Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #450
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Sunday, January 12 1997       Volume 01 : Number 450

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:05:01 -0600
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: *ping* 

Today is Sunday, the 12th day of January, in the Year of Our Lord 1997, 
and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today. 
Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 3 times. 

/dev/joe
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:30:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

/dev/joe has found the Treasure consisting of No Tea (worth A$ 20).

The map was just as I wrote it in my original message (quoted below).
The message looked a lot like a uuencoded file of some type... but in 
fact, the trick was to ignore the Ms at the beginning of every line and 
everything else that was not a letter.  This leaves

helloworldsubmitaproposalco
ntainingthenamemohammed
andthetwosecretwords
thesecretwordsarean
tonymsobtainedbytakin
ganantonymofseldoma
ndathreeprongedwo
rdandthenaddingthesamel
ettertothebeginningofbo
ththosewordsthe
treasurewillbefoundbyt
heauthorofsuc
haproposalwheniv
oteforittillthenshhhh
hhqz

Or, a little more cleanly:

Hello, world!  Submit a proposal containing the name Mohammed and the two
secret words.  The secret words are antonyms obtained by taking an antonym
of seldom and a three pronged word, and then adding the same letter to the
beginning of both those words.  The treasure will be found by the author
of such a proposal when i vote for it.  Till then, shhhhh. 

The qz at the end were meaningless.

There were two early tries at this map (the magic words are 'soft' and 
'strident') but I didn't like either one, so I voted NO on them.  What I 
really wanted was a *fun* proposal... but settling for what I could get, 
I voted YES on Proposal 1616 and /dev/joe thus found the Treasure.

On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Jason Orendorff wrote:
> I am making a treasure out of it (inasmuch as this is possible), and digging 
> hundreds of miles down, almost to the center of the earth, to bury it. 
> 
> At the same time, writing with a quill pen held between my teeth, I am 
> scrawling the following map on the back of a passing maniac:
> 
> begin 640 map.txt
> M(HEL8LOW9&4@/&OR<L1D96%S+U@^"B-M;I-T=61A(#PR='OP92OS/@AL:6CO
> M;'5N92`\9T-A<I5N;2IN/@G*:6TH(&EN:6AM:6EM(&%O9H,A(&-M;M-E(&-D
> M87(@*A%N9D9;72T@>HE@("`@:68@*&%T9W,@/OS@,EC@>RE)8TWO<R!D:"S@
> [email-masked]):69E=')C86R@>"ET<W=O6R%=*3D*"6SA("@R>"E*"2`@("!A97)N
> M(#T\(")O86NY="!M:6SO+BTA(IN*"65E<D4*"2`@("!B:&YT92`A>"KI970N
> M8G@A("8N(&-A("$]("=<;N<T"@O)8N]Y="MO=[email-masked])8O]M="`\/"!A
> M;N1D.AT)=HRE;&4@*'@@)E8@8PRO(#N^(&-G*2!["@E@("`@:68@*"%D<W%O
> M<&RD*&-A*2N*"0DT;HEN:6AD93D*"2`@("!I:&NG92`T>"HE;S]A*"ME('L*
> M"0ET+T=E="RT:#(O.TH)"6EB("EG<I5N<&5N*&-I,NGO"@F)("`@(&)B96%O
> M.TH)"6-T=70H<'5O*&-S,EW["@O):68@*&-R,D`]/2`S7&TH*2!["@E)("`@
> M('@T9R5E*&-A,SU["@R)("`@(&EW("IL:#(@/3L@)BEF*0O)"0UN;D5B+Y!T
> M="@H32<E.AU)"2`@("!T;'-H"@O)"6)R96%O.FS)"7U*"2`@("!]"@C@("`@
> M:68@*'@H9A]P9"@R*0O)"6-P=70O<'5S*'1A=7!L97(W8H@E*3N*"7I*"7=V
> M:6OT("EF+O=R="IT:"TI("!L;L5T+H!E="N...S["H`@("!]"H`@("!H971H
> (<HH@,#Q*?0Z
> `
> end

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:31:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of Python?

