Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #533
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Ackanomic Digest       Friday, February 21 1997       Volume 01 : Number 533

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:47:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor)

> > {{The Widget of Yendor is currently unowned and is residing in the
> > Treasury. An auction is hereby initiated for the Widget of Yendor.}}
> 
> This auction shall end 2/23 @ 21:53, or three hours after the latest
> bid.  Bids are public.  I bid A$1, to get the ball rolling.

I bid A$10 on the Widget.

breadbox
ONE vote! Just ONE lousy vote!

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:42:08 +0000
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
> DAMN YOUR EYES, MOHAMMED!
> 
> Aagh, I was so close....
> 
> For the last week, I've had butterflies in my stomach every time I
> read my email, expecting a message like that one. If you had to
> notice, why couldn't you have noticed last weekend, before I got my
> hopes up? I would have paid you *anything* to keep quiet, you know....
> 
> Oh, well. I won't retract it. I deserve the point penalty for trying
> to extract such a cheesy win. You can't even dignify it by calling it
> loophole surfing; it's just a low-down sneak attack. I apologize for
> trying to pull such a fast one on my fellow Ackazens.
> 
> I actually got the idea for doing this when I first read the Notes
> rule, back when I was just an observer. It wasn't until now that I
> finally summoned the courage to actually make the attempt.

Y'know, someone just recently tried to pull off something similar in Agora, but 
without the sneakiness. Basically, there was a long, several-hundred-line 
proposal which was long, boring, and repetive (but necessarily so), and near 
the middle, in plain sight (if you got that far), was a sentence added to one 
of the rules which gave to proposer a win. Unfortunately, someone spotted it. 
*I* didn't notice it until the observant player made a post (in reply to a 
discussion of a series of proposals) "what, you don't expect him to mention 
that it'll give him a win, do you?" (or something similar).

Wins by obfuscation are fun.
- --------
Ross Morgan-Linial  *  [email-masked]

Don't confuse me with the facts. I've got a closed mind.
      - Earl Landgrebe

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:59:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

> Y'know, someone just recently tried to pull off something similar in
> Agora, but without the sneakiness. Basically, there was a long,
> several-hundred-line proposal which was long, boring, and repetive
> (but necessarily so), and near the middle, in plain sight (if you
> got that far), was a sentence added to one of the rules which gave
> to proposer a win.

That is actually very similar to what snowgod, our very own
Ambassador, did once (a long time ago). His proposal was essentially a
quotation of the entire text of "This is the Title of the Story, Which
Appears Several Times in the Story Itself", but with "story" replaced
throughout with "proposal", and "paragraph" with "section". AND, near
the end, inserted:

    Furthermore, this sentence ... [creates] the Office of Dictator, who
    shall be selected by the Speaker appointing the author of this
    proposal as Dictator. This sentence states that the Dictator shall
    have no powers other than the ones he publicly declares to holding
    in his first official adress, which he shall be required to give
    within one week of assuming the Dicatorship.

Anyway, it failed as well.

breadbox
historian

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:28:45 +0000
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

Brian Raiter <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > Y'know, someone just recently tried to pull off something similar in
> > Agora, but without the sneakiness. Basically, there was a long,
> > several-hundred-line proposal which was long, boring, and repetive
> > (but necessarily so), and near the middle, in plain sight (if you
> > got that far), was a sentence added to one of the rules which gave
> > to proposer a win.
> 
> That is actually very similar to what snowgod, our very own
> Ambassador, did once (a long time ago). His proposal was essentially a
> [...]

Yes, I saw that in the archives. The difference between that and the Agora 
example is that in the Agora example, the proposal *did* something usesful, 
besides being long and boring. Specifically, it changed all the rules that 
specified Infractions so as to name those Infractions, which would make 
interpreting the Double Jeapordy rule *much* easier. Obviously, if you change 
twenty rules, and quote a full paragraph of the rule both with and without the 
change, you get a very long and boring proposal, which people will not read 
through but will vote FOR anyways.
- --------
Ross Morgan-Linial  *  [email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:34:14 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1727 rejected (Newspapers Must be Public to be Newspapers) 

