Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #469
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Tuesday, January 21 1997       Volume 01 : Number 469

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:04:16 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1656

Proposal 1656
Generic Proposal Title #1656
Niccolo Flychuck

A proposal to create a rule as a member of the Party Chess Rule Suite
entitled "Creation of a PartyChessPiece Demon" which contains the
following the text:

"
1. A Demon is represented by the ASCII Character D
2. When the square the Demon currently occupies (R,C) is in the 
   range 5<R<15, e<C<o (that is between columns e and o, exclusive)
   it can move a distance of exactly 1 in any given direction, when the 
   square the Demon is on is not included in the above range, the Demon
   can move a distance of exactly 2 squares in any given direction.
3. A Demon is promotable. A Demon can be promoted only if and only if 
    there exist two friendly pieces of the same type (as each other,
    not necessarily the Demon), X and Y such that 
    (xR<R<yR /AND/ xC<C<yC) /OR/ (xR<R<yR /AND/ xC>C>yC) /AND/ the 
    distance between those two pieces is equal too or smaller than 10.
   A Demon can only be Promoted if the Swinger controling the Demon has 
   just Moved or Captured. It cannot be Promoted following a Placement
   or a Pass.

4. A Demon's materail value is 2

{{[With the new restrictions in section 3, I think that the two pawn
   situations is not very likely.]}}

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:04:17 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1657

Proposal 1657
Fix Guy Fakeks Gambit for multiple check
Niccolo Flychuck

This is a Modest proposal.

In R 1230.2
Append to section 3 D (iv)(e) the following text:
" In any Swinger remain in a state of chech for two consecutive
  iterations of 
 A Special DD-Turn. Then the Chess-Umpire declares that Swinger to have 
 Surrendered, and all pieces of that Swinger immediately become off-board.
 This does not change the value of cp."

Append to section 3 D (iv), preceding section 3 D (iv) (a) the following
text:
"When it is required that an Assitant Chess-Umpire be appointed, the
appointed must be made as soon as possible, and the turn begins as soon as
the Assistant Chess-Umpire is appointed."

{{[The first addresses something that Guy Fawkes pointed out, which is
that the current language allows a single Swinger to fillibuster the
entire move by keeping eirself in checkma and thus forcing a massive
Surrender. GF's suggestion was to ammend this to allow Swingers to be
checked by other swingers then the ones they were checked by at the
begining of the move. I opposed this, because it would have allowed
checked swingers to to make moves that would have otherwise been illegal.
This ammendment removes Swingers who can't can't out of this state of
check

The second fixes a point that might have cost all checked Swingers an
iteration]}}

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:05:22 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 102

Jason Orendorff wrote:

> > For once I don't use the long form to create a rule and this is what
> > happens.
>         I am calling for a politeness moon Hearing on Niccolo Flychuck for
> this very rude statement.

Hearing 102 - Politeness Moon vs Niccolo Flychuck.  The responses are:

"Yes, it was polite."
"No, it was not polite."

Vote by replying to this post.

Count Tabula

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:03:12 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New mailing list 

At 3:48 PM on 1/21/97, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> > A public forum is a forum everyone can subscribe. acka-research,
> > acka-finance, acka-chess, are all public forums, and not all players
> > subscribe to them.
>     I don't think I can express in a single post how vehemently I am
> against this, so I won't try.

  I agree.  Perhaps if there were some sort of "it's a public forum only
for the purpose of rule whatever" clause attatched.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:06:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 103

Uri Bruck wrote:

> There's an entire tradition and culture behind a statement of the sort I
> made, which is an obvious criticism on myself. I think Mohammed's
> statement is very rude and I am calling a Politeness Moon on Mohammed for
> _that_ statement.

Hearing 103 - Politeness Moon vs Mohammed.  The responses are:

"Yes, it was polite."
"No, it was not polite."

Vote by replying to this post.

