Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #454
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Ackanomic Digest      Wednesday, January 15 1997      Volume 01 : Number 454

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:05:02 -0600
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: *ping* 

Today is Wednesday, the 15th day of January, in the Year of Our Lord 1997, 
and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. 
Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 5 times. 

/dev/joe
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:42:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping* 

>Today is Wednesday, the 15th day of January, in the Year of Our Lord 1997,
>and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.
>Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 5 times.
>
>/dev/joe
>Scholar of *ping*

Oh Scholar,

I wish to hazard a guess as to the truth of the Machine that goes ping.  I
have yet to be ridiculed, so even if I am mistaken, I will at least have
something to look forward to.

Is the truth of the Machine:

IF AND ONLY IF today has a date made only of two different prime numbers,
THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*.

?

snowgod
ready for ridicule

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:51:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping*

snowgod babbled:
> I wish to hazard a guess as to the truth of the Machine that goes ping.  I
> have yet to be ridiculed, so even if I am mistaken, I will at least have
> something to look forward to.
> 
> Is the truth of the Machine:
> 
> IF AND ONLY IF today has a date made only of two different prime numbers,
> THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*.

snowgod, who has never before been ridiculed (in the sense of the Machine
game; otherwise he's had his difficulties, including a disease that
so plagues him that it was named after him), has made a guess which very
closely resembles that which breadbox guessed not long ago, and this is
so far from the Truth that in the land where that phrase is spoken of as
gospel, the residents don't even understand the meaning of the word "truth".

/dev/joe
Scholar of *ping*
Watching Students fall like flies.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:36:52 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Acka wins Internomic? 

Follwing are Four forwards from the internomic list.  They are a discussion
of Acknaomic's claim to have won internomic.  Consensus seems to be that we
have, but I am still awaiting out CFJ to be distributed.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:38:05 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  RE: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins FWD 

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>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 12:50:50 GMT
>From: Anthony Bailey <[email-masked]>
>To: [email-masked]
>Subject: Re: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins
>
>Hello,
>
>(Although I am currently the Thring Internomic liaison, these comments
>represent my own opinions, not necessarily those of the other Players
>of Thring.)
>
>After considering carefully, Steve Gardner of Agora decided there were
>strong grounds for Ackanomic's claim to have won to be upheld, due to
>the particular nature of Rule 114. I would tend to agree. What is
>elJefe's objection to their claim?
>
>(Note that we have no one individual responsible for interpreting the
>rules. If this matter cannot be decided by agreement, it ought to be
>decided by a statement for judgement, I guess.)
>
>> Of course this cuts both ways. It seems equally true to me that
>> Agora's Liaison Eljefe is not prohibited from retroactively altering
>> Agora's score, or Ackanomic's for that matter.
>
>Yep. This also concorded with my own opinion.
>
>> Where this leaves us, I don't know... it seems likely that
>> Internomic will soon degenerate into a morass of claims and
>> counterclaims about the current state of the game, as Nomics in
>> their infancies are in my experience only too prone to do.
>
>One good first step would be to make some appropriate changes to Rule
>114. (I have submitted a Proposal on behalf of Thring to do this.)
>
>Since this is a Nomic being played by those with some experience, I
>would hope that no members are inclined to engage in any further
>shennanigans, as we don't want the game to fall apart. A mutual
>agreement not to make further "unforbidden" changes should be
>respected until our understanding of the game state has stabilised. To
>be honest, I'm not sure Ackanomic's actions were particularly
>worthwhile or interesting as yet, but if this matter does turn out to
>produce some non-trivial and non-destructive activity I may yet be
>persuaded otherwise. (c:
>--
>@*-.,_,.-`'-=*@@*=-`'-.,_,.-*@  For my contact details, and information on the
>|          Anthony.          |  bands Pulp, Saint Etienne, and the
>Kitchens OD,
>@*-.,_,.-`'-=*@@*=-'`-.,_,.-*@  home's
><URL:http://WWW.CS.Man.ac.UK/~baileya/>.
>Anthony Bailey studies for a CompSci/Maths PhD at the University of Manchester
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:38:25 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins 

