Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #456
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Friday, January 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 456

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:27:42 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Renumbering

I haven't actually checked (which is my own fault) but has any thought
been given to the problem (if it is one) to entire classes of rules
generally having default precedence over other classes of rules?

- -mr cwm
 wearing a Silly Vacation Hat 

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:25:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposals 1618, 1619 (correction)

Strider voted YES on Proposals 1618 and 1619, according to my records.  
I managed to get the bot to misplace these votes sometime last week.  :o(

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:06:10 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins (fwd) 

One more comment from internomic.

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>Date: 	Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:38:30 +0100 (MET)
>From: Orjan Johansen <[email-masked]>
>Reply-To: Orjan Johansen <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins
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>
>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:
>
>> Any action permitted by R114 that falls within the boundries on internomi=
c
>> is possible because we are playing a hypothetical game and are not
>> constrained by real life physics, etc.
>>
>> Let's think of it another way.  Previous score changes have been made by =
an
>> announcement by the Moderator.  Why should the actions required for
>> Acknomic to change it's own score be any different than the actions
>> required for the moderator to change our score?
>
>There is a CFJ in Agora to the effect that the Rules _do_ have
>jurisdiction outside the game. Of course, this is only de jure, but still
>this is the internal guideline.
>
>This is of course very similar to previous discussion in Agora, and as far
>as I know Agora is still divided into a Platonist and a Pragmatist camp,
>who delight in presenting their viewpoints similarly to religious dogmas.
>I am a Platonist myself, perhaps one of the extreme ones, so let me
>explain that view.
>
>The game state is _not_ changed by Player actions, except when this is
>explicitely said. As elJefe noted (and I think there may be an old Agoran
>CFJ to that effect, but then I sometimes recall wrong which viewpoint
>actually won in Court) changing the game state is not possible although it
>is permitted. This was the argumentation before Rule 1011 (which was just
>posted here) made it impermissible as well.
>
>When the Rules say that the scores change, they change. The usually
>following announcement is merely a report of this fact, which happens even
>if the relevant Officer is negligent. Of course, Agora Rules now say
>explicitely when Currency Transfers (we don't have Points any more, but we
>do have other Currencies) take effect, and it is not always at the moment
>of announcement.
>
>I wonder if such a division between "the game is the sum of the Player
>actions" and "the game is a self-sufficient system" exists in other
>Nomics, or if just Agora contains such weird philosophical conundrums?
>
>> There is no prohibition in the rules against retroactive actions,
>> indeed CFJs often cause retroactive changes to the game state.
>
>In Agora I have always firmly claimed that CFJs do not change the game
>state, they just establish what it was the whole time. But then my
>opinions on that matter seems to drive some people mad..
>
>Greetings,
>=D8rjan.
>
>--
>"I don't think USENET is an anarchy.  It isn't that well-organised."
>                                                         - Simon Slavin
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:38:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1619 accepted (Odds-n-Ends)

> Did I miss something, I was on vacation, I should still be active
	You are still active.. except for the purpose of determining 
quorum.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:50:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Renumbering

> Already thinking of Reorg III, I'm not sure where to put the
> following.  Any ideas:
> 
> R 1448, "Crazy French-Scotsman"
	This one should be hard to find.  Toss it in with unclassifiable 
harf.

> R 1502, "Experts"
	This one should be easy to find.  (No idea where to put it.  
Probably with Player stuff, if there is a place for Player stuff...)

> R 1519, "The Size of Things"
	Leave it.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:08:35 PST
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Fictionary

The new ing word is " opinicus"

Send bluffs privately to <[email-masked]>

Habeous Corpus
Brainiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:39:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Senate vote

The senate has unanimously voted YES on all Internomic proposals 321
through 325.

breadbox
senator

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:54:59 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Internomic Win!

This is cool.  Is the Poet Laureate logging all poetry?  I also remember
a request of the Poet Laureate of some sort from the President awhile
back.