Count Tabula

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:12:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 1656 (correction)

> Proposal 1656
> Generic Proposal Title #1656
> Niccolo Flychuck
	Oh ear... I'm so sorry about this.  :o(
	WebHarfer, please note the proper title of this proposal is 
"Creation of a PartyChessPiece Demon -"

	[Explanation-- The extra - is not sufficient to make this a
different name from the previous proposal because the bot reduces all
names and titles to short forms before it will even think about
doing anything significant with them.  If I ask for information about
"dev-joe" it finds "/dev/joe" because both names have the same short
form, "devjoe".
	The short form of a name is obtained by removing articles, then 
removing non-alphanumeric characters, then converting uppercase to 
lowercase.]

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:18:50 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (Red Barn) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: CFCJ 120 Verdict 

> I feel so redundant
>
> Niccolo Flychuck
> Mentor
> :)

  If you want something to do, you might see about figuring out if I can
use some sort of inverse-causality to retroactively become a CF-S... :)

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:22:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  stressed out

> > > For once I don't use the long form to create a rule and this is what
> > > happens.
	I wish I could retract that.  I didn't read it right.  :o(
	I would like to apologize to Niccolo Flychuck for being so hasty, 
and to Malenkai for all the work I just created.  :o(

- --Mohammed
repentant

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:19:00 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (Red Barn) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1653 

> > For once I don't use the long form to create a rule and this is what
> > happens.
>     I am calling for a politeness moon Hearing on Niccolo Flychuck for
> this very rude statement.
>
> --Mohammed

  All over again... With all due respect, (to stop this here) I am calling
for a politeness moon Hearing on Mohammed.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:24:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1622 rejected (Justices Do Not Rock)

> Interesting that the Tabulator would forget to vote on his own proposal...
	Yup.  :o(  I thought it would probably be dubious to go through 
and vote on everything so long after the voting periods already ended 
though.
	Oh well, it wouldn't have made a difference.  I would like to 
offer my thanks to everyone who voted YES.  We need more instability in 
this government.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:03:57 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Primes

1) Would someone please volunteer as a prime number harfer and
check the passed proposal numbers for primeness?  I wonder if the
bot could do this automatically in the future.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:12:39 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Primes 

At 8:03 PM on 1/21/97, Malenkai wrote:

> 1) Would someone please volunteer as a prime number harfer and
> check the passed proposal numbers for primeness?  I wonder if the
> bot could do this automatically in the future.

  My HP, the king of all calculators, has a nifty program that I wrote the
other night to do this... which proposals just passed?  I'll get to work on
it, anyway...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:30:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Big Awards ceremony

Before a crowd of tens of Ackanomians, I first present Mohammed with
his second Silver Stripe.  But then comes the main event, something
the elders once thought would never happen, on this, the last day of the
first year of Ackanomic's existence.  Malenkai steps up on stage,
surrenders his collection of Gold and Silver Stripes, and in their
place, I award him a Ruby Slipper.

All hail the first ever Commander of the Blue Cross, 4 time winner of
Ackanomic, the architect of Ackanomic's win of the first cycle of
Internomic, author of 180 accepted proposals, MALENKAI!

/dev/joe
Senator, /dev/senate3

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:25:44 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (Red Barn) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Primes 

  Well, assuming that the proposals archive is completely up-to-date, we
have the following prime-numbered recently accepted proposals:

  1619, 1621, 1627

  Note please that I only looked in the 1600s and above, and also that I
have no way of knowing, short of checking the archives, which of these
might already have been found prime.  So I hope that this helps.

  Happy Birthday, Ackanomic!

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:36:53 -6:00
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Internomic: If there were paradoxes we'd win again.

