Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #520
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Ackanomic Digest       Friday, February 14 1997       Volume 01 : Number 520

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:13:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Fictionary Results

The definitions were:

(breadbox) 1. To coax or encourage.
(Malenkai) 2. Cheese made from yak's milk.
(Guy)      3. to make the shrill sound characteristic of a cock, to crow
(actual)   4. to make a murmuring sound (as of doves)
(snowgod)  5.
(ThinMan)  6. A bead of molten glass, prior to its shaping by a glassblower

ThinMan voted for #4. Malenkai and breadbox voted for #6.
Guy Fawkes quit Ackanomic before voting this round, and sheeped by default.
snowgod didn't vote within the time limit, and sheeped by default.

Guy Fawkes's definition was somewhat on the right track - a bird sound -
but the type of sound was at the opposite end of the spectrum from the
actual definition.

ThinMan scores 2 points for voting for the correct definition, and
2 more points for two other players voting for his definition.
Everybody else is shut out this round. 

Malenkai's and ThinMan's definitions are subject to ridicule, though
I wouldn't ridicule ThinMan's much, considering the votes. :-)

                Prev. score  This round  Total score  Defn written Defn voted
/dev/joe            15           0           15            -           -
snowgod              7           0            7            5           5
ThinMan              4           4            8            6           4
Guy Fawkes          12           0           12            3           3
breadbox            10           0           10            1           6
Malenkai             5           0            5            2           6

Guy Fawkes is removed from the playing order, and it is snowgod's turn
to be Brainiac.

/dev/joe
two-time former Brainiac

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:47:14 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Non-voting players, full (almost) version

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> A Pending player becomes Active when it becomes publically knowable that
> he has voted or made a proposal.

Proposal 1721, which is a resubmit of P 1704, changes this to "voted on
a proposal".  P 1704 failed quorum, but virtually everyone who voted on
it voted for it.  This would change it back.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:38:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Sunday brunch

[email-masked] wrote:

> I am creating a trinket called "The Frozen Mirror" valued at A$6 that is
> reputed (probably falsely) to freeze the expression on the face of 
> anyone who sneers into it and am offering it as a gift to Mohammed.

Are you actually giving this to Mohammed?

Malenkai
trinket harfer
hoping the bond-harfer nomination results are announced within 75 hrs :)

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:02:33 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  poll

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> 1.  Out of curiousity, would anyone be opposed to replacing all
> occurrances of "Organization" in the ruleset with "Racket"?
> 
> I find Racket to sound pleasantly disorganized.  It also takes up less
> space and takes less time to say (and for folks like me who move their
> lips when they read this can mean a significant savings.) (Okay, maybe
> it's insignificant...)  Also, since I'm writing a proposal that would make
> Organizations a bit more capitalistic, Racket seems appropriate.  (What it
> does is force Orgz to *pay* for their powers, such as the Bonus Vote and
> enforceable Dogma.)

> "Racket" - Sounds like we are dealing with stolen car parts. :)

Lestrade

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:15:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New PFBond Quotes on Acka-Finance

For those who may not be subscribed to Acka-Finance, I just want to let
you know that there are brand new quotes on nearly every PFBond over there.
If you don't feel like subscribing contact me for the latest and best quote
on your holdings!

IB
not sure if he should start a new newspaper

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:53:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Acrobot.

Tried to send this message to Mohammed privily, but my mail is bouncing...

I saw in the file formats an entry as to how to submit a proposal using
Acrobot, but I need a little guidance as to how to use it to vote on
proposal.

Thanks-
IB
working hard to make your PBPs valueable

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:08:12 -0800
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Subject: acka : Undead Harfer

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:33:37 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC eliminating the voting bonus

I oppose eliminating the points for voting "no" on a passed proposal. 
These points seem (to me) to be compensation for having the rules change
in ways one opposes.  They also add a ...  "chicken," maybe ....  dimesion
to voting - will enough players vote "yes"  on something you support that
you can risk voting "no" to get three points?  (I know this isn't looked
upon very favorably, and it's hardly worth it for three points, but I
think it makes things more interesting, even though I don't do it myself.)