Malenkai

Stephen McCulley wrote:

> Salutations!!
> 
>                 I write to praise exalted Malkenkai,
>                 And through his harfy words, the Elder Wayne.
>                 Though Wayne's proposal failed, Acka's did not.
>                 So Malenkai's proposal won the game!
> 
>                 Now Internomic heads for times of strife.
>                 As Calls For Judgement fly from every side.
>                 But here we sit, all cool and calm and big as life.
>                 We know we've won, and take it all in stride.
> 
>         All Hail Malenkai!!

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:44:22 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Internomic Win!

Malenkai spake thusly
> 
> This is cool.  Is the Poet Laureate logging all poetry?  I also remember
> a request of the Poet Laureate of some sort from the President awhile
> back.
> 

Yes, the Poet Laureate is loggin all this.  He recently
update all of his pages to inclulde most of the poetry
that has gone past in the last three months since the
last update.  It's off the Ackanomic Web Pages, but if you
wanna go now, it's

http://cyberplex.punk.net/~thomasm/acka/poet.html

(And, yes, the Rule numbers are all messed up.  I have
them next on my list of things to fix up once I have
finished the Poems I am currently working on, which
should be in the next day or so)

fnord
Poet Laureate

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:21:39 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Player (Mentor: Niccolo) 

We have a new player in Acknaomic and Niccolo Flychuck has been choseen by
the dice server to be his mentor. His real name is Daniel Knapp and his
email address is [email-masked]

He has chosen Red Barn as his Ackanomic name.

In response to the Market Research question he writes:

>I found out about
>Ackanomic from the Ackanomic home page, which I found from Peter Suber's
>home page, which I found from a generic Nomic page, which I found from "The
>Mad Scientists' Home Page".

We welcome him to Acknaomic!

snowgod
Registrar

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:32:46 -6:00
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno)

> Techno has been fortunate enough to find Phoebe's matchbox.
> 

Phoebe spoke thusly......

All hail Malenkai, ever wonderous munition dealer.  Ackanomians 
should not dredge up past winning attempts in their own game to win 
internomic.  Such activity will turn away the masses and Acka may 
find herself alone in the Internomic blackness.

Techno
unless I was dreaming....

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:41:42 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno)

> Phoebe spoke thusly......
> 
> 
> All hail Malenkai, ever wonderous munition dealer.  Ackanomians 
> should not dredge up past winning attempts in their own game to win 
> internomic.  Such activity will turn away the masses and Acka may 
> find herself alone in the Internomic blackness.
> 
> 
> Techno
> unless I was dreaming....

I challenge the authenticity of the message.

Phoebe would never say anything so crass!

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:53:02 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Player (Mentor: Niccolo)

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> We have a new player in Acknaomic and Niccolo Flychuck has been choseen by
> the dice server to be his mentor. His real name is Daniel Knapp and his
> email address is [email-masked]
> 
> He has chosen Red Barn as his Ackanomic name.

His starting cash is A$ 1172.  Welcome to the game!

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:54:49 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno)

A Phoebe authenticity hearing has been called.  The choices are:

Phoebe would never say anything so crass!

Phoebe said much the same thing to me once.

Malenkai
- ------------------------------------------
Matt wrote:
> 
> > Phoebe spoke thusly......
> >
> >
> > All hail Malenkai, ever wonderous munition dealer.  Ackanomians
> > should not dredge up past winning attempts in their own game to win
> > internomic.  Such activity will turn away the masses and Acka may
> > find herself alone in the Internomic blackness.
> >
> >
> > Techno
> > unless I was dreaming....
> 
> I challenge the authenticity of the message.
> 
> Phoebe would never say anything so crass!
> 
> Bascule

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:55:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (Lestrade)

Lestrade has found phoebe's matchbox.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:57:15 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Techno) 

>I challenge the authenticity of the message.
>
>Phoebe would never say anything so crass!

You know, I wondered about that too. But let's see...
First, the win will give Acka prestige beyond what it already has. Second,
it shows we are up there with the best of them if there was any doubt. It
also gives publicity to IN (and Acka). All these things are good. Wonderful
actually.

