai writes:
>> > Proposal 1726
>> > The Widget of Yendor
>>
>> > {{The Widget of Yendor is currently unowned and is residing in the
>> > Treasury. An auction is hereby initiated for the Widget of Yendor.}}
>>
>> This auction shall end 2/23 @ 21:53, or three hours after the latest
>> bid.  Bids are public.  I bid A$1, to get the ball rolling.
>
>The last bid I saw was A$29, ao I am bidding A$42.

>fnord
>Chief Cheese as well

I am bidding A$110

snowgod
needs a point stabilizer

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:36:09 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Observer 

We have a New Observer in Ackanomic.  His name is Josh Utterback and his
email address is [email-masked].  It seems that enrollment is a
Bull Market right now... Good deal if you own a Whamiol :)

Please take a moment to welcome him to Ackanomic!!!

snowgod
Registrar

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:45:09 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Observer 

We have a New Observer in Ackanomic.  His name is Josh Utterback and his
email address is [email-masked].  It seems that enrollment is a
Bull Market right now... Good deal if you own a Whamiol :)

Please take a moment to welcome him to Ackanomic!!!

snowgod
Registrar

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:46:04 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Synod

snowgod wrote:

> The church is paying A$80 for its seat in the Synod.

It is my reading of the rules that this fee goes to the Treasury,
not the Synod.  The Synod can have money, but since the Synod rule
does not explicitly say the fee goes to the Synod, I would believe it
would go to the Treasury, by game custom.  From R 505: 

> Whenever the Rules specify that a Player should receive A$, and do
> not indicate where those A$ should come from, they shall come from
> the Treasury. Whenever the Rules specify that a Player should lose A$,
> and do not indicate where those A$ should go to, or specify that they
> should be destroyed, they shall go to the Treasury instead.

Of course, Churches are not players, and that is the problem.  It is not
clear cut.  The "custom" of R 505 is that any currency who's migration
is not specified is transferred to and from the treasury.  The word
"players" is an  anachronism, and when non-players became able to own
currency, the rule was never updated (I have this argument in games with
expansion sets all the time -- should a first expansion set card which
obviously did not know about the second expansion set apply to a second
expansion set entity?).

I do not know the *intent* of the Synod rule.  Was the intent that this
fee go to the Treasury or the Synod?  In any case, in the absense of
clarifying opinion, rule, or CFJ, the fee goes from the CoMD to the
Treasury.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:57:04 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Synod 

>
>I do not know the *intent* of the Synod rule.  Was the intent that this
>fee go to the Treasury or the Synod?  In any case, in the absense of
>clarifying opinion, rule, or CFJ, the fee goes from the CoMD to the
>Treasury.
>
>Malenkai
>Financier

I tend to agree with Malenkai's interpretation.  It was my assumption that
the Church's funds were being paid the treasury and not the Synod.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:52:27 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108

mr cwm wrote:

[about G&C 108, Diplomacy]
 
> I second this.

I might as well support it.  It seems to be game custom.  Two more
nominations will make it a G&C game.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:11:35 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal Results

Ludwig wrote:
 
> I'll take one, due to the fact that I wasn't around at the time and it is
> publicly knowable that I have voted.

I am giving Ludwig RoJ fragment 18.  There are 4 fragments still to
be distributed.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:12:52 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Observer

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> We have a New Observer in Ackanomic.  His name is Josh Utterback and his
> email address is [email-masked].  It seems that enrollment is a
> Bull Market right now... Good deal if you own a Whamiol :)
> 
> Please take a moment to welcome him to Ackanomic!!!
> 
> snowgod
> Registrar

Greetings! Glad you are here.

Lestrade

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:43:29 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Acka: More travel...

My, some of use are getting to see a lot of this lovely place
we calll Ackanomicc.  It being such a wonderful day, I've decided
to take a walk, and can't help feeling happy.  A song starts 
filling my head.  "Belle Qui Tien"  I start humming it to myself,
and find my feet starting to dance instead of walk.  It's a rather
simple /pavanne/, one I could probably still teach from back
when I was the Dance Master for my Barony in the SCA.