Or maybe I'm just reactionary :)

- -mr cwm

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:43:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acrobot.

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Matt Miller wrote:
> Tried to send this message to Mohammed privily, but my mail is bouncing...
	No, *my* mail was bouncing.  =)  Odin is better now.
	Here is the current bot help file.  (I figure sending it to the 
list can't hurt.  I need to set up an Acrobot web page.  Hm.)
	To date, Acrobot has processed 404,541 bytes of mail and has been 
thanked 44 times.

Acrobot help
============

    I, Acrobot, am a program that checks my master's mail and
    takes commands from the players of Ackanomic.

    To send commands to me, send a message to [email-masked]
    with the word 'Acrobot' in the Subject line.  Your commands
    should be in the body of the message, not the Subject line.
    You don't need to identify yourself; I can tell from your email
    address who you are.

    Here is a description of the commands I know how to obey.

*** To vote on proposals, use the #vote command.  For example:

	#vote 5123 yes

    This command would cause me to record you as having voted YES
    on proposal 5123.

    You can abbreviate your votes to y n and p if you like (instead
    of yes, no, and present.)

    If you change your mind later and want to vote NO on P5123
    instead, just send in your new vote, using the #vote command
    again.  I'll discard the old vote and count your new one.

    Cluster voting is now supported.  This means you can vote on many
    proposals with a single #vote command.

	#vote 5128 y y y n y y p - y

    The above command would record you as having voted YES on
    proposals 5128, 5129, 5130, 5132, 5133, and 5136; NO on 5131,
    and PRESENT on 5134.  No vote would be recorded for 5135.

    Please be careful when using cluster voting.  I will send you
    an itemized list of all the votes I record for you, but it's up
    to you to check it and make sure no mistakes were made.

*** To get a list of all the proposals currently up for vote, use
    the #current command:

	#current

    The list includes the title of each proposal and shows your vote
    next to each proposal you have already voted on.

*** To submit a proposal, use the #submit command.  Here's an
    example:

	#submit proposal Make Waves Haiku
	Make a new rule that reads:
	"Waves are entities.
	They carry seasick penguins
	To tropical isles."
	#end proposal

    The #end proposal command is only necessary if you have a
    "signature" added to all your mail, and you don't want the
    signature to be part of the proposal.  You should also use
    #end proposal if you want to submit a proposal and also
    include other commands in your message.

*** To retract a proposal you submitted, use the #retract
    command.

	#retract proposal 5210

    You still have to make a public announcement of your retraction
    in order for it to take effect legally!  See Rule 330
    ("Retractions").

*** To retrieve information, use the #read command.  There are
    several variations on this one.  The most important one is
    "#read proposals".  It's used like this:

	#read proposals 5219 5220 5221 5222

    You can abbreviate "p" for "proposals".

    You can use "#read index" to get a list of all files available
    for all the world to see.  You can use "#read files" to read any
    of those files.

    Lastly, there's the "#read ackadollar" command.

*** To make me feel all nice and warm inside, use the #thanks
    command.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:42:21 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: (None Yet)

To:   Ackanomians
From: mr cwm, member of (None Yet)

The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
aboard!

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 Ludwig wrote:

>Good Day Mate
>I have decided to apply to the (None Yet) party because if I am accepted, I will 
>have been accepted.  If I would have been accepted without writing this message, 
>it never actually got sent.  I am glad to be or not to be part of the (None Yet) 
>party as the case may or may not be.
>Ludwig
>
>P.S.  Any Message containing the phrase "Good Day Mate" is to be considered to 
>be spoken with an Australian Accent to the World.  It is not to be ignored, but 
>this last sentence is.
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:58:30 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Sunday brunch

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Malenkai wrote:

>
>The Arts and Antiquities community is officially sneering at all 
>trinkets worth less than A$5.
>

A sneering Arts and Antiquities Community is pretty much irresistable.  I
hereby create 200 trinkets, each worth A$4, named Nonentity 1, Nonentity
2, etc., through Nonentity 200.  They're not very big, they don't weigh
much, and they're invisible, which limits the detail of my description.
The Arts and Antiquities Community may sneer, but that only causes me to
laugh, "Ha-ha, cheap trinkets!"

