Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #475
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Ackanomic Digest      Thursday, January 23 1997      Volume 01 : Number 475

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:07:07 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Boons

> Niccolo:    ancient artifact: Electronic Potato (ouch for the Financier)
> /dev/joe:   ancient artifact: Electronic Potato (d'oh!)

Hmm, the 3 players who have the most proposals accepted in the history of
Ackanomic all have Electronic Potatoes now.  (181+64+58 = 303 accepted
proposals written by Malenkai, Niccolo Flychuck, and myself; this is
almost half the total of 614 proposals that have ever been accepted).

For the newcomers: An electronic potato gives its owner A$2 from the
treasury each time one of his proposals is accepted.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:11:31 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: Boons

> Jammer:     ancient artifact: Scroll of Crumble

Hmmm
<VBVEG>Jammer
John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:15:24 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Boons

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Boons of the Ancients are described in R 1311. 

Boons are actually described in R1211:)  WAFTI

				Regards,
					Strider

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:19:44 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bartender 

I will serve the remainder of the drinks and taly final bartabs as soon as
I sort through the remaining email.  Also, while I'm at it I'd like to
offer a toast to Malenkai, /dev/joe, Elder Wayne, Mohammed, myself in the
past tense, and every other player who has taken on the work of a
functional officer, especially nothing required them to do so.

Cheers to those who make ackanomic what it is!

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:57:56 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Undead 

>> Ya know, I had been thinking of calling a CFJ on _this_ little
>> foofarall, along the same lines of Malenkai's, because how can we know
>> whose house gets plagued by undead, until after the celebration is
>> over anyway.
>
>  If everyone's at the celebration, why do the undead go to the _house_?
>
>-Red Barn

Hehehe... He must not be celebrating, bah humbug that he is :)

snowgod
who really like fnords poem

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:03:13 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany? 

>Ambassador
>
>Do you know of a polish nomic (PNOMIC) based in Warsaw? (my polish is rusty)
>I found this URL:
>http://www.wlkp.ternet.pl/labirynt/nomic/nomic.htm

>There is also a German Nomic (GNOMIC) based at the university of
>Frankfurt. URL:
>http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/gnomic/gnomic.info.html

>Anyway, I'm now looking for Asian and African Nomics. A South American one
>would be nice too.
>
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Just like Marco Polo

I know of both of these Nomics, and have tried to get in contact with each,
but due to my lack of foriegn language skills, I never recieved a reply (if
only we found a spanish nomic).

I'm always on the lookout for new nomics, though.  Evey once and a while I
find one that looks promising, but I heisitate to comment on them unless I
recieve a reply from it's representatives.

Oh yeah... One more thing... Thring.  Recent events in Thring prompted me
to join their list, so I have been following them closely.  Interesting
bunch of folks.  Oretty harfy themselves, if not chaotic.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:04:04 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany? 

>Do you know of a polish nomic (PNOMIC) based in Warsaw? (my polish is rusty)
>I found this URL:
>http://www.wlkp.ternet.pl/labirynt/nomic/nomic.htm
>
>Do we have any kind of info about them? Their rule set is 11KB long,
>available on the web. It looks like they are pretty young, if not just
>starting. However, they seem to have a link to Thring for one. Acka should
>be on the forefront of foreign relations. I'm going to go nomic hunting.  :)

My brother happens to know Polish -- well, actually, he is taking it in
college. He may be able to help with any translation (and it would most
likely help him with his class). Add to this the fact that he is the creator
(discoverer?) of the word and concept "harf", so he can be relied upon. His
email address is [email-masked]. I'll let him know he may be
getting some requests. We could also compose a message for them. My brother
would probably be more than happy to translate a message to them, provided
it was not unnecessarily complex.

>There is also a German Nomic (GNOMIC) based at the university of Frankfurt.
URL:
>http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/gnomic/gnomic.info.html
>
>It seems to be somewhat more active. They have a 70KB rule set and made lots
>of cool looking props (my german is better than my polish). The person who
>is speaker (or just owns the web pages) has the game name Calvin. He he he...

