Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #513
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Ackanomic Digest       Monday, February 10 1997       Volume 01 : Number 513

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:04:33 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Vacation

breadbox spake thusly
> 
> According to my calculations, it has now been 48 hours since my
> vacation started, so I am hereby taking myself off of vacation.

And the same goes for me.  I hereby return from exile..., er 
vacation.

> In the meantime - I would like to suggest to Niccolo Flychuck and
> fnord that we go after the Courthouse at the earliest opportunity.

Ready when you are my winged brethren!

fnord

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 01:00:40 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
>
> The will of Guy (the non-Trinkets will need to be acked):
> 

> I am giving my formal Prosthetic Forehead and the Prosthetic Forehead
>   presented to me by snowgod during his second presidential campaign to
>   Narf and Lestrade, respectively, as tokens from their former mentor.
>
> Fare thee well,
> Robert Shimmin (aka Guy Fawkes)
> Acka's only two-headed Undead

Alas, poor Guy Fawkes! I knew him; a fellow of infinite jest, of most
excellent fancy.

I am using A$15 to create a marble pedestal 1.5 meters high. On the base
is inscribed "Guy Fawkes". I place it in my office, at the top of my
lighthouse. Upon the pedestal, I place the Prosthetic Forehead given to
me by Guy Fawkes: 

 This one tall and made of felt, with a feather sticking out of it in
     a very dandy way. Attached to the forehead (with elmer's glue) are
some bright      green
     felt letters spelling out the following poem: 

     "All hail th'illustrious god of snow Who 'pon us suction cups
bestowed, For he who
     paid for days of frink Is still a leader grand, I think! 

     (And yea, Guy Fawkes is quite a flake; Of syntax mockery he doth
make, And for the
     sake of finding rhyme, Use structure from a prior time." 

- - A$15

Lestrade
Feeling a little low

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 01:28:45 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Vacation

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> > Well, it looks like we have a bit of a mess, but I don't think we're
> > actually crashed. If nothing else, the Speed rule should give the
> > Speaker three days of leeway in regards to appointing Officers and
> > Acting Officers.
> 
> That is the way we've been doing it.  I think we are ok, mabye :)
> 
> Malenkai

It doesn't look so bad looking at R 255:

"The duties of any offices held by the player shall be performed by the
Speaker or someone appointed by the Speaker, unless some other rule
provides for an Acting Officer or some other assignment (including
possible non-assignment) of these duties."

The Speaker looks as though he has the option to not assign
replacements.

Lestrade

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:40:34 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets 

>I would also like to use this opportunity to nominate Guy Fawkes for the
>Hall of Elders.
>
>Niccolo Flychuck

I second the nomination (and gratefully accept my hat).

Robert Sevin

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:41:26 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Back from vacation 

I hereby return from vacation.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 02:19:42 -6:00
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets

>
> I am giving my entire collection of PFBonds and Bond Promissories, except 
>   for the PFGuy, to Techno.  He needs some.

I ack this.  Farewell GF.

Techno

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:24:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Vacation

Niccolo Flychuck:

>> In the meantime - I would like to suggest to Niccolo Flychuck and
>> fnord that we go after the Courthouse at the earliest opportunity.
>> 
>> 
> I am ready when you are.

fnord:

>> In the meantime - I would like to suggest to Niccolo Flychuck and
>> fnord that we go after the Courthouse at the earliest opportunity.
> 
> Ready when you are my winged brethren!

fnord, Niccolo Flychuck, and myself are reattaching the Ackanomic
Courthouse.

Narf: I didn't mean to exclude you when I made my suggestion.
Unfortunately, we need groups of three to take full advantage of our
winged players. If snowgod ever comes back from vacation, then we'd
only need one more winged player to be able to work in parallel.
Anyone?

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 02:01:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearing 106

>> Proposal 1695 passed, calling a hearing on the future of PFbonds.
> 
> The choices are:
> 
> "Bonds are worth the work, and I'm willing to do that work."
> "Bonds are cool, but they just aren't worth the effort."

What is the status of this, now that Guy Fawkes is leaving the game?
Were there any other volunteers? Malenkai, do you still encourage
people to vote in favor of keeping bonds?