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>From: Chuan-Tze Teo <[email-masked]>
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>On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Steve Gardner wrote:
>
>> is not forbidden is allowed. As I say, I'm not overly familiar with
>> the IN Ruleset, but I'd be surprised if at his early stage of its
>> development, it forbids Acka's changing its score to whatever it likes.
>
>I think Ackanomic has just won the first game with their 100 points, and
>made their point. I suggest that we fix rule 114 before proceeding with
>the next game. What about a rule that states something like:
>
>  Any action that would affect the state of the game is forbidden unless
>  specifically allowed by the rules.
>
>> Of course this cuts both ways. It seems equally true to me that Agora's
>> Liaison Eljefe is not prohibited from retroactively altering Agora's
>> score, or Ackanomic's for that matter, If I recall correctly, most
>> Initial Sets modelled on Suber's prohibit only the retroactive application
>> of Rules, not the retroactive effect of Player moves.
>
>I would guess that the game is over and thus no more retroactive actions
>(or random game-state changes via Rule 114) are thus possible. On the
>other hand, maybe I haven't read the rules properly.
>
>
>- Chuan
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:37:40 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins (FWD) 

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>From: Steve Gardner <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins
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>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:05:42 +1100 (EST)
>Cc: [email-masked] (Thring Nomic)
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>
>Phil Ackley writes:
>>
>>In accordance with R114, Ackanomic has changed it's score to 100 points,
>>and hence wins the game.
>
>My learned fellow Agoran Eljefe has stated that he does not believe that
>Ackanomic can win the game of Internomic in this fashion. At first I
>was inclined to agree with him, based on my own experience with the
>Rule which Agora has preserved verbatim from Suber's Initial Set (c. 1982),
>which in Agora is numbered 116:
>
>Rule 116/0 (Semimutable, MI=3)
>Permissibility of the Unprohibited
>
>      Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a Rule is permitted
>      and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the Rules,
>      which is permitted only when a Rule or set of Rules explicitly
>      or implicitly permits it.
>
>Attempts similar to the one by Ackanomic were made in Agora's early
>days, but these were ruled inadmissible by the courts on the
>grounds that scoring, in general, is a regulated activity, being
>regulated by a number of Rules even in the Initial Set, and hence
>did not fall under the aegis of R116. This is certainly not a
>knockdown argument, but it has at least some plausibility.
>
>Not being overly familiar with the Internomic Set, I assumed that
>the Rule 114 to which snowgod refers was the same as our Rule 116.
>Not so, however:
>
>Rule 114/0 (Immutable)
>
>              Whatever is not forbidden is allowed, except that
> changing the rules is only permitted when another rule
> allows it.
>
>As I read this, whatever plausibility the argument from regulation
>has or had in Agora, it is entirely irrelevant here, for IN Rule 114
>makes no mention whatever of regulation. It says only that whatever
>is not forbidden is allowed. As I say, I'm not overly familiar with
>the IN Ruleset, but I'd be surprised if at his early stage of its
>development, it forbids Acka's changing its score to whatever it likes.
>
>Of course this cuts both ways. It seems equally true to me that Agora's
>Liaison Eljefe is not prohibited from retroactively altering Agora's
>score, or Ackanomic's for that matter, If I recall correctly, most
>Initial Sets modelled on Suber's prohibit only the retroactive application
>of Rules, not the retroactive effect of Player moves.
>
>Where this leaves us, I don't know. Perhaps Eljefe had a different
>argument to the argument from regulation in mind when he raised his
>objection. I hope so - otherwise, it seems likely that Internomic will
>soon degenerate into a morass of claims and counterclaims about the
>current state of the game, as Nomics in their infancies are in my
>experience only too prone to do.
>
>
>--
>
>Steve Gardner                     | When you come to a fork in the road,
>Dept. of Philosophy, Monash Uni.  | take it.
>[email-masked]   |                       -- Yogi Berra
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:07:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic?

snowgod wrote:
> Follwing are Four forwards from the internomic list.  They are a discussion
> of Acknaomic's claim to have won internomic.  Consensus seems to be that we
> have, but I am still awaiting out CFJ to be distributed.

Who was it who discovered this loophole in tne Internomic rules?
If it should result that Ackanomic wins Internomic due to this,
he deserves a big reward for this job.

/dev/joe
Watching Internomic fall into crisis mode

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 08:14:45 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic? 

>Who was it who discovered this loophole in tne Internomic rules?
>If it should result that Ackanomic wins Internomic due to this,
>he deserves a big reward for this job.
>
>/dev/joe
>Watching Internomic fall into crisis mode

Malenkai was the one who pointed out the possibility of Acknaomic being
able to change it's own score.  All hail Malenkai!

