Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #457
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Friday, January 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 457

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:55:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> This gets better! Ha ha ha!
> Sorry, but you can't. R1307 says:
>         ...may be the case, any other Player may start a Witchhunt by...
>
> See, "other player". I could even call a CFCJ on this. Isn't this getting
> better and better every time? You could always try and bribe the goaler once
> they put you in jail.   :)

  Would you, please?  No, seriously.  I am at the moment fresh out of ideas
for R1448 (Crazy French-Scotsmen), and would much appreciate the
opportunity, since I'm not sure all my attempts at complaints were valid.

  Ah, what a tangled web we weave,
 ... when first we struggle to reprieve.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:57:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> Sorry, you cannot call a witchhunt on yourself ;)  I was responding to
> heretic CnH's post.  I have an unusual definition of amusing.

  No worse than mine...  Calvin N Hobbes, you said you'd been burned for
less.  Like when?

  WaHaHaHaHa,

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:04:17 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Red Barn

Dan Knapp (Red Barn) wrote:
> 
>   CFCJ????  You can't be CFCJed just because you're a crime or a criminal!
> You have to _commit_ a crime for that to happen!  None of these rules make
> _one_iota_ of sense to me!  And they all keep changing!  You're changing
> them!  WHY?!?!!  No one even _mentioed_ CFCJs to me!  How was I supposed to
> know????  WELL????  I _DEMAND_ that someone take action!!!!!
> 

Salutations! 

			OK, here's my A$0.02.  I think we should create an Institution known
as The Loony Bin.:)  Then, we can "commit" Red Barn
(which I think is still his official name) to it, thus commiting a
crime.  This only works if he turns out to BE a crime, mind you; but I
still like the idea.

				Regards,
					Strider

Good luck on becoming a Crazy French-Scotsman, eh?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:08:28 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  I'm back

I'm back from vacation, did anything interesting
happen while I was gone?

Jammer
who has muny interesting ideas to 
achieve the largest number of 
proposals rejected <G>

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:12:44 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>> See, "other player". I could even call a CFCJ on this. Isn't this getting
>> better and better every time? You could always try and bribe the goaler once
>> they put you in jail.   :)
>
>  Would you, please?  No, seriously.  I am at the moment fresh out of ideas
>for R1448 (Crazy French-Scotsmen), and would much appreciate the
>opportunity, since I'm not sure all my attempts at complaints were valid.

Well, that's an original idea. I could but there is a filing fee and to be
honest I'm the second or third poorest player. Still not poor poor, but
compared to the likes of rich-boys like /dev/joe (A$2671), Malenkai (A$2426)
and ThinMan (A$1709), I'm really not rich.

I'm wondering what else you could do. Let's see... Hum...

You could create three newspapers. That's a criminal offense right there.
You could also unsubscribe from the main mailing list. That's a crime also.
You could simply break any rule, of course. Like by saying you will destroy
an Ackadollar.

That's three right there. The first is allowed, but a crime (yeah, I know).
The second, I'm not sure is technically possible. The last one means actions
which will never take place anyway, but for which you will be sentenced.

Keep in mind you may get sent to the goal. Or you could run to Cow Town, of
course. But you should probably make three absurd proposals the same day.
They'll come up for voting, will fail on the same day, and you'll have them
right there.

Or did you already start this process by making the first (and second?) claims?

Calvin N Hobbes
aiding and abetting

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:12:58 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Acka: name change 

  In the event that I am not currently a crime, I hereby change my name to
a crime.  If possible, I do so retroactively, immediately after the failure
of my attempt to change my name to "Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".
If such is not possible, I do so now.

  Thank you, all.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:20:19 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>  No worse than mine...  Calvin N Hobbes, you said you'd been burned for
>less.  Like when?

The first time, I said it out right. It was just as the rule passed. I was
the first Heretic.
The second time, I simply said "the xxxxx was not flat". This should not
really have been accepted, but it was and I got BBQed.

>  WaHaHaHaHa,

Hey! Don't laugh!    :)

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:21:19 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gift to treasury.

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

>   In accordance with testing the rules even further, I am donating A$ 2 to
> the Treasury, _unless_ doing so would not count as "los[ing] points or
> currency", for the purposes of rule 1448, in which case I don't.  In the
> event that the immediately preceding qualifier is invalid but not illegal,
> I omit it.  In the event that it _is_ illegal, I do _not_ omit it!

