Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #458
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Ackanomic Digest       Friday, January 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 458

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:27:25 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 120 (Bascule) 

> Suggested Penalty:
>
>  A Sentence of 5 days in the Gaol
>  A Public Apology of 10 lines

  I believe that that was quite a serious offense, and that there should
therefore be some monetary penalty, as well.

  Please?

- -Red Barn
"Let's see... if it works, I have to pay.  If it don't, I have to pay.  Tsk."

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:36:11 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Acka:  Great. 

  Now everyone's clammed up.  Can't say that I blame them, though.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:32:12 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt 

>> >  By the way, the Earth is round.
>
>Another hearing has been called.  Please specify your witch, phoebe,
>disease victim, whatever in your votes somehow.  Also, would someone
>please propose an amendment to the hearing rule that allows the initiator
>to establish the start of the hearing?  The acking of the hearing calls
>by me seems sort of silly.
>
>BURN THE WITCH!
>No! E said the earth is flat
>
>Malenkai

I call for a witch hunt against Malenkai.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:37:27 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt 

>>> >  By the way, the Earth is [no comment].
>>
>>Another hearing has been called.  Please specify your witch, phoebe,
>>disease victim, whatever in your votes somehow.  Also, would someone
>>please propose an amendment to the hearing rule that allows the initiator
>>to establish the start of the hearing?  The acking of the hearing calls
>>by me seems sort of silly.
>>
>>BURN THE WITCH!
>>No! E said the earth is flat
>>
>>Malenkai
>
>> I call for a witch hunt against Malenkai.
>>
>> Robert Sevin

  That's apparantly against the rules.  I tried it a while ago, to no avail.
I haven't yet checked to see precicely _how_ that is against the rules, however.

  I call for a witch hunt against Robert Sevin.

- -Red Barn
Things are never too complicated...

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:49:43 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt 

>>> I call for a witch hunt against Malenkai.
>>>
>>> Robert Sevin
>
>  That's apparantly against the rules.  I tried it a while ago, to no avail.
>I haven't yet checked to see precicely _how_ that is against the rules,
however.
>
>  I call for a witch hunt against Robert Sevin.
>
>-Red Barn
>Things are never too complicated...

Being lazy by nature, I am not going to check the rules to see if a player
can experience multiple witch hunts simultaneously. I suspect not, but what
the harf...

I call for a witch hunt against Red Barn.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Enough!

Okay, folks. Let's stop and take five. Please? This Salemesque
hysteria is fun, I grant you, but do remember that every hearing
creates extra work for Malenkai, aka Count Tabula. Aka Clerk of the
Courts, Financier, and of course Speaker. He is already one of the
hardest working players, and we would be lost without his efforts.

(This is just a thought on my part, mind you. Hey, for all I know he
may be enjoying this as much as we are. But at the same time, let's
not try to crash the game by crashing one of our Functional Officers!)

breadbox

PS: And please note that I used the word "please" up there. This is
meant to be a polite message. Honest! If it didn't sound polite to
you, I swear it was meant to be. I humbly beg all of you NOT to use
this message as an excuse to start off a round of Politeness Moon
Hearings!

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:04:29 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Acka: Too many hunters! 

  This is a modest proposal.

  I propose that all players who have, in the past, called for at least
three witch hunts within a single day be penalized by having A$20
transferrred from each of their possessions to the Treasury.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:49:44 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special

On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Matt wrote:

> > Bascule
> > 
> > I was about to say what a wonderful job that was for the graph until:
> > 
> > >***We're a lazy bunch here at The Day Today. This data is completely
> > >fabricated. Nevertheless, as we're sure you will agree, the results
> > >are very interesting
> > 
> > LOL!
> > 
> > Calvin N Hobbes
> > who should go get some rest
> 
> The CFJ stuff is accurate. It's the game stuff I made up.
> 
> Bascule
> 
In that case, there might be a pattern in there, and I predict a rise in
CFJs soon.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:50:06 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special 

> In that case, there might be a pattern in there, and I predict a rise in
> CFJs soon.
>
> Niccolo Flychuck

  Indeed.  I would never have guessed.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:56:30 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC, CFCJ 119 and more...

On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

> 
> Precisely my fears.  However, I think my initial complaint was vague
> enough that it's valid as long as my CFCJ was.  My second complaint should

Whether or not that was indeed a CFCJ is now up to a CFJ. So it might more
than the time you've got. IMO, submitting means you paid the court fee.