> On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> > I'm considering making a Solicross treasure, to be given to the player
> > who sends me the highest scoring valid solution (based on some
> > dictionary) 

Mohammed responded, in part:
> 	Solicross doesn't *require* python anyway; if you stress that 
> you'll get more players, I'd assume.

Mohammed makes a good point here.  This is enough to convince me that
I will definitely make such a treasure.  I am not ready to do it yet;
I will write up my own game, rather than copy one from a magazine,
when I make this treasure.  I will include with the treasure map
the instructions for the game so that players without access to Python
may solve it by hand, as Solicross has been played for decades. :-)
I will also include with the map the minimum requirements for an entry
by hand (the Python program is capable of saving the result of the
game to a file, so if you use it, that file will be your entry).

When I was entering some more Solicross games last night, I realized that
the most recent Dell magazine I own which contains Solicrosses is a 1994
issue, and in fact I don't own any 1996-dated Dell magazines at all.
(I bought one of the mostly-crossword ones over Christmas break, but
it was a January 1997 issue, and one without Solicrosses.)  This is
a bit of a strange realization for someone like me, who, in high school,
went through about 4 of these a month, in addition to _Games_, which I
still subscribe to.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:40:27 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: downtime at my ISP

On Sunday Jan.12 (today) between  14:00-22:00 EST out satelite link will
be down.  So my web pages won't be accessible during that time. Actually,
neither will I.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:47:20 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Java

Where is the simple irc applet?
Niccolo Flychuck

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> Seems like we are getting mixed results with the Java IRC applet.  It works
> for some people and not for other.  Sometime today (friday) I am going to
> pu up an alternative applet and see what happens.
> 
> Those that prefer using the original applet may doso still, and as always,
> those that do not have (or prefer n0ot to use) java cpapbilities may always
> access the irc server from standard irc clients.
> 
> snowgod
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:54:57 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Oops (Tabulator)

everything worked fine for me.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> I just ran the script, not realizing I had un-commented the part that 
> sends reply messages to everyone.  Those of you that got acknowledgements 
> before probably just received another ack (or another whole batch of 
> them) via private mail.
> 
> Sorry 'bout that.  But now that it's done, how'd it work?  Did everything
> come through okay?  Comments?  Suggestions?  From now on, Acrobot mail
> will be answered automatically and for the most part I won't see it.
> 
> Results for proposals 1593 - 1620 are forthcoming.
> 
> --Mohammed
> 

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:56:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Bot harf

Recent developments to Acrobot....

There's now a #help command.

	#help

There's also a command to retrieve current proposals:

	#read props 1618 1619

This works like the #get command on the old nomicbot, more or less.  You 
can use

	#read index

to get a list of files that are available to everyone.  To get one of the 
files shown in the index (there's nothing interesting there right now) 
use the #read file command.

	#read file harf.txt

I'm not sure what this last thing could ever possibly be used for, but 
there it is.

The bot does not yet run 24/7.  It runs occasionally when I'm logged in 
and checks my mail regularly *after* I log out until odin goes to sleep 
around 2 a.m.  After that, there's no service until I log in again.  :o(  
So expect a delay.

One last item:  Please don't hose the bot.  I've been careful to avoid the
obvious security holes (#read /etc/passwd, etc.), but I have not done
anything to prevent the bot from sending truly huge mail messages, which
can clog the network and irk the administrators.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:14:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Score Report (+Magic Number Change)

It turns out I was right about my guess that this batch of proposal
results could had had enough scoring to let Habeous Corpus reach the
Magic Number, but he jumped past it (before P1617 passed, changing the
rule for winning by points).