This certainly counts as "los[ing] points or currency".  However, R 1448
goes on to talk about "penalization", and indicates that the loss must
also be a penalty to qualify.  In common english usage, the act of
donating would not be considered a penalty, and in Acka, common english
usage holds sway unless the rules or custom provide an alternative 
interpretation (CFJ 245 and several others).

CFJ 163, however, established a customary interpretation of 
"penalization", specifically, the voluntary retraction of proposals and
the point loss associated with that retraction falls under the
Acka definition of penalization.  While I personally agree with the
initiator of CFJ 163, the game custom of CFJ 163 being judged false has
establised the sort of move used by Red Barn as penalization, contrary
to customary english usage, thus I believe the act of donating A$2 allows
invocation of R 1448, and thus I will log the appropriate financial
transactions.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:22:49 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special

TODAY, LOOK BACK TO THE DAY YESTERDAY WITH THE DAY TODAY

END OF AN ERA?

As we approach Ackanomic's first birthday, it seems a suitable time
to look back and reflect on the passing of one of Acka's finest
traditions, the CFJ.

Known to it's friends as a Call for Justice, the CFJ was once an
essential tool for the aspiring Ackazen. No loophole surfer worthy of
the name would dare to show their face in public without at least 3
potential paradox wins grinding their way through the legal system.

Developments in rule technology pioneered by Legal Engineer /dev/joe
have made the CFJ largely obsolete. Proposal 1160 provided a way to
resolve conflicts of precedence within a given rule, and proposal
1188 added the requirement that a paradox should be original in order
to give the caller of that CFJ a win by paradox. The last win by
paradox was Mohammed's elegant Copycat CFJ, as long ago as October
22nd. Future wins by paradox will be few and far between.

It is interesting to correlate the fall of CFJs with the rise in
sub-games (see accompanying figure). The first subgame was party
chess, first proposed by Niccolo Flychuck on July 17, followed
quickly by the machine that goes *ping*, grab-a-donkey, ghost, and
the wonderful duelling limericks. Playing subgames seem to have
replaced submitting CFJs as Acka's no.1 hobby.

Understandably, many players enjoy the stability and tranquility of a
robust ruleset. However, I cannot be the only player who dreams of
multiple threads, delayed paradox CFJs and Acts of Justice, back to a
time when the game lurched from crisis to crisis, when even logging
on was an exciting experience, because we could never be sure that
the game would still exist.

Bascule 
The author held the position of Justice from June to November 1996

RELATIVE IMPORTANCE OF CFJs AND SUBGAMES DURING 1996

      50-|                  CCC         SSS** |-10000
No.      |                  CCC         SSS   |
of    40-|                  CCC         SSS   |-8000
CFJs*    |                  CCC         SSSSSS|       Number of
(C)   30-|                  CCC   CCC   SSSSSS|-6000  subgame
         |      CCC      CCCCCCCCCCCC   SSSSSS|       related
      20-|      CCCCCC   CCCCCCCCCCCCSSSSSSSSS|-4000  Emails***
         |   CCCCCCCCC   CCCCCCCCCCCCBBBSSSSSS|       (S)
      10-|   CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBSSS|-2000     
         |CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBSSS|
       0-+------------------------------------+-0
           J  F  M  A  M  J  J  A  S  O  N  D 
                      Month of 1996  

B denotes both a C and S character.

*Data from the CFJ archive,
http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~devjoe/acka/cfjmenu.html

**The machine that goes *ping* went into overdrive in November

***We're a lazy bunch here at The Day Today. This data is completely
fabricated. Nevertheless, as we're sure you will agree, the results
are very interesting

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:22:11 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Re: Acka:  I'm back 

At 10:08 PM on 1/16/97, John Martin Lotz wrote:

> I'm back from vacation, did anything interesting
> happen while I was gone?

  Yes, I joined and then prompted about 500 messages which you will be
receiving in due course.  Enjoy the download.

  :)

  -Red Barn

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:29:02 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead

- ----------
On Thursday, January 16, 1997 at  8:43 PM Malenkai wrote
> 
> Stephen McCulley wrote:
> > 
> > Salutations!
> > 
> >                 I wish to purchase a Prosthetic Forehead.  It makes the
wearers head
> > appear to have grown to a disproporionate size compared to the rest of
> > eir head.  It has, written on it in glowing white letters, MALENKAI!
> > Speaker, Expert, Wizard, and Mentor Supreme!  Hail Him!
> > 
> > I give it to Malenkai, assuming he acks the transaction.
> 
> Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
> big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
> new one on.
> 
It pains me, though it must pain you more, to say you can not
doff and imeadiately replace a Prosthetic Forehead.  