> >Status: U
> >
> >>As requested by Snowgod, I hereby distribute SFJ 5, so we have it
> >>judged in the case I am still Moderator too.
> >>
> >>Unfortunately my coin came up different than Snowgod's did, and I
> >>have randomly chosen AckaNomic to judge it. I just hope both Nomics
> >>will obtain the same judgement...
> >
> >Oh, glory.     8-o
> >
> >Think what this means.  If Ackanomic judges TRUE, then Andre is not
> >moderator, so this is not a valid assignment, but Acka's assignment of the
> >SFJ to Agora is effective.  Then should Agora judge FALSE (as I'm inclined,
> >personally), it follows that Acka's assignment was ineffective and Andre's
> >was the correct one. But then Acka's judgement of TRUE is the one to
> >follow.   But then...
> >
> >This has a real chance of becoming a permanently unresolveable question.
> >Perhaps we can put our heads together and avoid this?
> >
> >Regards,
> >-- elJefe, Agoran Liaison
> >
It seems the wisdom of Pheobe that I reported was not all that bogus. 
 Perhaps everyone has rushed to judgement.

Techno

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:58:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Spelling Bee

Just maintaining the new rule changes in preparation for Happy Bee Day:

In Rule 1630:
  In section 3, change "undead's" to "undeads" and change "unluckly" to
    "unlucky".
  In section 5, change "commemerating" to "commemorating" and
    change "congratuling" to "congratulating".

/dev/joe
Web-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:06:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 333 (snowgod)

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 333
  Subject: Birthday Goose
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: snowgod (selected Jan 21, 1997, 21:06h EST)
Judgement:

Statement:

The legality of the President delivering the speech mandated by Rule
1630, section 5, after the players have received their Boons of the
Ancients gifts for wishing Acka Happy Birthday per R 1630, section 4,
in the general case where at least one player fails to wish Acka Happy
Birthday, cannot be determmed with finality.

Malenkai's Reasoning:
 
> Rule 1630
> Happy Birthday Ackanomic!

[...]

> Happy Bee Day festivities start on January 22, and continue until 12
> noon  on the following day. It is considered good form for each player
> to publically wish happy birthday greeting to Ackanomic at some
> point during the festivities.
> 
> During Happy Bee Day festivities, the following things will happen and in
> this order:

[by rule 380, the festivities start at 12:00 EST]

> 3) The undead's of all dead players will gather at the house of one
> unluckly player and cheer as one of them kisses him.  This player will be
> randomly selected from a list of players who have not publically wished
> happy birthday greetings to ackanomic.

This step can occur any time after 12:00 Noon.  The next 2 steps mandated
to happen in "this order" are:
 
> 4) Every Player who has publically wished happy birthday greetings to
> Ackanomic shall recieve a Boon of the Ancients.

> 5) The president shall make a speech commemerating the end of another
> Happy Bee Day and congratuling Ackanomic, and her players, for growing
> one year older.

Game custom requires that a non-paradoxical construction be favored over
a paradoxical one.  Although I find paradox difficult to avoid in this
rule, "has" must be rendered to be "has up until the point the Boons
are bestowed".  Therefore, any happy birthdays after the prez's speech
do not get boons.  Any other rendering leads to paradox straightaway...   

However, two points:

1) The prez must wait until the Boons are bestowed to speak.
2) Any players who wish happy birthay after the first round of Boons
will receive Boons, because we are still at step 4, note the keyword
"Every", but the prez must wait until all Boons are bestowed.  Paradox.

Again trying to find a non-paradoxical interpretation (doing handwaving
at this point, as this interpretion is "not as reasonable" as the
paradoxical one in the rules) leads us to the prez shall speak after
one round of Boons have been bestowed,

AGAIN:

and anyone wishing happy birthday after the Boons are bestowed does
not get a Boon.  But, the rule says *Every player [wishing]*, therefore
the prez did an impossible [by R 713] act by trying to speak before the
Boons for these latecomers have been bestowed, and therefore must hang
until after the second round has been bestowed, and back to AGAIN,
and so on.

How long does the prez wait?  The premise stated that not all players
have said happy birthday yet, and this is the general case, not a
hypothtical case, and is the case that will occur, because not all
players will wish at the same time.  Eventually the festivities end,
at step 6, *but not until the prez has spoken*!.  