On the bad side, I should point out we know from experience the problems
that linger on after such events. The messsages and counter statements. The
lines drawn, etc.

So in that respect I agree with Phoebe. However, I also see Phoebe's
statement as a warning that we should be the foremost nomic in patching up
the rules. Also agree with the aspect that tells us to use our experience in IN.

But I say let's win some more! This was a great win, this was a wonderous
event. This is *good*. Too much good is bad, sure Phoebe, but we need some
more good and fun.

And as for the recriminations, the disputes and all that, why do you think I
prefer a tight rule set? Not because I don't like those wins (I lov' em),
not only because it can "crash" nomics (that's very bad), but also because
it draws up lines between players.

Calvin N Hobbes
still saying "Hail Malenkai!"

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:17:07 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Acka: My first action... 

  I have just joined Ackanomic, and now conduct my first action.
It is this:  As permitted by R251, I am changing my Ackanomic name to
"Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".
  According to R1571, I am now a crime.  Of course, "crime" is the
unconjugated form of the word. In my case, the word is "criminal".  You
needn't bother submitting a CFCJ, as I have already done so.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:47:10 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Poet Laureate

Here is the poem I have create for our new President
Niccolo Flychuck, celebrating the events that
happened during his first week in office.  The poem
is in the Tanka form, as he did not specify format.

Candidates speaking
Debates fill the wind with words
What shape is the earth
Voting commences and ends
Niccolo Flychuck ascends

Preparations made
Ackadollars collected
Fund gathering close
Together we all succeed
Now construct our Bomb Shelter

Be wary, players
Tornado approaching soon
Voices echoing
Markovian Dreamers pray
Untethered houses fear not

Malenkai yet plots
A Gadget's use reveal'ed
Murmuring players
Frobnotzer power looming
The President leads the way

Niccolo Flychuck
Takes action, inspiring
Mystic words burst forth
Reading his Scroll of Crumble
To dust he sends the Gadget

Lost knowledge comes back
Ript from the Time of Ancients
Acka-Physicist
Uncovers the lore of old
Why did Cow Town's Lake fall free?

From elsewhere, voices
A Patch, almost like our home
Can an Eggplant leave?
Watch great minds invent new Laws
Can something be here and there?

True and False collide
A keen mind sees through the board
An Insight brought forth
Words written, explaining all
A person can never win

So passes a week
In our Ackanomic fair
A glimpse of the past
And visions of what might be
The sound of one Rule clapping

fnord
Poet Laureate

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:48:52 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Poem for Elder tinan

Now, it is my pleasure to recite the poem which was commissioned
by snowgod, to honor Elder this is not a name.  It is a poem
titled "This is the Poem's Title"

This is the Poem's Title

This is the first line of a poem of Honor
Whose couplets must rhyme, or it is surely a goner.
The second couplet won't be quite so tame
For this is a poem about this is not a name.

A second stanza begins, though not quite so tragic,
Which mentions a Number, albeit one quite Magic,
For the End of a Cycle, but not of the Game,
Enjoyed quite so much by this is not a name.

And on we continue with This is the Poem's Title,
Demonstrating what the amazing tinan's insight'll
Display for those whose unclear gaze
Caused confusion on 'alternate Wednesdays and Thursdays'.

This poem is now more than halfway done,
How much longer can self-reference go without being overdone?
The Poet Laureate shall rest, if it is all just the same,
In the Hotels devised by this is not a name.

This poem now closes, as its fifth stanza shows,
As the Little Lamb "baaas" and wrinkles its nose.
Let us thank our dear Elder, this is not a name
For increasing the Harfiness of our wonderful game.

fnord
Poet Laureate

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 02:36:52 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Poet Laureate

*applause*

Great poetry, fnord. I particularly enjoyed the president's one.

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:38:43 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: My first action... 

>  I have just joined Ackanomic, and now conduct my first action.
>It is this:  As permitted by R251, I am changing my Ackanomic name to
>"Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer".
>  According to R1571, I am now a crime.  Of course, "crime" is the
>unconjugated form of the word. In my case, the word is "criminal".  You
>needn't bother submitting a CFCJ, as I have already done so.