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 04:07:41 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearing 106

breadbox wrote:
> >> Proposal 1695 passed, calling a hearing on the future of PFbonds.
> > 
> > The choices are:
> > 
> > "Bonds are worth the work, and I'm willing to do that work."
> > "Bonds are cool, but they just aren't worth the effort."
> 
> What is the status of this, now that Guy Fawkes is leaving the game?
> Were there any other volunteers? Malenkai, do you still encourage
> people to vote in favor of keeping bonds?

I have written a program to harf the bonds directly from the pointlog.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 08:51:37 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearing 106

Brian Raiter wrote:

> What is the status of this, now that Guy Fawkes is leaving the game?
> Were there any other volunteers? Malenkai, do you still encourage
> people to vote in favor of keeping bonds?

I believe /dev/joe will be able to do it.  I would vote based on
whether or not you actually want bonds in the game, and forget the
work aspect.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 08:58:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> >
> > I am giving my entire collection of PFBonds and Bond Promissories, except
> >   for the PFGuy, to Techno.  He needs some.
> 
> I ack this.  Farewell GF.

Should this be construed as a return from vacation?

Malenkai
making a good faith attempt to track the game state

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 09:04:58 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Vacations

The following players are still on vacation as a result of P 1700.  By
the rules, actions attempted during this time did not happen:

Calvin N Hobbes
Jammer
Mohammed
mr cwm
Red Barn (is his mail still bouncing?)
Techno ?

A simple ack of 

I return from vacation

will clear this up.  Also, snowgod is on ice from his other vacation.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 07:16:29 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  Vacation

I am returning from vacation

Jammer
AKA
John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 10:56:33 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Game State

Salutations!

	I just sent my CFJ off to Malenkai, so it'll show up later.  I thought
I'd stick my A$0.02 in.  I personally feel that the use of the OMCL to
get the Runestone Fragments was a cheap (though effective) way to play
the game.  I would like to see that play invalidated, and the previous
game state restored.  With the head start that the Union has, there's no
reason to try and force anything along.  Let's just try to acquire the
Fragments as and when they become available, eh?

	Regards,
		Strider

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 11:11:16 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:The Machine that Goes "Ping"

Salutations!

	As I entered my house the other day, I saw before me two ghostly
images.  It was the Machines the go Ping!  Both of them had somehow
found their ways to my tower.  As I stood entranced, they overlapped,
and finally merged. I felt awed to be the only witness to the
reunification of the game threads.  When the merger was complete, there
was a blinding flash of light, and the machine floated before me in all
of its harf.  it said "IFF today ** * ****** ********* ** ****** **** **
*** ** ***** ****, THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*.

I know what it meant.  Come, students, gaze upon the machine and learn. 
My house is open to any who wish to study.  

		Strider, Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 11:14:00 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Sunday Brunch

Salutations!!

	I, Strider, am  attending brunch with Mohammed, where I will attempt to
commit cholesterolacide!  :)

		Strider

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:40:17 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka:  Sunday brunch

>
>
>The following players are cordially invited to a casual Sunday brunch at
>my home tomorrow:  my esteemed fellow Scientist Malenkai, fnord, Guy
>Fawkes, Jammer, Swann, and the player whose email address begins with
>culley (sorry S., i've a bad memory and no time to check the web page.)
>
>If you don't like omelettes, or are lactose intolerant, or are 
>cholestrolophobic, or are a vegetarian, please let me know in advance and 
>I'll be happy to prepare something special for you.
>
I hereby go to Mohammed's house.

Swann

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:44:12 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets

>
>
>
>We shall all regret it, and hope to see  you rejoin Ackanomic in some
>future time, or perhaps pay us a visit, or drop us an e-line.
>
>I thank you for the trinkets, and for all the Party Chess commentary.
>
>I would also like to use this opportunity to nominate Guy Fawkes for the
>Hall of Elders.
>
>Niccolo Flychuck

I'll ditto the nomination

Swann

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:50:15 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: acka : proposals 1701-170*6*

>
>
>P1705 was retracted.
>
>On P1706, Swann loses 5 points and is put on vacation, leaving us with
>just 6 active players, one of whom has already announced that he is
>leaving the game soon.  Not good.
>

Just a question from a newbie who's still feeling around this game:

This vactioning/quorum stuff was supposed to _prevent_ a crisis, right?