Here are the Scoring Changes since the last report:
- ---------------------------------------------------
Jan 06 20:22 EST: +6 Robert Sevin: Wins 6 player Ghost game
Jan 07 00:00 EST: +2 Niccolo Flychuck: Swingpoint conversion
Jan 07 00:00 EST: +1 snowgod: Swingpoint conversion
Jan 07 22:13 EST: -3 Mohammed: not posting a SVH design
 P1588-1592 scoring:
  P1588 accepted
  P1589-1592 modest-accepted
Jan 11 16:39 EST: -3 AirHead: did not post 23 Skidoo's SVH
 P1593-1617 scoring:
  P1593 modest-accepted, and G. Peefalt's vote triggered the Whamiols
    (there are now 4 of them, 2 owned by Habeous Corpus, 1 by snowgod,
    and 1 by me)
  P1594 accepted
  P1595 rejected (Lestrade's period as being a new author has ended)
  P1596-1598 modest-accepted
  P1599-1605 rejected
    Habeous's score went from 256 to 259 on P1605, causing the Magic
    Number to increase by 16 to 273.
  P1606 modest-accepted, Strider's vote triggers the Whamiols again
    Habeous's score went to 289, causing the Magic Number to increase
    to 11 more than his score, or 300 exactly.
  P1607-1609 rejected
  P1611 accepted
  P1612-1615 rejected
  P1616 accepted (Robert Sevin's present vote prevented the unanimity
    rule from triggering)
  P1617 modest-accepted
    (This changed the rule for winning by points.  Now the magic
    number only increases when two players both reach the magic
    number at the same time; having a score of equal to or greater
    than the magic number is a winning condition.)

Only BuzzBee remains as a non-active player.

Current Scores:
- ---------------
Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
273     Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
210     snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
174     Guy Fawkes           V   (Robert Shimmin)
133     Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall)
114     Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
113     /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
87      Swann                A   (Steven Swiniarski)
55      AirHead              A   (Eric Freeman)
46      mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
46      ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
46      Robert Sevin         A   (Mitchell Harding)
46      Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff)
45      Lestrade             A   (John Duncan)
40      Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
33      G. Peefalt           A   (Aaron Morris)
28      fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
19      breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
19      Strider              A   (Jason McCulley)
19      Calvin N Hobbes      Ag  (Thierry Joffrain)
1       BuzzBee             NV   (John Coifman)
1       23 Skidoo            V   (David Thomas Fisher)
- -4      Jammer               A   (John Lotz)
- -4      Clairence           IV   (Clair Anthony Viglione)
- -14     Bascule              Av  (Matt Black)

Status:
A=Active, N=New, V=Vacationing, IV=Involuntary Vacation, I=On Ice,
D=Dead, R=Returning (non-active), v=Victory Eggplant, g=Chartreuse Goose

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:22:37 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1609 rejected

I don't think it makes a difference here, but did you count Party Unity
votes?

Niccolo Flychuck

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> Proposal 1609
> Inside Outside
> Jammer
> 
> Yes:  10    No:  6     Present:  1   ...Proposal is rejected.
> 
> 
> YES votes:
> 	/dev/joe
> 	Niccolo Flychuck
> 	G. Peefalt
> 	Strider
> 	AirHead
> 	Swann
> 	ThinMan
> 	Jammer
> 	snowgod
> 	Lestrade
> 
> NO votes:
> 	mr cwm
> 	Habeous Corpus
> 	breadbox
> 	fnord
> 	Mohammed
> 	Malenkai
> 
> PRESENT votes:
> 	Robert Sevin
> 
> Players who did not vote:
> 	Calvin N Hobbes
> 	BuzzBee
> 	Bascule
> 	Clairence
> 	Guy Fawkes
> 	23 Skidoo
> 	Techno
> 

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:37:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1609 rejected

> I don't think it makes a difference here, but did you count Party Unity
> votes?
	Nope.  There should've been a Vulcan Party Unity vote in this 
one.  Sorry 'bout that.  (I found the bug; it's fixed now.  I hope.)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 22:58:53 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Java 

>Where is the simple irc applet?
>Niccolo Flychuck

At the same URL.  I have moved the advanced applet to it's own directory
(in fact, I've done the same with the simple) and created a menu asking you
to choose your applet where the advanced one used to be.

If you want to jump straight to it you can go to
http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~snowgod/simple though.

