Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #483
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Ackanomic Digest       Monday, January 27 1997       Volume 01 : Number 483

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:05:01 -0600
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: *ping* 

Today is Sunday, the 26th day of January, in the Year of Our Lord 1997, 
and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. 
Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 11 times. 

/dev/joe
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:43:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Score Report

I never put one of these out since the proposals 1621-1631 passed (or failed)
so I'm doing it now.

(All) Scoring this cycle:
Jan 20 16:36 EST: Cycle 11 begins, all scores set to zero except as below
  Bascule, /dev/joe, Habeous Corpus, Mohammed, Robert Sevin, ThinMan: -15
  Malenkai: -60
Jan 20 20:14 EST: +30 Habeous Corpus: 2 Whamiols (Eponimondas)
Jan 20 20:14 EST: +15 snowgod: Whamiol (Eponimondas)
Jan 20 20:14 EST: +15 /dev/joe: Whamiol (Eponimondas)
Jan 20 20:22 EST: -2 Malenkai: retract P 1643
Jan 21 04:03 EST: -2 Niccolo Flychuck: retract P 1639
Jan 21 04:42 EST: -2 Niccolo Flychuck: retract P 1642
Jan 21 12:00 EST: +6 Niccolo Flychuck: Swingpoint conversion
Jan 21 12:00 EST: +4 snowgod: Swingpoint conversion
P1621-1631 scoring:
  1621 normal
  1622 rejected
  1623 normal
  1624 modest
  1626 rejected-newauthor
  1627 modest,short
  1628,1629 modest
  1630 normal
  1631 rejected
  1625 normal
Jan 23 00:06 EST: -10 Eponimondas: BURN THE WITCH!
Jan 23 23:58 EST: -2 Malenkai: retract P 1656
Jan 24 18:21 EST: -2 Guy Fawkes: retracting P 1660
Jan 24 19:55 EST: +6 Red Barn: duel winner
Jan 24 19:55 EST: +3 /dev/joe: duel winning seconder
Jan 24 19:55 EST: -6 snowgod: duel loser
Jan 24 19:55 EST: -3 Calvin N Hobbes: duel losing seconder
Jan 25 21:45 EST: -1 mr cwm: retracting CSR115

Current Scores:
(Who has the goose now, anyway?  I don't think I have it right.)

Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
29      snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
24      Habeous Corpus       V   (Ed Graham)
21      /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
12      Lestrade             A   (John Duncan)
8       Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
6       Bernard              A   (Daniel Knapp)
3       Swann                A   (Steven Swiniarski)
3       Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
3       breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
3       fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
2       mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
2       Strider              A   (Jason McCulley)
0       BuzzBee             NV   (John Coifman)
0       G. Peefalt           V   (Aaron Morris)
0       Jammer               A   (John Lotz)
0       23 Skidoo            V   (David Thomas Fisher)
0       Clairence           IV   (Clair Anthony Viglione)
- -2      Guy Fawkes           A   (Robert Shimmin)
- -6      Mohammed             Av  (Jason Orendorff)
- -7      Calvin N Hobbes      Ag  (Thierry Joffrain)
- -9      Bascule              Av  (Matt Black)
- -9      ThinMan              Av  (John Bollinger)
- -15     Robert Sevin         Av  (Mitchell Harding)
- -28     Malenkai             Av  (Randy Hall)
- -10 [%] Eponimondas          D   (Moses Rojas)
0 [%1]  AirHead              A   (Eric Freeman)

Status:
A=Active, N=New, V=Vacationing, IV=Involuntary Vacation, I=On Ice,
D=Dead, R=Returning (non-active), v=Victory Eggplant, g=Chartreuse Goose

[%] Score when Eponimondas left the game, or was ejected.
[%1] Score when AirHead quit.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 09:26:44 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Score Report

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> (Who has the goose now, anyway?  I don't think I have it right.)

Either Malenkai or Red Barn, depending on the verdict of CFJ 338.

> 0       BuzzBee             NV   (John Coifman)
> 0       23 Skidoo            V   (David Thomas Fisher)
> 0       Clairence           IV   (Clair Anthony Viglione)

I guess it really doesn't matter, but the above are on ice.