R1571 is now R729.
And you may not have that name since R251 says:

        This name must be a string of name characters from three to twenty
        characters in length.

Sorry about that. I liked the idea though.

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:42:04 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official

When voting in the Phoebe hearings, please indicate which Phoebe
hearing your votes are intended for.

thx
Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:59:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

The following was submitted labelled as a CFCJ, yet it does not
comply with R 710 on at least 2 counts.  I'll let the justice system
sort this one out, I just work here :)  

In any case, the court fee will be debited retroactively, or in the
proper thread, or has been already been debited but we have not
'discovered' that fact, depending on how you wish to verbalize these
things (I've been reading too much Internomic discussion ;))

Clerk of the Courts.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Call for Criminal Judgement 119
  Subject:  Crime
Initiator:  Red Barn
    Judge:  AirHead (selected Jan 16, 1997, 21:54 EST)
Judgement: 

Statement:

Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer is a criminal.

Red Barn's Reasoning:

Per R1571, which contains the phrase

    "Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer is a crime."

Needless to say, for a player, the word is "criminal", rather than "crime".

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:08:28 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ThinMan's snowgod's disease hearing

ThinMan has snowgod's disease for the rest of the month.  snowgod,
who is also infected, is permitted to write a non-binding prescription.

Count Tabula

Infected (8)
- --------
snowgod
Malenkai
breadbox
Swann
Evil Ballot Stuffer
Calvin N Hobbes
Bascule
Habeous Corpus

Uninfected (3)
- ----------
ThinMan
mr cwm
Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:20:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

> In any case, the court fee will be debited retroactively, or in the
> proper thread, or has been already been debited but we have not
> 'discovered' that fact, depending on how you wish to verbalize these
> things (I've been reading too much Internomic discussion ;))
	I like the last, personally.  :o)
	Just to mix messages, I would like to thank welcome Red Barn to
the game... and thank em for *trying* to hijack that truly unforgivable
pun... I approve of the sentiment at least.  Every time I look at that
rule I have to suppress a groan.
	And thanks to fnord (and his patrons) for the wonderful poetry. 

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:27:59 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Web Pages

All of my web pages are back on-line and up to date.  These pages
are:

Players/Entities (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackayp.htm)

For newbies, this is usually more up to date than the link listed
as "Current List of Active Players" on the main page.  I'm not sure
if that page is maintained anymore.

Internomic homepage (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/zhome.htm)

Current Events (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackace.htm)
Trinket records (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackata.htm)
Treasures and clues (http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackabta.htm)

And a few others.  ITW apologizes for the downtime.

Malenkai
assistant web-harfer

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:51:24 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: On the Reorganization of the rules

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Rule 201, up there by itself, describes the quorum for voting on
> proposals, and seems it ought to be numbered with the other 100's
> rules about proposals.

Perhaps 107?

> Rule 208 is a metarule describing the timing of all scoring changes.
> (Perhaps this should go before the 207's?)

Perhaps 205?

> [R 210] either belongs in the early 300's with other
> rules about rules, or up in the 100's (102 is a good place) to give
> it precedence (over rules with conflicting precedence statements).

Sounds good.
 
> Rules 219-222 describe winning conditions.
> Rule 235 is the Chartreuse Goose - belongs here with the winning rules.

Any opinions on moving these to the 600s, to be right before the end
of cycle stuff, or do we like them between judgements and players?
 
> 700's (16 rules)
> There are two groups here that seem to be too close together.
> 
> Rules 709-716 define the Criminal Justice procedure and some crimes.
> 
> Rules 720 and 721 are Institutions and Organizations, and rules
> 722, 723, 726-729 are related to political parties.

This whole area 720+ was meant to be orgs and insts.  Perhaps higher
in the 700s, or in the 1000s, which are free now.  I figured I'd
keep 1000s open in case we ever had more than 100 entities.  Do we
think we could vote ourselves that many?  I hear some players groaning
at that thought ;)

> 1400's (1 rule)
> Rule 1448 (Crazy French-Scotsmen) is left over here.

