Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #464
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Ackanomic Digest       Monday, January 20 1997       Volume 01 : Number 464

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:59:12 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Prosthetic Forehead

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> I am now wearing the forehead given to me by Strider.
> 
> Malenkai
> convicted felon

	Behold Malenkai! His expanded cranium must surely contain one of the
greatest minds in Ackanomic.  Witness his brilliance!  All hail
Malenkai!

				Strider

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:08:30 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearings (Red Barn, Bascule, snowgod) 

As allowed by R1305, I am running to the Church of the Markovian Dream.

I also issue two SOS for Red Barn.

>Red Barn Witchhunt (ends Monday Jan 20th 12:47) 
>Red Barn Witchhunt (ends Monday Jan 20th 02:04) 

I also encourage Bascule and snowgod, as member of the church, to go grab
the altar by the horns, as I will be doing in my next message.

>Bascule Witchhunt (ends Tuesday Jan 21st 10:13) 
>snowgod Witchhunt (ends Monday Jan 20th 12:50) 

CNH

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:10:17 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearings (Red Barn, Bascule, snowgod) 

As allowed by R1305, I am holding the Altar by the Horns.

CNH
safe at last

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:32:34 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearings

On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Here is a list of all the current hearings from the web page.  If
> you have not voted, or voted ambigiously, you can reply to this with
> your votes.  I have also restructured my operation so I can handle
> more hearings if you want, but on a non-work-related basis it still 
> seems like alot, IMHO.  I simply don't want my capacity to be the *only*
> reason to call a hearing, so gfi.  (And to Mohammed I apologize for
> being short; just because you read your e-mail late does not mean you
> should not be able toparticipate).

How about ammending it so that the person calling the witch hunt would be
the witch finder general (although I'd prefer to do away with witch hunts
entirely)

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:00:12 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Primes 

  For everyone's information...

  Currently pending prime-numbered proposals are:
    1621 (Gift Gadgets)
    1627 (Tweaking Silly Vacation Hats)
    1637 (Changing Changing Player Names)

  The next few prime numbers after 1637 are:
    1657, 1663, 1667, 1669, 1693, and 1697.

  1999 is a prime number.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 22:48:37 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observer 

>> Especially with Red Barn wreaking havoc!
>>
>> snowgod
>
>  You still owe me a limerick, you know.  Or have you forfieted the title
>of "Waster of the Most Bandwidth"?
>
>-Red Barn

Yeah, but Iwill submit no limerick before its time and mine is still
brewing and stewing, and ripening to bring you ultimate defeat.

snowgod
who probably should have said this through his second

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:47:56 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observer 

> Yeah, but Iwill submit no limerick before its time and mine is still
> brewing and stewing, and ripening to bring you ultimate defeat.

  Thou shalt not defeat me, thou cad!
  (The 13th commandment)

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:59:23 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observer 

>> Yeah, but Iwill submit no limerick before its time and mine is still
>> brewing and stewing, and ripening to bring you ultimate defeat.
>
>  Thou shalt not defeat me, thou cad!
>  (The 13th commandment)

I'll bite. What's 11 and 12?    :\

CNH
who knows snowgod will triumph once again

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:00:37 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observer 

>snowgod
>who probably should have said this through his second

Perhaps, but then you know how formal I get with these seconding things.   :)

CNH
words for nothing

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 02:59:05 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Observer 

At 1:59 AM on 1/19/97, T Joffrain wrote:

> >> Yeah, but Iwill submit no limerick before its time and mine is still
> >> brewing and stewing, and ripening to bring you ultimate defeat.
> >
> >  Thou shalt not defeat me, thou cad!
> >  (The 13th commandment)
>
> I'll bite. What's 11 and 12?    :\

  "Thou shalt not waste bandwidth (only _I_ shall do that)!"

  and

  "Thou shalt not!"

  - respectively.

- -Red Barn
Triumph?  Ha!

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:54:29 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: ACKA:  RFC Using "The size of things"

RFC:  Using the size of fhings
Author:  Jammer (AKA John-Martin Lotz)

This is a grandios Proposal.

