Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #522
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Ackanomic Digest       Sunday, February 16 1997       Volume 01 : Number 522

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:57:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Hunting

I am creating a trinket worth A$5 named baa baa food.
The Little Lamb likes to eat baa baa food even more than it
like to eat grass, but since the rules don't allow trinkets
to be eaten, it can't.

I am holding the baa baa food in front of the Little Lamb's nose.

I would like to visit fnord's house, and I am requesting permission
to do so.  I would also like to visit mother's house, but I
can't seem to find it on the map.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:30:13 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Sunday brunch 

In a message dated 97-02-14 08:42:56 EST, you write:

<< [email-masked] wrote:
 
 > I am creating a trinket called "The Frozen Mirror" valued at A$6 that is
 > reputed (probably falsely) to freeze the expression on the face of 
 > anyone who sneers into it and am offering it as a gift to Mohammed.
 
 Are you actually giving this to Mohammed?
 
 Malenkai >>

Yes, I am, so that he can show it to those artsy-fartsy sneering types.
Narf

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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:52:56 +0000
From: "Ross Morgan-Linial" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: poll

Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > I'd like to always be able to leave an org, despite its internal rules.
> 	This seems to be the concensus.  I'll probably make it something 
> like:
> 
> No entity may become a member of an Organization without expressing its
> desire to do so.  Any member of an Organization may leave the Organization
> at any time.

Awwww! Perhaps make it so that this is true only if the Organization cannot 
show that it notified the joining player (or the PF) that this was not 
neccessarily true, before the player announced eir consent to join? That would 
allow for fun organizations which can force players to stay. If you oppose such 
organizations, don't join any :-)
- --------
Ross Morgan-Linial  *  [email-masked]

Don't confuse me with the facts. I've got a closed mind.
      - Earl Landgrebe

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:11:08 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Rats on, Rats off 

Rats live on no evil star
A man, a plan, a canal, panama.
I palindrome I

snowgod
hopeful

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:46:38 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Blueprint

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> I am creating a trinket known as the Shades of Chorg.  It has a value of
> A$5.  It is a small purple frog which can be worn on my shoulder.

This is a violation of rule 348, and does not occur.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:33:54 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Blueprint 

>Phil Ackley wrote:
>>
>> I am creating a trinket known as the Shades of Chorg.  It has a value of
>> A$5.  It is a small purple frog which can be worn on my shoulder.
>
>This is a violation of rule 348, and does not occur.
>
>Malenkai
>Financier

You are right, of course.  I didn't realize that you had already defined
the shades as a trinket.  Instead, I believed that the shades were part of
an unreleased blueprint.  I apologize.

Of course, the shades are obviously a boon of the Heretics. :)

snowgod

The opinions expressed in the trinket description below are not my own and
it would be very bad taste indeed to burn me for them:

>Shades of Chorg (value A$51):
>
>Not only do these sunglasses protect the wearer from bright lights such as
>those from bonfires, Bronze Torches and flame
>wars, they also allow their wearer to see the true curvature of the earth.
>In fact, when tilted properly, their wearer can see
>clear around the earth.

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:31:47 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: acka: (None Yet)

I accept the postion.
Ludwig
I'm Swinging!

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Phil Ackley <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, mr cwm wrote:
>>
>>> To:   Ackanomians
>>> From: mr cwm, member of (None Yet)
>>>
>>> The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
>>> Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
>>> aboard!
>
>>The current (None Yet) Swinger needs to resing before (None Yet) can
>>appoint Ludwig to that Office.
>>
>>Niccolo Flychuck
>>who needed to post at least as one of eir Offices.
>
>I am resigning from the office of Swinger pending Ludwigs confirmation of
>this message.
>
>snowgod
>
>.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:31:57 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Hall of Elders

Guy Fawkes day is traditionally Nov 5.
Ludwig

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
>Guy Fawkes received 10 Hall of Elder Nominations.  I count 15 active 
>players currently.
>
>Guy Fawkes Day is Sept 5th.  His possessions can
>still be found on my undead page: http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackaud.htm
>
>The Historian should write a biography.
>
>The enshrinement of an Elder, oddly enough, is not a public gathering.
>
>We wish Guy the best.
>
>Malenkai
>
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:14:58 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: On vacation

I haven't played Diplomacy for 15-20 years, so maybe I'd be an easy
mark, but I'd give it a shot.

- -mr cwm

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Strider wrote:

>[email-masked] wrote:
>> 
>> I am putting my self on vacation until Monday Feb 17 at 6:00 pm EST.
>> 
>> I will be running a ftf Diplomacy tournament at a gaming convention this
>> weekend.  Have a great 3 day weekend, everyone
>Not that this has anything to do with anything, but would anyone be
>interested in having Diplomacy as a subgame?  I'll write an RFC if
>there's any interest.
>
>Strider
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:30:03 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hall of Elders

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Guy Fawkes day is traditionally Nov 5.
> Ludwig
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >Guy Fawkes received 10 Hall of Elder Nominations.  I count 15 active
> >players currently.
> >
> >Guy Fawkes Day is Sept 5th.  His possessions can
> >still be found on my undead page: http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackaud.htm
> >
> >The Historian should write a biography.
> >
> >The enshrinement of an Elder, oddly enough, is not a public gathering.
> >
> >We wish Guy the best.
> >
> >Malenkai
> >
> >
Rimshot.