This should, as a possibility, be moved to the 1100s.
 
> 1500's (2 rules)
> Rule 1502 (Experts) could start a new block of rules here if we
> make more rules about what experts do.

ok.
 
> Rule 1519 (The Size of Things) probably belongs with the entity rules.

I'm not sure about this one.  I was actually thinking with the locations,
and Mohammed thought keep it here.  I dunno, entities is fine, I guess.

I have made comments as to where I think the stuff in the queue should
go, if it passes.  Any comments on this before reorg III is RFCed?

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:17:59 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (Red Barn))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead) 

At 9:59 PM on 1/16/97, Malenkai wrote:

> The following was submitted labelled as a CFCJ, yet it does not
> comply with R 710 on at least 2 counts.  I'll let the justice system
> sort this one out, I just work here :)
>
> In any case, the court fee will be debited retroactively, or in the
> proper thread, or has been already been debited but we have not
> 'discovered' that fact, depending on how you wish to verbalize these
> things (I've been reading too much Internomic discussion ;))

   What!  Court fee!  That rule didn't make sense to me!  Everyone keeps
switching the rules around!  How am I supposed to keep track!  Nobody ever
told me about that!  AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!  Don't just sit there,
_do_something_!!!  Of course, if there is no court fee, I didn't say this
paragraph...

  CFCJ????  You can't be CFCJed just because you're a crime or a criminal!
You have to _commit_ a crime for that to happen!  None of these rules make
_one_iota_ of sense to me!  And they all keep changing!  You're changing
them!  WHY?!?!!  No one even _mentioed_ CFCJs to me!  How was I supposed to
know????  WELL????  I _DEMAND_ that someone take action!!!!!

  There, now I've got about 20 hours to do this twice more.  Or once,
depending.  That's a good start. :)

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:27:30 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead)

Dan Knapp (Red Barn) wrote:

>    What!  Court fee!  That rule didn't make sense to me!  Everyone keeps
> switching the rules around!  How am I supposed to keep track!  Nobody ever
> told me about that!  AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!  Don't just sit there,
> _do_something_!!!  Of course, if there is no court fee, I didn't say this
> paragraph...
> 
>   CFCJ????  You can't be CFCJed just because you're a crime or a criminal!
> You have to _commit_ a crime for that to happen!  None of these rules make
> _one_iota_ of sense to me!  And they all keep changing!  You're changing
> them!  WHY?!?!!  No one even _mentioed_ CFCJs to me!  How was I supposed to
> know????  WELL????  I _DEMAND_ that someone take action!!!!!

I guess we still have to determine if there *is* actually a court fee
to see if R 1448 kicks in.  

Malenkai
who was wondering if that rule would ever be invoked

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:28:56 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead) 

Red Barn

Two things.
First, ask your mentor to check a few things for you, it'll save you a lot
of surprises later. Niccolo is our president and a true wiz kid o' the rules.
Second, I think by your complaint, you have just invoked R1448. I think
that's what you had in mind?

Was this a test? Will you give me A$100 reward for catching this?    :)

Calvin N Hobbes
still amazed new players get that much cash

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:35:58 -0800
From: Stephen McCulley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead

Salutations!

		I wish to purchase a Prosthetic Forehead.  It makes the wearers head
appear to have grown to a disproporionate size compared to the rest of
eir head.  It has, written on it in glowing white letters, MALENKAI! 
Speaker, Expert, Wizard, and Mentor Supreme!  Hail Him!

I give it to Malenkai, assuming he acks the transaction.

			Regards,
				Strider
(with thanks for being an incredibly harfy Mentor)

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:43:50 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Prosthetic Forehead

Stephen McCulley wrote:
> 
> Salutations!
> 
>                 I wish to purchase a Prosthetic Forehead.  It makes the wearers head
> appear to have grown to a disproporionate size compared to the rest of
> eir head.  It has, written on it in glowing white letters, MALENKAI!
> Speaker, Expert, Wizard, and Mentor Supreme!  Hail Him!
> 
> I give it to Malenkai, assuming he acks the transaction.