My wife, who (as you know) is taking German, may be able to help with that.
If you bring the rule set over some day, we can work on it, and compose a
message to them for the Ambassador to convey.

>Anyway, I'm now looking for Asian and African Nomics. A South American one
>would be nice too.
>
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Just like Marco Polo

We need to boldly discover more Nomics. It should be one of our top
priorities. I'd like to add it to the goals of the Harf party.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:15:10 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bartender 

Line Up gentlemen,

Come and enjoy some Tasty beverages.  Let's see, for mr cwm I have a bottle
of our most pretentious water.... I like to call it Pretentier!  For Red
Barn, a glass of our finest aged vinegar.

Strider get's two Drinks. A pan Galactic Gargleblaster (Any drinkin games
with that, sir?) A glass of syrian panther sweat.  I hope you find them
made to your satisfaction, sir.

And finally, dor my evil twin, a glass of  FrobozzCo Cola (the real sugar,
real caffeine variety) - A double shot with extra fizz.  Hopefully, I have
satisfied everyones order.  Especially my evil twin.  Does this soda meet
your standards, sir?

Finally, I note that no one, with the exception of yours truly, who was not
allowed to drink, availed themselves to the munchies.  Perhaps we ought to
devote some advertising to the fact that they are available.

No players need have a taxi Called for them, as no one has reached the
legal limit.  Load off my mind I tell you.

And now, for the tab:

Malenkai : 1 beer                            : A$2
Strider  : 1 Hard Alchohol                   : A$2
Red Barn : 1 Mixed + one wine                : A$5
CnH      : 1 mixed                           : A$3
Jammer   : 1 Non-Alcoholic                   : A$1
breadbox : 3 nonalcoholic                    : A$3
mr cwm   : 1 Water                           : A$1
strider  : 1 mixed, one non alchoholic       : A$4

For a grand total of A$21 of Which I will keep A$11.

Niccolo Flychuck -$21, Bar Tab for Services Rendered
snowgod +21, Bar Tab for Services Rendered
snowgod -10, tansfer to treasury of bar tab

(see R1125 for details about the above transfer)

snowgod
ex-bartender

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:16:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Drink 

Bartender,

I would like one of those whoojits, with a whatnot chaser.  And could you
follow it up with a pint of thingumawatchit?

snowgod
ex-bartender

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:15:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany?

>> Do you know of a polish nomic (PNOMIC) based in Warsaw? (my polish is rusty)
>> I found this URL:
>> http://www.wlkp.ternet.pl/labirynt/nomic/nomic.htm

I seem to remember that Kelly Martin was a member of a nomic called
Pnomic, simultaneously with Ackanomic....

... probably a coincidence.

b

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:22:02 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: What happens to Fnord 

>Rule 1119/1
>Undead (aka I didn't come back as a bag of groceries)
>Robert Sevin (Mitchell Harding)
>
>       Any player publicly that kisses an undead cannot cast votes for 4
>days following the kiss. The kiss will cause a scandal and an article
>about it must be published in at least one newspaper within the next 10
>days (i.e. the newspaper, with the article, must be sent out within 10
>days of the kiss) or all players who own newspapers lose 3 points.

I note that a scandal is currently occuring.  Of all things, fnord kissing,
or at least being kissed, by an undead!  Ick! I mean really, and the great
old one?  Could done better than that.  Could at least of kissed someone
you own age.

For more news on this Late Breaking Story check out the next edition of the
SFG.  No other rage dares gives you the facts about fnords sordid love life.

snowgod
editor

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:08:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:History Part I

> 		I've just finished reading breadbox's history.
> Awe-inspiring.  That's the only word I have for it.  Makes me wish
> I'd been here for all of it!  I thoroughly recommend it to everyone.
> Bravo, breadbox. I, also would like to gift you with A$50 for your
> excellent work on this project.  I look forward to Pt. II!