> -10 [%] Eponimondas          D   (Moses Rojas)
> [%] Score when Eponimondas left the game, or was ejected.

I guess it really doesn't matter again, but the ejection, if from
CFCJ 128, would occur after a 3 day grace period, so accounting for
the holiday, would occur Jan 28, 23:59, assuming the player joined
the game in the first place.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:15:16 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 101 Result

Hearing 101 - PM vs Strider in regards to a limerick address to the 
Fat Lady

Jan 26 13:15 EST: -3 Strider: Impolite to the Fat Lady

Not Polite (8)
- ----------
/dev/joe
Strider
Bernard
Guy Fawkes
Bascule
mr cwm
fnord
snowgod

Polite (5)
- ------
ThinMan
Malenkai
Mohammed
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 10:48:01 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearing 101 Result

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Hearing 101 - PM vs Strider in regards to a limerick address to the
> Fat Lady
> 
> Jan 26 13:15 EST: -3 Strider: Impolite to the Fat Lady
> 
> Not Polite (8)
> ----------
> /dev/joe
> Strider
> Bernard
> Guy Fawkes
> Bascule
> mr cwm
> fnord
> snowgod
> 
> Polite (5)
> ------
> ThinMan
> Malenkai
> Mohammed
> Swann
> Evil Ballot Stuffer

	I am sneering at whoever used their Evil Ballot Stuffer on a hearing.

			Strider

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:57:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: magic letter

I name t as the magic letter.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:34:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: game custom

Malenkai's previous suggestion that the "non-paradoxical interpretations 
are preferable to paradoxical ones (other qualifiers omitted)"  game 
custom should be challenged got me thinking.

I found this little bit of interestingness which has remained unchanged 
for Ackanomic's existence.

Rule 216/0 
Judgements Are Not Rules

     If a statement on which Judgement has been called is Judged to be true, 
     and that Judgement is not overruled, it does not thereby become a 
     rule, or any part of a rule. It merely becomes an explicit part of 
     currently accepted game custom. 

     Initial Mutable Rule 216, Jan 22 1996

What is game custom exactly?  In the sense that it is the sum of each 
player's interpretations of the rules, I suppose that it is impossible to 
challenge whether or not a given interpretation is game custom.  But if, 
as at least one proponent of the non-paradoxical preferability custom has 
frequently asserted, that particular piece of supposed game custom became 
game custom as the result of its inclusion in a CFJ's reasoning, and 
thereafter must be taken into account by all future judges, I seriously 
question whether it is game custom.

Rule 216's provision that CFJ's become accepted game custom (as written, 
at least) applies only to those CFJ's judged true.  The CFJ which 
supposedly instituted the non-paradoxical preferability custom was a 
paradox win attempt (240, I think) which was judged false.

In the sense that the non-paradox preferability argument is an opinion 
held by many (but by no means all) players, it is game custom.  In the 
sense that many judges use it as a basis for judging paradox CFJ's 
(personal opinion affects all judgments, after all), it is game custom.  
But in the sense that it is in some unwritten hinterlands of the rules 
and that it must be considered by all judges, I submit that no such 
custom exists.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:47:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Really Big Blue Thing

Phil Ackley wrote:

> Having completed my task, I hereby donate my Really Big Blue Thing to the
> museum.

From R 850:

> A player may donate any Gadget, Trinket, or Prosthetic Forehead that
> they own to the Museum, by going there and publically announcing
> which object(s) they are donating.

So this didn't happen.  Do you wish to go there and donate it?

Malenkai
Curator

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:02:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: magic letter

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> I name t as the magic letter.

You're too early.  You need to wait for one more *ping*.

/dev/joe
Scholar

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:05:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: donations

I am going to the Museum.  Once there, I am donating my first Prosthetic 
Forehead (the one I am not wearing) since I no longer have a use for it.  
In addition, I am donating my Electronic Potato to the Museum as a 
gesture of thanks and goodwill to the Financier.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:08:33 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Really Big Blue Thing 

>> A player may donate any Gadget, Trinket, or Prosthetic Forehead that
>> they own to the Museum, by going there and publically announcing
>> which object(s) they are donating.
>
>So this didn't happen.  Do you wish to go there and donate it?
>
>Malenkai
>Curator

You know, I remember reading that when I was contemplating donating a
Whamiol to the museum, but then I forgot it.  Thanks for pointing it out.