>Proposal 1727
>Newspapers Must be Public to be Newspapers
>breadbox
>
>Votes cast by active players:  13 / 16 = 81.250000%
>Yes:  9    No:  6     Present:  0   ...Proposal rejected.
>
>
>YES votes:
>	mr cwm
>	IdiotBoy
>	Niccolo Flychuck
>	Narf
>	Strider
>	breadbox
>	Jammer
>	snowgod
>	Malenkai

I attempted to Bribe Tammany on this one.  Did you recieve the message?

snowgod

I wrote at 9:38, on 2/19/97

>I am bribing Tammany w/ A$10 to produce a vote of YES on P1727.
>
>snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:39:08 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Registrarness 

We have a new Observer in Ackanomic.  His name is Brendan Kinnall and his
email address is [email-masked]

Please take a moment to welcome new Observer Brendan to the game!

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:39:59 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor) 

>> Proposal 1726
>> The Widget of Yendor
>
>> {{The Widget of Yendor is currently unowned and is residing in the
>> Treasury. An auction is hereby initiated for the Widget of Yendor.}}
>
>This auction shall end 2/23 @ 21:53, or three hours after the latest
>bid.  Bids are public.  I bid A$1, to get the ball rolling.

I bid A$29

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:44:31 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor) 

>breadbox
>ONE vote! Just ONE lousy vote!

I bribed for, but it looks like that silent bribe killed it.  Oh well, just
remember I'm on your side in this one buddy.  I think its time we remove
Mohammeds eyes :)

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:47:11 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*) 

>That is actually very similar to what snowgod, our very own
>Ambassador, did once (a long time ago). His proposal was essentially a
>quotation of the entire text of "This is the Title of the Story, Which
>Appears Several Times in the Story Itself", but with "story" replaced
>throughout with "proposal", and "paragraph" with "section". AND, near
>the end, inserted:
>
>    Furthermore, this sentence ... [creates] the Office of Dictator, who
>    shall be selected by the Speaker appointing the author of this
>    proposal as Dictator. This sentence states that the Dictator shall
>    have no powers other than the ones he publicly declares to holding
>    in his first official adress, which he shall be required to give
>    within one week of assuming the Dicatorship.
>
>Anyway, it failed as well.
>
>breadbox
>historian

Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it, because at
that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it passed as an immutable
rule.

snowgod
working himself into a tizzy.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:21:50 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : welcome

Welcome to Ackanomic Brendan.
Have fun.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> We have a new Observer in Ackanomic.  His name is Brendan Kinnall and his
> email address is [email-masked]
> 
> Please take a moment to welcome new Observer Brendan to the game!
> 
> snowgod
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:30:55 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Synod 

The Church of the Markovian Dream is purchasing a seat in the Synod with
it's funds.  I am unsure of the date that Malenkai left the church, but I
believe it was within the last 14 days.

The church is paying A$80 for its seat in the Synod. Furthermore, we are
approving "Markovians" as an appropraite abbreviation when refering to our
church's seat. Finally, I am appointing myself as Delegate to the Synod,
with the intention of Officially appointing a new Delegate as soon as the
Church completes its internal referendum.

snowgod

>    4. A Church which does not have a seat in the Synod can purchase a
>     Seat for an Entry Fee of A$50 plus (A$5 multiplied by the maximum
>     number of members of that Church had over the 14-day period
>     preceding the date of purchase). If A Church withdraws from the
>     Synod within 14 days, it is refunded the entire Entry Fee. If a
>     Church withdraws at any time after that, it is refunded 3/5 of its
>     Entry Fee.

Church Of the Markovian Dream -80, Synod Seat Purchase

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:34:52 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> >
> >Anyway, it failed as well.
> >
> >breadbox
> >historian
> 
> 
> Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
> then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it, because at
> that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it passed as an immutable
> rule.
> 
> snowgod
> working himself into a tizzy.
> 
>
I thought breadbox deserved a win for this. Back when snowgod tried to
pull this off I raised the question of whether this would make snowgod
Dictator. I argued that since he was not really the author (more like the
'adaptor') of the text, e would not be Dictator. Either Hofstadter, or a
Hofstadter/snowgod composite would have become Dictator.

It also didn't have the finesse of this proposal.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:40:13 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Colors 

It just occured to me that our ruleset does not contain the word Pink
anywhere within it.  This is odd, because almost every other color is
represented at some place within the set.  Oh well,  at least it struck me
as odd.

snowgod
green

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:44:01 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*) 

>I thought breadbox deserved a win for this.