{This would go in the same Section as the "
Size of Things" whenever that is decided.}

Section 1  Definiions
Item:  Any entity that requires a blueprint, any blueprint
or any trinket as defined in the rules.
Suructure:  Any building or tower that is legal in Acka
Plot: an area on one Kaa, within Acka
Inside:  Declared to be inside a Structure
Outside:  Not within a structure but on a plot
Attention:  Requires reorting, observasion, or Care eg
Pheobe, or the machine that goes Ping

Section 2  Premise
An active player can only use, or enjoy the
effects of an an item if it is inside a structure

Section 3: Procedures for determining what's
inside or out
Part one: Default
All Items that require attention are declared to be inside
first.  In the event that there are too many items to 
fit in the house, the largerest item is placed in the structure
first, then successively smaller ones, until the structure
is filled,  In the event that there are more then one item 
of a given size when the structure becomes full, random
items of that size are placed outside., as are all
other items

The same procedure is followed successively for
Items that require a blueprints, items that can be made 
from blueprints, and trinkets.

In the event that a plot is filled, e has the option of 
moving it to any plot he can, or face it being discarded as 
described below.

Part Two:  Or you can choose
Not withstanding any wriiteen above within this section
a palyer can declare anything outside by posting 
this statement publically.

Part Three:  Discarding
for a period of 48 hours, a player may move thing inside
or outside or to other locations After that time is up, any
item that is auctioned, with half of the proceeds going to the
play nd half going to the accuision fund of the Museum

If  the item is given to anyother player by some procedure 
this happens, with the owning player suffering the effects of 
loosing the item otherwise the peice is destroyed.

Section 4.  The consequences of things being left out
1.  Any power or effect cannot be taken advantage of,  It
the item requires attention, then the palyer suffers the 
consequences.
2. in the event of a storm, or something that might leave
any building dangling, the Item disappears or is passed on to 
it's next recipiant.

Section 5  Moving items inside or out.
A player may declare by public post that any item be placed 
outside 
In order to move something from outside to inside, the player
must post his attention publicly then wait twenty four hours
before bringing it inside.

Section 6  Defalut sizes
All items are by default 2 thingees in size unless otherwise 
declared.  {I'd make Pheobe 0, blue prints and Prothestic 
Foreheads 1, if not worn, and would say that the the VB machine
that doesn't do anything leave 2 spaces in a structure}

John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 00:58:35 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: ACKA:  RCF:  "Passing by Name or Reference"

RFC:  Passing by name or Reference
Author:  Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)

This is a modest Proposal.

It is legal to refer to a rule by either its Title or
its number, when Refering to it in a Rule or
a Judgement.

John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 01:10:52 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: ACKA: RFC  "Restoring a Sence of Modesty"

RFC:  Restoring a sence of Modesty
Author:  Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)
This is a modest proposal.

A proposal is considered to be Modest if and only if the author 
of the proposal prefaces the proposal with the words 
"This is a Modest proposal". 

     Whenever a Modest Proposal is adopted, 
the number of points scored by its author 
as a direct result of authoring an adopted 
proposal shall be half the number of points 
they would otherwise have scored (rounded down). 

Add the following:
In general a modest proposal, shall be bug fixes,
an minow adjustments to rules to inprove playablity

A proposal is considered to be Grandiose if 
and only if the author of the proposal prefaces 
the proposal with the words "This is a Grandiose
proposal". 

Whenever a Grandiose Proposal is adopted, the 
author shall receive an additional 6 point bonus above 
and beyond any other points received for that proposal. 
This is considered a scoring change based on the 
content of the proposal. 

Add the following
In General Grandiose proposals add major new elements
to Acka

Delete the following 
If a proposal appears to be designated as both Modest 
and Grandiose, or it cannot be determined which designation 
should hold sway, the proposal is declared invalid, and 
removed from voting consideration. 