Jammer
Worriedly

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:31:08 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> >  Would you, please?  No, seriously.  I am at the moment fresh out of ideas
> >for R1448 (Crazy French-Scotsmen), and would much appreciate the
> >opportunity, since I'm not sure all my attempts at complaints were valid.
>
> Well, that's an original idea. I could but there is a filing fee and to be
> honest I'm the second or third poorest player. Still not poor poor, but
> compared to the likes of rich-boys like /dev/joe (A$2671), Malenkai (A$2426)
> and ThinMan (A$1709), I'm really not rich.
>
> I'm wondering what else you could do. Let's see... Hum...

  Well, I could gift you with the money, but don't worry 'bout it, I'll
find something else.

> That's three right there. The first is allowed, but a crime (yeah, I know).
> The second, I'm not sure is technically possible. The last one means actions
> which will never take place anyway, but for which you will be sentenced.

  Perhaps a good idea.  But the question is: how long would the sentence
take to take effect?  As I'm interpreting R1448, I have to actually lose
something, not just have it threatened.

> Keep in mind you may get sent to the goal. Or you could run to Cow Town, of
> course. But you should probably make three absurd proposals the same day.
> They'll come up for voting, will fail on the same day, and you'll have them
> right there.

  Very nice.  I'll try it.

> Or did you already start this process by making the first (and second?)
>>claims?

  Yup.  I did make two claims, in two separate messages (I'm making my
official standpoint that the first message contained only one -
unofficially, of course).
  The second complaint was about the "penalty" imposed when I gifted the
treasury with A$2.  I'm glad I don't have to be believed, only complain!
  This gives me some time pressure... I suppose actually I have longer than
I though (I misread and thought they had to be my _first_ 24 hours).

  Thanks for the aid and abe.

 -Red Barn
  (the hypocrite)

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:35:45 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead 

>> Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
>> big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
>> new one on.
>> 
>It pains me, though it must pain you more, to say you can not
>doff and imeadiately replace a Prosthetic Forehead.  

And I was putting the final touches to a CFCJ. Now the suprise is all
spoiled. Ah well, couldn't do that to the person I hail every day anyway.   :)

Calvin N Hobbes
now deleting the CFCJ letter by letter

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:38:48 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special 

Bascule

I was about to say what a wonderful job that was for the graph until:

>***We're a lazy bunch here at The Day Today. This data is completely
>fabricated. Nevertheless, as we're sure you will agree, the results
>are very interesting

LOL!

Calvin N Hobbes
who should go get some rest

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:38:48 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special 

Bascule

I was about to say what a wonderful job that was for the graph until:

>***We're a lazy bunch here at The Day Today. This data is completely
>fabricated. Nevertheless, as we're sure you will agree, the results
>are very interesting

LOL!

Calvin N Hobbes
who should go get some rest

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:42:04 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno) & ( Robert Sevin)

On both Phoebe hearings (unless I missed the first one)

I vote

 Phoebe would never say anything so crass!

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:39:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special 

> Understandably, many players enjoy the stability and tranquility of a
> robust ruleset. However, I cannot be the only player who dreams of
> multiple threads, delayed paradox CFJs and Acts of Justice, back to a
> time when the game lurched from crisis to crisis, when even logging
> on was an exciting experience, because we could never be sure that
> the game would still exist.

  I completely agree.  I just joined (a matter of hours ago!), and already
I'm embroiled in several issues.  And I'm still waiting for someone to call
a Witch Hunt against me...

  "Completely fabricated", indeed!

- -Red Barn

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:45:22 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>  Well, I could gift you with the money, but don't worry 'bout it, I'll
>find something else.

No no, please, do give the money.  :)

>  Perhaps a good idea.  But the question is: how long would the sentence
>take to take effect?  As I'm interpreting R1448, I have to actually lose
>something, not just have it threatened.

True, but the CFCJ sould penalize you some money.

I was just reading the rule again and the last para says:
        This public complaining may only be exercised 3 times by any player.

It says "exercised", it doesn't say they have to be successful complaints.
So it may be that since you have already complained twice, you've only got
one more chance at it. And both of the previous attempts would have to succeed.

>  Thanks for the aid and abe.

We aim to please.

Calvin N Hobbes
still thinking about that heretic thing

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:35:15 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  Oh Wow

I see.