I carry all my Nonentities to the Museum, to which I donate Nonentity 137.
I carry Nonentities 1-136 and 138-200 to the Treasury, where I exchange
them for a total of A$796, which destroys them and upsets the Arts and
Antiquities Communities, causing me to laugh again, "Ha-ha, temporary
trinkets!"

I take my A$796 and go home.  Laughing.

- -mr cwm :)

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:21:21 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Runestone 17

I am offering fnord Runestone Fragment 3 for Runestone Fragment 17.

	Strider

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:58:12 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acrobot.

Mohammed spake thusly
> 
> 	To date, Acrobot has processed 404,541 bytes of mail and has been 
> thanked 44 times.

Do you have counts on things like how many mail messages it has processed,
votes it has counted, etc.?  Not a necessity, mind you, but I'm a big fan
of useless statistics and such.

> Acrobot help
> 
> *** To get a list of all the proposals currently up for vote, use
>     the #current command:
> 
> 	#current
> 
>     The list includes the title of each proposal and shows your vote
>     next to each proposal you have already voted on.

Is there any way you can also list either the date it was submitted
or the date that voting ends on the #current listing?  I knew I still
hadn't voted on the failed-quorum proposals, but I didn't know they'd
be tallied so soon, or I would have voted for them when I realized
I hadn't yet.  I tend to vote in batches, mainly due to work and free
time and so may miss a vote here or there when its deadline has passed.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:38:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Postmasterness (was "(none yet)")

mr cwm wrote:
> The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
> Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
> aboard!

Just so you know, Ludwig's mail has been bouncing intermittently lately.
It bounces on "host unknown", which means that the net is becoming
fragmented enough that I can't reach any of interserv.com's domain name
servers at the time mail is being sent from the list.  There have been two
separate instances in the last two days when his mail was bouncing; during
two periods which overlapped with those, but didn't coincide entirely,
mail to an observer on msn.com was bouncing similarly.  Also a few pieces
of mail to BuzzBee (on prodigy.com) bounced similarly.

Mail to Red Barn is still bouncing user unknown; looks like he's gone for
good -- it's been two weeks now, and unless somebody has been in contact
with and has some reason to expect him to be back, I will soon use the
postmaster's privilege to remove him from the game.  I can't figure out
Pascal's (former player; left the lists for a while but rejoined as an
observer) mail; about half of it bounces user unknown, the other half does
not bounce.

/dev/joe
Postmaster

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:32:03 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  Possible addon to Acrobot?

Would it be feasable to add the voring deadline to 
#submit in Acrobot.

Sigh.  I get to play with MS Office 97 and get it 
 installed. . .  today. . . hopefully.

Jammer
Aka
John-Martin Lotz
who is not having fun
[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:04:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bot.

> Do you have counts on things like how many mail messages it has processed,
> votes it has counted, etc.?  Not a necessity, mind you, but I'm a big fan
> of useless statistics and such.
	It has processed 320 messages.  (I have a record of *all* of them.)

> Is there any way you can also list either the date it was submitted
> or the date that voting ends on the #current listing?
	Er, because of Moratoria and such, it's difficult for the bot to keep 
track of when each proposal will be finalized.  I generally do that part 
by hand.  However, the bot should be able to put the day-of-week on which 
each proposal was submitted. I'll take a look at it.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:05:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Bot

> Would it be feasable to add the voring deadline to 
> #submit in Acrobot.
	What?