[breadbox blushes before hastily composing himself]

Thank you. Really, the pleasure is all mine, especially after having
now received compliments from both an elder and a new player. I
accept your generous gift, but I have to admit it puts me in somewhat
of an uncomfortable situation. I fear that I have received far more
for my work than the functional officers do! A touch embarrassing....

Presuming he accepts, I would like to pass this gift of A$50 on to
/dev/joe, for without the many archives he keeps available, this job
would have been, essentially, an impossible task. /dev/joe, thank you.

breadbox
your grateful historian

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:36:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Duel (Robert Sevin)

Calvin N Hobbes, would you kindly pass this message on to Robert
Sevin, my opponent? Thank you.

[ahem]

R. Sevin, that toothy shoehorn,
Cried: "Flat! I believe! I'm newborn!
    And that bandwidth hobgoblin,
    I'LL sandwich his problem ...
In fire!!" The rest is true corn.

breadbox
beat up for stating his beliefs

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 04:00:00 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Duel (breadbox) 

Here is my limerick:

There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose harf more than filled his bucket,
      He gave harf away,
      'til many did say,
      "Please, sir, harf on your way!"

Robert Sevin

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:52:23 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  Proposal 1665

>
>Proposal 1665
>Amending "Winning by Paradox"
>Calvin N Hobbes
>
>{This will allow *limited* loophole surfing without problematic side
>effects. That should allow for a little more clean good fun. It will also
>allow us to train at paradox spotting    :o)  }
>
>Amend R219 "Winning by Paradox" to read, in whole:
>
>If any of the following occurs: (i) the rules are changed so that further
>play is impossible, or (ii) rule changes are impossible, or (iii) an action
>which would affect the game state appears equally legal and illegal, or (iv)
>there exist a contradiction or paradox in the rule set that is only resolved
>by R210, then a player may call for judgement on a statement to that effect,
>identifying clearly in the reasoning with which of the four above cases they
>invoke the call for judgement.

I already have a proposal in the queue to amend R 219.  Among
other things, it will fix some language that bothers me in that
rule, and which P 1665 would restore.  Most importantly, however,
I most definately do NOT want to open up apparent paradoxes that
are resolved by R 210 for paradox win attempts.  As far as I am
concerned, that is wholly contrary to the entire concept of the
win by paradox.  In addition, if R210 resolution is ignored, then
we will have literally _dozens_ of eligible paradoxes among
self-inconsistent rules alone.
>

ThinMan
Whose successful paradox win inspired some of the current language
of R 210.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:55:29 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  Proposal 1666

>
>Proposal 1666
>Amending "Invoking Judgement"
>Calvin N Hobbes
>
>{The following change means that there is no indefinite protection of
>paradoxes within the rules}
>
>Amend the last line of R211 "Invoking Judgement" to read, in whole:
>
>Any Paradox Win CFJ which is based on the same sort of Paradox, in the
>judgement of the judge, as any Paradox Win CFJ judged TRUE in the previous
>two cycles shall be judged Invalid. 

At least this would not tromp my proposed amendment to R211.  I am
inclined to oppose it, but I might change my mind.  I just prefer
to award paradox wins based on original ideas and insight instead of
on duplications or analogies of other people's work.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:02:16 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  Proposal 1666

/dev/joe wrote:

>A recent CFJ points out also that the previous sentence should say
>"another Paradox Win CFJ submitted" instead of "a Paradox Win CFJ
>submitted".

This bit is not in the part that CnH wants to amend, but it _is_
already covered by a proposal I submitted (and which was distributed)
a few days ago.  I suspect that my recent proposing activity may have
inspired both Guy Fawkes and Red Barn in their judgement-calling.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:12:44 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Bartender

snowgod wrote:

>And finally, dor my evil twin, a glass of  FrobozzCo Cola (the real sugar,
>real caffeine variety) - A double shot with extra fizz.  Hopefully, I have
>satisfied everyones order.  Especially my evil twin.  Does this soda meet
>your standards, sir?