> be valid; at any rate, I'll put a little qualifier on my next attempt that
> says that I'm only complaining if it's a valid attempt.  I guess this goes
> to an RFC, now, since I don't want to lose my last chance: _can_ I write
> such a qualifier?
Malenkai accepted your last one, and we do use conditionals in our public
postings sometimes. During mutli-threaded games we had quite a lot of
that. I'd say that game custom allows for that.

Niccolo Flychuck
Proud Mentor (Allof them Red Barn's ideas)

 > 
> If there's a price on RFCs, so much the better.

No prices on RFCs
> 
> -Red Barn
> Suicidally trying for a semi-worthless position
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------
>   Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
> [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
>   http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
> -------------------------------------------
>     I think that I shall never see,
>       A poem as lovely as a joke.
>     Indeed - unless the poems fall,
>    I may never see a joke - at all.
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:45:21 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Player (Mentor: Malenkai) 

We have a new player in Acknaomic and Malenkai has been chosen by the dice
server to be his mentor. His real name is Moses Rojas and his email address
is [email-masked]

He has chosen Eponimondas as his Ackanomic name.

In response to the Market Research question he writes:

>How I found you? well I was browsing one
>day for  games and found
>you under "free open-ended abstract
>e-mail games." (great things happen in the
>oddest places...)

We welcome him to Acknaomic!

snowgod
Registrar

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:54:05 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Poem for Elder tinan 

>Now, it is my pleasure to recite the poem which was commissioned
>by snowgod, to honor Elder this is not a name.  It is a poem
>titled "This is the Poem's Title"
>
>This is the Poem's Title

Wobnderful, wonderful!

Did I play you already?  If not, let me know how much I owe you and I will
pay.  Until then, be content with this:

snowgod -25, misc payment (bonus)
fnord +25, misc payment (bonus)

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:56:28 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead 

>Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
>big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
>new one on.

I don't think you can do that.  Unless the rules have changed, your head is
very sore and will remain so for a couple of days

snowgod
headware guru

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:00:19 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>Snowgod, are you _my_ evil twin?
>
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Heretic Extraordinaire

No, fellow heretic and reformed round earther, I am your good twin.
ThinMan is my evil twin!  I believe Mohammed may be your evil twin, but
only careful testing can determine that fact.

Hey!  Do you waant to form an organization for people who enjoy getting
burned and fhaving their proposal fail.  It could be lots of fun.  We
cou;ld exclude everyone else, stir things up, declare ourselfs aa seperate
entity and win internomic...

Or maybe not.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:07:57 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  I'm back 

>I'm back from vacation, did anything interesting
>happen while I was gone?

:)

uh huh

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:07:23 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Witchunt 

If someone hasn't done it by now, I am calling a witch hunt against that
obvious heretic Red Barn.  I think, perhaps, that R1448 might cause him to
not become enlightened and join me and CnH in the ranks of people who were
burned for believing in the roundness of the earth.

snowgod

What if I said the earth was a turtle?

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:26:09 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ThinMan's prescription 

ThinMan can be cured of snowgod's disease if and only if he succesfully
authors a rule change that causes the end of Enlightenment.

snowgod
still working on the haiku

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:37:39 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchunt 

At 1:07 AM on 1/17/97, Phil Ackley wrote:

> If someone hasn't done it by now, I am calling a witch hunt against that
> obvious heretic Red Barn.  I think, perhaps, that R1448 might cause him to
> not become enlightened and join me and CnH in the ranks of people who were
> burned for believing in the roundness of the earth.

  Actually, R1448 seems to require a loss of money or points to be invoked,
though it can theoretically reverse any penalty once invoked.  But I may be
misinterpreting it.

> snowgod
>
> What if I said the earth was a turtle?

  Only one way to find out...

  The Earth is a flat, round disk, a segment of the back of the Great
Turtle, Nomic.  Nomic the turtle is supported by four elephants, named
Inkin, Winkin, Blinkin, and Don, going counter-clockwise.  Inkin, Winkin,
Blinkin, and Don walk in a perpetual circle on the back of Ouroporous, the
semi-permeable great serpent who is forever eating eir own head while being
in the form of a loop around the Earth.  Ouroporous swims in the Sea of
Finiteness, which extends for two average cat-heights away from em.  The
Sea of Finiteness is atop the Pedastal of Foobar, which in turn floats in
the Void of Not Much.  The Sea of Finiteness is forever falling away into
the Void of Not Much, forming the spectacular Falls of Stumble, yet somehow
there is always measurably more of it atop the Pedastal of Foobar.  The
Void of Not Much is a large - nay, infinite - Void, surrounded completely
by the Earth's interior.