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:12:05 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Undead Harfer

According to the results below I am appointing Strider as the Bond Harfer

Niccolo Flychuck
President

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:15:26 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: (None Yet)

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, mr cwm wrote:

> To:   Ackanomians
> From: mr cwm, member of (None Yet)
> 
> The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
> Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
> aboard!
> 

The current (None Yet) Swinger needs to resing before (None Yet) can
appoint Ludwig to that Office.

Niccolo Flychuck
who needed to post at least as one of eir Offices.

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:18:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

> You need to do something with the existing party swingers in party chess.
	Oh yeah.  :o)

> So what I'm saying is you either need to fix Rule 726 section III A 8
> or delete a bunch of stuff about party swingers.  I think it's more in the
> theme of this proposal to get rid of party swingers, but I don't know how
> well this will go over.
	Niccolo Flychuck:  you invented Swingers.  What do you think?
	If we mess with Party Hall a lot of things are going to have to 
be changed or dumped.  I wouldn't mind dumping Party Hall, although we'll 
have to find some other excuse to have the gaoler write bad 8-line poems.

	An idea I'm also kicking around and want to put in words:  
stocks.  An organization can buy stocks for really cheap, and then sell 
them at a markup.  Anyone who has a controlling interest in the stocks 
gets control of the organization's actions.
	Only calling them "stocks" is too easy, so I'll call them 
Powerballs.  For no real reason.

- ---
[Powerballs]

An Organization may buy 13 Powerballs for A$1.  At the time of their 
creation, Powerballs are stamped with the name of the Organization that 
bought them.  Should the Organization later change its name, all 
Powerballs with the old name stamped into them automatically change to 
show the new name.

Powerballs are tradeable entities.  Someone who owns a Powerball may 
destroy it, as an action.

Anyone who owns seven or more Powerballs stamped with the name of an
Organization may, as an action, cause that Organization to attempt any
action.  It is a Crime to cause an Organization to commit a Crime in this
way.
- ---

This would be coupled with something like:

- ---
A player attempts an action by sending a public message announcing the
action.  If the message does not contain enough information to define
unambiguously what action the player is attempting, the attempt fails. 
Otherwise, the attempt succeeds if and only if the rules specify that such
an action is permissible.
- ---

so that "anyone" and "someone" in the Powerballs rule could refer to 
either players or organizations.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:21:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

> [1.  Forming an Organization]
> I do not like this use of brackets for section headings.
	Whatever pleases you.  I'll go change them.

> I will vote against it if this provision remains.  There is something
> to be said for grandfathering.  Life isn't fair :)
	As you wish.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:26:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

> > [3.  Organization Size]
> > 
> > The Size of an Organization is the number of members it has.  Terms
> > such as 'larger' and 'smallest', when applied to Organizations, refer
> larger/smaller    largest/smallest
	I figured that, rather than try and make a list of every 
size-related term that might come up, I'd just say "such as" and give 
some examples... and let game custom sort it out.

> > [4.  Organization Similarity]
> I don't think this section is an improvement on the existing language. I
> had to read it twice just to figure it out. 
	Okay, I'll change it back.  Or at least change it.  I still think 
the current mathematical language is a little esoteric.
	The language I wrote has the advantage of not involving 
variables, whatever those are.  =)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:31:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: poll

> I'd like to always be able to leave an org, despite its internal rules.
	This seems to be the concensus.  I'll probably make it something 
like:

No entity may become a member of an Organization without expressing its
desire to do so.  Any member of an Organization may leave the Organization
at any time.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:25:55 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Undead Harfer

Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> According to the results below I am appointing Strider as the Bond Harfer
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> President
Financial Power!! BWAHAHAHAHA!

Strider

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:37:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

> >an Army start to bury their most prized possessions, duck.]  Being a
> >member of an Army that has fired its cannon is a Crime.
> 
> This is fun.  I really like it.  But could I escape criminal proceeding by
> leaving the organization.  Perhaps it would be best to say that "It is a
> crime to be a member of an organization when its cannon is fired"
	It would be better to say that; I agree.  And I'll change it...
	The wording I had above doesn't let anyone off the hook, I don't 
think, but it does mean that even people who joined *after* the cannon 
was fired are guilty!