Replacing it with:
In the event that neither of the two conditons 
occur, the proposal is a standard propsal 
and ins scored without the effect of either other
element

John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 03:52:36 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: ACKA:  RCF:  "Passing by Name or Reference"

> RFC:  Passing by name or Reference
> Author:  Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)
> 
> This is a modest Proposal.
> 
> It is legal to refer to a rule by either its Title or
> its number, when Refering to it in a Rule or
> a Judgement.

The problem with this proposal is a lack of substance.
The statement is a well-accepted part of game custom, not really
disputed by anybody or interfered with by any rule.

Rule 103 requires that proposals describe their rule changes in
an unambiguous way.  Either the rule or the title suffices in
nearly all cases, although both are sometimes preferred to help
people see what rule you are referring to, and because the spelling
rule can fix either if you make a typo in it.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 04:18:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: ACKA: RFC  "Restoring a Sence of Modesty"

> RFC:  Restoring a sence of Modesty
> Author:  Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> A proposal is considered to be Modest if and only if the author 
> of the proposal prefaces the proposal with the words 
> "This is a Modest proposal". 
> 
>      Whenever a Modest Proposal is adopted, 
> the number of points scored by its author 
> as a direct result of authoring an adopted 
> proposal shall be half the number of points 
> they would otherwise have scored (rounded down). 

If you mean to amend the rule containing this text, you should refer
to that rule by name and/or number.  Here, this part appears to be
creating a new (duplicate) rule with this text.  Then later you start
talking about adding and removing parts.  Instead of the way you have
written it, either say "replace the text of rule 209 entirely with the
following" (and then fill in your new version), or say something like:
"I. At the end of the second paragraph, add (some text)
II. At the end of the fourth paragraph, add (more text)
III. Replace the fifth paragraph with (other text)"

Now as for the suggested changes:

> Add the following:
> In general a modest proposal, shall be bug fixes,
> an minow adjustments to rules to inprove playablity

This is fine; when the rule first came into effect we figured this
out without any need for such direction though (although it required
the help of a boycott by several players to encourage some of us,
myself included, to start using modesty when appropriate).

Perhaps this should be a [comment] since it is only a guideline
rather than an actual restriction.

> Add the following
> In General Grandiose proposals add major new elements
> to Acka

Ditto for this one.

> Delete the following 
> If a proposal appears to be designated as both Modest 
> and Grandiose, or it cannot be determined which designation 
> should hold sway, the proposal is declared invalid, and 
> removed from voting consideration. 

I don't like seeing this go away.  This was a nice touch when
grandiosity was added -- while we allow the authors the chance
to decide for themselves if they believe the proposal is modest
or grandiose, declaring a proposal as both is an abuse of the
system.

> Replacing it with:
> In the event that neither of the two conditons 
> occur, the proposal is a standard propsal 
> and ins scored without the effect of either other
> element

This is unnecessary, since if neither of the other effects
apply, the two "whenever" sections will not do anything anyway.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:56:59 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acrobot

#submit proposal Creation of a PartyChessPiece Demon

A proposal to create a rule as a member of the Party Chess Rule Suite
entitled "Creation of a PartyChessPiece Demon" which contains the
following the text:

"
1. A Demon is represented by the ASCII Character D
2. When the square the Demon currently occupies (R,C) is in the 
   range 5<R<15, e<C<o (that is between columns e and o, exclusive)
   it can move a distance of exactly 1 in any given direction, when the 
   square the Demon is on is not included in the above range, the Demon
   can move a distance of exactly 2 squares in any given direction.
3. A Demon is promotobale. A Demon can be promoted if an only if there 
   exist two friendly pieces of the same type (as each other, not
   necessarily the Demon), X and Y such that 
   (xR<R<yR /AND/ xC<C<yC) /OR/ (xR<R<yR /AND/ xC>C>yC)

4. A Demon's materail value is 2

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:59:01 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: previous post

Oh, well.
 I guess there's already a hearing about this one.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:04:41 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearings

Uri Bruck wrote:

> How about ammending it so that the person calling the witch hunt would be
> the witch finder general (although I'd prefer to do away with witch hunts
> entirely)

I actually like the consistency that all the votes go to one player,
its easier to remember.  I would like the dueling limerick votes to 
go to count tabula as well, for example.