The joy of this dance/tune, is that it also has words.  I start singing
"Belle qui tiens ma vie,
 mai daunte plaisereux...

As I continue on, I find myself dancing and singing my way
to the rocky foundation of the Gaol.  And, what before my wondering
eyes should appear?  No, not Saint Nicholas, but a shovel, made out of 
rock of the Gaol.  I grab it, suddenly finding in my hands a newly-created
Trinket, the Gaol House Rock Shovel.  It is about 3 feet long, and 
although composed of stone, is surprisingly light and sturdy.  It
looks to be worth A$23.  Looking around the kaa of land around
the Gaol, I find a spot suitable for digging, and I begin
digging with the Gaol House Rock Shovel.  It must mean something.  I hear
the faint memory of the voice of my Elvis Trinket saying "Uh-huh-uh!".

fnord
- -- 
Michael J. Thomas                              [email-masked]
"Opinions are falling like drops of rain"  In that case, I'm in a downpour!

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:30:11 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel... 

>As I continue on, I find myself dancing and singing my way
>to the rocky foundation of the Gaol.  And, what before my wondering
>eyes should appear?  No, not Saint Nicholas, but a shovel, made out of
>rock of the Gaol.  I grab it, suddenly finding in my hands a newly-created
>Trinket, the Gaol House Rock Shovel.  It is about 3 feet long, and
>although composed of stone, is surprisingly light and sturdy.  It
>looks to be worth A$23.  Looking around the kaa of land around
>the Gaol, I find a spot suitable for digging, and I begin
>digging with the Gaol House Rock Shovel.  It must mean something.  I hear
>the faint memory of the voice of my Elvis Trinket saying "Uh-huh-uh!".

I'm all shook up by your attempt, fnord, but its midnight in the Garden of
Good and Elvis.  The Gaolers house is not the Gaol House, and Cow Town is
not Blue Hawaii.  So, if you aint nothin but a houndog, sniff your way the
correct location!

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:27:16 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Travel

I am returning to my castle.

Malenkai
sorry, no treasure clues today

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:18:25 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel...

snowgod writes:
> 
> I'm all shook up by your attempt, fnord, but its midnight in the Garden of
> Good and Elvis.  The Gaolers house is not the Gaol House, and Cow Town is
> not Blue Hawaii.  So, if you aint nothin but a houndog, sniff your way the
> correct location!

Well, I heard that there was a party at your place, so I'm gonna head over
to snowgod's beach cottage, because he did give permission to go there
earlier today.  I'm gonna bring the Shovel, just in case

(and, because I forgot, again
fnord -23, Trinket creation (Shovel)
and, Malenkai, this Trinket will go away soon)

I know I'm on the trail, so I start Morris dancing down the street, 
using the Shovel instead of the customary wooden pole.  This
is tough stuff, here, and really killer on the shins.  Since I know
I'm getting close, I start singing a happy bouncy song.  I think
"Walking on Sunshine" should be just the things to keep my spirits
bouyed until I reach the cottage.

When I get to the shindig, I do just that, hurt on my shins, and start
digging.  I try to do it so as not to disturb the other guests at the 
party.  I mutter to myself "I'm even getting hungry for a fried
peanut butter and banana sandwich.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:22:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel... 

>snowgod writes:
>When I get to the shindig, I do just that, hurt on my shins, and start
>digging.  I try to do it so as not to disturb the other guests at the
>party.  I mutter to myself "I'm even getting hungry for a fried
>peanut butter and banana sandwich.
>
>fnord

Fnord has dug and dug well, abnd found the Statue of snowgod made entirely
of blue jello.

The Entire map to the treasure was:

rosebud

{{or so it would appear at first glance, but rosebud is nothing but a
throwback to the Steal Flea Gazette year end predicition issue.  The
treasure will be found by the player who

A) Finds (or places) a statue of Elvis in the Monument to Futility
B) Does a Song and Dance (elvis will tell you how)
c) Amuses me in the process of
d) digging in my floor}}

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:32:09 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Elvis 

Fnord,

I have to ask.  Did you create three trinkets as a mask of your real
activities, or because you (literally) couldn't read the writing on the
wall?

