Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #491
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Ackanomic Digest      Thursday, January 30 1997      Volume 01 : Number 491

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:35 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1637 accepted (Changing Changing Player Names)

Proposal 1637
Changing Changing Player Names
ThinMan

Votes cast by active players:  13 / 18 = 72.222222%
Yes:  11    No:  2     Present:  1   ...Proposal accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	Habeous Corpus
	/dev/joe
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	fnord
	ThinMan
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:
	Lestrade
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:
	breadbox

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:35 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1638 accepted (Removing the nasty side effects of R 1315)

Proposal 1638
Removing the nasty side effects of R 1315
Malenkai

Votes cast by active players:  13 / 18 = 72.222222%
Yes:  12    No:  1     Present:  1   ...Proposal accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	fnord
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed
	Malenkai
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:
	Habeous Corpus

PRESENT votes:
	Lestrade

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:34 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1636 accepted (Removing Dangerous Redundancy Dangerous Redundancy)

Proposal 1636
Removing Dangerous Redundancy Dangerous Redundancy
ThinMan

Votes cast by active players:  13 / 18 = 72.222222%
Yes:  13    No:  1     Present:  1   ...Proposal accepted.

YES votes:
	Habeous Corpus
	/dev/joe
	Red Barn
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	fnord
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed
	Malenkai
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:
	mr cwm

PRESENT votes:
	Lestrade

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:36 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1645 rejected (Too Many Hunters)

Proposal 1645
Too Many Hunters
Red Barn

Votes cast by active players:  11 / 18 = 61.111111%
Yes:  1    No:  10     Present:  0   ...Proposal rejected.

YES votes:
	Calvin N Hobbes

NO votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Strider
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	Lestrade
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	fnord
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann
	Habeous Corpus

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:36 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1644 rejected (Ridiculous!)

Proposal 1644
Ridiculous!
Red Barn

Votes cast by active players:  10 / 18 = 55.555556%
Yes:  1    No:  9     Present:  0   ...Proposal rejected.

YES votes:
	Guy Fawkes

NO votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	ThinMan
	Lestrade
	Mohammed
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	fnord
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	breadbox
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann
	Habeous Corpus

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:35 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1640 accepted (Duel with Seconds)

Proposal 1640
Duel with Seconds
Niccolo Flychuck

Votes cast by active players:  12 / 18 = 66.666667%
Yes:  11    No:  1     Present:  1   ...Proposal accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	fnord
	ThinMan
	Lestrade
	Guy Fawkes
	Malenkai
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:
	Mohammed

PRESENT votes:
	breadbox

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann
	Habeous Corpus

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:37 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1647 rejected (snowgod's Cure)

Proposal 1647
snowgod's Cure
snowgod

Votes cast by active players:  11 / 18 = 61.111111%
Yes:  6    No:  5     Present:  0   ...Proposal rejected.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	Guy Fawkes
	Malenkai

NO votes:
	/dev/joe
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	Lestrade
	Mohammed

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	fnord
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann
	Habeous Corpus

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:34 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1633 accepted (Evil Twins)

Proposal 1633
Evil Twins
Calvin N Hobbes

Votes cast by active players:  13 / 18 = 72.222222%
Yes:  9    No:  4     Present:  1   ...Proposal accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	Habeous Corpus
	Lestrade
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Strider
	ThinMan
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed

NO votes:
	/dev/joe
	Red Barn
	fnord
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:
	breadbox

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:36 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1646 rejected (Unambiguizing ambiguities)

Proposal 1646
Unambiguizing ambiguities
Habeous Corpus

Votes cast by active players:  11 / 18 = 61.111111%
Yes:  5    No:  6     Present:  0   ...Proposal rejected.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Strider
	Lestrade

NO votes:
	Calvin N Hobbes
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	Guy Fawkes
	Mohammed
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	fnord
	Robert Sevin
	snowgod
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann
	Habeous Corpus

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:14:34 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1632 rejected (Parents, Children, the Bees and the Gumball)

Proposal 1632
Parents, Children, the Bees and the Gumball
Calvin N Hobbes

Votes cast by active players:  14 / 18 = 77.777778%
Yes:  4    No:  10     Present:  1   ...Proposal rejected.

YES votes:
	Habeous Corpus
	Calvin N Hobbes
	snowgod
	Guy Fawkes

NO votes:
	mr cwm
	/dev/joe
	Lestrade
	Red Barn
	Strider
	fnord
	ThinMan
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Mohammed
	Malenkai

PRESENT votes:
	breadbox

Active players who did not vote:
	Robert Sevin
	Bascule
	Techno
	Swann

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:35:57 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Time Check

Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> >The Machine rule should be re-written so that guesses work like
> >Magic letters - when there are multiple guesses at the same time,
> >the first one is the one the scholar receives first.
> 
> Good idea, I'll incorporate that.  Anyone have any other timing
> issues that should be addressed?