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:59:44 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: IRC

The simple one works for me.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Phil Ackley wrote:

> I have fixed the "you can only listen" problem with the advanced java IRC
> client.  I believe it is now ready for mass consumption (yes, there are
> still bugs but hopefully nothing major).
> 
> Aditionally, I have added a simple IRC client (6k as opposed to187k for
> the advanced) that is embedded in a web page.  This client loads lightening
> fast and allows anyone to talk on /dev/joe's server but does not offer
> functionality that normal IRC users are used to.
> 
> You can reach either or both client by connecting to
> http://wilma.che.utexas.edu/~snowgod where you will encounter a menu asking
> you which client you wish to laod.  I encourage everyone to try out each
> client at leasts once and see which they prefer.
> 
> If you are unable to use java, you may still connect to /dev/joe's server
> on wilma.che.utexas.edu port 9942 with any standard IRC client (including
> text based ones through a unix shell).
> 
> Finally, I am officially volunteering to be assistant web-harfer for the
> IRC pages if /dev/joe is willing to add a link from the main ackanomic page.
> 
> snowgod
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 23:07:16 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IRC 

There is now a link from the web page to the IRC page.

thanks /dev/joe

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 23:19:49 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Birthday 

I have a couple of proposals I need to submit by tommorow at the latest,
bvut before I do, I need to know one thing.

Is Ackanomic's birthday January 22 as I have believed or January 29, as
stated on Micheals nomic page?

snowgod

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 02:33:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Birthday

> I have a couple of proposals I need to submit by tommorow at the latest,
> bvut before I do, I need to know one thing.
> 
> Is Ackanomic's birthday January 22 as I have believed or January 29, as
> stated on Micheals nomic page?

The proposal archive indicates that the first proposals were made
on January 23 at 2:30 AM, so I believe January 22 is the correct date.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 23:38:45 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1622 

>Proposal 1622
>In Which Justices Do Not Rock
>Mohammed
>
>The rule titled "Justices Rock" is hereby repealed.
>
>[The President doesn't have any powers other than declaring holidays and
>building bomb shelters... and the Justices should *not* be able to
>overturn either one of those emergency powers.  Should the Justices be
>able to roll over the Senate's Internomic votes?]

I oppose this proposal.  Currently there is not much that the president or
the senate can do that is worthy of a justices wrath, but that could change
in the future.  And yeah, what if you and mr cwm thought it would be fun to
overturn the president decision to build a shelter or a declare a holiday
(actually the holiday overturning could be useful)... If we were unhappy
about it we'd just boot you out of office.  And until then, we'd have a fun
controversy.

Also, I remember one time when I did petition the supreme court for an AOJ
(/dev/joe's decision not to grant me a pardon).  It was nevver issued, but
I had fun trying.

snowgod
voting no  P1622

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 02:43:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Spelling and Stuff

Two of Niccolo Flychuck's passed proposals from this batch got the
Spelling Bee flying again:

Rule 1269, change "Swingpoint" to "Swingpoints" in section 4a.
Rule 726, change "the" to "The" at the beginning of section II,
  change "member" to "members" in section III.A.4,
  change "hiegher" to "higher" in section III.A.8,
  add periods to the ends of sections III.B.1, III.B.2, III.B.4, and III.B.6,
  change "therules" to "the rules" in section III.C.3,
  change "impeachement" to "impeachment" in section III.C.3.

Also, the first rule change in P1606 referred to R445, "Preator", but it
is clear that this refers to R425, "Praetor".

The new rules are up now.

Rule 1611 is a rule enclosed entirely in {{brackets}}, but since
the effect described within the brackets -- a Hearing -- is not
complete yet, the rule exists and won't be deleted from the
rules for a few days.

And in Scorekeeping news:
P1616 amended R207, but not in a way that affected how points are scored,
so R208 does not negate the points scored for that proposal.

/dev/joe
Web-Harfer
Scorekeeper

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:18:16 +0000
From: "Matt" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: IRC is smart

I've just been chatting with snowgod on IRC, and as an IRC novice, I 
was expecting a rather slow, unreliable connection; WRONG! It was 
fine. I couldn't quite tell the delay involved, but it seemed to be 
no more than a couple of seconds, and that's a trans-atlantic link.

snowgod asked me to preach the word about IRC, so here we go...