  Oh, yes, and I call for a Witch Hunt against snowgod.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:59:52 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchunt 

>  Oh, yes, and I call for a Witch Hunt against snowgod.
>
>-Red Barn

Be careful!  I got thrown in Gaol (and held as a political prisoner no
less!) during the last round of witchunt calling.  Of course, that led me
to run for president (twice) and win (twice), so maybe it's not all bad.

snowgod
never vote yes on a proposal which promotes heresy

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:02:51 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Mad Scientist 

No need for the Mad Scientist to hurry with the Frankenstein Monster,
becuase it seems that by admitting Red Barn into the game I've already
unintentionally unleashed evil upon us.

It's alive, Red Barn is alive!!! Muhahahahaha!

snowgod
In good fun, as always

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:59:58 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchunt 

> Be careful!  I got thrown in Gaol (and held as a political prisoner no
> less!) during the last round of witchunt calling.  Of course, that led me
> to run for president (twice) and win (twice), so maybe it's not all bad.

  Seeing as this is my fifth (I think) - and I joined - let's see... - 12
hours ago now - that warning's a bit late - but it's quite all right, I'm
going for Crazy French-Scotsman, and nobody does so without expecting to
have to foot the bill in the end.  :)

- -Red Barn
Nest the dashes.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:01:30 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Mad Scientist 

At 2:02 AM on 1/17/97, Phil Ackley wrote:

> No need for the Mad Scientist to hurry with the Frankenstein Monster,
> becuase it seems that by admitting Red Barn into the game I've already
> unintentionally unleashed evil upon us.
>
> It's alive, Red Barn is alive!!! Muhahahahaha!

  Actually, I prefer to be known as "death impaired".

  FOOLS!!!!  I shall destroy most of them!!!!

- -Red Barn
Don't need no comment.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:11:58 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more...

I think we should have the institute for genetic replication sort out this
whole twin business. 

Niccolo flychuck

On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> >Snowgod, are you _my_ evil twin?
> >
> >Calvin N Hobbes
> >Heretic Extraordinaire
> 
> No, fellow heretic and reformed round earther, I am your good twin.
> ThinMan is my evil twin!  I believe Mohammed may be your evil twin, but
> only careful testing can determine that fact.
> 
> Hey!  Do you waant to form an organization for people who enjoy getting
> burned and fhaving their proposal fail.  It could be lots of fun.  We
> cou;ld exclude everyone else, stir things up, declare ourselfs aa seperate
> entity and win internomic...
> 
> Or maybe not.
> 
> snowgod
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:06:45 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Acka:  Whups, date/time. 

  Well, I've done it again.

  My system clock reset itself.

  So my last message was sent in 1956.

  For some reason, all Macs measure time in milliseconds since midnight on
some day in 1956.

  I'd just like to inform you that there is a message which your email
clients might have put at the top of your list, or something - where it's
not immediately visible.

  Just so you know.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:16:24 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>I think we should have the institute for genetic replication sort out this
>whole twin business.
>
>Niccolo flychuck

A good Idea.  I'll get right on it.

snowgod
about to write another proposal to failure
this is the second comment, and as such immediatly follows the first

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:16:24 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>I think we should have the institute for genetic replication sort out this
>whole twin business.
>
>Niccolo flychuck

A good Idea.  I'll get right on it.

snowgod
about to write another proposal to failure
this is the second comment, and as such immediatly follows the first

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:47:32 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Gift to treasury.

Malenkai wrote:

>CFJ 163, however, established a customary interpretation of 
>"penalization", specifically, the voluntary retraction of proposals and
>the point loss associated with that retraction falls under the
>Acka definition of penalization.  While I personally agree with the
>initiator of CFJ 163, the game custom of CFJ 163 being judged false has
>establised the sort of move used by Red Barn as penalization, contrary
>to customary english usage, thus I believe the act of donating A$2 allows
>invocation of R 1448, and thus I will log the appropriate financial
>transactions.