As the fact that the festivities end after the prez speaks is later in
the rule than the clause that says they end at noon the next day, as is
the clause that says the steps are done in order; the later clauses have
precedence over the clause about the festivities ending the next day,
by R 210.  Even if they are construed to end January 23 at noon, the
prez in asymptotically squoze up against the end, with indeterminate
legality, but the precedence rule rules out this case anyway.

I challenge the judge to untangle the chain of events on this rule,
in the case specified in the statement, the case that will happen,
without handwaving or paradox.
     
Loose ends:

1) The initiator wins the cycle in accordance with R 219 on a verdict
of true.

2) The president making the speech has a material effect on the game
state, just like dangling houses or chewing the gumball, as it is an
action mandated by the rules, for which failure to perform leads to a
game state where a CFCJ against the prez would be judged true versus
a game state where such a CFCJ would be judged false.

3) Clearly, the temporal modifier to apply to when Happy Birthay wishing 
counts is after the festivities have started, due to the first
paragraph in the rule quoted above, but that matters not for this
argument (I'm just trying to clarify that only wishes after 12:00 Noon
count for the purposes of how to handle this rule, as this CFJ came
when trying to write an official post explaining the chain of events,
and simply asking players to put "Birthday" in their subject line!
BTW, still do that, please :)).

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:21:58 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Big Awards ceremony

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Malenkai steps up on stage,
> surrenders his collection of Gold and Silver Stripes, and in their
> place, I award him a Ruby Slipper.

Thanks.  If only this could have been delayed until after CFJ 333 ;).
I'd just like to thank people for voting for all those proposals, and
for all the people who play and work to make this game a reality.

I certainly cannot imagine myself getting another one, unless we want
the ruleset to be 2 meg or so ;)

Malenkai
does anyone have a ruby slipper gif?

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:25:48 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing 104

Dan Knapp (Red Barn) wrote:

>   All over again... With all due respect, (to stop this here) I am calling
> for a politeness moon Hearing on Mohammed.

Hearing 104 - Politeness Moon vs Mohammed.  The responses are:

"Yes, it was polite."
"No, it was not polite."

Vote by replying to this post.

Count Tabula

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:30:47 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1621 accepted (Gift Gadgets)

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1621
> Gift Gadgets
> Mohammed

According to the prime number harfer, this proposal triggers
an Otzma day.  P 1627 does not, because there is some sort of 
time limit between them, I believe.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:33:31 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary

[email-masked] wrote:

> 3)  A book of legal opinions.

I vote for 3.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:44:06 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: 1652

Did anyone get P 1652?  Now that the rules require sequential
numbering, I'm not sure how this situation is handled.  Anyone?

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:51:09 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Processing Chips

Processing Chips

p1621 +1 /dev/joe
p1623 +1 Mohammed
p1630 +3 snowgod

Malenkai +6 A$ p1624-27 electronic potato

Note, I will stop sending processing chips announcements
to the public forum unless someone speaks up and asks me to
continue doing so.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:56:05 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Happy Birthday!

Salutations!!

		I would like to wish Ackanomic a truly happy birthday.  Here's hoping
we survive the rulings generated by it. :)  I also want to wish snowgod
luck on unraveling CFJ333.  Best Wishes, everyone!

		Regards,
			Strider

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:59:20 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

I am creating a treasure that consists of 10 processing chips,
and burying it (don't laugh, I have another treasure in mind that
will make them useful).

The Treasure will be found by the first player to send me a gif
of a ruby slipper for the players page that meets all of the
following conditions:

1) It looks like a ruby slipper and I use it on the page
2) It is 54x54 with a transparent background
3) It is non-copyrighted material (or at least its sender assures me
that it is)

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:16:18 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (Red Barn) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: CFJ 333 (snowgod) 

> The legality of the President delivering the speech mandated by Rule
> 1630, section 5, after the players have received their Boons of the
> Ancients gifts for wishing Acka Happy Birthday per R 1630, section 4,
> in the general case where at least one player fails to wish Acka Happy
> Birthday, cannot be determmed with finality.