*Wipes mouth*  Ahhh.  Excellent.

ThinMan -1 Bartender tip
snowgod +1 Bartender tip

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:20:45 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC Tammany reform

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Mohammed wrote:

>
>RFC Tammany Reform
>
>[ I believe this will allow me to automate the Tammany Bribing
>process.  I really want to get that done soon so that I might be able
>to fully automate proposal finalization.  Please vote YES, barring
>unforseen bugs in this revision. ]
>
>[ This also removes the SILENT option.  Objections?  (I am not sure it
>has ever been used.) ]
>

I've used the SILENT option, although I don't remember if my bribe was
high enough to keep Tammany silent.  It is useful if you don't think an
extra vote is necessary, but want to make sure there isn't one the other
way, because then your money essentially counts double.  It's not real
important, but if it doesn't make things too complicated, I'd like to see
SILENT kept.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:12:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: strange bot occurences

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> I personally abhor the use of Crisis Resolution; it seems to take all
> the fun out of it.  However, if no one else would find it fun...
> 
> I guess the same thing could be done with a CSR; I objected to that
> office for the same reasons.
> 
> comments?

As uneloquent as CR is, it does forgo the irritation of having to 
resubmit everything.  It's all a matter of what you find fun.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:24:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Spy's Report

It seems that Agora is slightly too hellbent on denying our Internomic 
win, employing some argument along the lines of "That which is 
permissible is not necessarily possible."  I have a half-formed idea in 
my mind that may render such an argument illegal, but other than that 
(I'll release the details if I can develop it into a robust CFJ) they may 
get away with imposing such un-harfy custom on Internomic.

Does anyone see any way to defeat such an argument?  Are appeals allowed?

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:47:09 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Spy's Report

Guy Fawkes wrote:

>It seems that Agora is slightly too hellbent on denying our Internomic 
>win, employing some argument along the lines of "That which is 
>permissible is not necessarily possible."  I have a half-formed idea in 
>my mind that may render such an argument illegal, but other than that 
>(I'll release the details if I can develop it into a robust CFJ) they may 
>get away with imposing such un-harfy custom on Internomic.
>
>Does anyone see any way to defeat such an argument?  Are appeals allowed?

It is undeniable (whether or not it is true) that not everything
permissible under the Internomic ruleset is possible.  However, it is
strictly a matter for handwaving (read: judgement / personal taste /
philosophy) _which_ permissible things are possible and which
impossible.  Internomic does not codify or explicitly make use of game
custom, and judgements only need to be in accord with the rules.  There
is, therefore, no possible counter-argument.

However, the rules do not explicitly make CFJs binding in any way.
This is, in my opinion, a serious flaw in the system, and may leave
the game open to easy crashing and/or undecidable questions.  I would
personally prefer to see Internomic plug the apparent hole than to
simply judge it away (to whatever extent it can do so), but I see
no way in which we can dispute Agora's verdict, whatever it may be.

There is no procedure for appealing Internomic calls for judgement.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:51:52 -0600
From: Eric Freeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka

As much as I hate to, I must resign from the game.  I just don't
have the time to devote to it.

AirHead )C;

- -- 

       \\\|///
     \\  - -  //
      (  @ @  )
+---oOOo-(_)-oOOo--------------------------------------------+
|                                                            |
|      http://www.visioncom.net/users/ericfree/home.html     |
|                                                            |
|   oooO                                                     |
|  (   )    Oooo                                             |
|   \ (     (   )                                            |
+----\_)-----) / --------------------------------------------+
            (_/

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:59:31 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  strange bot occurences

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

Could the proposals be re-distributed with the appropriate numbers (and
some sort of warning to prevent confusion)?  Or is it too late?  Maybe the
lateness would be a crime but the proposals would would still be legally
distributed.  A Crisis Resolution seems like overkill, and the CSR Officer
informs me he won't even *think* of touching this one.