I do not think that donation of currency is sufficiently parallel
to a retraction penalty for CFJ 163 to be applicable.  Indeed, the
Rule 423 of that time _specified_ that the point loss was a penalty;
the question decided in CFJ 163 was whether "gaining" a point penalty
meant gaining or losing points.

At best, the analogy is weak.  I will probably call a CFJ on this,
unless someone beats me to it.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:13:00 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt (Jammer)

>No! E said the earth is flat.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:38:11 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFCJ 120 (Bascule)

fnord wrote:

>Call for Criminal Judgement 120
>  Subject:  Illegal Name Change
>Initiator:  fnord

[...]

> Red Barn, when attempting to change his name to "Chess nuts boasting
> in an open foyer" broke the Rules.
> 
> To be specific, Red Barn broke Rule 251 ("Player Names").  Rule 251
> clearly states that this name must be a string of name characters
> from three to twenty characters in length.  Obviously, the name Red Barn
> chose for eirself is more than 20 characters.  It is in fact, 36
> characters.

In my opinion, CFCJ 120 must be judged False.  The part of Rule 251
that Red Barn is alleged to have broken is definitive, not regulatory,
and thus it is impossible to break it.  Moreover, Red Barn did not
follow the correct procedure for changing his Ackanomic name, thus
his Ackanomic name would never have become "chess nuts boasting in an
open foyer" even if that were a legal name.  (He did not provide an
explanation of the change.)  Finally, the Registrar has the duty and
right to reject name changes which would produce otherwise illegal
names, which implies that no name change can be official until the
Registrar approves it.  The Registrar did not approve the name change
in question.  I quote Rule 251:

     Every player has exactly one Ackanomic name. This name must be
a string of name characters from three to twenty characters in
length.  Neither the first nor the last character in this string may 
be the space character. All official nomic business shall use this
name to refer to that player. 

     A player may change his Ackanomic name, so long as the new name
complies with all applicable rules.  This shall be accomplished when
the player announces his old name, new name, real name, and short
explanation of the change. The Registrar shall record the change.
When a player changes their Ackanomic name, all Ackanomic business
will be changed to follow their new name. 

     [...]It is the Registrar's duty to make sure all names comply
with this rule, and it is the Registrar's right to reject any name
choosing or change which violates it.

>ThinMan 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:58:15 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Acka.

Well my fellow ackanomians, ackanomites, Ackarobats...Is not, after all,
The world round??? Let us release our alleged witches pending a full and
complete investigation. I hereby initiate a scientific expidition
involving poles, shadows, and dug out holes in the earth
and/or observations of shadows on the moon, as well as siple watching of
ships entering acka-harbor.
THanX 
Eponimondas (a.k.a Chris Columbus...
forgetting the name of
the greek guy who
figured it out first.)

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:17:14 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

>
>At 9:59 PM on 1/16/97, Malenkai wrote:
>
>
>   What!  Court fee!  That rule didn't make sense to me!  Everyone keeps
>switching the rules around!  How am I supposed to keep track!  Nobody ever
>told me about that!  AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!  Don't just sit there,
>_do_something_!!!  Of course, if there is no court fee, I didn't say this
>paragraph...
>
>  CFCJ????  You can't be CFCJed just because you're a crime or a criminal!
>You have to _commit_ a crime for that to happen!  None of these rules make
>_one_iota_ of sense to me!  And they all keep changing!  You're changing
>them!  WHY?!?!!  No one even _mentioed_ CFCJs to me!  How was I supposed to
>know????  WELL????  I _DEMAND_ that someone take action!!!!!
>
>  There, now I've got about 20 hours to do this twice more.  Or once,
>depending.  That's a good start. :)
>
>
>

Too bad this isn't Agora, I would have given you a Kudo for that performance.
(Wait a minute)

I herby make a 1 $A Trinket called a Kudo (Which looks like a tiny brass
action figure in samuri armor) and present it to Red Barn.