  Farewell, oh cycle, we hardly knew thee...

  Actually, though, suppose the Pres. makes his speech exactly at the end
of the festivities (I'd think his speech would end the festivities,
actually)?

  And, too, game custom might state (?) that the use of "every" allows some
boons to be granted after the President's speech, assuming the festivities
haven't ended yet.  Ah, game custom, the universal savior.  Then again, the
explicit "in this order" probably stops that escape.

  But, if anything, I'd say that as things stand now, most likely the
President's speech is just plain illegal.  (Of course, nothing's stopping
him from making a speech for no particular reason...)

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:18:39 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Processing Chips 

> Note, I will stop sending processing chips announcements
> to the public forum unless someone speaks up and asks me to
> continue doing so.

  Continue doing so, would you?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:25:39 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Acka: Treasure 

> I am creating a treasure that consists of 10 processing chips,
> and burying it (don't laugh, I have another treasure in mind that
> will make them useful).

  Espescially keep telling us in light of this...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:41:59 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1630 accepted (Birthday 1) 

>Proposal 1630
>Happy Birthday Ackanomic!
>snowgod
>
>Votes cast by active players:  12 / 20 = 60.000000%
>Yes:  8    No:  4     Present:  0   ...Proposal is accepted.

I bribed Tammany with A$10 on this proposal, I think.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:59:28 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> I am creating a treasure that consists of 10 processing chips,
> and burying it (don't laugh, I have another treasure in mind that
> will make them useful).

/dev/joe has found this treasure.  The map was as below.

Malenkai
- -------- 
> The Treasure will be found by the first player to send me a gif
> of a ruby slipper for the players page that meets all of the
> following conditions:
> 
> 1) It looks like a ruby slipper and I use it on the page
> 2) It is 54x54 with a transparent background
> 3) It is non-copyrighted material (or at least its sender assures me
> that it is)
> 
> Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:03:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 333 (snowgod)

> Call For Judgement 333
>   Subject: Birthday Goose
> Initiator: Malenkai
>     Judge: snowgod (selected Jan 21, 1997, 21:06h EST)

Sometimes I think the CotC is rigging the judge selections. :-)

> Statement:
> 
> The legality of the President delivering the speech mandated by Rule
> 1630, section 5, after the players have received their Boons of the
> Ancients gifts for wishing Acka Happy Birthday per R 1630, section 4,
> in the general case where at least one player fails to wish Acka Happy
> Birthday, cannot be determmed with finality.

From Rule 1630:
> During Happy Bee Day festivities, the following things will happen and in
> this order:
 [...]
> 3) The undeads of all dead players will gather at the house of one
> unlucky player and cheer as one of them kisses him.  This player will be
> randomly selected from a list of players who have not publically wished
> happy birthday greetings to ackanomic.
> 
> 4) Every Player who has publically wished happy birthday greetings to
> Ackanomic shall recieve a Boon of the Ancients.
> 
> 5) The president shall make a speech commemorating the end of another Happy
> Bee Day and congratulating Ackanomic, and her players, for growing one year
> older.
> 
> 6) Festivities will end.

Steps 3 and 4 happen as the Officer in Charge of Random Things announces
the random determinations.

Any time that all the players who have thus far wished happy birthday
to Ackanomic have received their boons, (4) is complete, and the
president can make his speech and end the festivities.

Whether (4) stays complete if more players wish happy birthday before
the president speaks, or if this means the OiCoRT must assign more
boons before the president can speak is not clear; maybe our judge
will help decide this.