- -mr cwm

>
>While it can be argued that violation of duties is permissable, as in
>the case where snowgod mis-distributed voting results, the clause at
>the end of the rule is not a duty, but a mandate that the proposals
>be distributed as in step c), which they were not.  Therefore anything
>numbered greater than P 1652 is not a proposal.
>
>The only solution I can think of within the rules is Crisis Resolution,
>with the following rule change:
>
>Create a new rule with text:
>
>{{
>Proposals with numbers 1653 through 1664, excluding 1655, are created,
>with text, titles, and authorship identical to those proposal-like 
>posts as disributed and numbered by Mohammed.  The authorship assigned
>by this rule shall be attached to the proposals as if that player was
>the author.
>
>Then, those newly created proposals shall be distributed to the public
>forum for voting consideration, in numberical order, lowest to highest. 
>}}
>
>I personally abhor the use of Crisis Resolution; it seems to take all
>the fun out of it.  However, if no one else would find it fun...
>
>I guess the same thing could be done with a CSR; I objected to that
>office for the same reasons.
>
>comments?
>
>Malenkai
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:47:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka:History Part I

breadbox wrote:
> Presuming he accepts, I would like to pass this gift of A$50 on to
> /dev/joe, for without the many archives he keeps available, this job
> would have been, essentially, an impossible task. /dev/joe, thank you.

Thank you, breadbox.  I accept this gift.  If I could use acka money in
real life I'd use it toward upgrading wilma. :-)

/dev/joe, who manages to keep the web pages straight most of the
time, with help from some others, but has forgotten when breadbox ever
became historian, but is glad to see somebody doing the job.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:03:18 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ACKA:  strict-constructionalism

Red Barn spake thusly
> 
>   There's no other type!  If you put things together minimally, someone
> jumps in with a paradox win... :|  So it is in Nomic, Chess, and hard SF.

Pardon me, but, how can one win with paradox in a game of Chess?

fnord

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:48:13 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany? 

> We need to boldly discover more Nomics. It should be one of our top
> priorities. I'd like to add it to the goals of the Harf party.

  This is somewhat off-topic, but the Internomic definition of a Nomic is
"a game with self-modifying rules".  Shouldn't that specify that it must
have a few people in it?  Otherwise we could create a few "dummy" Nomics
and use them to stuff the Internomic ballots...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:24:54 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: money

I hereby give all my acka $ to Joan of Arkansas,
if she acks it. 

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:28:14 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Adam Gesher)
Subject: acka bux

i hereby give all my acka $ to joan of arkansas,
if she acks it. - nietzsche

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:35:40 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Zelda B. Morris)
Subject: Acka: I accept.

I accept Nietzsche's and Eponimondas'  money.
And must inform All, that they were me all along. I thought I'd just
wait till I could figure a really good paradox win. But I just didn't
have enough time---I'm returnin' my webtv box. Maybe I'll see you boys
when I get my 'puter.
- -ZELDA M.
(for now having to settle for bein' the richest woman in acka)
P.S. I must resign, me and my DRONES.
- -------JOAN OF ARKANSAS

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:47:49 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ACKA:  strict-constructionalism 

> Pardon me, but, how can one win with paradox in a game of Chess?

  Um.  That's a toughie.  What I meant was, of course, that if you don't
guard your king, you lose - I'm not all that good at chess, and it's
happened to me a fair amount.  I suppose, perhaps, if you have too many
queens, the other player can say you're cheating?  No, never mind.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:48:01 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: I accept. 

> I accept Nietzsche's and Eponimondas'  money.
> And must inform All, that they were me all along. I thought I'd just
> wait till I could figure a really good paradox win. But I just didn't
> have enough time---I'm returnin' my webtv box. Maybe I'll see you boys
> when I get my 'puter.
> -ZELDA M.
> (for now having to settle for bein' the richest woman in acka)
> P.S. I must resign, me and my DRONES.
> -------JOAN OF ARKANSAS

  Argh.  Is there a rule against this?  And how come WebTV people get to
create multiple usernames?