I was thinking of amending it so the caller of the witchhunt gets the
chartreuse goose if the heretic is aquitted.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:39:26 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Robert Sevin's Phoebe Hearing

Robert Sevin has been found to have accurrately posted Phoebe's
Wisdom.  In other news, the Hearing against CnH has been cancelled.

Count Tabula
- ------------

bogus wisdom (7)
- ------------
Strider
/dev/joe
ThinMan
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
Niccolo Flychuck
Red Barn

non-bogus wisdom (8)
- ----------------
snowgod
Malenkai
mr cwm
Robert Sevin
fnord
Mohammed
Habeous Corpus
Techno

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:18:59 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Party Chess move

Salutations!!

		I place a rook at s1.

			Regards,
				Strider

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:21:59 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hearings

Malenkai wrote:
> 
> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > How about ammending it so that the person calling the witch hunt would be
> > the witch finder general (although I'd prefer to do away with witch hunts
> > entirely)
> 
> I actually like the consistency that all the votes go to one player,
> its easier to remember.  I would like the dueling limerick votes to
> go to count tabula as well, for example.
> 
> I was thinking of amending it so the caller of the witchhunt gets the
> chartreuse goose if the heretic is aquitted.
> 
> Malenkai

I like it! Especially with the current epidemic of "Witches".  Make
people think about whether something is actually heretical!

			Strider

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:23:28 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: RFC Reorg III

RFC
Reorg III
Malenkai

- ----

I.  [Leftover from Reorg II]

Renumber R 201, "Quorum and Active Players" to 107, and change its
title to "Quorum".  ['Players' moved the definition of active player
out of this rule, it should have changed the title back, too.]

Renumber R 208, "When Score Changes Take Effect", to 205. [putting the
meta-rule before the actual rules.]

Renumber R 210, "Resolving Conflicts" to 102.

Renumber R 1448 "Crazy French-Scotsmen" to 1129.

- ---------------------------------------------------

II.  [Where to put R 1519, "The Size of Things"]

[I suppose it should eventually go to 500.4, with the entity meta-rules,
but it refers to 'items' and 'structures', terms not defined by the 
rules, and does not refer to entities.  Moreover, if we change items to
entitites, then both a building and what it holds would be an entity,
and we could put buildings in buildings, etc.  Not that this is necessarly
a bad thing to allow to happen, its just not well defined.  In other words,
I think some of the definitions need to be worked out better before it
is moved up with the meta-rules, so I propose to leave it at 1519 for now.
I do want to fix a couple of things real quick while I'm here, though:]

Amend R 1519, "The Size of Things" to replace:

"
I wish to make a modest proposal. 

All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees. 
"

with:

"
All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees.  Unless otherwise
specified in the Rules, an item's size is 0 thingees.
"

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

III.  [In the queue, some of these will be invalid rule changes]

Renumber R 1626, "Ackanomic Dixieland Jazz Quartet" to 941.
Renumber R 1630, "Happy Birthday Ackanomic!" to 1131.
Renumber R 1631, "Happy Birthday!" to 1132.

Renumber R 1632, "Parents, Children, the Bees and the Gumball" to 1133;
then amend R 1133 to remove all text enclosed in single curly braces,
inclusive.

Renumber R 1633, "Evil Twins" to 1135; then amend R 1135 to remove all
text enclosed in single curly braces, inclusive.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

IV.  [Discouraging Drift - assumes P 1623 passes]

Amend R 303, "Proposal and Rule Numbering" to add the following text to
the end of section II, sub-section 2.:

"
[Proposals should specify rule numbers for any rules they create so that
the new rule(s) are numbered into the appropriate section of the rules.]
"

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

V.  [Section Headings]

Amend R 407, "Web-Harfer" to add the following sub-section after 
sub-section "c)" in the "Privileges" section:

"
d) To add section headings to the Rules, and to amend or remove existing
section headings.  All section headings must be labelled as such.  The
existance or non-existance of section headings in the Rules has no effect
on the game state.  {{all section headings are hereby removed from the
Rules.}}
"

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:07:52 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SOS 

  Argh.  I seem to have, once again, broken my SOS.  Apparantly I just
can't stay quiet.