Jammer

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:44:10 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special

> Bascule
> 
> I was about to say what a wonderful job that was for the graph until:
> 
> >***We're a lazy bunch here at The Day Today. This data is completely
> >fabricated. Nevertheless, as we're sure you will agree, the results
> >are very interesting
> 
> LOL!
> 
> Calvin N Hobbes
> who should go get some rest

The CFJ stuff is accurate. It's the game stuff I made up.

Bascule

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:45:48 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno) & ( Robert Sevin)

> On both Phoebe hearings (unless I missed the first one)
> 
> I vote
> 
> 
>  Phoebe would never say anything so crass!
> 
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck

Oh dear.

This epidemic needs stamping out.

I believe Niccolo Flychuck has snowgod's disease, and I am calling 
for a hearing to that effect.

Bascule

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:49:54 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Day Today: CFJ special 

>> Understandably, many players enjoy the stability and tranquility of a
>> robust ruleset. However, I cannot be the only player who dreams of
>> multiple threads, delayed paradox CFJs and Acts of Justice, back to a
>> time when the game lurched from crisis to crisis, when even logging
>> on was an exciting experience, because we could never be sure that
>> the game would still exist.
>
>  I completely agree.  I just joined (a matter of hours ago!), and already
>I'm embroiled in several issues.  And I'm still waiting for someone to call
>a Witch Hunt against me...

I agree to a certain extend. I remember a number of times when tempers were
brought close to boiling, heated arguments took place and the divisions
within Acka took literally months to heal. So I think it should be well
handled. of course, you can never please everyone.

I've been working/thinking about amending paradox CFJs for a while now. I
may write it up friday evening. It would effectively allow players to find
"paradoxes" while ensuring the rules can still survive. Weird, but workable.
It would allow us to train players in the art of finding loopholes.

Calvin N Hobbes
thinking of his loophole surfing friends

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:46:18 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Acka: Ridiculous!

  I propose that the entire contents of the Treaury be transferred to
Red Barn.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:52:45 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Another witchhunt

> I just joined (a matter of hours ago!), and already
> I'm embroiled in several issues.  And I'm still waiting for someone to call
> a Witch Hunt against me...
> 
> -Red Barn

Oooh, go on then.

I call for a witchhunt against Red Barn for the following statement
[ with which I do _not_ agree, Malenkai :) ]:

>  By the way, the Earth is round.

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:54:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ridiculous!

> I propose that the entire contents of the Treaury be transferred to
> Red Barn.

Is it because the entire contents of the treaury be transferred to Red
Barn that you came to me?

breadbox
channeling M-x doctor

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:57:43 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web Pages

On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> All of my web pages are back on-line and up to date.  These pages
> are:
> 
> Players/Entities (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackayp.htm)
> 
> For newbies, this is usually more up to date than the link listed
> as "Current List of Active Players" on the main page.  I'm not sure
> if that page is maintained anymore.

While I haven't taken it off yet. I stopped attempting to updae it when
snowgod took over as Registrar.

Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> Internomic homepage (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/zhome.htm)
> 
> Current Events (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackace.htm)
> Trinket records (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackata.htm)
> Treasures and clues (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackabta.htm)
> 
> And a few others.  ITW apologizes for the downtime.
> 
> Malenkai
> assistant web-harfer
> 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:55:37 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> It pains me, though it must pain you more, to say you can not
> doff and imeadiately replace a Prosthetic Forehead.

Correct.  Too much scotch, to few loopholes to surf.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:52:32 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC, CFCJ 119 and more... 

> >  Well, I could gift you with the money, but don't worry 'bout it, I'll
> >find something else.
>
> No no, please, do give the money.  :)

  I choose to ignore that.

> >  Perhaps a good idea.  But the question is: how long would the sentence
> >take to take effect?  As I'm interpreting R1448, I have to actually lose
> >something, not just have it threatened.
>
> True, but the CFCJ sould penalize you some money.

  Oh, yes, that should work.  Right then.  All I need is a CFCJ (another
one) - and it had best be valid this time.  Time to check the archives for
examples of valid format.

> I was just reading the rule again and the last para says:
>         This public complaining may only be exercised 3 times by any player.
>
> It says "exercised", it doesn't say they have to be successful complaints.
> So it may be that since you have already complained twice, you've only got
> one more chance at it. And both of the previous attempts would have to
> succeed.

  Precisely my fears.  However, I think my initial complaint was vague
enough that it's valid as long as my CFCJ was.  My second complaint should
be valid; at any rate, I'll put a little qualifier on my next attempt that
says that I'm only complaining if it's a valid attempt.  I guess this goes
to an RFC, now, since I don't want to lose my last chance: _can_ I write
such a qualifier?