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:38:29 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108 

I have a few problems with the proposal as it stands... But I want to play
Diplomacy.  So before I support it, can someone clarify for me how G and C
proposals are ammended?  

Narf

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:09:34 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Elvis

snowgod writes:
> 
> I have to ask.  Did you create three trinkets as a mask of your real
> activities, or because you (literally) couldn't read the writing on the
> wall?

It was a mask, and yes on number two.

It took me a while before I noticed the quality could be changed
on the pics I was receiving from the site.  But, I figured I didn't 
want to give it away incase other people had more information that
I might have missed, so I decided to cover my tracks as well.

My question to you is "Who are those people, and which one is
your accomplice?"

fnord

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:11:41 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel...

snowgod writes:
> 
> Fnord has dug and dug well, abnd found the Statue of snowgod made entirely
> of blue jello.

Woo-hoo!  I am donating this lovel Statue of snowgod made entirely
of blue jello to the Museum.  I also make sure to specify to keep it
in a well-air-conditioned room, so it doesn't melt.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:15:15 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elvis 

>My question to you is "Who are those people, and which one is
>your accomplice?"
>
>fnord

Hehehe,

I don't know who those people are, besides the oweners of the nifiest
WebCam I have ever seen.  When I stumbled accross that, I wrote a letter to
"Project Manager", Bob Lepkowski, asking if he'd mind writing a cryptic
message on the top of his whiteboard for a treasure hunt and he said no
problem. Swell bunch of folks there, I'd say.  If I needed to buy something
in the area of whatever it is they were selling, I think i'd buy it from
them :)

I was thinking it would be fun to scatter smaller clues all accross the
room, but then I figured that might be too tricky.  How long did you have
to look around before you found the hint?  I pointed the camera in the
general direction of the Board, but not right at it.  Originally, I was
going to point it at the ceiling.

BTW, did anyone else try out that WebCam?  It's kinda of fun.  If you try
it at night, and turn the thing around to look at the window behind it, you
can look right into the lens of the camera that you are looking at yourself
from :)

Another time I aimed the Cam at the guys monitor well he was using his
computer and was actually able to watch him play with AutoCAD.

snowgod

>Dear Mr. Ackley,
>
>We are happy to help.
>
>Check out the PRI office at your convenience.  The text should be up as I
>write at 11:00 AM Chicago (CST; Greenwich Mean -6)
>
>Good luck.  Stay in touch.  By the way, what do you think of the PRI
>Intercam system?
>
>Best regards,
>
>        BOB Lepkowski

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:17:49 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108 

>I have a few problems with the proposal as it stands... But I want to play
>Diplomacy.  So before I support it, can someone clarify for me how G and C
>proposals are ammended?
>
>Narf

G&C Games are amended by Temporary text rules.

Create a new rule with the following text:

{{Amend G&C Game 8 by changing.....}}

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108 

Ok... I guess I support G&C proposal 108 as well...

But you can expect some more proposals coming from me as soon as it passes :)

Narf

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:41:29 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IRC anyone ?

IRC anyone?

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:48:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108

Narf wrote:

[about diplomacy]

> But you can expect some more proposals coming from me as soon as it 
> passes :)

You should have brought up specific changes in the RFC phase then,
before something you were unconfortable with was submitted.  That is
generally what we do.  I submitted my version for comment before
submission, and ThinMan was the only player with specific commentary.

Moreover, you probably should have submitted your proposal as an RFC
first as well, and a better proposal probably would have resulted.

Malenkai
trying to be helpful :)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:58:48 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel...

snowgod wrote:

> Fnord has dug and dug well, abnd found the Statue of snowgod made entirely
> of blue jello.