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:20:45 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka:  RE: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins FWD

Thring's Internomic Liaison wrote:

>>After considering carefully, Steve Gardner of Agora decided there were
>>strong grounds for Ackanomic's claim to have won to be upheld, due to
>>the particular nature of Rule 114. I would tend to agree. What is
>>elJefe's objection to their claim?

Elder Wayne's undead is doing cartwheels right now.  Really.  I saw it.
Wayne himself would be indulging in a deep belly-laugh if he knew about
this, I imagine.

snowgod:  Please forward the remainder of this message to the Internomic
list.

>> To
>>be honest, I'm not sure Ackanomic's actions were particularly
>>worthwhile or interesting as yet, but if this matter does turn out to
>>produce some non-trivial and non-destructive activity I may yet be
>>persuaded otherwise. (c:

Admittedly, demonstrating such a big alleged loophole has the potential
to cause problems, but it also allows us to close the loophole, which
otherwise would persist.  I think that the potential problems are much
fewer now, when the game is small, than they would be later.  Also, I
think you will find that older Ackanomians consider the issues raised
by this action to be of great interest -- Ackanomic has had to work its
way through a series of thorny issues related to its equivalent of
Internomic Rule 114.  Indeed, a CFJ decision denying the validity of
a very similar win attempt caused us problems in various ways for
months.  Our rule was worded slightly differently than Internomic's,
however, so our experience is not necessarilly an indication of the
effects a denial of our Internomic win attempt might have (nor of
the validity of our win attempt under Internomic's rules).

ThinMan
Ackanomic

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 14:43:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Internomic: Ackanomic Wins (FWD)

>Of course this cuts both ways. It seems equally true to me that Agora's
>Liaison Eljefe is not prohibited from retroactively altering Agora's
>score, or Ackanomic's for that matter, If I recall correctly, most
>Initial Sets modelled on Suber's prohibit only the retroactive application
>of Rules, not the retroactive effect of Player moves.
	Two notes--
	One, if a Player wanted to retroactively change Ackanomic's score,
this would (imho) be an application of Rule 114 (Permissibility), which is
fine except that I think the Retroactivity ban has higher precedence.  I 
don't think Rule 114 can be used to justify such a move.
	Two, even if Eljefe succeeded in retroactively effecting some change
to Ackanomic's score, I don't see that as changing the fact that Ackanomic
won when it did (although perhaps it would mean that Agora could sneak in a
win before ours.)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:38:59 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic? 

At 08:14 AM 15-01-97 -0900, Phil Ackley wrote:
>
>>Who was it who discovered this loophole in tne Internomic rules?
>>If it should result that Ackanomic wins Internomic due to this,
>>he deserves a big reward for this job.
>>
>>/dev/joe
>>Watching Internomic fall into crisis mode
>
>Malenkai was the one who pointed out the possibility of Acknaomic being
>able to change it's own score.  All hail Malenkai!

Hail Malenkai!

Calvin N Hobbes
reserving the right to make a victory trinket for Malenkai when all is confirmed

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:45:58 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic?

On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, snowgod wrote:

>
>Malenkai was the one who pointed out the possibility of Acknaomic being
>able to change it's own score.  All hail Malenkai!
>

Indeed.  All hail Malenkai!  (Shouldn't the Frobnozzer Magic Medal Co.,
Ackanomic Division (or whatever it is) get some business out of this?)

- -mr cwm

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:49:50 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Oops! 

I was so overwhelmed at the prospect of Ackanomic being the first winner
of Internomic, that I forgot I was wearing a truly wonderful (and I'd like
to say unforgettable, but I guess that's out) Silly Vacation Hat.  My
apologies to all (especially snowgod, a Mad Hatter beyond compare).

- -mr cwm
 definitely Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:16:05 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic?

mr cwm wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, snowgod wrote:
> 
> >
> >Malenkai was the one who pointed out the possibility of Acknaomic being
> >able to change it's own score.  All hail Malenkai!
> >
> 
> Indeed.  All hail Malenkai!

thx.  As many know, it was Wayne's idea from the grave, although the
wording of the Internomic R 115 equivalent is much looser than ours was
at the time of CFJ 113.

Anyone interested in history should check out CFJ 113, archived on wilma,
and then, CFJ 222 and 227, among others.  'Round the Earth was thinking
of publishing year end awards; it probably won't, but CFJ 113 and CFJ 227
were the contenders for CFJ of the year, in the editors' humble opinions.

Malenkai
who wonders if the loophole surfing in his own nomic has stopped due to
wonderfully tight rules ;)

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic?