  If there's a price on RFCs, so much the better.

- -Red Barn
Suicidally trying for a semi-worthless position

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:57:26 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt 

>I call for a witchhunt against Red Barn for the following statement
>[ with which I do _not_ agree, Malenkai :) ]:
>
>>  [evil text censored to make PG-14 rating]

Bascule, did you know Malenkai called a witch hunt on me for saying
something you said the same way? Since it doesn't matter if you believe it
or not, just refering to it is heresy. Propagating the flow of bad thought,
that's what it was.   :)
And I note you are not even enlightened. Ha Ha Ha Ha!

But I'll leave the dirt job to someone else.

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:56:24 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt

> 
> > I just joined (a matter of hours ago!), and already
> > I'm embroiled in several issues.  And I'm still waiting for someone to
call
> > a Witch Hunt against me...
> > 
> > -Red Barn
> 
> Oooh, go on then.
> 
> I call for a witchhunt against Red Barn for the following statement
> [ with which I do _not_ agree, Malenkai :) ]:
> 
> >  By the way, the Earth is round.
> 
> Bascule

I call for a witch hunt against Bascule

Jammer

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:00:11 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno) & ( Robert Sevin)

Matt wrote:

> This epidemic needs stamping out.
> 
> I believe Niccolo Flychuck has snowgod's disease, and I am calling
> for a hearing to that effect.

A hearing has been called on snowgod's disease.  Send me your votes.

Just yesterday e posted a message to eir aunt
uh, no, e meant to do that

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 07:02:47 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt

> >I call for a witchhunt against Red Barn for the following statement
> >[ with which I do _not_ agree, Malenkai :) ]:
> >
> >>  [evil text censored to make PG-14 rating]
> 
> Bascule, did you know Malenkai called a witch hunt on me for saying
> something you said the same way? Since it doesn't matter if you believe it
> or not, just refering to it is heresy. Propagating the flow of bad thought,
> that's what it was.   :)
> And I note you are not even enlightened. Ha Ha Ha Ha!
> 
> But I'll leave the dirt job to someone else.
> 
> Calvin N Hobbes

Drat, Drat, and Double Drat!

[??? Flat, flat and double flat ???]

I've been trying to set a good example and not get burned ever since 
that rule passed. DOH!

Bascule

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:04:37 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt

Matt wrote:

> I call for a witchhunt against Red Barn for the following statement
> [ with which I do _not_ agree, Malenkai :) ]:
> 
> >  By the way, the Earth is round.

Another hearing has been called.  Please specify your witch, phoebe,
disease victim, whatever in your votes somehow.  Also, would someone
please propose an amendment to the hearing rule that allows the initiator
to establish the start of the hearing?  The acking of the hearing calls
by me seems sort of silly.

BURN THE WITCH!
No! E said the earth is flat

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:05:51 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt 

>I call for a witch hunt against Bascule
>Jammer

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA!
Told you someone would do it.

BTW, is this a full moon or something? We've had more WH calls in the last
two or three hours than in any other day. Freakish. "Darn Bed"...    :|

Calvin N Hobbes
thank goodness their ain't no bandwidth moon

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:03:36 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Ridiculous! 

At 10:54 PM on 1/16/97, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > I propose that the entire contents of the Treaury be transferred to
> > Red Barn.
>
> Is it because the entire contents of the treaury be transferred to Red
> Barn that you came to me?

  Wupth.  Did I send that to you?  I meant to send it to Mohammed.  Do I
have to re-post it now?

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:10:08 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> I call for a witch hunt against Bascule

Another hearing has been called:

BURN THE WITCH
No, E said the earth is flat

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:07:17 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt 

> > >  [Censored text was here.]
> >
> > Bascule
>
> I call for a witch hunt against Bascule
>
> Jammer

  I call for a witch hunt against Jammer.

- -Red Barn
Thoroughly enjoying this.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:12:38 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt <- Read this for salavation yea heretics! 

>Drat, Drat, and Double Drat!
>
>[??? Flat, flat and double flat ???]
>
>I've been trying to set a good example and not get burned ever since 
>that rule passed. DOH!
>
>Bascule

He he he. Fine example...  This is fun.

Let's recap:
CNH
Red Barn
Bascule

And I note we can still call a witchhunt against Jammer, since he quote
Bascule in full... Go for it Bascule! Go for it!