  If this is deemed to have been legal, perhaps I'd beter start creating
some HoTMaiL accounts now, while I still have the chance...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:54:07 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Game of Questions 

  I found this on the Web.  Perhaps we need something like it?

- ------cut-here-------
From Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

With spectators?
    Do you want to play questions?
How do you play that?
    You have to ask a question.
Statement.  One - Love.
    Cheating.
How?
    I haven't started yet.
Statement.  Two - Love.
    Are you counting that?
What?
    Are you counting that?
Foul.  No repetition.  Three - Love and game.
    I'm not going to play if you're going to be like that.
Who's serve?
    Uh...
Hesitation.  Love - One.
    Who's go?
Why?
    Why not?
What for?
    HA.  No synonyms.  One all.
What in God's name is going on?
    Foul.  No rhetoric.  Two - One.
What does it all add up to?
    Can't you guess?
Are you addressing me?
    Is there anyone else?
Who?
    How would I know?
Why do you ask?
    Are you serious?
Was that rhetoric?
    No.
Statement.  Two all.  Game point.
    What's the matter with you today?
When?
    What?
Are you deaf?
    Am I dead?
Yes or no?
    Is there a choice?
Is there a God?
    Foul.  No non-sequiturs.  Three - Two.  One game all.
What's your name?
    What's yours?
You first.
    Statement.  One - Love.
What's your name when you're at home?
    What's yours?
When I'm at home?
    Is it different at home?
What home?
    Haven't you got one?
Why do you ask?
    What are you driving at?
What's your name?
    Repetition.  Two - Love.  Match point.
Who do you think you are?
    Rhetoric.  Game and match!

- --- Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Dead / Rosencrantz (Gary Oldman)
                                      / Guildenstern (Tim Roth)
- ------cut-here-------

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:10:33 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: I accept.

Red Barn asked:
> > I accept Nietzsche's and Eponimondas'  money.
> > And must inform All, that they were me all along. I thought I'd just
> > wait till I could figure a really good paradox win. But I just didn't
> > have enough time---I'm returnin' my webtv box. Maybe I'll see you boys
> > when I get my 'puter.
> > -ZELDA M.
> 
>   Argh.  Is there a rule against this?  And how come WebTV people get to
> create multiple usernames?

I don't know why WebTV users get to create multiple usernames on one box;
maybe it's meant to give separate email accounts to each member of a family?

Anyway, there is a rule against it.  Read rule 250.

I have submitted a CFCJ already.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:11:39 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 335 Verdict

>
>CFJ 335 has been judged FALSE.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 335
>  Subject: Still unraveling Rule 1630
>Initiator: Malenkai
>    Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected Jan 22, 1997, 19:47h EST)
>Judgement: FALSE
> 
Happy Birthdat Acka

Swann

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:19:47 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I accept.

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, /dev/joe wrote:

>
>Anyway, there is a rule against it.  Read rule 250.
>
>I have submitted a CFCJ already.
>

As a matter of interest, who does the CFCJ charge with breaking the rules
(since I'd bet there is no such player, now)?  (And why do my mentees keep
disappearing?) 

- -mr cwm

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:21:55 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I accept. 

> As a matter of interest, who does the CFCJ charge with breaking the rules
> (since I'd bet there is no such player, now)?  (And why do my mentees keep
> disappearing?)

  Yes - can a CFCJ be called on an undead?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:31:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: I accept.

mr cwm wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, /dev/joe wrote:

> >Anyway, there is a rule against it.  Read rule 250.
> >I have submitted a CFCJ already.

> As a matter of interest, who does the CFCJ charge with breaking the rules
> (since I'd bet there is no such player, now)?  (And why do my mentees keep
> disappearing?) 