I am hereby going to the museum.  I wander through it's empty halls and
notice it's lack of exhibits.  Being the philanthropist that I am, I am
donating my Really Big blue Thing (...) to the museum.

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:49:49 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Museum (web stuff)

I have put up a preliminary Museum at

http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackamu.htm

Which in reality will probably be the permanent Museum.  Could
the Web-Harfer or Map-Harfer please provide a link ?

Also, I have rearranged the Treasure page to move the found
Treasures into a seperate archive off of the Buried Treasure Archive.

Malenkai
assistant web-harfer

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 13:28:12 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Red Barn 

Red barn has been remarkably silent as of late.  Does he perhaps believe
that he is still in Gaol?  You're a free man Red Barn!  Live it up.

And congratulations on your (barely) duel victory.

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:54:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Red Barn?

Red Barn? Who's that?

b

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:59:01 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1677

Proposal 1677
Short and Sweet
breadbox

This is a modest proposal.

Whenever a proposal amends this rule, the author of the proposal
receives 15 points over and above what they would have received,
provided that from the time the proposal was submitted until its
successful adoption, the player's Ackanomic name is that of any
character from a Walt Disney cartoon.

{{Renumber this rule to 731.}}

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:59:02 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1678

Proposal 1678
Checked Swingers do not get extra moves
Niccolo Flychuck

This is a Modest proposal.

Ammend R1230.2 in the following ways:

1.Section 2 E is ammended to read in full:
"
Determining the playing-order: 
(i)The Chess-Umpire maintains a list called the Swinger Play List.
Initially the NAP Swinger is at the top of the list. The names of the
other Swingers (including non-active players)follow in a random order
determined at the begining of the PartyChess game by the Chess-Umpire.
Once the order has been determined, it can only change as dictated by this
rule.
(ii) The Swinger whose name is at the top of the list is the Swinger whose
turn it is to play. When the turn is over. The top name is moved to the
bottom of the list, and every other name on the list moves one step up on
the list, except when this rule specifies otherwise.
(iii) When a single is checked, eir name is immediately moved to the top
of the list.
(iv) When more than one Swinger are checked simultaneously, the names of
all of the checked Swinger are moved to the top of the list simultaneously
and the procedure described in section 3 D of this rule is carried out.
When the situation called a Special DD-turn is resolved, the Chess-Umpire
arranges the names of the Swingers who were at the top of the list
(including non-active ones) in random order, and places the resultant list
at the bottom of the Swinger Play List.
(v) When a Swinger's Office is destroyed, its name, and the name of the
last Swinger to occupy it, are removed from the Swinger Play List.
(vi) When an Office of Swinger is created, its name, and the name of
Swinger who holds that office, are placed at the bottom of the list.
{{Upon acceptance of this proposal, the Chess-Umpire will create the
Swinger Play List according to the current playing order, such that the
Swinger whose it is to play is at th top of the list, the next Swinger to
play is second in the list, etc.}}

"

2. Delete section 2 G of this rule

3. Delete section 3 D (iv) (a) of this rule

4. Delete section 3 D (iii) of this rule

5. Rename section 3 D (iv) to 3 D (iii)

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:59:04 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1679

Proposal 1679
Wibble
breadbox

This is a modest proposal.

All proposals which are made by the player who is currently the
Speaker (or the Acting Speaker, if the Speaker is on vacation) must
include an approved silly word; otherwise, the proposal is invalid.

The approved list of silly words is as follows: spong, wibble, ni!,
pheeeeew, zopzop, boing, banana, squawk, thatcher, and
yeenewkleorrrrmeeesseilllllee.

{{ Renumber this rule to 111. }}

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:17:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Red Barn? 

>Red Barn? Who's that?
>
>b

Bernard :)

snowgod
wasting bandwidth in Bernards place.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:23:28 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1679

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1679
> Wibble
> breadbox

It looks like someone has been reading the proposal archives :)

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:36:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1679

> > Proposal 1679
> > Wibble
> > breadbox
> 
> It looks like someone has been reading the proposal archives :)
> 
> Malenkai

Well, I felt it was my duty as the historian.