Swann -1 Trinket

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:25:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

>Too bad this isn't Agora, I would have given you a Kudo for that performance.
>(Wait a minute)
>
>I herby make a 1 $A Trinket called a Kudo (Which looks like a tiny brass
>action figure in samuri armor) and present it to Red Barn.
>
>Swann -1 Trinket

  I accept the transaction, of course.  I've never seen a _brass_ action
figure before.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:37:18 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

I think it only LOOKs like a tiny brass action figure. Who knows what
it's made of..
- -from the comittee to make more things out of sugar and spice and
everything nice headed by 
Eponimondas
p.s.-- I'm looking up that search engine name/address  for you, Red
Barn.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:40:16 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

I think it only LOOKs like a tiny brass action figure, who knows what
it's made of...?
- ---from the comittee to make things out of sugar and spice and
everything nice (headed by Eponimondas)
p.s.- I'm looking for that games search engine for you, Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:40:45 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt

>
>Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:
>
>>   I call for a witch hunt against Jammer.
>
>Another hearing.  I guess we all have disparate definitions of amusing :)
>
>BURN THE WITCH
>No! E said the earth is flat.
>
>Malenkai
>
>
Just to be diifferent;
Me="No! E said the earth is flat."
Pull little EBS switch
(Damn the thing may be overheating)

Swann

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:46:57 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Proposal

preface: This is a grandiose proposal
==============================

This proposal, if adopted, is two non simultaneous events in unique
order a,b. a) this proposal is a public 30x retraction of itself b) cows
eat grass. 
=====================================

comment: though it might appear a null rule, I appeal to immutable 103
para ii.L6-7.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:52:41 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Moses Rojas)
Subject: Re: Proposal

so  20+12+6+5+5= 48, nay???

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:25:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "G. Peefalt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Vacation

As I am under the weather and all hell is breaking loose in my life, I am
placing myself on Vacation.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:38:26 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Proposal (Acka)

>----------
>From: 	[email-masked][SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent: 	Friday, January 17, 1997 11:46 AM
>To: 	[email-masked]
>Subject: 	Proposal
>
>preface: This is a grandiose proposal
>==============================
>This proposal, if adopted, is two non simultaneous events in unique
>order a,b. a) this proposal is a public 30x retraction of itself b) cows
>eat grass. 
>=====================================
>
>comment: though it might appear a null rule, I appeal to immutable 103
>para ii.L6-7.

1. Please submit proposals directly to Mohammed ([email-masked]).
   In fact, if it was not included in your welcome packet, please ask
   Mohammed for information about how to format your proposals for
   automated promotion.

2. Please sign your Ackamail with your Ackanomic name.  It's hard to
   remember everyone's email address, and especially hard for me to
   sort out all of the new players.

3. You may want to get a copy of the most recent version of the ruleset.
   We no longer have immutable rules, nor any but an historic concept
   of mutability.  Moreover, R 103, paragraph (ii) contains no line 6 or
   7.

4. Nice try, but it won't work.  It least, it won't retract itself.  It
   does nothing until it passes, and once it passes, it can no longer be
   retracted (c.f. R330).  If it passes, then its text becomes a rule,
   not a proposal, and therefore it could not be retracted (although
   it could be repealed).  The rule would have no legal effect if it
   was adopted, but its passage or rejection would cause some scoring
   changes for the author, and might cause him to be called silly.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:53:53 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Poem for Elder tinan

snowgod spake thusly
> 
> Wobnderful, wonderful!
> 
> Did I play you already?  If not, let me know how much I owe you and I will
> pay.  Until then, be content with this:

No, indeed you did not pay me.  Honestly, though, I do not recall 
how much, if any, we agreed on what the fee would be.

However, seeing as how the poem took much longer than planned,
and did not get read until at least 3 months after your request
(open-ended as it was), I was not thinking of charging you
at all for my work.

 snowgod +25, misc payment (bonus) refund
 fnord -25, misc payment (bonus) refund

fnord

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:39:41 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Proposal (Acka)

Oh, and please put the keyword "Acka" in the subject lines of your
Ackanomic mail.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:57:03 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ThinMan's prescription

snowgod spake thusly
> 
> ThinMan can be cured of snowgod's disease if and only if he succesfully
> authors a rule change that causes the end of Enlightenment.

Still pushing for that, eh?  

> snowgod
> still working on the haiku

fnord
Poet Laureate
(eagerly waiting upon snowgod's haiku proposal)

(hmmm...  what if he can't fill the prescription (either of them)?)

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:39:45 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

>   I call for a witch hunt against Robert Sevin.

This is also breaking the rules, or at least not possible.  I do
note that an attempt to break the rules, even though it doesn't
happen, is still a crime.

Malenkai
who remembers when nomic meant *trying* to follow the rules

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:02:51 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more...