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:38:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Sunday brunch

> I am creating a trinket called "The Frozen Mirror" valued at A$6 that is
> reputed (probably falsely) to freeze the expression on the face of anyone who
> sneers into it and am offering it as a gift to Mohammed.
	Thank you!

- --Mohammed
=)  |  (=

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:55:35 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pre-RFC org reorg

This is going to be a bit lengthy.

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> > You need to do something with the existing party swingers in party chess.
> 	Oh yeah.  :o)
> 
> > So what I'm saying is you either need to fix Rule 726 section III A 8
> > or delete a bunch of stuff about party swingers.  I think it's more in the
> > theme of this proposal to get rid of party swingers, but I don't know how
> > well this will go over.
> 	Niccolo Flychuck:  you invented Swingers.  What do you think?
> 	If we mess with Party Hall a lot of things are going to have to 
> be changed or dumped.  I wouldn't mind dumping Party Hall, although we'll 
> have to find some other excuse to have the gaoler write bad 8-line poems.

1. I'm for keeping a bit of tradition. I don't think existing Parties
   should be dissolved as part of this proposal. The worst I would expect
   of this is to to give them sort of a time limit to "buy" their right
   to remain a Party. I would oppose that as well, but I see it as a
   lesser evil.

2. /dev/joe is correct in pointing out the bug in R726. Parties should be
   able to adopt Capital Swingers as eir Party Swingers, whether or not
   the Party members wish to reimburse the player for eir earlier expense
   should be left up to them.  I am currently writing this ammendment,
   however it should not be construed as support of the RFCd clause under
   discussion.

3. Free Party Swingers are one of the incentives to forming a Party. 
   While that was not their original intent, this is the way it stands
   now, and I think this is a Good Thing, I'd like to keep it that way.
   I don't know how many people have noticed but we have a couple of
   players(and one observer I know of) who joined becuase of eir interest
   in Party Chess.

4. Joint Assembly passed recently. I was thinking of appending text to 
   Party Hall that would exclude by default Capital Swinger from 
   Joint Assemblies, unless explicitly stated otherwise. rfc.

5. The current Organization rule does not specify that members need
   to be players. As far as generic Organizations I'd prefer tha they
   would restricted to players. I'd like to keep language that would
   allow Organization whose members are not necessarily players. 
   While Originally I was thinking of Organization or even Institutions
   as members, I suppose other some other classes of entities could do 
   as well, as long as it makes some sense, or is completely Harfy.
   These would probably only become useful with a larger nomic, as this
   idea has been discussed recently at length, and is no longer so far
   fetched, there is no reason to kill this concept.
   In a way, you generic Organization are a smaller model of my
   original intent here. I was thinking that with the diversification
   of Organizations, a super Organization might form with a Party as 
   its political arm, and a Church as its financial ar, and a cross-
   nomic Organization as its diplomatic arm, or other combinations 
   (perhaps more than one of some of those types).
   The original Organization/Institutions frameword was not strong
   enough to support this. It has evolved to something that is strong
   enough.

6. More on keeping existing Organization - you describe in your proposal
   two kinds of Organizations. Rule - empowered and player empowered, and
   then you  insist on eliminating the distinction by redfining the
   currently rule empowered Organizations in terms of player empowered
   Organizations.
   Keep the distinctions. If someone wants to start a generic
   Organization - let them. Let them build up their membership, and
   with it their options for power. But also let the rule empowered
   Organizations be just that, empowered by other rules, with no 
   need for those restrictions. If I can find two other players who
   want to form a Party with me, or three followers for a Church, 
   why should I not enjoy the privileges of those Organizations.
   If someone has no clear intent as to the kind of Organization
   they want to create, fine, let them build up to it.
   You can balance another way. Allow an existing Organization to
   buy the various powers, for more than what it would cost
   a generic Organization.
   This gives different advantages and disadvantages to each and 
   promotes diversity.