Just so everyone knows, now that I've been exposed: All of the
proposals I've submitted this week were not actually written by
me. They are proposals that were submitted one year ago, with only
minor editing to make them applicable to the game in its current
form. All of them were voted down then (although I must admit that for
today I almost submitted the Voting Gnome).

Thus we now see that my labelling them as "modest" is an outrageous
lie.

breadbox
your sneaky historian

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:11:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Duel

	Malenkai!  I must with some regret inform you that your doom is
eminent.  Ackanomic's esteemed treasure-hunter and pirate-caliber
swordsman /dev/joe wishes to challenge you to a duel.
	His reasons for this are that he believes you are leading
Ackanomic on a wild Goose chase with your assorted Treasures and
fabricated Parade descriptions.
	/dev/joe also wishes it to be known that 573 18 1199 -9 308 9 1086
17 18 654 7 701 -9 .
	I create a Trinket called the Helm of Impending Vanquishment,
worth A$12.
	This silver helmet covers the eyes to spare its wearer the agony
of seeing his rout as it approaches.  In the silver of the front of the 
helmet are sculpted a pair of eyes wide with terror.
	I give this shiny new Helm to Malenkai, knowing that after 
/dev/joe pounds it into a platter, it will probably be worth ten times 
its current value on the open market.  :o)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:07:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1676

On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> > Proposal 1676
> > Giving Ghost a Thorough Rewrite
> 
> > (1) A player may only begin a new ghost word where there is no existing
> > ghost word, or when the previous player resigned. 
> 
> Is this an *option* in the case when a player resigns?  In the section
> where players resign, I saw no mention of the fact that the ghost
> word is destroyed.  I like the idea of the ghost word being destroyed
> when a player resigns; if that is your intent, the language should be
> more explicit.  If that is not your intent, your intent should be
> clarified.

I had meant to make it an option, so that a fluke resignation wouldn't 
seriously harm the next player's strategy (They could take it or leave 
it, as it were.)  After a second glance, though, I see that it wouldn't 
be fair to all the _other_ player's to give that player the option.

> Per my first paragraph above, I would like to see the ghost word destroyed
> in some of these cases.  For example, if a challenge alledging the ghost
> word is in the official dictionary is successful, I would like to see
> the ghost word destroyed.  Otherwise, the player to the figurative "right"
> of the player posting such a word wins the game, regardless of the 
> number of players.

OUCH!!  I forgot to mention that a successful protest destroyed the ghost 
word.  Even if the first weren't reason enough for retraction, this is.

Guy Fawkes
not watching the Superbowl

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:56:27 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Gaoler 

> I accept Bernards bribe of A$30, and release him, though I would like to
> impose the following restriction oon his release :

  I hereby change my Ackanomic name to "Red Barn".  Ah, bliss.

> Upon Release Bernard is to compose an original Top Ten list of the ten
> funnest things to do in Gaol.

  Here 'tis, although this rushed and I don't vouch for the humor.

  The Top Ten Funniest Things to do in Gaol:
  #10: Count the cells.
   #9: Try to tunnel free to Agora.
   #8: Compose limericks.
   #7: Compose top-ten lists.
   #6: Think up acronyms for names.
   #5: Look for loopholes in the cell walls.
   #4: Plead with the Jailor.
   #3: Contemplate the teachings of Surak.
   #2: Contemplate the Golden Frog.
   #1: Tunnel out of your cell, then get lost underground
      because the Earth doesn't have any depth to dig in.

> Note that no rule binds Bernard to these conditions, but it seemed like fun :)

  Yes, it did.

- -Red Barn, once more.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:09:37 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gaoler 

> Bernard also owes a public apology.