> Anyone interested in history should check out CFJ 113, archived on wilma,
> and then, CFJ 222 and 227, among others.  'Round the Earth was thinking
> of publishing year end awards; it probably won't, but CFJ 113 and CFJ 227
> were the contenders for CFJ of the year, in the editors' humble opinions.
	I prefer CFJ 228.  That entire era was full of juicy bits, though.  
A dark time for the rebellion.

	The Supreme Court ruling of the year had to be CFJ 230.  :o)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:08:13 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fictionary Results

The ing word is agrise.  I only received 3 votes, out of 6 players.
The non-voters are deemed to have voted for their own submission.

> 1. To coat or cook in oil. [breadbox, 0 votes]
> 2. To shudder with terror; to tremble with fear. [0 votes, Malenkai +2]

2 was the real definition.  The root, 'grise', is also the root of
'grizzily'.

> 3. Gunfire directed along the length of a target, such as a column
> of troops. [snowgod, 0 votes]

This is the wrong part of speech.  Its writer, snowgod, should be 
concentrating on haiku proposals, not fictionary bluffing :)

> 4. [Techno, no submission, 0 votes]
> 5. To wander. [ThinMan +1 vote (/dev/joe)]
> 6. To examine a piece of land to determine its suitability for
> planting crops. [/dev/joe +2 votes (ThinMan, snowgod)]
> 7. [Habeous Corpus, no submission, 0 votes]

Web page format:

Player          Definition voted for            Definition written
- ------          --------------------            ------------------
/dev/joe                  5                              6
Habeous Corpus            7                              7
breadbox                  1                              1
snowgod                   6                              3
ThinMan                   6                              5
Techno (Guy Fawkes)       4                              4

              Previous score  Score this round  Cumulative score
/dev/joe            10                2                12
snowgod              6                0                 6
ThinMan              3                1                 4
Techno (Guy Fawkes)  8                0                 8
breadbox            10                0                10
Malenkai             3                2                 5
Habeous Corpus       2                0                 2

- --
Habeous Corpus is the new Brainiac.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:13:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1618 accepted (Reorg II)

Proposal 1618
Reorganization IIa
Malenkai

Votes cast by active players:  15 / 20 = 75.000000%
Yes:  16    No:  0     Present:  0   ...Proposal is accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	Habeous Corpus
	/dev/joe
	Lestrade
	Robert Sevin
	Calvin N Hobbes
	fnord
	Swann
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	snowgod
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Techno
	Mohammed
	Malenkai
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	G. Peefalt
	Bascule
	Clairence
	Strider
	AirHead

Text of accepted proposal:

Proposal 1618
Reorganization IIa
Malenkai

[
I.  This is a continuation of Reorg I and "Players".  The idea is
to move some more stuff near its brothers.  As for xx.yyy, etc, my
personal preference is to have no more than one "." in rule number.
This reorg does a logical grouping and does not worry about that
issue for now.  The idea here is that its fairly easy to learn that
locations are in the 800s, players in the 250s, Judgement in the low
200s, crime in the 700s, etc, and the "." isn't needed until a cluster
gets crowded.

II.  It leaves open some issues:

1) Seperate vs single rule documents.  This preserves the single rule
document concept that acka uses, and many players like.

2) Drift.  What about new rules, and where they go.  I have been counting
on people placing self-renumbering clauses in their new rules.  This
is where the descretion should be, IMO, so that both the content and
organization can be reasons to vote no (in other words, write a good
rule, and be clear as to where it belongs).  Ulitmately, then, reorg
descretion is with the voters.

This proposal, then, does not address the issue of giving some player
or players the power to renumber rules; that is a seperate issue
and is not its intent.

3) Logical Rule Order.  We can defer whether or not we want to do this.
I believe we can accomplish the same thing by chapter heading rules in
our rules.  Again, that issue is beyond the scope of this reorg.

III.  What I am trying to do here.

1.  Move some of the meta rules, and other rules dealing with proposals
and voting and rule organization into the 300s.  There is nothing related
to that stuff in the 300s now, they are in the mid 400s and scattered.
The first thought was to move the scatter into the mid 400s, but I find
it a better idea to move this stuff into the 300s, as it seems more meta,
and helps the rules by 100s byte count.  There are a few oddballs in the
300s now, which all have logical places to go elsewhere anyway.

2.  Move e-mail related stuff into the high 300s.  More meta stuff that
is now scattered.

3.  Move all entities someplace. 900s to 1000s sounds good.  Entites
are scattered now, and 900s to 1000s will be freed up.