  Very well - I meant to do this sooner or later anyway - I am petitioning
for membership in the Church of the Markovian Dream (I've read the
charter).

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:36:58 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg III

- ----------
 Malenkai wrote:

> II.  [Where to put R 1519, "The Size of Things"]
> 
> [I suppose it should eventually go to 500.4, with the entity meta-rules,
> but it refers to 'items' and 'structures', terms not defined by the 
> rules, and does not refer to entities.  Moreover, if we change items to
> entitites, then both a building and what it holds would be an entity,
> and we could put buildings in buildings, etc.  Not that this is
necessarly
> a bad thing to allow to happen, its just not well defined.  In other
words,
> I think some of the definitions need to be worked out better before it
> is moved up with the meta-rules, so I propose to leave it at 1519 for
now.
> I do want to fix a couple of things real quick while I'm here, though:]
> 
> Amend R 1519, "The Size of Things" to replace:
> 
> "
> I wish to make a modest proposal. 
> 
> All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees. 
> "
> 
> with:
> 
> "
> All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees.  Unless otherwise
> specified in the Rules, an item's size is 0 thingees.
> "
> 
See my RFC above, I've done some defining of terms and addressed some 
of the other things you've mentioned.

I don't like having things default to 0 thingee's in size, as this 
will render this rule useless

Jammer

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:42:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Guy Fawkes

I am taking myself off vacation.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:51:11 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> I am taking myself off vacation.
> 
> Guy Fawkes

Which means that proposals should now be sent to Guy Fawkes, and not
the bot, unlesss some sort of something is worked out.

BTW, welcome back!

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:53:41 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg III

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> I don't like having things default to 0 thingee's in size, as this
> will render this rule useless

Right now, however, a paradox win is just sitting out there:

"
The legality of placing a Blue Cross in Malenkai's Castle cannot be
determined with finality.
"

I prefer things to have defaults, rather than undefined values.  The rule
holds no sway now until sizes are actually assigned to things.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:58:15 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg III

 Malenkai wrote:

> John Martin Lotz wrote:
> 
> > I don't like having things default to 0 thingee's in size, as this
> > will render this rule useless
> 
> Right now, however, a paradox win is just sitting out there:
> 
> "
> The legality of placing a Blue Cross in Malenkai's Castle cannot be
> determined with finality.
> "
> 
> I prefer things to have defaults, rather than undefined values.  The rule
> holds no sway now until sizes are actually assigned to things.
> 
I hve no objects to defaults, I default size myself,  It zero size that I
don't like

Jammer
who is also
John-Martin Lotz
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:13:21 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg III

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> I hve no objects to defaults, I default size myself,  It zero size that I
> don't like

I wish to decouple the functional development of the size of things
from the necessary Reorg.  If I were to choose 1, or 3 as the size,
for example, the players would not only have to vote on the intent of
the reorg, but the intent of assigning a specific size to everything.

I generally believe in decoupling these sorts of decisions, and as my
intent is to simply do the Reorg, my goal with the size of things is
to do nothing more than remove the paradox, as that is more in the
jurisdiction of cleaning up the rules, which is the intent of the 
Reorgs, and what the players will be voting on.