Niccolo Flychuck spake thusly
> 
> I think we should have the institute for genetic replication sort out this
> whole twin business. 

Actually, I've got a proposal bouncing around in the back of my head
about evil twins.  The Institute was one of the threads I had for
the proposal.  Another was sharing loss/gain of points, or being
a mirror for point gain/loss.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:47:32 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt

Mitchell Harding wrote:

> Being lazy by nature, I am not going to check the rules to see if a player
> can experience multiple witch hunts simultaneously. I suspect not, but what
> the harf...
> 
> I call for a witch hunt against Red Barn.

Being lazy by nature simply off-loads the work onto someone else.  In any
case, game custom allows multiple witchhunts to be called on a single
player for the same alledged act of heresy.

Another witchhunt on Red Barn has been called.  The valid responses are
listed below.  Please include this paragraph in your response.

BURN THE WITCH!
No, E said the earth is flat

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:50:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchunt

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

>   Oh, yes, and I call for a Witch Hunt against snowgod.

A witchhunt has been called.  Since some people are unwilling to
honor my request of indicating the witch, etc, which is the subject of
the hearing, please quote this entire post when responding.

BURN THE WITCH
No, E said the earth is flat

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:12:12 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 120 (Bascule)

Thinman spake thusly
> 
> fnord wrote:
> 
> >Call for Criminal Judgement 120
> >  Subject:  Illegal Name Change
> >Initiator:  fnord
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Red Barn, when attempting to change his name to "Chess nuts boasting
> > in an open foyer" broke the Rules.
> > 
> > To be specific, Red Barn broke Rule 251 ("Player Names").  Rule 251
> > clearly states that this name must be a string of name characters
> > from three to twenty characters in length.  Obviously, the name Red Barn
> > chose for eirself is more than 20 characters.  It is in fact, 36
> > characters.
> 
> In my opinion, CFCJ 120 must be judged False.

Yeah, I knew it was weak to begin with, but all the mail he generated
went right to my head.

> The part of Rule 251
> that Red Barn is alleged to have broken is definitive, not regulatory,
> and thus it is impossible to break it.  Moreover, Red Barn did not
> follow the correct procedure for changing his Ackanomic name, thus
> his Ackanomic name would never have become "chess nuts boasting in an
> open foyer" even if that were a legal name.  (He did not provide an
> explanation of the change.)  Finally, the Registrar has the duty and
> right to reject name changes which would produce otherwise illegal
> names, which implies that no name change can be official until the
> Registrar approves it.  The Registrar did not approve the name change
> in question.

I quite disagree.  The Registrar did no such thing, nor does
he actually have to.  Quoting Rule 251

"...It is the Regsitrar's _duty_ to make sure all names comply
with this rule, and it the Registrar's _right_ to reject any name
choosing or change which violates it."  (emphasis mine)

snowgod has to make sure it complies with the rules, but once
he does that, he is under no obligation to reject it.  It's his _right_
to reject it, but not his _duty_.

Since I did not see a claim rejecting the name change from snowgod,
he didn't exercise his right to reject the name.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:58:11 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 120 (Bascule)

fnord wrote:

> Since I did not see a claim rejecting the name change from snowgod,
> he didn't exercise his right to reject the name.

I have to disagree here.  Officers generally have 3 days to perform
any task (duty, priv, right), whatever.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:00:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 327 Verdict

CFJ 327 has been judged false.  I appreciate ThinMan's commitment
to formatting the CFJ as I have requested.  I note that CFCJ 119 is
a misnumber, and is bounced from the justice system.  I cannot 
construe it to be an ordinary CFJ.

Clerk of the Courts
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 327
  Subject: CFCJ 119
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: ThinMan (selected Jan 17, 1997, 00:13h EST)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

The game action labelled as CFCJ 119 which occurred Jan 16, 1997, 21:59,
was a Call for Criminal Judgement.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

I just need to know about the Court Fee.  I would probably judge FALSE,
but the TRUE case is much more interesting and I could see that verdict
as well.  On technical grounds, CFCJ 119 violates R 710, but does that
prevent it from coming into existance as a CFCJ?  I could see calling
a CFCJ on the initiator for breaking the rules :).  If it is not a CFCJ,
what is it?  For the factual record, it was submitted to the CotC
labelled
as a CFCJ.

Is Loophole Surfing back in Acka?