I certainly don't see anything in here that looks like a paradox,
although the rule certainly isn't very well written.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1622 rejected (Justices Do Not Rock) 

>Proposal 1622
>In Which Justices Do Not Rock
>Mohammed
>
>Votes cast by active players:  15 / 20 = 75.000000%
>Yes:  4    No:  11     Present:  0   ...Proposal is rejected.
>
>
>YES votes:
>	Habeous Corpus
>	Niccolo Flychuck
>	Swann
>	Lestrade
>
>NO votes:
>	mr cwm
>	/dev/joe
>	Bascule
>	Calvin N Hobbes
>	Strider
>	fnord
>	breadbox
>	snowgod
>	ThinMan
>	Techno
>	Malenkai
>
>PRESENT votes:
>
>Active players who did not vote:
>	Mohammed
>	Robert Sevin
>	Clairence
>	Guy Fawkes
>	AirHead

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:03:41 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Malenkai wrote:
> >
> > I am creating a treasure that consists of 10 processing chips,
> > and burying it (don't laugh, I have another treasure in mind that
> > will make them useful).
> 
> /dev/joe has found this treasure.  The map was as below.

Other players have submitted gifs as well.  I had no idea
how fast people could do these things.  In any case, I 
apologize to anyone who submitted a gif after /dev/joe's.

This is a fast paced game.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1622 rejected (Justices Do Not Rock) 

>Proposal 1622
>In Which Justices Do Not Rock
>Mohammed
>
>Votes cast by active players:  15 / 20 = 75.000000%
>Yes:  4    No:  11     Present:  0   ...Proposal is rejected.
>
>
>YES votes:
>	Habeous Corpus
>	Niccolo Flychuck
>	Swann
>	Lestrade
>
>NO votes:
>	mr cwm
>	/dev/joe
>	Bascule
>	Calvin N Hobbes
>	Strider
>	fnord
>	breadbox
>	snowgod
>	ThinMan
>	Techno
>	Malenkai

I bribed Tammany with A$5 follars (it think)  to produce a vote of NO mon
this one.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1623 accepted (Numbering Rules) 

>Jason Orendorff wrote:
>>
>> Proposal 1623
>
>> Active players who did not vote:
>>         Clairence
>
>Clairence is not active.
>
>Malenkai

Just for clarification,

Clairence voted on two proposals and became active before falling victim to
R362 and being forced onto involintary vacation.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Fat Lady 

>> How'd you end up in Gaol?  I missed it.
>
>  Actually, I'm not there _yet_, but if all does not go well, I will be soon.
>
>  As a result of CFCJ 120 - for trying to change my name to "Chess nuts
>boasting in an open foyer".  It's too long, therefore rather than _being_ a
>crime, I've _committed_ a crime.  Not quite what I had in mind.  At the
>time I was trying to become a Crazy French-Scotsman, so I needed to lose
>money/points.  Therefore I said "I believe this was quite a serious crime,
>and there should be some monetary penalty, as well."  The judge, taking me
>at my word, sentenced me to a 10-line apology, a A$50 fine, and 5 days in
>Gaol.
>
>  See what you can get into if you're not careful?
>
>-Red Barn

As Gaoler, I'd like to inform you that your not in gaol yet, but will be
after your three day grace period ends.  You have until that time to file
an appeal with the Supreme Court.  Of course, you could also run to
Cowtown...

and of gourse, just like brinjal before me, I am open to the possibility of
bribes.

snowgod
ackanomic's premeir ciriminal
gaoler

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Player (mentor: mr cwm) 

Ackanomians,

We have yet another new player in the game!  Her RL name is Zelda B. Morris
and her email address is [email-masked] (We must have got some good
press on web TV). mr cwm has been selected as her mentor.  She has chosen
Joan of Arkansas as her official Ackanomic name.

In reply to the Poll question she wrote:

"... and I heard about y'all from the WebTv Games Pages."