Strider

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:44:15 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC eliminating the voting bonus

Mohammed spake thusly
> 
> Please let me know what you think.
> 
> RFC Eliminating the Voting Bonus
> 
> Rule 207 (Scoring When A Proposal's Voting Results are Reported) is
> amended by changing:

I'm not really keen on this one at all.  Since I'm not as creative a proposal
writer as others are, I tend to make most, if not all of my points by
voting on proposals.  It at least makes it feel like I _might_
make the Magic NUmber, even if I due truly know that I will never
reach it as fast as others who do write proposals.

fnord

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:52:22 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Pre-RFC  org reorg

Mohammed spake thusly
> 
> An Organization can attempt actions.  However, the process for an
> Organization to attempt an action is somewhat more complex than the
> same process for players.  First, some member of the Organization must
> send a public message suggesting an action for the Organization to
> take.  Then the other members may approve of the suggestion or
> denounce it.  If any member denounces the suggestion, it is voided,
> and the Organization as a whole does not take or attempt to take the
> suggested action.
> 
> If, after a suggestion is made, all members of the Organization have
> approved it and none denounced it, the Organization attempts the
> action as described in the original message.

This is an extremely interesting concept, however, there may some 
possibilities that you want to prepare for.  Should there be a time limit
on how long an Organization has to approve?  Suppose one player in 
the org decides to not say anything (yea or nay) anbout a suggestion.
What about Vacation or Gaol or other similar situations?

fnord

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:09:05 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Runestone 17

Strider spake thusly
> 
> I am offering fnord Runestone Fragment 3 for Runestone Fragment 17.

I am afraid I must decline this offer.  I like this stone.

fnord

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:21:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hall of Elders

> 
> Guy Fawkes day is traditionally Nov 5.
> Ludwig
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Malenkai <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >Guy Fawkes received 10 Hall of Elder Nominations.  I count 15 active
> >players currently.
> >
> >Guy Fawkes Day is Sept 5th.  His possessions can
> >still be found on my undead page: http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackaud.htm

Actually, Guy Fawkes once wrote a proposal to have an Ackanomic Guy
Fawkes Day. And yes, the point of the holiday was to burn him. It
didn't pass.

b

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:04:55 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hunting

/dev/joe spake thusly
> 
> I would like to visit fnord's house, and I am requesting permission
> to do so.  I would also like to visit mother's house, but I
> can't seem to find it on the map.

/dev/joe!  Welcome!  Please, come in.  The place is a little
messed up right now, what with trinket-creating, and CE playing.
I'm sorry, I'm a little short on refreshments.  All I can serve
you is Kick, a supposed Mountain Dew alternative, which I
actually like better, because it tastes kind of pineapple-y.

I don't know why you'd want to visit my mother's house, she doesn't
live around here anywhere.  Perhaps visions of the Chao have been
plaguing you lately.  I know it does that to me _all_ the time.

Also, I'm glad you're here.  What with you being the Map-Harfer,
you can be the firstt to hear that I am changing my house name
to "The House of the Techno-Discordians, Ackanomic Activity
Department (AAD)".

fnord

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:43:46 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: On vacation 

>I haven't played Diplomacy for 15-20 years, so maybe I'd be an easy
>mark, but I'd give it a shot.

I have never played diplomacy, but would be interested.

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:52:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Beldin's Pants

As Beldin's Tailor, I am hereby (a)mending the rule "Beldin's Pants"
as follows.

Currently, the rule states:
   
     Beldin's Pants are a Garment, initially Somewhere Else. Beldin's
     Pants may only be transferred as described in the rules. Beldin's
     Pants are unique.
     
     The wearer of Beldin's Pants loses 1 Ackadollar every Thursday at
     noon.

I am replacing the word "transferred" with the word "removed".

breadbox
Beldin's Tailor

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:55:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Beldin's Pants

> As Beldin's Tailor, I am hereby (a)mending the rule "Beldin's Pants"
> as follows.
> 
> Currently, the rule states:
>    
>      Beldin's Pants are a Garment, initially Somewhere Else. Beldin's
>      Pants may only be transferred as described in the rules. Beldin's
>      Pants are unique.
>      
>      The wearer of Beldin's Pants loses 1 Ackadollar every Thursday at
>      noon.
> 
> I am replacing the word "transferred" with the word "removed".

Noting the fact that the transferrance of Beldin's Pants is no longer
governed by the rules, by Rule 101 I am transferring Beldin's Pants to
the legs of Malenkai.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:36:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Correct Hunting

I am visiting fnord's house.  Nice place, but I have to run.
I am returning to my home.