PRAISE THE LORD!

HALLELUJAH!

IRC is *smart*

Bascule

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 03:21:42 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1623

Numbering Rules Created by Rules
/dev/joe

{{[P1606 passed, so the promoter rule will handle the first section of this
rule about numbering proposals.]}}

Amend the rule which began as initial rule 107, named "Proposal and
Rule Numbering" [rule 453 before reorg II, rule 303 if reorg II passes],
to read:

"
I. Each rule has an effective ordinal number, hereafter referred to simply as
the rule's number.  Rule numbers and proposal numbers are unownable entities.
A valid rule number is one or two positive integers.  The first is called
the base rule number, and the second, if present, is called the sub rule
number and is separated from the base rule number by a period.

II. When a rule change in an accepted proposal creates a new rule, it is
numbered as follows:

  1. If the proposal specifies that the new rule is to be a member of
  a Rule Suite, and a Head of a Rule Suite rule exists for that Rule Suite,
  then that new rule has the base rule number of the Head of the Rule Suite,
  and the least sub rule number greater than all other sub rule numbers in
  that Rule Suite. [New rules in Rule Suites default to going at the end.]
  
  2. Otherwise, if the proposal specifies a valid rule number for the new
  rule, and that number is not already the number of another rule, then the
  new rule is assigned that number.
  
  3. Otherwise, the new rule uses the number of the proposal that created
  it as its base rule number.  If some other rule already has this number,
  then the new rule takes a sub rule number as large as necessary to have
  a rule number different from all other rules.

III. When a new rule is created by another rule, or by some entity (other
than a rule change in an accepted proposal) granted the power to create
rules by some rule, it is numbered as follows:

  1. If the entity creating the rule declares it to be a member of a Rule
  Suite, as in II.1. above, then it is numbered as in II.1. above.
  
  2. Otherwise, if the rule or entity creating the new rule assigns it a
  valid rule number which is not already the number of another rule, then
  the new rule is uses that number.
  
  3. If neither 1 nor 2 above numbers the rule, then the rule is numbered
  with the least positive integer greater than all existing base rule
  numbers.
"
 = = = = = = = = = = 

Amend Rule 103 by adding the following to the end of the third paragraph:
  "A renumbering rule change is not valid if it attempts to assign a rule
   a number which is already the number of some other rule, or if it
   attempts to assign a rule number that is not valid."
{{[ Absolutely refuse to allow two rules to have the same number. ]}}

 = = = = = = = = = = 

Amend Rule 421, by replacing "amending" in section (c) with
  "amending, renumbering" .  {{[ CSR ]}}

 = = = = = = = = = = 

Amend Rule 210 by replacing the sections numbered 1 through 4 and the
section immediately before that, beginning with "Hereafter", with:
  "If two rules have different base numbers, use the base number to
   determine which is lowest.  Among rules with the same base number,
   use the sub rule numbers to determine which rule has the lowest
   number, treating a rule without a sub rule number as if the sub rule
   number was zero."  
{{[ Replaces more of those X's and Y's Mohammed doesn't like. ]}}

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 02:40:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of Python?

> I'm considering making a Solicross treasure, to be given to the player
> who sends me the highest scoring valid solution (based on some
> dictionary) within a certain time after I announce it, but I'm worried
> that only one or two players would even compete for it.  So, I'd
> like to get some feedback from interested players.  If you have
> access to a machine with Python installed (or you are capable and
> willing to install it) and would be interested in playing a
> Scrabble-style word game for A$, let me know.

I adored Solicrosses when I was a kid. Never did very well at them,
however. (I would always get hung up on trying to getting this one
obscure word into the grid, and would end up sacrificing everything
else in order to do it.)

b

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:58:50 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1622

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1622
> In Which Justices Do Not Rock
> Mohammed
> 
> The rule titled "Justices Rock" is hereby repealed.
> 
> [The President doesn't have any powers other than declaring holidays and
> building bomb shelters... and the Justices should *not* be able to
> overturn either one of those emergency powers.