We welcome her to Ackanomic!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:01:47 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Big Awards ceremony 

>Before a crowd of tens of Ackanomians, I first present Mohammed with
>his second Silver Stripe.  But then comes the main event, something
>the elders once thought would never happen, on this, the last day of the
>first year of Ackanomic's existence.  Malenkai steps up on stage,
>surrenders his collection of Gold and Silver Stripes, and in their
>place, I award him a Ruby Slipper.
>
>All hail the first ever Commander of the Blue Cross, 4 time winner of
>Ackanomic, the architect of Ackanomic's win of the first cycle of
>Internomic, author of 180 accepted proposals, MALENKAI!
>
>/dev/joe
>Senator, /dev/senate3

All Hail Malenkai!

Hip Hip Hooray!  Hip Hip Hooray!  Hip Hip Hooray!

snowgod
who feels puny with just a silver stripe :)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:08:34 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure 

> Other players have submitted gifs as well.  I had no idea
> how fast people could do these things.  In any case, I
> apologize to anyone who submitted a gif after /dev/joe's.
>
> This is a fast paced game.

  ... and mine would've been faster, w/o the 10 minutes to download a GIF
converter, too...

  I wanted to see /dev/joe's GIF, but it's not up yet!  Please, stop
reading your email and put it on the page!  ::)

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:11:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 333 (snowgod)

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Whether (4) stays complete if more players wish happy birthday before
> the president speaks, or if this means the OiCoRT must assign more
> boons before the president can speak is not clear; maybe our judge
> will help decide this.

The problem comes from the fact that the president must wait 
until all the boons have been awarded, and every player who makes
the wish is entitled to a boon.  Since the president cannot know
with finality which, if any, of the players who have not yet wished
for a boon will do so, the president is stuck hanging in an 
indeterminate state, knowing up to the last second that someone may
still yet wish for a boon.  However, it could be the case that no one
wishes for a boon, making it possible, but unknowable, whether the
president can legally proceed.  The problem is alleviated once *everyone*
wishes for a boon, but until then, it is indeterminate.  The CFJ excludes
the unrealistic everyone case.  

The key is the "in order" in the top, and "every", in section 4.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:17:20 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (Red Barn) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: To new players... 

  I would like to encourage all new players to look up Rule 1448 (go to the
Ackanomic home page at "http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/"), and
take advantage of it!

  Wahahahaha... Red Barn's REVENGE!!!!!

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:23:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Player (mentor: mr cwm)

Phil Ackley wrote:

> "... and I heard about y'all from the WebTv Games Pages."

Can anyone give me the URL of this page, or is access restricted
to from within the webtv.net domain?  I was looking for this the
other day and could not find it.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:25:09 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: To new players... 

At 11:17 PM 21-01-97 -0500, Red Barn wrote:
>  I would like to encourage all new players to look up Rule 1448 (go to the
>Ackanomic home page at "http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/"), and
>take advantage of it!
>
>  Wahahahaha... Red Barn's REVENGE!!!!!

Don't you mean... syndrome?

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:29:26 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: To new players... 

>  I would like to encourage all new players to look up Rule 1448 (go to the
>Ackanomic home page at "http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/"), and
>take advantage of it!
>
>  Wahahahaha... Red Barn's REVENGE!!!!!
>
>-Red Barn

Let's skip the grace period and throw him right into the Gaol....

Then we'll throw away the key and torch the gaol for good measure.  And if
he still isn't done we'll dangle him, and then cut his teather and push,
and poor, poor Red Barn would be stuck out there on the edges of the
universe.

snowgod
not afraid to speak the truth :)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:27:21 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Building a Gadget

I am building a Scroll of Crumble.  It will be done in 3 days.

Malenkai
Wizard
who senses gadget inflation

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:24:44 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Player (mentor: mr cwm) 

At 11:23 PM on 1/21/97, Malenkai wrote:

> Phil Ackley wrote:
>
> > "... and I heard about y'all from the WebTv Games Pages."
>
> Can anyone give me the URL of this page, or is access restricted
> to from within the webtv.net domain?  I was looking for this the
> other day and could not find it.