Thats the controversial stuff in my mind.  The rest is just clustering
stuff around where it currently is anyway.
]

I.  [Proposal/Voting and Rule Meta-Rules, other meta rules]
- -----------------------------------------------------------
renumber R 452, "Proposal and Rule Titles" to 301
renumber R 453, "Proposal and Rule Numbering" to 303
renumber R 454, "For Personal Glory..." to 305
renumber R 455, "Revision Numbers" to 307
renumber R 1325, "Substantially Similar Proposals" to 309
renumber R 1307.1, "Rule Suites" to 311 [great band]
renumber R 793, "Proposal Bribery" to 313
renumber R 554, "Tammany" to 315
renumber R 1386, "Bonus Votes" to 317
renumber R 1457, "Unanimity Is Lovely (although not so lovely as it used to
be)" to 319
renumber R 450, "Retractions" to 330
renumber R 451, "Spelling Errors" to 340
renumber R 1022, "Spelling Bee" to 342
renumber R 545, "Notes and Comments" to 344
renumber R 546, "Self Deleting Text" to 346
renumber R 703, " " to 348
renumber R 1396, "Hearings" to 360
renumber R 629, "Crisis Resolution" to 362

II.  [E-mail/ettiquite]
- -----------------------
renumber R 901, "No E-mail, No Game" to 370
renumber R 622, "Customary Subject Line" to 372
renumber R 400, "Politeness Moon" to 374
renumber R 1311, "Time Zone" to 380 [a bit of a stretch, got a better
idea, it is 'meta']

III.  [Actual Entities (and their related rules)]
- -------------------------------------------------
renumber R 306, "The Magic Potato" to 901
renumber R 495, "Gumball" to 903
renumber R 549, "The Blue Cross" to 905
renumber R 1033, "Bronze Torch" to 907
renumber R 730, "Steel Flea" to 909
renumber R 762, "The Great Trombone of Ackanomia" to 911
renumber R 761, "Parades" to 913
renumber R 818, "Prosthetic Foreheads" to 915
renumber R 1036, "Rock" to 917
renumber R 824, "Brass Monkey" to 919
renumber R 826, "Acid Rain Dance" to 921
renumber R 827, "The Amber Banana" to 923
renumber R 891, "The Press" to 925
renumber R 937, "Silly Vacation Hat" to 927
renumber R 1046, "Baaa" to 929
renumber R 1312, "Garments" to 931
renumber R 1313, "Purple Robe of Justice" to 933
renumber R 1428, "Processing Chips" to 935

IV.  [Party Stuff (to the other party related stuff)]
- -----------------------------------------------------
renumber R 542, "Political Parties" to 722
renumber R 543, "Rewarding Party Unity" to 723
renumber R 728, "Thats just silly" to 207.1 [just in case]
renumber R 729, "Ackanomic Middle Ages" to 1307
renumber R 1269, "Newton, Parties, and Apples" to 728, and amend it
so that its title is "Swingpoints"
renumber R 1571, "Another Truly Deplorable Pun" to 729

V.  [Locations]
- ---------------
amend R 840 so that its title is "Library"
renumber R 1096 to 852, and amend its title to be "Portrait Gallery"
renumber R 1364, "Ackanomic Institute of Genetic Replication" to 854 [is
this on the map?]
renumber R 1554, "Land Baroncy" to 844 [just in case]

VI. [Subgame Related]
- ---------------------
renumber R 1206, "Games & Contests" to 1201
renumber R 1155, "Decks of Playing Cards" to 1203
renumber R 1185, "Description of a Legacy Deck" to 1205
renumber R 1156, "Description of a Eleusis Deck" to 1207
renumber R 1240, "The Machine that goes *ping*" to 1209
renumber R 1241, "Boons of the Ancients" to 1211
renumber R 1276, "Grab-a-Donkey" to 1213
renumber R 1302, "Duels" to 1215
renumber R 1348.2, "Buried Treasure!" to 1217

renumber R 985, "Party Chess Rule Suite" to 1230
renumber rules 985.1 thru 985.99 to 1230.1 thru 1230.99 respectively,
ignoring any rule in the source range which does not exist.

renumber R 1369, "Otzma Card Rule Suite" to 1240
renumber rules 1369.1 thru 1369.99 to 1240.1 thru 1240.99 respectively,
ignoring any rule in the source range which does not exist.