Why would special language be needed for the machine?  It is my 
understanding that the solution will solve the problem in general --
it will be derterminable with finality whether message A precedes 
message B.  According to the current language in the machine rule,
it is a crime to send message B (the second guess) in that case, so
it was never really sent (by R 713), and hence not a guess, at all.

I guess the point is that I believe the general solution discussed
will solve all the current and specific cases in the rules.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:47:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Recently Passed Proposals

The bot did not attach the text of passed proposals to the mailouts this 
time around, so if you want to see those proposals one more time I 
suggest bouncing this message back to the acrobot.

       ***** Be Sure Not to bounce this to the list again!  *****

#read proposals 1633 1635 1636 1637 1638 1640 1641

- --Mohammed

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:12:33 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Postal Code RFC

/dev/joe spake thusly
> 
> Here's the RFC to have multiple official "public forum" mailing lists,
> divided by topic.  This would only be modified slightly for my concept
> of non-voting players -- adding some near-duplicate language which
> requires all players to be on the official list and all voting players
> to be on the official voting list, and adding several lists to the Postal
> Code.

I like this idea.  This way, you can still belong to the mailing
lists in which you are interested, but not  have to pay attention
to some of the features of the game you may not be interested
in.

However, I have one small question...

For the following lists, does 'may only be used for' mean that
the list will be the only place for that kind of interaction,
or only that that kind of action must go into that mailing list?
(basically, if I wanna give someone some ackadollars, can I say
it in the main list only, both the main and financial list, or
the financial list only?)

>   acka-games@wilma may only be used for actions pertaining to Games &
>   Contest games, treasure hunts, Grab-a-Donkey, and The Machine that
>   Goes *ping*.  [What else?]
>   acka-games-priv@wilma is an alternate form of acka-games@wilma, with the
>   same restrictions, but suitable for messages desiring a private reply.
>   ackanomic-digest@wilma is also the digest form of acka-games@wilma
> 
>   acka-chess@wilma may only be used for actions in Party Chess.
> 
>   acka-financial@wilma may only be used for trades or gifts of entities.
>   }}
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:22:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Postal Code RFC

> /dev/joe spake thusly
> > Here's the RFC to have multiple official "public forum" mailing lists,
> > divided by topic. 
> 
> I like this idea.  This way, you can still belong to the mailing
> lists in which you are interested, but not  have to pay attention
> to some of the features of the game you may not be interested
> in.
> 
> However, I have one small question...
> 
> For the following lists, does 'may only be used for' mean that
> the list will be the only place for that kind of interaction,
> or only that that kind of action must go into that mailing list?
> (basically, if I wanna give someone some ackadollars, can I say
> it in the main list only, both the main and financial list, or
> the financial list only?)

'may only be used for' means 'only that kind of action may take place
on that list'.  When we have non-voting players, I might make the
subgame actions only allowable on the acka-games list, but for the
present plan, any action allowed under the rules will be allowed on the
official list.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:00:06 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 342 (Jammer)

>
>
>     Any player publicly that kisses an Tickle-Me Elmo cannot cast votes
>     for 4 days following the kiss.  Tickle-Me Elmo may, however, munch
>     on as many snacks as Tickle-Me Elmo likes.  A single Tickle-Me Elmo
>     is selected from this sentence.  The holder of the Tickle-me-Elmo
>     scores two extra points whenever one of his proposals passes.  At
>     this Tickle-Me Elmo the Blueprint is constructed, (and is a
>     Blueprint) and no more Parts may ever be added to it.
>
>I was going to debate this one differently, over the issue that the last
>sentence of the blueprint doesn't preclude additional pieces being added,
>as the sentence has no power until the blueprint is actually complete, 
>and by *that* time it will be true by the rules anyway, even if other
>sentences are added to the Blueprint-to-be in the meantime.
>
>/dev/joe
>
>
The sentance doesn't by itself, but it is the opinion of the Mad Scientist that
this part inherently introduces a conflict that will cause additional parts
to be rejected.  Any future part is inherntly contridictory with it.  
The blueprint isn't doing it, it';s the rule defining and creating the
blueprint.

Swann

PS-- I don't have an opinion on the CFJ, I just work here :)

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:04:10 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Processing Chips

CnH received +3 processing chips from the latest batch of
proposal results.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:21:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: P1641 was null

P1641 said:

In R1230.2 "Swinger Like to Play  Around II - Let's Play
section 2 D
delete the text :"as a result of eir Party being destroyed,"

but the actual section 2D says:

D. Whenever an Office of Swinger is destroyed, as a result of the fact that eir
   Party no longer exists, all Party Chess Pieces owned by that office are
   destroyed. No re-imbursement is made for the destroyed items.

/dev/joe

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