  I, too, tried to find it, but couldn't.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:33:49 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Building a Gadget 

>I am building a Scroll of Crumble.  It will be done in 3 days.
>
>Malenkai
>Wizard
>who senses gadget inflation

I posted a message a couple of months ago concerning my intent to purchase
scrolls of Crumble.  My offer still stands.  I will purchase any (and all)
scorlls of crumble that are floating around out ther for A$200 a piece.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:30:12 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: To new players... 

> Don't you mean... syndrome?
>
> Calvin N Hobbes
- ---------------------------------------
> Let's skip the grace period and throw him right into the Gaol....
>
> Then we'll throw away the key and torch the gaol for good measure.  And if
> he still isn't done we'll dangle him, and then cut his teather and push,
> and poor, poor Red Barn would be stuck out there on the edges of the
> universe.
>
> snowgod
> not afraid to speak the truth :)

  OK, let's see here... I won't call a Politeness Moon hearing, that would
be too kind...
  ... I have it!  I'll propose that anyone who never uses a Complaint get
fined!  That'll do it!  Oh, and then I can get 20 people to join, just to
pass it...

  ...  hehehehehehe ...

- -Red Barn

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:31:39 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Building a Gadget 

> I posted a message a couple of months ago concerning my intent to purchase
> scrolls of Crumble.  My offer still stands.  I will purchase any (and all)
> scorlls of crumble that are floating around out ther for A$200 a piece.

  I'll pay A$220 to the first taker.

- -Red Barn

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:43:10 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 333 (snowgod)

Malenkai wrote:
> Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> > Whether (4) stays complete if more players wish happy birthday before
> > the president speaks, or if this means the OiCoRT must assign more
> > boons before the president can speak is not clear; maybe our judge
> > will help decide this.
> 
> The problem comes from the fact that the president must wait 
> until all the boons have been awarded, and every player who makes
> the wish is entitled to a boon.  Since the president cannot know
> with finality which, if any, of the players who have not yet wished
> for a boon will do so, the president is stuck hanging in an 
> indeterminate state, knowing up to the last second that someone may
> still yet wish for a boon. 

> The key is the "in order" in the top, and "every", in section 4.

The more I look at it, the more it looks like my first interpretation
must be correct.

Step 4 says:
> 4) Every Player who has publically wished happy birthday greetings to
> Ackanomic shall recieve a Boon of the Ancients.

Note the "has wished" in this step.  Only those players who have already
made their wish by the time boons are given out get one.  

The top part says:
> During Happy Bee Day festivities, the following things will happen and in
> this order:

If we suppose that only Malenkai, snowgod, and I have wished Ackanomic
a happy birthday by the time Malenkai does (3), and that he then
immediately does (4), selecting boons for each of the three of us,
then (4) has happened.  Every player who has publically wished happy
birthday greetings to Ackanomic has recieved a Boon of the Ancients.
If more people wish happy birthday later, this doesn't change the fact
that (4) *has happened* at some time in the past, even if it is no
longer true.

Certainly, at any time that all players who have wished happy birthday
have received their boon, it is legal for the president to go on with
step 5, and if more players later wish happy birthday, it doesn't change
the fact that the president's action was legal at the time he did it
(and it also doesn't get them boons).

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:55:08 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PF stuff

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> This is unofficial, of course, but I think it's right.

They are now official.  Also, there is a log of the last bond
cycle available.  With Joan of Arkansas joining, the total A$
in circulation is A$ 34857, not counting Trinkets.

Who said that A$75,000 was infinity for all practical purposes?
We may have an end of cycle tax at the end of this cycle, unless
CFJ 333 or those Whamiols make it a short cycle :).

In any case, the player page will be posted soon.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:35:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Public Gatherings 

Near is I can figure, we are still in a Public Gathering at which frinking
is allowed, and I am the bartender.  Malenkai and Strider have both
partaken, though neither have partaken anywhere near their maximum.  I urge
each of you to sit back, relax, and enjoy this happy bee day with a fine
beverage from the Frobozz magic Beverage Company, Ackanomic Division.

I'll be happy to take your order.

snowgod

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