VII.  Religion, Physics, and Nature (all Intertwined)
- -----------------------------------------------------
renumber R 775, "Church" to 1301
renumber R 1356, "Synod" to 1303
renumber R 1014, "Taking the Altar by the Horns" to 1305
[Ackanomic middle ages has previously been renumbered to 1307]
renumber R 1238, "We don't need Gravity" to 1309
renumber R 1306, "If we don't need Gravity, we'd better have Pressure"
to 1311
renumber R 1253, "Tornado" to 1313
renumber R 1329, "Church Sanctuary" to 1315
renumber R 1335, "Codex of Kra" to 1317
renumber R 1344, "Round Earth Restoration Society" to 1319
renumber R 1349, "Rama-lama-ding-dong" to 1321

VIII.  [Other Stuff]
- --------------------
renumber R 339, "Keep 'Em In The Game", to 207.2
renumber R 362, "No Dead Players Allowed" to 257
renumber R 1540.1, "The Mad Scientist" to 596
renumber R 1540.2, "The Frankenstein Monster(s)" to 597
renumber R 1023, "Auction" to 516
renumber R 964, "Undead" to 258
renumber R 419, "Ambassador" to 419.1
renumber R 970, "Ackanomic/Internomic Interface" to 419.2

IX. [Unclassifiable Harf]
- -------------------------
[1112 series is already there]

renumber R 1237, "Fulfilling Campaign Promises" to 1115
renumber R 1330, "Telepathy, Telekinesis, and Side Effecs" to 1117
renumber R 1458, "Undead (aka I didn't come back as a bag of groceries)"
to 1119
renumber R 1508, "This Is Where The Party Ends" to 1121
renumber R 1526, "snowgod's disease" to 1123
renumber R 1579, "Bartender" to 1125
renumber R 1581, "Sanctity of Harf" to 1127

X.  [Unneeded]
- -------------
Repeal R 797, "Festival of Torkola" [fold into 415]
Repeal R 924, "Required Reading" [:(]
Repeal R 1564, "Days of Meditation"

XI.  [In the queue, some of these will be invalid rule changes]
- ---------------------------------------------------------------

renumber R 1586, "Birdhouse in your Soul" to 937
renumber R 1594.1, "Beldin's Tailor" to 939
renumber R 1595.2, "Beldin's Pants" to 940
renumber R 1595, "The Golden Baton of Ackanomia" to 914 [sic]
renumber R 1599, "No False Modesty", to 209.1
[1600 to 1609, we see what passes and decide how to organize it]
renumber R 1607, "Flyunder" to 1129

XI.  [Bad Pointer fixup - yuck this counts on the previous renumberings
already having been completed]
- --------------------------------

Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "793" with "313".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "400" with "374".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "306" with "901".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "730" with "909".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "761" with "913".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "824" with "919".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "937" with "927".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "728" with "207.1".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "729" with "1307".
Amend R 208 to replace all occurrances of "339" with "207.2".
Amend R 313 to replace all occurrances of "554" with "315".
Amend R 313 to replace all occurrances of "1386" with "317".
Amend R 330 to replace all occurrances of "1206" with "1201".
Amend R 340 to replace all occurrances of "1022" with "342".
Amend R 408 to replace all occurrances of "1396" with "360".
Amend R 424 to replace all occurrances of "1237" with "1115".
Amend R 595 to replace all occurrances of "1023" with "516".
Amend R 939 to replace all occurrances of "1022" with "342".
Amend R 1211 to replace all occurrances of "1396" with "360".
Amend R 1209 to replace all occurrances of "400" with "374".
Amend R 1305 to replace all occurrances of "729" with "1307".
Amend R 1319 to replace all occurrances of "729" with "1307".
Amend R 1240.1 to replace all occurrances of "1023" with "516".
Amend R 1240.3 to replace all occurrances of "1348.2" with "1217".
Amend R 1240.12 to replace all occurrances of "1240" with "1209".

XIII.  [Torkola Elimination]
- --------------------------------------------------------

1) Amend R 406, "Promoter", to replace

"
except during a Festival of Torkola. Then, the Promoter may not distribute
the proposal until the Festival is over and is given three days from the
end of the Festival to do so. [See Rule 797 ("Festival of Torkola").]