Thanks.  I gratefully ack this transaction.  Does this mean I have a
big head? ;)  In any case, I remove my current forehead and put this
new one on.

Malenkai
partially satisfiying conditions to a treasure

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:52:30 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> I guess we still have to determine if there *is* actually a court fee
> to see if R 1448 kicks in.

  I was also thinking that a CFCJ was itself a penalty, and so it may be,
but re-reading R1448, I can't complain about that in any case.  So now I
only have one use, and that only potentially.  Looks like I need to stir
things up.  By the way, the Earth is round.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:54:22 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 (AirHead) 

At 10:28 PM on 1/16/97, T Joffrain wrote:

> Red Barn
>
> Two things.
> First, ask your mentor to check a few things for you, it'll save you a lot
> of surprises later. Niccolo is our president and a true wiz kid o' the rules.
> Second, I think by your complaint, you have just invoked R1448. I think
> that's what you had in mind?

  'Twas indeed.  I did ask, but haven't received a reply, and I'm working
on a 24-hour deadline.  Unless someone can tell me how I would go about
proposing extending that to a week?

> Was this a test? Will you give me A$100 reward for catching this?    :)

  No.  No.    :(

> still amazed new players get that much cash

  Muhahahahahaha.  Me, too.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:10:36 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Acka: Gift to treasury. 

  In accordance with testing the rules even further, I am donating A$ 2 to
the Treasury, _unless_ doing so would not count as "los[ing] points or
currency", for the purposes of rule 1448, in which case I don't.  In the
event that the immediately preceding qualifier is invalid but not illegal,
I omit it.  In the event that it _is_ illegal, I do _not_ omit it!

  I didn't understand about that!  Despite the fact that I did it of my own
free will, I didn't definitely know it would be binding!  Just because I
posted one sentence, I'm penalized A$ 2???!@#?!@?#!?  How can this be?
These rules don't make any sense!  They keep on changing!  You're changing
them!  You never told me about the rule that says that's binding!  Nobody
did!  Honest!  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, won't somebody
_DO_SOMETHING!?!!?!?

  As ever (only A$ shorter, perhaps),

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:17:20 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> Looks like I need to stir things up.

This will be fun. You should join the Church of the Markovian Dream. It's
got a lot of Heretics who think pushing the envelope is good.

>  By the way, the Earth is round.

Ha! This is greeeeeeeat! Of course, you'll end up enlightened, so it's not
as good.
Snowgod and I have been burned more times than everyone else put together.
Well, he has been burned twice as many times as I have.

I think Snowgod and I could have more rejected props than everyone else put
together too. Maybe not. But still, what an amazing though.

Snowgod, are you _my_ evil twin?

Calvin N Hobbes
Heretic Extraordinaire

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:21:20 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 327 (ThinMan)

ThinMan has been chosen.  Big suprise :)

Clerk of the Courts
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 327
  Subject: CFCJ 119
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: ThinMan (selected Jan 17, 1997, 00:13h EST)
Judgement: 

Statement:

The game action labelled as CFCJ 119 which occurred Jan 16, 1997, 21:59,
was a Call for Criminal Judgement.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

I just need to know about the Court Fee.  I would probably judge FALSE,
but the TRUE case is much more interesting and I could see that verdict
as well.  On technical grounds, CFCJ 119 violates R 710, but does that
prevent it from coming into existance as a CFCJ?  I could see calling
a CFCJ on the initiator for breaking the rules :).  If it is not a CFCJ,
what is it?  For the factual record, it was submitted to the CotC labelled
as a CFCJ.

Is Loophole Surfing back in Acka?

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:24:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more...

T Joffrain wrote:

> >  By the way, the Earth is round.

I am calling a witchhunt on Calvin N Hobbes for this post, which
clearly states a heresy.