So did I.

> Back when snowgod tried to
>pull this off I raised the question of whether this would make snowgod
>Dictator. I argued that since he was not really the author (more like the
>'adaptor') of the text, e would not be Dictator. Either Hofstadter, or a
>Hofstadter/snowgod composite would have become Dictator.

I think I agreed with you.  I never claimed to be the "Author" (I left that
open to the courts.) Instead, I felt confident thaqt our actual Dictator
would be the Author of the sotry (that's why I threw in the bit about
having one week to make his address).  I think the courts would have ended
up finding that I was the author though, in the sense that authorship of
proposals is defined within our rules.  At least they would now.
>
>It also didn't have the finesse of this proposal.

This is true.  It was just basic harfiness for the sake of harfinees.  The
fun was in seeing if anyone would bother reading clear to the end.

>Niccolo Flychuck
snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:44:25 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Senate - applyng for Expert status

Senators,
I'd like to apply for Expert status on the following:
Organizations and Institutions

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:48:41 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Techno For President! 

Ladies and Gentlemen!  I present to you this simple wish:

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

Techno, be so kind as to Nominate yourself!

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

snowgod
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:13:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Synod

> The church is paying A$80 for its seat in the Synod. Furthermore, we are
> approving "Markovians" as an appropraite abbreviation when refering to our
> church's seat.

Markovians? Not Markov Links?

b

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:44:25 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Senate - applyng for Expert status

Senators,
I'd like to apply for Expert status on the following:
Organizations and Institutions

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:23:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor)

>> breadbox
>> ONE vote! Just ONE lousy vote!
> 
> I bribed for, but it looks like that silent bribe killed it.

The reason I bribed silent was that it would override more bribes
against - I didn't really expect anyone else would bribe for. But in
any case, with 9/15, adding a vote from Tammany wouldn't have been
enough (10/16 equals 62.5%). I should have said one vote *change* (or,
one less vote change, really), which would have put it at 10/15
exactly.

breadbox
c'est la vie

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:52:25 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost (Niccolo) - ack

I acknowledge this messgae. Let the games begin.

Niccolo Flychuck
GamesMaster

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Pretty good crowd for this game.  The players, in the randomly assigned
> playing order, are listed below.  The game starts immediately upon the
> GamesMaster acking this message.
> 
> In order to keep the game moving along, I encourage prompt play by
> the players, and a prompt ack by the GamesMaster.  I am not going to
> ack each message; the system of including the player list and next
> player's turn as part of the current turn message worked well last
> time, I'll do it that way.  Your turn starts immediately upon the
> player before you playing, unless there is a protest or something.
> 
> Malenkai
> referee
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> There is no ghost word.  It is Narf's turn (upon GamesMaster ack).
> 
> Narf
> ThinMan
> /dev/joe
> IdiotBoy
> fnord
> breadbox
> snowgod
> mr cwm
> Mohammed
> 

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:13:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Synod

> The church is paying A$80 for its seat in the Synod. Furthermore, we are
> approving "Markovians" as an appropraite abbreviation when refering to our
> church's seat.

Markovians? Not Markov Links?

b

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:48:41 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Techno For President! 

Ladies and Gentlemen!  I present to you this simple wish:

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

Techno, be so kind as to Nominate yourself!

TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

snowgod
TECHNO FOR PRESIDENT!

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:44:01 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*) 

>I thought breadbox deserved a win for this.

So did I.

> Back when snowgod tried to
>pull this off I raised the question of whether this would make snowgod
>Dictator. I argued that since he was not really the author (more like the
>'adaptor') of the text, e would not be Dictator. Either Hofstadter, or a
>Hofstadter/snowgod composite would have become Dictator.

I think I agreed with you.  I never claimed to be the "Author" (I left that
open to the courts.) Instead, I felt confident thaqt our actual Dictator
would be the Author of the sotry (that's why I threw in the bit about
having one week to make his address).  I think the courts would have ended
up finding that I was the author though, in the sense that authorship of
proposals is defined within our rules.  At least they would now.
>
>It also didn't have the finesse of this proposal.

This is true.  It was just basic harfiness for the sake of harfinees.  The
fun was in seeing if anyone would bother reading clear to the end.