I am holding the baa baa food.
I would like to visit fnord's house (a.k.a. The House of the
Techno-Discordians, Ackanomic Activity Department (AAD)) again.
[By the way, I'm not going to be able to fit all that on the map,
but I might if I abbreviate the last part as AAD.  The previous name
of your house was so long I had to write in in 8pt and this is longer.]

I would also like to visit all of the following:
The Revolving Shed, Malenkai's Castle, FunkyTown, The Castle on a Cloud,
and Lestrade's Lighthouse.

/dev/joe
Doh! the 5 was really a 5!

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:43:30 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants

Brian Raiter wrote:

> Noting the fact that the transferrance of Beldin's Pants is no longer
> governed by the rules, by Rule 101 I am transferring Beldin's Pants to
> the legs of Malenkai.

I'm not sure about that.  Firstly, I would argue that this action is 
a change of the game state, and must be done as described in the rules.
Without that, there are a couple of other problems with it, both in 
rule 931, because it is a Garment still.  Its a shame, because the first 
point above is the most interesting:

> R 931
> The owner, and only the owner, of a particular garment may don that
> garment if he is currently wearing no garment, or remove it if he is
> currently wearing it.

a) This donning was attempted by a non-owner.
b) I am wearing my champions cloak (even though that is not updated 
correctly on the player's page, sorry :( -- I donned in in an e-mail
dated 12/26/96 if you would like to verify; I will update the P-E 
page tomorrow)
c) R 931 has prececence over 940, so I would be allowed to remove them
via 931, but I do not believe they ever made it on me.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:48:55 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 346 Appeal Verdict

On CFJ 346:

The Supreme Court overturns the verdict of INVALID and returns a verdict
of TRUE.

The Court attempted to penalize the original judge A$1.  I believe this
should be rendered as 1 point, by the spelling rule.

The Scroll of Crumble is transferred back to Malenkai, and the Little
Bag O Chips F is transferred to Mohammed.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 346
  Subject: Inconsistent
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Strider (selected Feb 06, 1997, 23:23h EST)
Judgement: INVALID
   Appeal: TRUE

Statement:

Malenkai did not accept the trade quoted below, and was the victim of
an Orbital Mind Control Laser.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

The following offer was offer to Malenkai, who never accepted
it.  However, the OMCL transferred the entities anyway.  The ftp
archives will verify that Malenkai never accepted this offer.

A verdict of FALSE should quote Malenkai's acceptance, as a matter of
record, if such a verdict is rendered.

> I hereby offer Malenkai the Trinket I received in the Castle on a Cloud
> (one of the Little Bags O' Chips), in exchange for all the Trinkets e owns
> whose names contain two consecutive 'k's *and* Malenkai's Scroll of
> Crumble.

Strider's Reasoning:

The problem with this CFJ, and the reason it is invalid, is that the events
it refers to did not happen.  I refer to Rule 255, which reads, in part,
"The only thing a player on vacation may legally do is take himself off
vacation."  I also refer to Rule 101, which reads, in part, "All players
must always abide by all the rules then in effect,"

        As Mohammed was on vacation at the time this "trade" was offered, it
should have no effect on the game state of Ackanomic.  Guy Fawkes use of
the OMCL also had no effect, as there was no trade for it to affect.

Malenkai's Appeal Reasoning:

R 211 describes when a CFJ should be judged as Invalid.  The statement
of this CFJ falls into none of those categories.  It is a clear
single statement that can be answered true or false.  It is not
substantially similar to another CFJ or its negative from the last
week, nor is it similar to a paradox win CFJ judged true in the past.

As to the facts, the events in question occured in the following
order, which can be verified by the ftp archive.

Mohammed offered a trade
Guy Fawkes used the OMCL on that trade
Proposal 1700 failed, putting Mohammed on vacation

Supreme Court's Reasoning:

The Court finds that Malenkai did not, in fact, accept the trade in
question, and, thus, finds that he was, indeed, a victim of the Orbital
Mind Control Laser (giving "victim" it's ordinary English meaning, as it
is not specially defined in the Rule Set).

Penalty to the original judge:

Penalty to the Original Judge A$1.

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:32:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants

> I'm not sure about that.  Firstly, I would argue that this action is 
> a change of the game state, and must be done as described in the rules.

Yeah, I would have to agree. I didn't really expect to get away with
this....

>> R 931
>> The owner, and only the owner, of a particular garment may don that
>> garment if he is currently wearing no garment, or remove it if he is
>> currently wearing it.
> 
> a) This donning was attempted by a non-owner.
> b) I am wearing my champions cloak (even though that is not updated 
> correctly on the player's page, sorry :( -- I donned in in an e-mail
> dated 12/26/96 if you would like to verify; I will update the P-E 
> page tomorrow)
> c) R 931 has prececence over 940, so I would be allowed to remove them
> via 931, but I do not believe they ever made it on me.

Well, this I hadn't foreseen. Rats.

I slink home, muttering to myself and hiding my face in shame, as the
crowds jeer at my feeble attempt at evil.

breadbox

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