As for making the default size something other than 0, I would recommend
proposing that as a seperate issue for voting, unless there is an
overwheliming consensus among players what the default should be, and
what officer (not me, I do not have the capacity) is going to track
whether things now fit.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:25:52 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: RFC 

Proposal "More than once":
  In rule 1209, replace all instances of
  "the current scholar's term"
  with
  "the current scholar's current term"

- -Red Barn
Trying to remember if 1209 was renumbered

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:39:19 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Acka:Apology

I'd like to express my sorrow at Stephen Mcculley's sorrow. Wasting
bandwith is              an unnecessary, truly lamentable ---oops
- -E

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:56:53 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Adam Gesher)
Subject: Re: Acka

ok. listen up here, i was just seeing if anyone was paying attention.
let the scholar of ping say
in the year of christ the aeternal king...what the hell do i care?
nietzsche, author-of-theantichrist.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:54:25 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Apology

Moses Rojas wrote:
> 
> I'd like to express my sorrow at Stephen Mcculley's sorrow. Wasting
> bandwith is              an unnecessary, truly lamentable ---oops
> -E
This is my comment on Eponimondas' sorrow at my sorrow.:)

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:07:17 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Re: Acka:Apology

Stephen Mcculley spake thusly: 
This is my comment on Eponimondas' sorrow at my sorrow :)

Hang in there, Stephen we'll get thru this yet.
anyone wishing to commiserate and/or confess  X.S. bandwidth can write
right here under Bandwidther's Nomynous. ---confession is the best way
my sons and daughters

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:32:07 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Adam Gesher)
Subject: Re: Witchhunt #whatever

thats it. i'm callin' a witch hunt against eponimondas. gentlemen, if
you'll all refer to 
the digests. he said the (blank) was (what it's not) , too. fry in hell.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:37:57 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Witchhunt #whatever

Adam Gesher wrote:
> 
> thats it. i'm callin' a witch hunt against eponimondas. gentlemen, if
> you'll all refer to
> the digests. he said the (blank) was (what it's not) , too. fry in hell.

This does not "[quote the] allegedly heretical message", and therfore
does not initiate a witchhunt.  Also, please put "Acka:" in your
subject lines.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:40:07 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Guy Fawkes 

>I am taking myself off vacation.
>
>Guy Fawkes

Welcome back!  A lot has happened since you left.

BTW... I'm now registara.

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:50:13 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Adam Gesher)
Subject: re:acka:ok then

eponimondas said "is not the earth round?"
so burn him too while we're at it.
- -nietzsche.
head of the committee to send everyone to hell.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:18:25 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> I am taking myself off vacation.
> 
> Guy Fawkes

Welcome back, my old mentor.

Lestrade

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:49:30 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann)

Swann has been chosen.

Clerk of the Courts
- ------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 332
  Subject: Bribes
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Swann (selected Jan 19, 1997, 18:48h EST)
Judgement: 

Statement:

A bribe of the form "Bribe: A random Trinket whose name contains the
string 'Saaramaa'" is a valid bribe, assuming the author of the proposal
containing such a bribe has enough Trinkets so named to satisify the
bribe, and assuming the bribe complies with all of the other technical 
requirements specified in Rule 313 and elsewhere.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

I hope so.  Proposal bribery is described in Rule 313.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:57:41 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann) 

>Swann has been chosen.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 332
>  Subject: Bribes
>Initiator: Malenkai
>    Judge: Swann (selected Jan 19, 1997, 18:48h EST)
>Judgement:
>
>Statement:
>
>A bribe of the form "Bribe: A random Trinket whose name contains the
>string 'Saaramaa'".....

Maybe it's for a treasure hunt?

snowgod
\confused as the rest of you

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:26:18 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Strider's house

Salutations!!	

		I am building a 35 meter tower as an addition to my house.  No reason,
I've just always wanted a tower.  Description: The entire building is
made of black steel, forged in the zhayverfrayshtol method.  There are
two panoramic windows extending around the entire tower.  One is halfway
up, and the other is at the very top.  Travel between levels of the
tower is accomplished by either scaling the climbing wall that extends
all the way around the inside wall, or, for those of you with wings,
entering through the access hatch on the top.  Everyone is invited to
drop by for a party at ~7pm Pacific time tonight.

				Regards, 
					Strider

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:26:47 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Strider's house

Salutations!!	