>Niccolo Flychuck
snowgod

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:27:25 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Kolot Ackanomic

RELIGIOUS and POLITICAL TURMOIL IN ACKANOMIC

Nigh a fortnight ago the (None Yet) Party, the oldest Party in Ackanomic,
approached a crisis when Guy Fawkes left Ackanomic. In a surprising movee,
Speaker Malenkai anounced that e was leaving the HARF Party, of which e
was a founding member, and joining  the (None Yet) Party. This gave
incentive to other players to join (None Yet), some of them even suggested
to Malenkai that the (None Yet) Party was safe and e could return to
HARF. Malenkai responded that e was happy in eir new Party and intended to
stay there.
Not long after Malenkai announced that e was leaving the Church of the
Markovian Dream and pledged eir faith to the Church of Seleya.

LUDWIG SWINGS INTO THE GAME

Ludwig, a relative new-comer to Ackanomic, joined the (None Yet) Party in
the rush to save the Party (see previous item) from  demise. He has been
appointed (None Yet) Swinger in snowgod's stead, and while he has not had
a chance to make a move, e is rumored to be an experienced variant chess
player and is sure to introduce some new exciting tactics into the game.

Nicolai Chuckarov
fro Kolot Ackanomic

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:30:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Worried about my immortal soul.

I am donating 25PBPGuy to the Church of the Markovian Dream.

IB
(I'm not putting the Financier notes in, because it has yet to be acked, is
this proper procedure?)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:50:38 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

snowgod wrote:
>Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
>then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it, because at
>that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it passed as an immutable
>rule.

Mohammed was not the only one to read it all thge way through, my evil
twin.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:04:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bond quotes.

Another long, but exceptionally entertaining, list of bond quotes has been
posted to Acka-finance.

I'm not going to announce these here every time, but I really do want to buy
a lot (several lots actually) of bonds in the next few days, so please take
a gander and see what we can do.

If you're not subscribed to acka-finance, please email me, and I'll send you
a copy of my bond quotes.

IB

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:33:02 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Worried about my immortal soul. 

>I am donating 25PBPGuy to the Church of the Markovian Dream.
>
>IB
>(I'm not putting the Financier notes in, because it has yet to be acked, is
>this proper procedure?)

I acknowledge this transaction on behalf of the Church of the Markovian Dream.

snowgod

Idiot Boy -25PBPGuy, Absolution :)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:33:27 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*) 

>snowgod wrote:
>>Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
>>then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it, because at
>>that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it passed as an immutable
>>rule.
>
>Mohammed was not the only one to read it all thge way through, my evil
>twin.
>
>ThinMan

:)

snowgod
bandwidth waster

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:09:49 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Obfuscation  Proposals (was P 1727)

ThinMan wrote:

> snowgod wrote:
>
>> Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!!
>> And then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it,
>> because at that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it
>> passed as an immutable rule.
>
> Mohammed was not the only one to read it all thge way through, my
> evil twin.

For anyone interested, the proposal in question is P 638.  Nothing against
Mohammed, but it was indeed ThinMan who pointed out the true colors
of P 638, within 2 hours of its release, on April 18, 1996.  I remember
this because both the proposal and the discussion had already hit the
list by the time I checked my mail:

ThinMan wrote 18-Apr-96, in response to P 638:

> In short: nice try, snowgod.
>
> Lest anyone actually vote for P638, let me note that one of the few effects
> it actually has is to make the author Dictator, with whatever powers he
> claims for himself.  I, myself, will vote present, lest the proposal be
> unanimously rejected, and thus become an immutable rule.
>
> If anyone else actually read the entire text of the proposal, then my
> congratulations and condolences.  I hope we can dispense with this kind
> of mechanism.

Elder Brinjal wrote in response, 18-Apr-96:

> I was going to vote "ROFL" till I came to my senses and decided that
> "NO" would be more appropriate.

Mohammed wrote in response, 18-Apr-96:

>        The bill only explicitly says that the author does NOT get any
> powers that he does NOT claim for himself.  It does not say that he DOES
> get any powers that he DOES claim for himself.
>        I expect Robert Sevin will disagree.  :o)

>        In another funny twist, there are rumors that the player who
> submitted the proposal is not its author.  Because it would make the game
> insane, I support this proposal whole-heartedly and am voting Yes.