The Promoter has the Privilege of being able to call a Festival of
Torkola under certain, special circumstances. [See Rule 797.]
"

with

"except during a Proposal Moratorium [see R 415]."
- --------------------------------------------------

2) Amend R 415, "Presidential Decisions", to replace

"
      II. Festival

      The President may declare a Festival of Torkola to start on the
day following the declaration, so long as the Festival is in accordance
with R 797.
"

with:

"
      II. Proposal Moratorium

      The President may declare a Proposal Moratorium to start on the
day following the declaration, so long as the declatation is an integral
amount of days from 1 to 10, and a Proposal Moratorium is not currently
in progress.  No officers may distribute Proposals during a Proposal
Moratorium.
"
- -----------------------------------------------

3) Amend R 1123, "Bartender" to replace the following passage,
(or a substantially similar one which has been amended by the Spelling
Bee, as appropriate):

"
Whenever the start of a Festival of Torkula, Parade or any other
festivity allowing the frinking of alchololic beverages is anounced
"

with:

"
Whenever a public gathering [rule 1115] which allows the frinking of
alcoholic beverages is announced
"
 
XIV.  [make new locations actual locations]
- -------------------------------------------

Amend R 852, "Portrait Gallery", to replace

"
It is a Duty of the Web-Harfer to maintain a gallery of portraits.
"

with:

"
The Portrait Gallery is a small building and a Common Location.  It is a
duty of the Web-Harfer to maintain a gallery of portraits.
"
- -----------------------------------------------

Amend R 854, "Ackanomic Institute of Genetic Replication" to add
the sentence

"It is a Common Location."

directly after the second sentence of the first paragrah.
 
- ----
[yikes :)]

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:14:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  P1619 accepted (Odds-n-Ends)

Proposal 1619
Odds-n-Ends
Malenkai

Votes cast by active players:  14 / 20 = 70.000000%
Yes:  14    No:  1     Present:  0   ...Proposal is accepted.

YES votes:
	mr cwm
	Habeous Corpus
	/dev/joe
	Lestrade
	Robert Sevin
	fnord
	Swann
	breadbox
	ThinMan
	snowgod
	Niccolo Flychuck
	Techno
	Malenkai
	Vulcan Unity vote

NO votes:
	Mohammed

PRESENT votes:

Active players who did not vote:
	G. Peefalt
	Calvin N Hobbes
	Bascule
	Clairence
	Strider
	AirHead

Text of accepted proposal:

Proposal 1619
Odds-n-Ends
Malenkai

This is a Modest proposal.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------

I.  [Make Processing Chips Tradeable, so perhaps they can become used]

Amend the rule created by proposal 1428, "Processing Chips",
as follows:

1) Insert the word 'Tradeable' after the first word of the rule, 'The'.

2) [the next amendment makes clear that non-Modest proposals receive no
processing chips from the bonus schedule]

Replace 

"for each condition the proposal"

with:

"for each condition that non-Modest proposal"

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

II.  [Auction paradox fix]

Amend the rule created by Proposal 1023, "Auction", to replace:

"
      6b) In a public auction, each bid must exceed the previous bid by
at least 10%, or it is disqualified.
"

with:

"
      6b) In a public auction, each bid, except the first one, must
exceed the previous bid by at least 10%, or it is disqualified.
"

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
III.  [Get rid of the ripoff A$900 starting money, go average]

Amend the rule entitled "Joining the Game" [currently listed as rule
#252] as follows:

1) replace

"
      2) The New player is paid from the Treasury the lesser of A$900 or
the average A$balance of all other extant players.
"

with:

"
      2) The New player is paid from the Treasury the average A$balance
of all other extant players.
"

2) Add line breaks to the numbered sections of the rule.

- ---

- --Mohammed

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:13:19 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acka wins Internomic?

> 
> Malenkai was the one who pointed out the possibility of Acknaomic being
> able to change it's own score.  All hail Malenkai!
> 
> snowgod

We should amend the parade rule. Perhaps we can create a *Roman Triumph*
for Malenkai. 

Lestrade
Congratulating the illustrious Malenkai!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:19:43 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1618 accepted (Reorg II)

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1618
> Reorganization IIa

> Votes cast by active players:  15 / 20 = 75.000000%
> Yes:  16    No:  0     Present:  0   ...Proposal is accepted.

> Active players who did not vote:
>         Clairence

Clairence is on vacation.

Malenkai
wondering if the prez's speech is going to include treasure clues

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:23:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1618 accepted (Reorg II)

> > Active players who did not vote:
> >         Clairence
> 
> Clairence is on vacation.
	Thank you for noticing!  Er, I guess it's sort of important that I 
keep track of that...