Eponimondas, the first webtv registrant.  The resignation was posted
by one of the other aliases, and I'm asserting that this doesn't succeed
in deregistering the others.  

Hmm, this probably means that mr cwm and whoever the mentor was for
the other bogus webtv registration don't get their mentor fees, either.
I recommend that the judge for this CFCJ (when one is selected) consider
adding a transference of A$25 from Eponimondas to each of mr cwm and the
other mentor as additional penalties, if it is judged true.

/dev/joe

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:36:31 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: What happens to Fnord: Nothing! 

R1119 says:
>>       Any player publicly that kisses an undead cannot cast votes for 4

But R1630 
3) The undeads of all dead players will gather at the house of one unlucky
player and cheer as one of them kisses him.

There is a difference between kissing someone and being kissed. Hence no
scandal is taking place. R1119 should say "kisses or is kissed". But it doesn't.

Save Fnord!

CnH

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:39:14 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Game of Questions 

Anyone ever watch the show "Whose line is it anyway?" a UK show? It has a
similar game and it is much fun.

CnH

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:18:54 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  RFC Tammany reform

MOhammed spake thusly
> 
>  RFC Tammany Reform
> 
> Rule 315/10 ("Tammany") is amended to read, in full:
> ---
> Tammany is a unique entity capable of cating one vote on each
> Proposal.  Tammany only votes on Proposals as specified by this Rule.

Should Tammany be 'unowned' as well?

> Before the voting results for a given Proposal are announced, the
> Tabulator has the Duty of determining whether and how Tammany will
> vote on this Proposal, based upon the valid Tammany Bribes for that
> Proposal and the specifications below in this Rule.  Tammany's vote
> and all Tammany Bribes pertaining to a Proposal shall be reported
> along with the voting results for the Proposal.

You may want to put in something about the latest time a Tammany
bribe can be accepted.  Currently, it says any time up until
the results are distributedd, meaning the Tabulator has to make
sure eir mailbox is empty of possibleBribes before e can 
distribute the results safely.  I know I sent a Tammany bribe in
before the results were announced but after the voting period
had already ended for the proposal.

On another note, are you thinking of perhaps merging in the
Tammany stuff with the current Acrobot?  Or were you going
to keep that being done by hand?

fnord

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:21:00 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Undead

snowgod spake thusly
> 
> >  If everyone's at the celebration, why do the undead go to the _house_?
> >
> >-Red Barn
> 
> Hehehe... He must not be celebrating, bah humbug that he is :)

Hey, I was celebrating, Iwas busy writing my poem of 
congratulations when the message came in that the undead
went to my house.  Notice it never said I was there
to greet them?

fnord

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:04:53 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1669

Proposal 1669
ee Breakfast
Jammer

Author  Jammer  AKA John-Martin Lotz

This is neither a modest nor a grandeous proposal

Any player who holds an functional office is allowed
one time per office per cycle to declare any one
action of theirs to not have occured.  This rule may only
be invoked if  the action has not affected the game
state.

For the puposes of this rule, the game state changes
if the rules change, any hearing is held AND a vedict is
passed down, or if an entity is created or destroyed.

This rule is invoked by the player quoting the post
which stated the action occured, then saying "Yumm
feathers taste good, this never happened."

If the rule is invoked, all activity related to this action
cease, the approriate records state the player 
took advantage of the "Free Breakfast" rule
and play continues as if the action never occured.

{This is frankly a reward and appreciation for the hard 
work put in by the functional officers,  It gives them
a break}

{This proposal would not go back and change something
that occured in the past, but rather stop an action in its tracks}

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:06:57 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany? 

At 01:48 PM 23-01-97 -0500, A.K.A. TheWiz wrote:
>> We need to boldly discover more Nomics. It should be one of our top
>> priorities. I'd like to add it to the goals of the Harf party.
>
>  This is somewhat off-topic, but the Internomic definition of a Nomic is
>"a game with self-modifying rules".  Shouldn't that specify that it must
>have a few people in it?  Otherwise we could create a few "dummy" Nomics
>and use them to stuff the Internomic ballots...