Niccolo Flychuck wrote in response, 19-Apr-96:

> Whether or not Snowgod is the author of the proposal is debatable. It may
> be argued that since the bulk of the text was adapted from elswhere, that
> snowgod is not the author of the proposal, OTOH, the exact form in which
> it appeared, did not appear before. The original would not have called
> itself a proposal, f'rinstance, and would also not have included the
> dictator clauses. So one might argue, just as convincingly, that while
> snowgod is the author of the entire text, he is the author the proposal
> containing that text.

Malenkai
thinking of auctioning my Acka e-mail archive

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:16:38 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Akca: (The Widget of Yendor) and RoJ17 auction

Malenkai writes:
> > Proposal 1726
> > The Widget of Yendor
> 
> > {{The Widget of Yendor is currently unowned and is residing in the
> > Treasury. An auction is hereby initiated for the Widget of Yendor.}}
> 
> This auction shall end 2/23 @ 21:53, or three hours after the latest
> bid.  Bids are public.  I bid A$1, to get the ball rolling.

The last bid I saw was A$29, ao I am bidding A$42.

> Also, Strider's bid on RoJ 17 is invalid

That is also correct. The last valid bid was A$25 from Narf

Also, please note, interested bidders, that Shubik auction bids are
still required to be 10% greater than the last bid.

fnord
Chief Cheese as well

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:27:07 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Colors

snowgod writes:
> It just occured to me that our ruleset does not contain the word Pink
> anywhere within it.  This is odd, because almost every other color is
> represented at some place within the set.  Oh well,  at least it struck me
> as odd.

Well, not _every_ color, but most common ones, yes.  At least
we're not using colored tags of some sort or another, as Imperial 6
did.  It's quite an eye-opener going through some of their games.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:11:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Colors

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, fnord wrote:

> Well, not _every_ color, but most common ones, yes.  At least
> we're not using colored tags of some sort or another, as Imperial 6
> did.  It's quite an eye-opener going through some of their games.
> 
> fnord
> 

Actually, I thought that was very cool.  Sequences of tags with rules about
operating on them to get the winning sequence.  But Niccolo told me a long
time ago not to get too into math of math's sake here.

IB
frustrated mathematician

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:17:02 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka : Otzma Transaction

Niccolo Flychuck wrote:

>I give 4 Swingpoints to ThinMan

I gratefully acknowledge this transaction.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:19:32 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost (Niccolo) - ack 

Hmm..... let us begin, then with the letter "g"

Narf

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:23:42 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Ghost (Niccolo) - ack

Narf wrote:

>Hmm..... let us begin, then with the letter "g"

The ghost word is "gh"

The playing order is:

/dev/joe
IdiotBoy
fnord
breadbox
snowgod
mr cwm
Mohammed
Narf
ThinMan

- --

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:50:28 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

If I remember correctly, it was not even necessary to read it all the way
through, but only to scan it all the way through, as the added material
messed up the margins.  That's how I caught it, but by then plot had
already been pointed out (although, reading my maill in order or reciept,
I hadn't seen the post yet). 

- -mr cwm

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, ThinMan wrote:

>
>snowgod wrote:
>>Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
>>then he had the gall to urge some players not to vote NO! on it, because at
>>that time if a proposal waas defeated unanimously it passed as an immutable
>>rule.
>
>Mohammed was not the only one to read it all thge way through, my evil
>twin.
>
>ThinMan
>

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:53:39 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: G&C proposal 108

I second this.

- -mr cwm

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Niccolo Flychuck wrote:

>
>
>
>Diplomacy
>Malenkai
>
>"
>I.  Equipment: None.
>
>II.  Number of Players:
>
>Minimum 2, maximum: Number of Ackanomic players less 1. Referees: 1
>
>III.  Starting an instance of the game:
>
>The game is started upon the completion of the following ordered list
>of steps:
>
>A.  A player announces their intent to be a referee for a game of
>Diplomacy.  For the purposes of this section, they will be referred to
>as the "Referee", athough they do not become so until the game actually
>starts.  They may abort this procedure at any time before step F occurs,
>by publically announcing this action, in which case no instance of a
>game occurs.
>
>B.  The Referee announces the following information:
>
>    1) The minimum and maximum number of players in the game.
>
>    2) Any variations to the Rules of Standard Diplomacy.  Such variations
>may not scope beyond the game of Diplomacy.  For the purposes of this
>game, "Rules of Standard Diplomacy" means the document entitled "Rules
>for Diplomacy", copyright 1976, as published by The Avalon Hill Game
>Co.  The variant must at least be recognizable as form of the game of
>Diplomacy.
>
>    3) If the variant uses countries, the method in which countries shall
>be assigned.
>
>    4) If the variant uses orders or moves, and turns, the time limit
>by which orders or moves must be submitted from the announced start of
>a turn.  If multiple types of turns exist [eg, "move" and "build"],
>different time limits may be specified for each type.  For the purposes
>of these rules, "moves" should be construed as any possible game action
>that requires notifiying the referee.
>
>    5) The method of adjudication.  The valid methods are "manual" and
>"automated".  If manual adjudication is specified, the form of all valid
>moves in the game and the manner of communication with the referee must
>be specified.  If automated adjudication is specified, the referee must
>specify instructions on how to use the "judge", or provide a pointer
>to a suitable set of instructions.  In either case, it should be such that
>a player may play the game with e-mail only access to the Internet.
>
>   6) The default action for all late, ambiguous, or otherwise invalid
>orders or moves, and some sort of discussion of what constitutes a late,
>ambiguous, or invalid move.
>
>   7) The conditions, if any, under which the game will be terminated
>prematurely [e.g., after the Autumn 1930 move], and the method for
>determining a winner or winners in such a case.  It is not required that
>a winner be determined in this case.
>
>   8) The actions of any bots playing in the game, as per section V.
>Bots can replace players who are on vacation or leave the game. [e.g,
>bots always submit unambigious hold orders for all their units, and
>never submit build orders.]
>
>C.  The referee announces open enrollment in the game, and the deadline
>by which open enrollment shall end.
>
>D.  Ackanomic players other than the referee who wish to play shall e-mail
>the referee stating this intention.  This step shall end upon the
>occurrance of either of the following 2 events:  The open enrollment
>deadline occurs, or, the maximum number of players for this instance
>of the game have signed up.
>
>E.  Upon the former event occurring, the game cannot start unless at
>least the minimum number of players enrolled, and, in this case, this
>procedure is aborted with no game instance occurring.
>
>F.  The referree announces the start of the game, the names and e-mail
>addresses of all the players, and any necessary initial data [e.g.
>country assignments].
>
>IV.  Rules of the Game:
>
>Standard Diplomacy shall be played, except as modified by the details
>announced per section III, and except that no physical board and pieces
>shall be used (athough it is permissible, but not required, for a web
>page to be maintained that simulates such), and except that a referee
>shall adjudicate all game moves and maintain the game state.  The
>decisions of the referee are final.
>
>Winning the game:  Unless specified otherwise in the details announced
>per section III, the first single player to achieve the winning conditions
>of Standard Diplomacy shall win the game.  Also, unless countermanded as
>per section III, 2 or more players may claim a win by, as a group,
>controlling enough of the game space such that if said control were
>achieved by a single player, that player would win, provided all players
>involved acknowledge this claim seperately to the referee.  [e.g, if 2
>or more players control 18 sc's between themselves, they can announce a
>co-win].
>
>Upon a winning condition being achieved, the game ends.  All winners
>split 8 points evenly.  If the number of winners does not divide evenly
>into 8, however, the number of points split is the greatest positive
>multiple of the number of winners that is less than 8.  If no such number
>exists, no points are awarded.
>
>If the game ends without a winner or winners being declared, however,
>no points are awarded.
>
>Upon the end of a game, the referee receives A$10.
>
>V.  Errata
>
>Upon a player or referee of Diplomacy becoming no longer an active
>Ackanomic player, the game is paused until a replacment is found, and
>such replacement is acknowledged by the referee, or the GamesMaster in
>the cases where there is no referee, or the player in question is replacing
>the referee.  The game becomes unpaused upon all non-active players being
>replaced, or upon being in a paused state for 3 consecutive days,
>whichever occurs first.  The replacement shall play in the former
>players stead until that player once again achieves active status in
>Ackanomic.
>
>A player may resign from Diplomacy, in which case they are treated as a
>non-active player as above, except they may never participate in that
>instance of Diplomacy again.
>
>No game play shall occur while the game is in a state of pause, and
>no time in a state of pause shall count towards any durations in the
>game, except for counting towards the pause duration, of course.
>
>If no replacement player is found by the time the game becomes unpaused,
>a bot shall play in their stead, as specified in section III.  If the
>individual in question is the referee, however, the game ends without a
>winner upon it beoming un-paused, if no replacement referee has been
>found.
>
>An active Ackanomic player may always replace a bot with the approval
>of the referee, provided that player has not previously participated
>in that instance of Diplomacy.
>"
>
>