  Right.  And here it is:

  I am so, so sorry.  I can not say how sad I am to have caused you all,
and all of Acka, such grief by attempting to illegally modify the perfectly
good name the Speaker gave me ("Red Barn") to that which is most truly the
most atrocious of all puns, "Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".  I was
wrong to attempt to so abuse such a poor, young, innocent, deserving rule,
merely because it contained the phrase "Chess nuts boasting in an open
foyer is a crime".  And, moreover, in a larger sense, it was wrong for me
to attempt to be declared a crime, or even a criminal - for what criminal
is it that commits no crime?  It could be interpreted only as an attack
upon the Ackanomic justice system, and this was most wrong.  Truly, verily,
most assuredly, I, Red Barn, do repent.

  But I'd do it again.  :)

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:11:58 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : snowgod - Red Barn Limerick Duel 

> This is neither a hearing nor an election, therefore the EBS cannot
> vote.  Taking away the EBS vote makes it 7/7, so the tiebreaker would
> apply, and I remember not who was first.  Also, did you take the
> holiday into account for the voting period?

  Wahaha.  I was first, by about two days.  Victory is mine!

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:42:41 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Postmaster

Sigh, no sooner do I move one observer to the digest list than another
observer's mail starts bouncing "user unknown".

I am exercising my privilege as Postmaster to move observer
[email-masked] to the digest list.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:52:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: mailing idea

I was thinking...  (I know, dangerous thing.)

Might it be a good idea to _start_ observers off on the digest list?  I 
know that looking at scores of mailings in my box every day would be 
enough to scare _me_ away if I was undecided on whether I wanted to play 
or not.  A few large files, however, doesn't seem quite so intimidating.

Comments?

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:04:38 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Internomic: Proposal 326 

There is a new Proposal, Number 326, proposed by Ackanomic.

- -----------

Create a new rule with the following text:

Rule 216 is hereby made Mutable.  This rule then repeals itself.

- -----------

Comments which are not part of the proposal:

I'm not sure Agora's 'changing of the rules' as allowed by
rule 114 is necessarily a 'Rule Change'; rather, it occurs
to me that 'changing of the rules' is a proper superset of
what is specifically defined in the rules as a 'Rule Change',
at least it is that way in Acka.

Agora could have just as easily changed the rules to add
an Immutable rule.  Since they did not specify, the mutablity
seems to be undefined.  Rather than call for judgement on
this, the rule created by this proposal should fix it regardless
of whether this reasoning would be upheld by the Internomic
justice system.  Note that rule 101, which mentions the
mutability of rule 216, no longer has scope.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:17:51 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Internomic Proposal 326 

There is a new Internomic Proposal, Number 326, proposed by Malenkai on
behalf of Ackanomic. I hereby initiate a senate vote on it.

- -----------

Create a new rule with the following text:

Rule 216 is hereby made Mutable.  This rule then repeals itself.

- -----------

Comments which are not part of the proposal:

I'm not sure Agora's 'changing of the rules' as allowed by
rule 114 is necessarily a 'Rule Change'; rather, it occurs
to me that 'changing of the rules' is a proper superset of
what is specifically defined in the rules as a 'Rule Change',
at least it is that way in Acka.

Agora could have just as easily changed the rules to add
an Immutable rule.  Since they did not specify, the mutablity
seems to be undefined.  Rather than call for judgement on
this, the rule created by this proposal should fix it regardless
of whether this reasoning would be upheld by the Internomic
justice system.  Note that rule 101, which mentions the
mutability of rule 216, no longer has scope.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:22:36 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: mailing idea 

>I was thinking...  (I know, dangerous thing.)
>
>Might it be a good idea to _start_ observers off on the digest list?  I
>know that looking at scores of mailings in my box every day would be
>enough to scare _me_ away if I was undecided on whether I wanted to play
>or not.  A few large files, however, doesn't seem quite so intimidating.
>
>Comments?
>
>Guy Fawkes

Based on the comments I have recieved from a couple of Observers, I think
this would be a good idea.  I try to reccomend to new observers that they
join the digest version of the list, but a couple of times they have said
they would rather join the "real" list so that they don't feel like they
are missing anything.

If we made digest membership mandatory for new observers, perhaps they
wouldn't feel obligated to bit off more than they can chew.

Fnord, you were and observer for a long time, (perhaps you ought to be our
expert on observers :)  Any comments?