I think it would be interesting to have actual emabassies in other nomics,
along with resident ambassadors. But before that we need to go out and find
nomics that are alive and well. This would be most interesting. I'm going to
make a proposal about this.

CnH
or maybe tons of props... got to get to 100 failed before snowgod   :)

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:07:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Tammany reform

> Should Tammany be 'unowned' as well?
	Yes.  Good call.

> You may want to put in something about the latest time a Tammany
> bribe can be accepted.
	Hmm.  I don't want to make things harder for myself though.  I'd 
rather have the legal bribe period extend to the time the results go out.

> On another note, are you thinking of perhaps merging in the
> Tammany stuff with the current Acrobot?  Or were you going
> to keep that being done by hand?
	Acrobot.  I can't do that legally, yet, because of the strictness
of the rule as is.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:12:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: new bot command

> >You can now retract proposals using the retract command:
> I get the hint. Thanks.   :)
	*grin*  That was not directed at anyone in particular, CNH... we 
all love you...

	By the way, ***Everyone Still has to Announce All Retractions
Publicly***.  Doing #retract on the acrobot does not generate any mail,
only an entry in my private log.  The rules demand a public announcement!

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:16:59 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I accept.

>
>Eponimondas, the first webtv registrant.  The resignation was posted
>by one of the other aliases, and I'm asserting that this doesn't succeed
>in deregistering the others.  
>

Hmm.  Hmm, again.  If the *player* is deregistered ... I don't know.  Is
this more interesting than it seems on the surface?  Who was the player,
"Joan of Arkansas", or "'Zelda B. Morris'"?  If 'Zelda', then it seems all
her Ackanomic names should de-register with her.  If "Joan" ... then she
wasn't really registered more than once (so it seems the player must be
"Zelda").

- -mr cwm
 looking forward to an appeal

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:18:56 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany?

I still think Internomic should join itself.

- -mr cwm
 member of (None Yet)

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, T Joffrain wrote:

>At 01:48 PM 23-01-97 -0500, A.K.A. TheWiz wrote:
>>> We need to boldly discover more Nomics. It should be one of our top
>>> priorities. I'd like to add it to the goals of the Harf party.
>>
>>  This is somewhat off-topic, but the Internomic definition of a Nomic is
>>"a game with self-modifying rules".  Shouldn't that specify that it must
>>have a few people in it?  Otherwise we could create a few "dummy" Nomics
>>and use them to stuff the Internomic ballots...
>
>I think it would be interesting to have actual emabassies in other nomics,
>along with resident ambassadors. But before that we need to go out and find
>nomics that are alive and well. This would be most interesting. I'm going to
>make a proposal about this.
>
>CnH
>or maybe tons of props... got to get to 100 failed before snowgod   :)
>
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:19:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Boons

> Mohammed:   a stocking full of coal :)
	Figures.  :o)

	I am willing to trade my newly acquired Bonus Vote for A$250 cash 
or swap it for an Electronic Potato.  This is not meant as a trade offer 
as per R515, just an informal expression of intent to sell.

- --Mohammed
Inventor

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:22:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: A Nomic in... Poland? And Germany?

> I seem to remember that Kelly Martin was a member of a nomic called
> Pnomic, simultaneously with Ackanomic....
	I was also a member of pnomic when I lost net access for the 
summer.  It is a coincidence.  Kelly ran pnomic, and it was an 
English-language game.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:23:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: What happens to Fnord

> >       Any player publicly that kisses an undead cannot cast votes for 4

> I note that a scandal is currently occuring.  Of all things, fnord kissing,

	I don't think so.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:25:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Tammany reform

> way, because then your money essentially counts double.  It's not real
> important, but if it doesn't make things too complicated, I'd like to see
> SILENT kept.
	I'll keep it.  It's not so bad.

- --Mohammed

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