Btw, those of you interesting in saving their souls can ask me as per R1315
to help you out. I'll be more than happy to help a fellow heretic in need.
This may kill the email flood we have. And Bascule, it also means you could
keep your "perfect" rating!

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:12:38 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Acka:  Land Purchase

I am purchasing 4 Kaa's of land

Jammer -200 A$

Jammer

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:16:34 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Yet Another witchhunt

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

>   I call for a witch hunt against Jammer.

Another hearing.  I guess we all have disparate definitions of amusing :)

BURN THE WITCH
No! E said the earth is flat.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:20:55 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: name change

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:
> 
>   In the event that I am not currently a crime, I hereby change my name to
> a crime.  If possible, I do so retroactively, immediately after the failure
> of my attempt to change my name to "Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".
> If such is not possible, I do so now.

I do not believe either of these name changes occurred.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:23:25 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SOS for Bascule, Jammer, Red Barn and CNH (R1315) 

>  I call for a witch hunt against Jammer.
>
>-Red Barn
>Thoroughly enjoying this.

ROTFL!

When the flame get too high, who ya gona call?
Flaaamebuster!

That's right ladies and gentlemen, you have here one of the priestest priest
at your disposal, ready to make your life pure and perfect again.

So as priest of the Church of the Markovian Dream, I issue four SOS as per
R1315 for Bascule, Jammer, Red Barn and Calvin N Hobbes.

Guys, all we have to do is stay silent for 27 hours and we'll be saved! of
course, there will be the small matter of an A$11 fee for those not member
of the church...   :)

I'll see you all on Saturday.

Calvin N Hobbes
having a ball

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:20:43 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: name change 

At 2:20 AM on 1/17/97, Malenkai wrote:

> Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:
> >
> >   In the event that I am not currently a crime, I hereby change my name to
> > a crime.  If possible, I do so retroactively, immediately after the failure
> > of my attempt to change my name to "Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".
> > If such is not possible, I do so now.
>
> I do not believe either of these name changes occurred.

  Either?  Why not?  No, let me guess... it's illegal to change your name
to a game term, right?

- -Red Barn
Already embroiled in more than I can stand

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:25:09 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 120 (Bascule)

Bascule has been chosen.

fnord -20 CFCJ 120

Clerk of the Courts
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Call for Criminal Judgement 120
  Subject:  Illegal Name Change
Initiator:  fnord
    Judge:  Bascule (selected Jan 17, 1997, 02:23 EST)
Judgement: 

Statement:

 Red Barn has committed a Crime.

fnord's Reasoning:

 Red Barn, when attempting to change his name to "Chess nuts boasting
 in an open foyer" broke the Rules.
 
 To be specific, Red Barn broke Rule 251 ("Player Names").  Rule 251
 clearly states that this name must be a string of name characters
 from three to twenty characters in length.  Obviously, the name Red Barn
 chose for eirself is more than 20 characters.  It is in fact, 36
 characters.

Suggested Penalty:

 A Sentence of 5 days in the Gaol
 A Public Apology of 10 lines

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:22:39 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: Another witchhunt <- Read this for salavation yeaheretics!

> 
> >Drat, Drat, and Double Drat!
> >
> >[??? Flat, flat and double flat ???]
> >
> >I've been trying to set a good example and not get burned ever since 
> >that rule passed. DOH!
> >
> >Bascule
> 
> He he he. Fine example...  This is fun.
> 
> Let's recap:
> CNH
> Red Barn
> Bascule
> 
> And I note we can still call a witchhunt against Jammer, since he quote
> Bascule in full... Go for it Bascule! Go for it!
> 
> Btw, those of you interesting in saving their souls can ask me as per
R1315
> to help you out. I'll be more than happy to help a fellow heretic in
need.
> This may kill the email flood we have. And Bascule, it also means you
could
> keep your "perfect" rating!
> 
I request sanctuary for prayer and meditation, see ya in 27

Jammer
penitantly 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:23:12 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: SOS for Bascule, Jammer, Red Barn and CNH (R1315) 

> Guys, all we have to do is stay silent for 27 hours and we'll be saved! of
> course, there will be the small matter of an A$11 fee for those not member
> of the church...   :)

  Grump.  I suppose that means my "Ridiculous!" proposal won't fail in time
for me to complain about it, either.  Which means I'm gonna have to foot
the bill for it.  Ah, well, such are the fates of life.  And I should add
that this paragraph is _not_ an attempt to exercise R1448.

- -Red Barn
Slightly more baffled

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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