   I think this would be a great enhancement to the current Organizations
   Institutions structure, if it is indeed an enhancement, arrived at
   by evolution rather than by revolution.

> 
> 	An idea I'm also kicking around and want to put in words:  
> stocks.  An organization can buy stocks for really cheap, and then sell 
> them at a markup.  Anyone who has a controlling interest in the stocks 
> gets control of the organization's actions.
> 	Only calling them "stocks" is too easy, so I'll call them 
> Powerballs.  For no real reason.

Ever played Conspiracy?

Look it up, if you can't find it, I'll summarize the rules for you. Might
provide some interesting insights.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:47:28 -0600
From: "Sachin H. Jain, Research Coordinator" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: On vacation

I'll be on vacation until March 2nd.  I've actually been so since
about two weeks ago, but I suppose it's too late now.  This is the only
chance I'll get, most likely, to read my mail 'til I get back, so...
well, whatever.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:12:35 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Postmasterness (was "(none yet)")

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Mail to Red Barn is still bouncing user unknown; looks like he's gone for
> good -- it's been two weeks now, and unless somebody has been in contact
> with and has some reason to expect him to be back, I will soon use the
> postmaster's privilege to remove him from the game. 

Didn't Red Barn have an observer e-mail address that was not bouncing?
If so,  I will attempt to contact him on that, if anyone knows it.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:16:20 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Possible addon to Acrobot? 

>Would it be feasable to add the voring deadline to
>#submit in Acrobot.

I think it qould be neat if acrobot had a #ballot command, similar to
#current that you issue you an already formatted voting baallot for all
current proposals.

For example

#vote 1500     (title goes here)
#vote 1501     (title goes here)
#vot1 1502     (title goes here)

so all we had to do was fill in the blanks to vote.

snowgod
just dreaming

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:19:23 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: (None Yet) 

>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, mr cwm wrote:
>
>> To:   Ackanomians
>> From: mr cwm, member of (None Yet)
>>
>> The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
>> Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
>> aboard!

>The current (None Yet) Swinger needs to resing before (None Yet) can
>appoint Ludwig to that Office.
>
>Niccolo Flychuck
>who needed to post at least as one of eir Offices.

I am resigning from the office of Swinger pending Ludwigs confirmation of
this message.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:21:49 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC eliminating the voting bonus

I agree thoroughly with mr cwm.  It adds flavor.
Ludwig

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, mr cwm <[email-masked]> wrote:
>I oppose eliminating the points for voting "no" on a passed proposal. 
>These points seem (to me) to be compensation for having the rules change
>in ways one opposes.  They also add a ...  "chicken," maybe ....  dimesion
>to voting - will enough players vote "yes"  on something you support that
>you can risk voting "no" to get three points?  (I know this isn't looked
>upon very favorably, and it's hardly worth it for three points, but I
>think it makes things more interesting, even though I don't do it myself.)
>
>Or maybe I'm just reactionary :)
>
>-mr cwm
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:23:03 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka:  Pre-RFC  org reorg

I agree with the general ideas of this proposal.  The wording you have admitted 
needs a little work, but the ideas are sound.
Ludwig

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:22:58 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Postmasterness (was "(none yet)")