A hearing has been called.  Vote at [email-masked].  The choices are:

"No! E said the Earth is flat" and 

"BURN THE WITCH!" 

Malenkai
Witchfinder General

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:37:02 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>> >  By the way, the Earth is round.
>
>I am calling a witchhunt on Calvin N Hobbes for this post, which
>clearly states a heresy.

Well, thank you dear one-man-Spanish-Iquisition I was wondering who would
take me up on that one.   :)      Not that I mind...

R1505 or R1513.... Sigh. So many choices.
Or I could just be burned. It's a very _cool_ experience... [grin]
Ah, perchance to try and catch snowgod in the hereticism race.

Calvin N Hobbes
seriously thinking about this

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:41:53 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> >> >  By the way, the Earth is round.
> >
> >I am calling a witchhunt on Calvin N Hobbes for this post, which
> >clearly states a heresy.
>
> Well, thank you dear one-man-Spanish-Iquisition I was wondering who would
> take me up on that one.   :)      Not that I mind...

  Now wait a minute!  _I_ posted that!

  Or, were you responding to the quoted text in _his_ reply to _my_ message?
  At any rate, if such is the case, I am calling a witchhunt on Red Barn
for this post, which clearly states a heresy.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:48:13 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more...

T Joffrain wrote:

> I think Snowgod and I could have more rejected props than everyone else put
> together too. Maybe not. But still, what an amazing though.

Only about 24% actually.  But you guys are still going strong :)

Malenkai
assistant statistics-harfer

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:52:08 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>  Now wait a minute!  _I_ posted that!

Isn't it cool?   [big grin]
There is a secret organization that doesn't want others to be enlightened
perhaps.  :)

>  Or, were you responding to the quoted text in _his_ reply to _my_ message?

Yup. It's a valid interpretation of the rule. I've been burned for less.
Actually, note I should be burned twice because I repeated the message later
as well. Hint hint.   :)

>  At any rate, if such is the case, I am calling a witchhunt on Red Barn
>for this post, which clearly states a heresy.

This gets better! Ha ha ha!
Sorry, but you can't. R1307 says:
        ...may be the case, any other Player may start a Witchhunt by...

See, "other player". I could even call a CFCJ on this. Isn't this getting
better and better every time? You could always try and bribe the goaler once
they put you in jail.   :)

Calvin N Hobbes
who really, really can't stop grinning

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:53:20 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more...

Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz) wrote:

>   Now wait a minute!  _I_ posted that!
> 
>   Or, were you responding to the quoted text in _his_ reply to _my_ message?
>   At any rate, if such is the case, I am calling a witchhunt on Red Barn
> for this post, which clearly states a heresy.

Sorry, you cannot call a witchhunt on yourself ;)  I was responding to
heretic CnH's post.  I have an unusual definition of amusing.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:54:53 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

>> I think Snowgod and I could have more rejected props than everyone else put
>> together too. Maybe not. But still, what an amazing though.
>
>Only about 24% actually.  But you guys are still going strong :)

Still, 24%, I'm proud. We'll reach 50% and on that day, all heretics shall
rejoice. Well, there can only be the two of us so...   :)

>Malenkai
>assistant statistics-harfer

Where does one sign up for that.  :)

Calvin N Hobbes
still in a :) mood... wait till you see my new props :)

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:52:57 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Dan Knapp (A.K.A. TheWiz))
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 119 and more... 

> > Well, thank you dear one-man-Spanish-Iquisition I was wondering who would
> > take me up on that one.   :)      Not that I mind...
>
>   Now wait a minute!  _I_ posted that!

  That was, by the way, _not_ an attempt to exercise R1448.  Thank you.

- -------------------------------------------
    Daniel Knapp        Head Programmer
 [email-masked]    FeatherWate Software
    http://www.bergen.org/~dankna/FWS
- -------------------------------------------
      I think that I shall never see,
        A poem as lovely as a joke.
      Indeed - unless the poems fall,
     I may never see a joke - at all.
- -------------------------------------------

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