- --Mohammed

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:17:26 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1619 accepted (Odds-n-Ends)

- ----------
> From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
> To: Ackanomic <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka:  P1619 accepted (Odds-n-Ends)
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 1997 4:14 PM
> 
> Proposal 1619
> Odds-n-Ends
> Malenkai
> 
> Votes cast by active players:  14 / 20 = 70.000000%
> Yes:  14    No:  1     Present:  0   ...Proposal is accepted.
> 
> 
> YES votes:
> 	mr cwm
> 	Habeous Corpus
> 	/dev/joe
> 	Lestrade
> 	Robert Sevin
> 	fnord
> 	Swann
> 	breadbox
> 	ThinMan
> 	snowgod
> 	Niccolo Flychuck
> 	Techno
> 	Malenkai
> 	Vulcan Unity vote
> 
> NO votes:
> 	Mohammed
> 
> PRESENT votes:
> 
> Active players who did not vote:
> 	G. Peefalt
> 	Calvin N Hobbes
> 	Bascule
> 	Clairence
> 	Strider
> 	AirHead
> 
Did I miss something, I was on vacation, I should still be active

Jammer
Who stopped by to check Email

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:25:48 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1619 accepted (Odds-n-Ends)

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> Did I miss something, I was on vacation, I should still be active

Players on vacation are not active players, unless one of the recent
rewrites changed that.

Malenkai

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:24:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1618 accepted (Reorg II)

I have applied the changes to the rule set for P1618 and 1619.
There were a couple weird things in P1618.

First, it is the first proposal to trigger our new unanimity rule, 
so the President has to speak and Bascule gets 2 points.
Note that this proposal renumbered the unanimity rule, but it
did not amend it in a way to affect how it gives points, so
Bascule still gets the points.

> renumber R 629, "Crisis Resolution" to 362

This made there be 2 rule 362's.  However (since P1623 has not yet passed)
there is nothing to prevent this.

> renumber R 362, "No Dead Players Allowed" to 257

Here the old 362 was renumbered, and identified clearly enough to
distinguish it from the other one.

> renumber R 1579, "Bartender" to 1125
 [...]
> 3) Amend R 1123, "Bartender" [...]

Bartender was actually 1125, but the spelling rule makes this
one work correctly.

/dev/joe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:21:23 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Internomic Moderator 

Well,

It appears to be official.  Acknanomic has won the first game of
Internomic.  Andre, the previous moderator, has stepped down and handed
over the position to me.  Yep, that's right.  Yours truly is the new
Internomic Moderator.

Andre has sent to me a bunch of stuff that needs posting, which I will do
shortly.  I am also goiung to ask that he sends out messages containing the
exact same things that I sent out (just in case a CFJ overturns our win,
which could lead to some strange multi-threaded thingees).

Congratulations to Malenkai for providing the ammunition to give Acknanomic
the first ever Internomic win, and congratulations to all of Ackanomic!

snowgod

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:56:46 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Internomic Proposals 

There are four new Internomic proposals, which I hereby initiate a senate
vote on.  The two proposed by Ackanomic are both Malenkai's, and he should
recieve 7 points apiece should they pass.

>Proposal 321 by Ackanomic:
>
>All members begin with 0 points. A member's score may only be changed as
>described in the rules.

*

Proposal 322 by Ackanomic:

>Amend Rule 212 to read in full:
>
>Any nomic may submit a statement for judgement to the moderator. Upon
>receipt of such a statement, the moderator must randomly select a member,
>other than the member who submitted it, to judge the statement. The
>moderator must then distribute the statement and the identity of the judge
>to all member nomics.

*

>Proposal 323 by Thring
>
>1. Enact a new rule with the text
>"It is forbidden to alter the essentials of the game state except
>as is explicitly or implicitly permitted by a rule or a set of rules. The
>essentials of the game state consist of the rules themselves, the scores
>of the member nomics, the proposals, the votes cast on proposals, the
>statements for judgement and verdicts returned upon them, and anything
>else so designated by some rule. No other things are included in the
>essentials of the game state."

>---------------------
>{ Proposers Comments:
>This, of course, is the sort of thing rule 114 should really say in an
>unbroken rule set. I propose it as a new rule since I do not believe I can
>propose to amend rule 114 until a proposal has passed to transmute it.

}

*

>Proposal 324 by Thring
>
>Amend the text of rule 201 to the following:
>"All members begin with 0 points. The number of points that a nomic
>has is also known as its score."

- ------------------------

>{Proposers Comments: It rarely hurts to state the obvious.}

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