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:54:33 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Party

Thanks.  I'll stop by for a while.

- -mr cwm

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, snowgod wrote:

>Party at snowgods beach cottage.  Let's all sit around a fire, dance,
>listen to elivs reords, and play a game of ghost.  All ghost players are
>invited.  Anyolne else who wants to come is wlecome too.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:08:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost play

ThinMan wrote:
> The ghost word is "gh"

I play "gho"

> The playing order is:
> 
> IdiotBoy
> fnord
> breadbox
> snowgod
> mr cwm
> Mohammed
> Narf
> ThinMan
> /dev/joe

- --
/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:09:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor)

> breadbox
> ONE vote! Just ONE lousy vote!
	If you had spent those A$25 on Tammany, and maybe bought a Bonus 
Vote from somebody, I bet that would have done it.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:13:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1727 (*Read This Now!*)

> Yep, and would you know who read all the way through it?  Mohammed!!! And
	Was it me?  I thought you were talking about the proposal that 
said that every rule has an exception; I know I was the one who pointed 
that out... :o)

- --Mohammed
trying to maintain the value of his Cloak

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:17:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond quotes.

> Another long, but exceptionally entertaining, list of bond quotes has been
> posted to Acka-finance.
	I'm not interested in selling my bonds, but if you have any bonds 
of your own I'll trade five for five-- just to diversify.  I don't know 
how our scores compare...

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:17:58 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Party

snowgod wrote:

>Party at snowgods beach cottage.  Let's all sit around a fire, dance,
>listen to elivs reords, and play a game of ghost.  All ghost players are
>invited.  Anyolne else who wants to come is wlecome too.

Hey, things have been kind of flat over at AHOP so a nice beach party
sounds like just the ticket.  After 'phoning in my first ghost play,
I put on my beach party attire and saunter on over to snowgod's place.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:21:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

> > 	If time runs out, the action happens if more than half the org 
> > approved it, and fails otherwise.
> I think that this might want to be put at 2/3rds, or maybe even
> settable by the org in question, so that each org can define how
> many of its members need approve.  Or, it could be based on what type
> of action is being attempted.
	Cool.  I'll make that change and RFC the result in the next few hours.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:23:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1726 accepted (The Widget of Yendor)

> > ONE vote! Just ONE lousy vote!
> 	If you had spent those A$25 on Tammany, and maybe bought a Bonus 
> Vote from somebody, I bet that would have done it.
	It wouldn't have.  :o(
	Ah, well.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:26:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bribe P1727

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:
> I am bribing Tammany w/ A$10 to produce a vote of YES on P1727.
	Amazing.  I found this in my biz box.  I could have sworn I scoured 
that box for bribes....

snowgod  -10 : Tammany P1727

- --Mohammed
doh!

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:28:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost play

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> I play "gho"
> 

I play "ghou"

The playing order is:

fnord
breadbox
snowgod
mr cwm
Mohammed
Narf
ThinMan
/dev/joe
IdiotBoy

IB

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:45:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bond quotes.

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> 	I'm not interested in selling my bonds, but if you have any bonds 
> of your own I'll trade five for five-- just to diversify.  I don't know 
> how our scores compare...
> 
> --Mohammed
> 

I don't own any of my own bonds, but we can deal with PFTechno or PFsnowgod.

IB

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:05:52 -0800
From: [email-masked] (fnord)
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost play

IdiotBoy spake thusly:
> 
> I play "ghou"

I play "ughou"

> The playing order is:
> 
> breadbox
> snowgod
> mr cwm
> Mohammed
> Narf
> ThinMan
> /dev/joe
> IdiotBoy
> fnord

fnord

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