ThinMan's Reasoning:

Rule 710 says of itself that it defines the CFCJ procedure.  I therefore
interpret sections (1) through (5) of rule 710 define the conditions
under which material submitted to the justice system constitutes a CFCJ.
 
The material distributed as "CFCJ 119" does not satisfy section (3),
section (4), or section (5) of Rule 710.  Section (1) has not been
satisfied, either, but game custom permits that that payment be implicit
in the filing of an otherwise valid CFCJ.  "CFCJ 119" was not a CFCJ.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:07:12 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 121 (Mohammed)

Mohammed has been chosen.

snowgod -20 CFCJ 121

Clerk of the Courts
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Call for Criminal Judgement 121
  Subject:  The pot calling the kettle black
Initiator:  snowgod
    Judge:  Mohammed (selected Jan 17, 1997, 13:06 EST)
Judgement:

Statement:

Malenkai has commited a crime.

snowgod's reasoning:

On January 16, 1997 Malenkai posted a message containing the following text
in response to a gift of a prosthetic forehead:

>Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
>big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
>new one on.

This attempt to place a new prosthetic on his head so soon after removing
the original is clearly in violation of R915/8 (paragraph five), which
reads:

>A Player who is not already wearing a Prosthetic Forehead may wear any one
>e owns by announcing publicly that e is doing so and what type of
>Prosthetic Forehead is involved. A Player who is wearing a Prosthetic
>Forehead may remove it by announcing the action publicly. After a player
>removes a Prosthetic Forehead, his real head is sore for 48 hours and she
>may not wear a Prosthetic Forehead during this time.

It is understandable, with all the hailing and such going on, that Malenkai
might have gotten a bit overanxious to wear his fine new forehead.  But
rules are rules, and we must live by them, especially a role model such as
Malenkai.  By attempting to commit an action which is impossible Malenkai
has commited a crime and must be punished.

suggested penalty:

a FINE of A$7
a PUBLIC APOLOGY of 7 or more lines
a SENTENCE of 7 days in the Gaol

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:05:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Gift to treasury.

>>CFJ 163, however, established a customary interpretation of 
>>"penalization", specifically, the voluntary retraction of proposals and
>>the point loss associated with that retraction falls under the
>>Acka definition of penalization.  While I personally agree with the
>>initiator of CFJ 163, the game custom of CFJ 163 being judged false has
>>establised the sort of move used by Red Barn as penalization, contrary
>>to customary english usage, thus I believe the act of donating A$2 allows
>>invocation of R 1448, and thus I will log the appropriate financial
>>transactions.

  I quote from R1448, Para. 11, lines 4-6:
  ... may publicly complain when they lose any points or currency.  When
they exercise this option, the penalty will immediately be counteracted.  

  Thus my complaint was legitimate, provided that a donation can be
considered "loss".  However, the question of whether the donation
constitutes a penalty remains, as it must be decided whether it is to be
counteracted.

- -Red Barn

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:11:34 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 122 (/dev/joe)

/dev/joe has been chosen.

snowgod -20 CFCJ 122

Clerk of the Courts
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Call for Criminal Judgement 122
  Subject:  Deja vu all over again
Initiator:  snowgod
    Judge:  /dev/joe (selected Jan 17, 1997, 13:11 EST)
Judgement:

Statement:

Malenkai has commited a crime.

snowgod's reasoning:

On January 16, 1997 Malenkai posted a message containing the following text
in response to a gift of a prosthetic forehead:

>Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
>big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
>new one on.

This attempt to place a new prosthetic on his head so soon after removing
the original is clearly in violation of R915/8 (paragraph five), which
reads:

>A Player who is not already wearing a Prosthetic Forehead may wear any one
>e owns by announcing publicly that e is doing so and what type of
>Prosthetic Forehead is involved. A Player who is wearing a Prosthetic
>Forehead may remove it by announcing the action publicly. After a player
>removes a Prosthetic Forehead, his real head is sore for 48 hours and she
>may not wear a Prosthetic Forehead during this time.

It is understandable, with all the hailing and such going on, that Malenkai
might have gotten a bit overanxious to wear his fine new forehead.  But
rules are rules, and we must live by them, especially a role model such as
Malenkai.  By attempting to commit an action which is impossible Malenkai
has commited a crime and must be punished.

suggested penalty:

a FINE of A$7
a PUBLIC APOLOGY of 7 or more lines
a SENTENCE of 7 days in the Gaol

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