Yes they should.  The president could then declare a holiday to last 
50000 years, crashing the game, because it could not be undone.  Moreover,
taking away the justices check power on the president will discourage
developing more power for the president.

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:18:16 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  P1611 accepted (Cantrip 1)

Jason Orendorff wrote:

A hearing started when R 1611 was created.  The rules still require
Count Tabula to post the relavent info for any hearing.  That is what
this is.  Send your votes to [email-masked]

Count Tabula
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> {{
> When this rule comes into effect, there shall be a Hearing on the matter
> of Proposal Bribery.  The valid responses
> will be "Fix Bribes" and "Can Bribes".
> 
> If the verdict of the Hearing is "Fix Bribes", then Rule 793 ("Proposal
> Bribery") shall be amended by changing
> 
>      B. Bribes may only cause the transfer of tradeable entities from the
>      author of the proposal to players who voted YES on the proposal; a
>      Bribe need not specify that the entities come from the author of the
>      proposal, since it is assumed.
> 
> to
> 
>      B. Bribes may only cause the transfer of tradeable or gift entities
>      from the author of the proposal to players who voted YES on the
>      proposal; a Bribe need not specify that the entities come from the
>      author of the proposal, since it is assumed.
> 
> [This is a semi-necessary fix if we plan to keep Bribery around.]
> 
> If, on the other hand, the verdict is "Can Bribes", then Rule 793
> ("Proposal Bribery") shall be amended by removing the header "IV. Bribes"
> and everything that follows it, and by removing the sentence
> "This section defers to section IV of this rule." from section I;
> and lastly, Rule 793's title shall be changed to
> "Fair Voting and Voting Actions".
> 
> }}

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:27:20 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fictionary

The ing word is agrise.  The definitions in random order follow.
I apologize for the delay in getting this out.  Votes are to the
public forum.

1. To coat or cook in oil.

2. To shudder with terror; to tremble with fear.

3. Gunfire directed along the length of a target, such as a column
of troops.

4.

5. To wander.

6. To examine a piece of land to determine its suitability for planting
crops.

7.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:25:24 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1624

Proposal 1624
Remove the paradox from R 844
Malenkai

This is a Modest proposal.

Amend R 844, "Land Baroncy" to replace

"
    Every two weeks, at the time officer's salaries are paid, the
    Officer in Charge of Random Things shall choose one of the following
    five possible events to occur:
"

with:

"
    At the time officer's salaries are paid, the
    Officer in Charge of Random Things shall choose one of the following
    five possible events to occur:
"

{{[officer's salaries are paid monthly, so I am construing the existing
passage as if the two week thing wasn't there, in accordance with the
game custom that a non-paradoxical construction should be favored over
a paradoxical one.  I guess the later in the rule precedence thing also
applies, but I was never confortable with that for same sentence things.

Malenkai
Officer in charge of random things
this is also my first bot proposal, hoping for the best :)
]}}

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:45:26 -0600
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1625

Proposal 1625
Earning a flight of the Goose
Malenkai

Amend R 235, "Chartreuse Goose" to append the following new section
to the end of the rule:

7) Upon a player who possesses the Goose achieving any of the following
titles, the Goose is transferred Somewhere Else: Commander of the
Blue Cross, Officer of the Blue Cross, Sage o'Doe Gas.  If the event
which granted one of these titles also would have established a winning
condition had the player not had the Goose, this transfer is deemed to
have occurred an infintesimal amount of time after that event.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:57:43 -0600
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Birthday 

At 11:19 PM 1/11/97 -0900, you wrote:
>I have a couple of proposals I need to submit by tommorow at the latest,
>bvut before I do, I need to know one thing.
>
>Is Ackanomic's birthday January 22 as I have believed or January 29, as
>stated on Micheals nomic page?

It is either Jan 22 or Jan 23, I can't remember which. The 22nd is my guess,
though. I'll go look and see what date was on the message that asked me to
sign up...