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:41:29 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 102 Result

The Politeness Moon against Niccolo Flychuck finds him polite.
He gets the title of Jazz Jackrabbit for 3 days.

Polite (13), Impolite (0)
- ------------------------
Mohammed
Malenkai
Niccolo Flychuck
Red Barn
Bascule
Guy Fawkes
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
snowgod
ThinMan
mr cwm
breadbox
fnord

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:47:45 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 103 Result

Politeness Moon against Mohammed.  Mohammed also gets the title of
Jazz Jackrabbit

Polite (9)
- ------
Niccolo Flychuck
Bascule
Guy Fawkes
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
snowgod
ThinMan
breadbox
fnord

Impolite (3)
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Red Barn
Malenkai
mr cwm

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:49:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 104 Result

Second PM against Mohammed.

Polite (6)
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Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
snowgod
ThinMan
breadbox
mr cwm

Impolite (1)
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Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:54:31 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Scroll of Crumble Auction

Malenkai wrote:

> I am building a Scroll of Crumble.  It will be done in 3 days.

It is now done, and I am calling an auction for it, to end in
3 days, or three hours after the latest bid, whichever is later.

Bids should be public and exceed the previous bid, if there is 
one, by at least 10%.  I heard some pretty big numbers being kicked
around as potential bids, so lets start bidding!

Malenkai
Wizard

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:06:22 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato

snowgod finds the magic potato and is beldins tailor.
Niccolo finds the great tuba

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:05:52 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Scroll of Crumble Auction

Salutations!

		I bid A$100 for Exalted Malenkai's Scroll of Crumble.

				Regards,
					Strider

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:07:58 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  RFC Y'all want a Graffitti Wall

I'm thinking of setting up a Graffitti wall.
With comments, Small  - 5k> -gifs and 
the like, I figure I've got about 80-100k to 
spend on it

If there is any interest I'll Harf it

John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:18:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Scroll of Crumble Auction 

>Salutations!
>
>		I bid A$100 for Exalted Malenkai's Scroll of Crumble.
>
>				Regards,
>					Strider

I bid A$110 for the Scroll of Crumble.

Also, I hope other Scroll owners are aware that I will pay top dollar for
their scrolls!  If you have a scroll of Crumble, and no idea what to do
with it just sell it to snowgod!

Bond trades are possible, too.  Contact me for details.

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:22:02 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC Y'all want a Graffitti Wall 

>I'm thinking of setting up a Graffitti wall.
>With comments, Small  - 5k> -gifs and
>the like, I figure I've got about 80-100k to
>spend on it
>
>If there is any interest I'll Harf it
>
>John-Martin Lotz
>[email-masked]

Yeah!  I'd like to see that.  As a matter of fact, I wanted to do something
similar in the past, but my ISP doesn't allow for custom CGI scripts and it
isn't practical to do with java.

snowgod
all in favor of low maintenance bells and whistles

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:19:52 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC Y'all want a Graffitti Wall

John Martin Lotz wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of setting up a Graffitti wall.
> With comments, Small  - 5k> -gifs and
> the like, I figure I've got about 80-100k to
> spend on it
> 
> If there is any interest I'll Harf it

I don't know how much I'll be able to
contribute to it, but I certainly would look
at it, perhaps put some treasure clues up there
once in a while :)

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:37:36 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Red Barn 

At 1:28 PM on 1/26/97, Phil Ackley wrote:

> Red barn has been remarkably silent as of late.  Does he perhaps believe
> that he is still in Gaol?  You're a free man Red Barn!  Live it up.

  No, I was on a visit to family.  Only for two days, so I didn't bother
going on Vacation.  I just got back and found myself free (and for only
A$30, too!), so, in celebration, I am creating a trinket known henceforth
as the "Sceptre of Penguin Power", worth A$75, and burying it.  The
following might or might not have something to do with it:

> And congratulations on your (barely) duel victory.

  Yes, indeed!  Once again, for the first time, I triumph!

- -Red Barn

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:39:09 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Red Barn? 

At 2:54 PM on 1/26/97, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Red Barn? Who's that?

  I'll assume that was meant facetiously.  Otherwise I might have to
generate more mail, to demonstrate. :)

- -Red Barn

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