Swann
just asking

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:07:06 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 346 Verdict

CFJ 346 has been judged INVALID

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 346
  Subject: Inconsistent
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Strider (selected Feb 06, 1997, 23:23h EST)
Judgement: INVALID

Statement:

Malenkai did not accept the trade quoted below, and was the victim of
an Orbital Mind Control Laser.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

The following offer was offer to Malenkai, who never accepted
it.  However, the OMCL transferred the entities anyway.  The ftp
archives will verify that Malenkai never accepted this offer.

A verdict of FALSE should quote Malenkai's acceptance, as a matter of
record, if such a verdict is rendered.

> I hereby offer Malenkai the Trinket I received in the Castle on a Cloud
> (one of the Little Bags O' Chips), in exchange for all the Trinkets e owns
> whose names contain two consecutive 'k's *and* Malenkai's Scroll of
> Crumble.

Strider's Reasoning:

The problem with this CFJ, and the reason it is invalid, is that the events
it refers to did not happen.  I refer to Rule 255, which reads, in part,
"The only thing a player on vacation may legally do is take himself off 
vacation."  I also refer to Rule 101, which reads, in part, "All players
must always abide by all the rules then in effect,"

        As Mohammed was on vacation at the time this "trade" was offered, it
should have no effect on the game state of Ackanomic.  Guy Fawkes use of
the OMCL also had no effect, as there was no trade for it to affect.

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:10:10 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: acka : proposals 1701-170*6*

Swann wrote:
> >On P1706, Swann loses 5 points and is put on vacation, leaving us with
> >just 6 active players, one of whom has already announced that he is
> >leaving the game soon.  Not good.
> 
> Just a question from a newbie who's still feeling around this game:
> 
> This vactioning/quorum stuff was supposed to _prevent_ a crisis, right?

Yes.  The way it was *supposed* to work, after the first proposal
failed due to quorum, the players put on vacation would reduce the
quorum requirement so that other proposals behind that one in the
queue would meet quorum.  Unfortunately quorum needs to be defined
based on the player states when the results are posted, rather than
when the voting period ends, in order to make it work the way it was
originally intended.  We would still end up with a bunch of players on
vacation and a few players having to take all the jobs, though, even
if it worked correctly; this can sometimes be helpful, if some player
who didn't vote also isn't doing their jobs for their offices.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:14:08 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : proposals 1701-170*6*

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Steven A. Swiniarski wrote:

> 
> 
> >
> >
> >P1705 was retracted.
> >
> >On P1706, Swann loses 5 points and is put on vacation, leaving us with
> >just 6 active players, one of whom has already announced that he is
> >leaving the game soon.  Not good.
> >
> 
> Just a question from a newbie who'sstill feeling around this game:
> 
> This vactioning/quorum stuff was supposed to _prevent_ a crisis, right?
> 
> Swann
> just asking
>
Yes, but since that time there were many other changes in the rules. At
that time there were fewer Offices, the Senate had fewer roles, and the
Senate role specificed that it would only be in session when there are 10
or more players.
The rule made a lot of sense back then. In fact, it makes a lot of sense
to me right now.
The rule was intended as a deterent, and also to eliminate from the Active
player list chronic abstainers that  would otherwise cause Quorum to fail.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:15:10 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 346 Appeal

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> CFJ 346 has been judged INVALID

I am appointing Niccolo Flychuck justice so that I am appeal this.

I will add the following reasoning:

R 211 describes when a CFJ should be judged as Invalid.  The statement
of this CFJ falls into none of those categories.  It is a clear
single statement that can be answered true or false.  It is not
substantially similar to another CFJ or its negative from the last
week, nor is it similar to a paradox win CFJ judged true in the past.

As to the facts, the events in question occured in the following
order, which can be verified by the ftp archive.

Mohammed offered a trade
Guy Fawkes used the OMCL on that trade
Proposal 1700 failed, putting Mohammed on vacation

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:44:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacations

> The following players are still on vacation as a result of P 1700.
> Mohammed
	I thought I had returned.

	I return from vacation.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:48:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: my regrets

> I am giving the Orbital Mind Control Laser to Mohammed.  Have fun!  
	I accept this.

- --Mohammed

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