		I am building a 35 meter tower as an addition to my house.  No reason,
I've just always wanted a tower.  Description: The entire building is
made of black steel, forged in the zhayverfrayshtol method.  There are
two panoramic windows extending around the entire tower.  One is halfway
up, and the other is at the very top.  Travel between levels of the
tower is accomplished by either scaling the climbing wall that extends
all the way around the inside wall, or, for those of you with wings,
entering through the access hatch on the top.  Everyone is invited to
drop by for a party at ~7pm Pacific time tonight.

				Regards, 
					Strider
- -A$105

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:10:34 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: re:acka:another witch

Now lets not be so hasty my fellow web tv user. I'm prepared to offer
you a$180 to drop the charges- just ack it and issue a detraction and
we're on our way
- -E

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:30:58 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Adam Gesher)
Subject: re:acka:another witch

i accept. everyone, eponimondas is a fine person, never a heretic. he'
no witch--- pay no attention to me.
Nietzsche

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:07:56 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann) 

> A bribe of the form "Bribe: A random Trinket whose name contains the
> string 'Saaramaa'" is a valid bribe, assuming the author of the proposal

... Does anyone see where Malenkai's going with this?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:09:10 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann) 

> >A bribe of the form "Bribe: A random Trinket whose name contains the
> >string 'Saaramaa'".....
>
> Maybe it's for a treasure hunt?

  Ah, I see you replied before I even became puzzled.  What possible use
can the name of a proposal be?  Why Trinkets?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:15:10 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann)

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:
> 
> > A bribe of the form "Bribe: A random Trinket whose name contains the
> > string 'Saaramaa'" is a valid bribe, assuming the author of the proposal
> 
> ... Does anyone see where Malenkai's going with this?

yes.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:12:32 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Saaramaa 

  Ah!  I think perhaps a light begins to dawn.
  Or is that sunset?

- -Red Barn
Still confused.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:22:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:ok then

Adam Gesher wrote:
> 
> eponimondas said "is not the earth round?"
> so burn him too while we're at it.

To the extent that this is a quoted message, a witchhunt has been
called on eponimondas.  Please quote this paragraph in any replies.

BURN THE WITCH!
no e said the earth is flat

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:23:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:another witch

Adam Gesher wrote:
> 
> i accept. everyone, eponimondas is a fine person, never a heretic. he'
> no witch--- pay no attention to me.

Witchhunt calls cannot be retracted.  However, the transfer of 
currency was noted.  Since the intent is to not have the witchhunt,
we can all not vote and achieve the same effect.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:30:38 -0500
From: Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 332 (Swann) 

> yes.
>
> Malenkai

  Very funny.  Anyone _else_?

- -Red Barn

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:41:47 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hearing Results

A hearing has found that the Phoebe wisdom reported by Techno
was bogus

Jan 19 23:41 EST: -12 Techno: bogus phoebe wisdom

bogus (10)
- -----
Bascule
Malenkai
Strider
/dev/joe
fnord
breadbox
Niccolo Flychuck
Red Barn
ThinMan
mr cwm

authentic (4)
- ---------
snowgod
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
Habeous Corpus

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:04:24 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato

Niccolo Flychuck has been fortunate enough to find the Magic Potato
for this week.  He becomes Beldin's Tailor, and Habeous Corpus
receives the Great Tuba.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:39:23 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: What Phoebe Said 

While sitting in snowgod's beach cottage contemplating, among other things,
a haiku and a limerick, I felt a tap on my shoulder.  I turned around, or
at least turned my head, and saw Phoebe sitting there on my shoulder.

She said to me:

"snowgod, why have you neglected me and failed to post my wisdom in the
past?  I am dissapointed, and as punishment I will not pass any wisdom on
to you during this visitation.

"I know that they may call a hearing against you for posting what might
seem to be bogus wisdom, but rest assured that that too is part of your
punishment.  In the future you must be more careful about what you do with
ancient technology.

"God save us if you ever become the Scholar of Ping.

And with that Phoebe departed, leaving me humbled and with no wisdom to
offer to you.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:45:32 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Dueling Limerick 

A player who's name was quite fine
tried changing his name to a crime
before he started complaining
that the rules keep changing.
I think he was losing his mind.

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