Sorry, don't know what I can do...
Ludwig

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]> 
wrote:
>mr cwm wrote:
>> The members of (None Yet), who have been polled, are happy to accept
>> Ludwig as a member, and, furthermore, to appoint him as Swinger.  Welcome
>> aboard!
>
>Just so you know, Ludwig's mail has been bouncing intermittently lately.
>It bounces on "host unknown", which means that the net is becoming
>fragmented enough that I can't reach any of interserv.com's domain name
>servers at the time mail is being sent from the list.  There have been two
>separate instances in the last two days when his mail was bouncing; during
>two periods which overlapped with those, but didn't coincide entirely,
>mail to an observer on msn.com was bouncing similarly.  Also a few pieces
>of mail to BuzzBee (on prodigy.com) bounced similarly.
>
>Mail to Red Barn is still bouncing user unknown; looks like he's gone for
>good -- it's been two weeks now, and unless somebody has been in contact
>with and has some reason to expect him to be back, I will soon use the
>postmaster's privilege to remove him from the game.  I can't figure out
>Pascal's (former player; left the lists for a while but rejoined as an
>observer) mail; about half of it bounces user unknown, the other half does
>not bounce.
>
>/dev/joe
>Postmaster
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:23:25 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Sunday brunch

COOL!
Ludwig

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, mr cwm <[email-masked]> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Malenkai wrote:
>
>>
>>The Arts and Antiquities community is officially sneering at all 
>>trinkets worth less than A$5.
>>
>
>A sneering Arts and Antiquities Community is pretty much irresistable.  I
>hereby create 200 trinkets, each worth A$4, named Nonentity 1, Nonentity
>2, etc., through Nonentity 200.  They're not very big, they don't weigh
>much, and they're invisible, which limits the detail of my description.
>The Arts and Antiquities Community may sneer, but that only causes me to
>laugh, "Ha-ha, cheap trinkets!"
>
>I carry all my Nonentities to the Museum, to which I donate Nonentity 137.
>I carry Nonentities 1-136 and 138-200 to the Treasury, where I exchange
>them for a total of A$796, which destroys them and upsets the Arts and
>Antiquities Communities, causing me to laugh again, "Ha-ha, temporary
>trinkets!"
>
>I take my A$796 and go home.  Laughing.
>
>-mr cwm :)
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:00:03 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Flights and Fancies

I fly up/down to the Tower of Bandwidth, watching the black and white
wool flicker back and forth as I zoom past proposals and discussions.
I alight at the apex of the towerm and sit and contemplate my No Tea.

While it is a lovely thing, I think it is a bit too stringy and not
tubular enough for my tastes.  I would return it to the Treasury,
but I am sure tmy peers in the Arts and Antiques community would sneer
mightily at me.  Instead, I decide to use them as part of a treasure.
But, although the No Tea is nice, it alone should not make up
the treasure alone.  

I hereby create a trinket, called The Sacred Chao.  It is a silver
disk, approximately 5 inches across, and 1/4 inch deep.  On one side
appears a yin-yang like symbol, with a pentagon on the left side and
a golden apple on the right.  It appears that something is inscribed
on the apple, but it is not quite clear.  This trinket has a value
of A$100.

fnord -100 trinket creation

fnord

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:41:21 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hall of Elders

Guy Fawkes received 10 Hall of Elder Nominations.  I count 15 active 
players currently.

Guy Fawkes Day is Sept 5th.  His possessions can
still be found on my undead page: http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackaud.htm

The Historian should write a biography.

The enshrinement of an Elder, oddly enough, is not a public gathering.

We wish Guy the best.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:34:32 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A Burying I Will Go

 I am hereby creating a treasure of my No Tea, my The Sacred Chao, and
5 PFfnord (which still have value as long as those who don't write
proposals can still get points, cause I tend to go with the wrong
side pretty regularly, even though not intentionally).

I am burying the treasure never to be found again.  Unless, of course,
someone finds it.  I certainly wouldn't let anyone see the
secret treasure map I wrote, showing me where it was, because that
would give it away.  After all, if I show everyone the treasure map

843873A787E94552EF6
86DB984334778752937
867EQ83788684748694
68732635684E7746843
7A6E78B54276789445E
4653464A87465389484
8439673B2A464876263

they'll all be able to figre it out.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:49:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: On vacation 

I am putting my self on vacation until Monday Feb 17 at 6:00 pm EST.

I will be running a ftf Diplomacy tournament at a gaming convention this
weekend.  Have a great 3 day weekend, everyone

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