> B) Does a Song and Dance (elvis will tell you how)
> c) Amuses me in the process of
> d) digging in my floor}}

For those of us with carrier pidgen access to the net, what was said
on that whiteboard?  I did not figure out the song and dance part.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:39:57 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka IRC

Malenkai-

Idiot Boy, Lestrard, and I are on IRC

Jammer

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:54:28 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Obfuscation  Proposals (was P 1727)

Malenkai wrote:
> Malenkai
> thinking of auctioning my Acka e-mail archive
I would be interested in it if you are serious.

Strider
I love a good read

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:55:03 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Colors

Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, fnord wrote:
> 
> > Well, not _every_ color, but most common ones, yes.  At least
> > we're not using colored tags of some sort or another, as Imperial 6
> > did.  It's quite an eye-opener going through some of their games.
> >
> > fnord
> >
> 
> Actually, I thought that was very cool.  Sequences of tags with rules about
> operating on them to get the winning sequence.  But Niccolo told me a long
> time ago not to get too into math of math's sake here.

What other type is there?
Strider
:)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:03:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bond Sales

I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.

IB

I'm pretty sure, so...

IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFLestrade Bond trade
IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFJammer Bond trade
Jammer   +8, -5 PFJammer Bond trade
Lestrade +8, -5 PFLestrade Bond trade

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:01:36 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> mr cwm wrote:
> 
> [about G&C 108, Diplomacy]
> 
> > I second this.
> 
> I might as well support it.  It seems to be game custom.  Two more
> nominations will make it a G&C game.
> 
> Malenkai
I second? third? ...  Ah, what the smeg.  It's hoopy and I support it.

Strider

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:01:30 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Obfuscation  Proposals (was P 1727)

Stephen McCulley wrote:

> > thinking of auctioning my Acka e-mail archive
> I would be interested in it if you are serious.

Actually, most of the mail is archived on wilma.  My archive just goes
back farther (to about 4/15/96 when I switched to netscape's mail client).
Some players probably have older archives.

If you can think of a way to import those netscape .snm files, and
a way to get them (they are huge; 4-5 meg, and I don't have a server
I can use for this purpose), you can have 'em.

Malenkai
too late for IRC now for me :(

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:17:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More Bond Sales

I am trading A$8 for 5 PFStrider with Strider, assuming he acks.

IB
loving this IRC thing.

IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFStrider Bond Trade
Strider  +8, -5 PFStrider Bond Trade

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:24:22 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More travel... 

>snowgod wrote:
>
>> Fnord has dug and dug well, abnd found the Statue of snowgod made entirely
>> of blue jello.
>
>> B) Does a Song and Dance (elvis will tell you how)
>> c) Amuses me in the process of
>> d) digging in my floor}}
>
>For those of us with carrier pidgen access to the net, what was said
>on that whiteboard?  I did not figure out the song and dance part.
>
>Malenkai

The Song and dance part was sung (by elvis) to anyone who put a trinket of
Elvis in the monument.  Fnord was good enough to destroy his so others
could give it a try.

The note on the whiteboard said "Place a trinket named elvis in the
monument to futility".  I hade3 come up with that before Guy Fawkes left,
and it seemed only fair to award those who tried...

The trick with the Whiteboard was finding the message in the first place.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:21:31 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: IRC anyone ? 

>IRC anyone?
>
>Malenkai

I'll try to stop by in a while, but I can't promise anything.  My other
half has fallen in love with this silly little game called snood, and  the
odds of me getting any computer tinme tonight are slim :)

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:20:43 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Obfuscation  Proposals (was P 1727)

Malenkai wrote:
> Malenkai
> too late for IRC now for me :(

I am sneering good-naturedly at Malenkai for missing his own party.

Strider

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:20:48 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: RE: Acka: Bond Sales

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I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.

IB

I'm pretty sure, so...

IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFLestrade Bond trade
IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFJammer Bond trade
Jammer   +8, -5 PFJammer Bond trade
Lestrade +8, -5 PFLestrade Bond trade

I ack

Jammer
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:32:27 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Bond Sales

Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> I am trading A$8 for 5 PFStrider with Strider, assuming he acks.
> 
> IB
> loving this IRC thing.
> 
> IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFStrider Bond Trade
> Strider  +8, -5 PFStrider Bond Trade
I ack this trade.

Strider

ditto

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:52:22 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond Sales

Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
> I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.
> 
> IB
> 
> I'm pretty sure, so...
> 
> IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFLestrade Bond trade
> IdiotBoy -8, +5 PFJammer Bond trade
> Jammer   +8, -5 PFJammer Bond trade
> Lestrade +8, -5 PFLestrade Bond trade

I ack.

Lestrade

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 00:28:15 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108 

In a message dated 97-02-21 22:06:14 EST, Malenkai wrote:

> You should have brought up specific changes in the RFC phase then,
>  before something you were unconfortable with was submitted.  That is
>  generally what we do.  I submitted my version for comment before
>  submission, and ThinMan was the only player with specific commentary.

I did bring them up, but perhaps I was not vocal enough about it.  To recap,
there are 3 problems I have with the current proposal, 1 of which is minor.

1. <minor> The system is vague, forcing the referee to specify everything
when the game begins.  I prefer a system with defaults, but allowing the
referee to post changes before the game begins.

2. The newest version of the rules comes from the 80's.  The only difference
I am aware of deals with convoys.  Given the following set of orders: A Edi m
Nwy, F Nth c Edi m Nwy, F Nwg c Edi m Nwy...(two alternate convoy routes)  In
the older version of the rules, the convoy fails if either fleet is
dislodged.  In the newer set, both fleets must be dislodged.   Incidentaly,
the electronic judges use neither rule.

3.  I prefer a game where the referee can set the stakes, not just limited to
points.  Ie.. players can play for $A, pfBonds or points.

None of these three points are enough to stop me from approving the proposal.
 All 3 of them are worth ammending, or attempting to ammend, IMHO.

>Moreover, you probably should have submitted your proposal as an RFC
>first as well, and a better proposal probably would have resulted.

Agreed, which is part of why I retracted it.  It was, after all, my first
proposal ever.

Narf

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:28:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond Sales

> I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
> I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.
	Ahh, what is this?!
	I am offering A$20 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade.
	I am offering A$20 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer.
	I am offering A$10 to IdiotBoy for any 5 PF bonds of his choice.
	Nuts.
	In fact, anyone who'll sell me 5 PFBonds will not only get ten to 
twenty A$ in return, but will get the text of one of Malenkai's Trinkets 
as an added incentive.  The more bonds you're willing to part with... the 
more text you'll get.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:43:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond Sales

Mohammed wrote:
> 	In fact, anyone who'll sell me 5 PFBonds will not only get ten to 
> twenty A$ in return, but will get the text of one of Malenkai's Trinkets 
> as an added incentive.  The more bonds you're willing to part with... the 
> more text you'll get.

I'll sell the 5 fnord I found in his treasure.  How much will you offer
for those?

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:42:08 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: RE: Acka: Bond Sales

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 I ack 

Jammer

> I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
> I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.
	Ahh, what is this?!
	I am offering A$20 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade.
	I am offering A$20 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer.
	I am offering A$10 to IdiotBoy for any 5 PF bonds of his choice.
	Nuts.
	In fact, anyone who'll sell me 5 PFBonds will not only get ten to 
twenty A$ in return, but will get the text of one of Malenkai's Trinkets 
as an added incentive.  The more bonds you're willing to part with... the 
more text you'll get.

- --Mohammed
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:48:39 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond Sales

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> > I am paying A$8 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade, pending his ack.
> > I am paying A$8 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer, pending his ack.
>         Ahh, what is this?!
>         I am offering A$20 to Lestrade for 5 PFLestrade.
>         I am offering A$20 to Jammer for 5 PFJammer.
>         I am offering A$10 to IdiotBoy for any 5 PF bonds of his choice.
>         Nuts.
>         In fact, anyone who'll sell me 5 PFBonds will not only get ten to
> twenty A$ in return, but will get the text of one of Malenkai's Trinkets
> as an added incentive.  The more bonds you're willing to part with... the
> more text you'll get.
> 
> --Mohammed

I accept.

Lestrade

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