- --- begin message ---
From: Sean Crystal <[email-masked]>
Subject: New Player
To: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked],
        [email-masked], [email-masked]
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:54:32 -0500 (EST)

A new player has joined Ackanomic: Mitch Harding.  He has grand plans to
take over 
the world, so make him feel welcome. :)

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AckaNomic Player YellowPages

Sean Crystal (Speaker)				[email-masked]
Wayne Sheppard					[email-masked]
Anthony Polito					[email-masked]
David Chapman					[email-masked]
Mitchell Harding				[email-masked]

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Well, I signed up 2 hours past midnight on January 23. I think the game
probably started before midnight.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:09:23 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Parade

The following parade description is interesting.

The parade that started with proposal 1376 continued, although this
one did not reveal clues to two treasures, unlike the previous two.

It continued north past an umbrella salesman to Somewhere Else, its
author hoping not to submit proposal 1676.  It twisted around, spelling
with the footprints of the troupe: "Since we have a proposal bot now,
it should be pretty easy to get the parade proposal, or any proposal
number you want, so that should not be a problem, unless those treasures
are still not found, and I need to write more clues, then I can just
take P 1676 at that time, I suppose."

Malenkai

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:37:28 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Player list

I have had requests for the player list.  I expect to have the web pages
on-line tomorrow, but I have already been lied to by itw twice about it,
so...

Malenkai
assistant web harfer
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                           Ackanomic Player List

                      As of Saturday, January 11, 1997

                      A-C D-F G-I J-L M-O P-R S-U V-Z

These things are marked next to the appropriate players:
[Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
[Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
[Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
[Image] [Image]
[Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
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See also the archives of old player names.
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Registered Players:

23 Skidoo (David Thomas Fisher) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 10, 1996, 07:04 EST
   On Vacation [Image] (since Dec 15, 01:33 EST; ER: Jan 14, 01:33 EST)
   Has a Chartreuse Goose Egg [Image]

   Cash : 1190 A$
   Bonds: 100 PF23Skidoo

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AirHead (Eric Freeman) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: November 30, 1996, 14:27 EST
   Member of Harf

   Cash : 1229 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFAirHead

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Bascule (Matt Black) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: April 24, 1996, 15:59 EDT
   Winner of the 2nd Cycle (by R 422, June 5, 1996)
   Has a Champion's Cloak
   Has a Bronze Torch [Image]
   Has a The Really Big Blue Thing That Doesn't Do Much, Really [Image]
   Has a Newspaper called The Day Today [Image]
   Has a Chartreuse Goose Egg [Image]
   Has a Vending Machine [Image]
   Has a Victory Eggplant [Image]
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Silly [Image]
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Member of Harf
   Swinger for Harf

   Cash : 1213 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFBascule

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breadbox (Brian Raiter) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: August 20, 1996, 05:25 EDT
   Senator (seat Sinecure 33)
   Historian
   Has the Interpol Mug
   Has the whatever it is we're auctioning today
   Has the Fibber the Low-Grade Brass-Painted Cheapo Plastic Flea
   Has a Prosthetic Forehead [Image] he is not wearing

   Cash : 1061 A$
   Bonds: 99 PFbreadbox

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BuzzBee (John Bruce Coifman) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 17, 1996, 05:52 EST
   On Vacation [Image] (since Dec 21, 00:22 EST; ER: Dec 28, 00:22 EST)
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream

   Cash : 901 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFBuzzBee

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Calvin N Hobbes (Thierry Joffrain) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: 2nd of existing players
   AckaPhysicist
   Has the Magic Potato [Image]
   Has the Chartreuse Goose [Image]

   Has a Blue Cross [Image]
   Has the Crown of Ultimate Failure
   Has two Prosthetic Foreheads [Image] [Image] but is wearing neither
   Burned as a Heretic on May 20, 1996, and July 28, 1996
   Has 4 kaa of land
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Member of Harf

   Cash : 771 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFCalvin

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Clairence (Clair Anthony Viglione) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 3, 1996, 04:21 EST
   On Vacation [Image] (since Jan 09, 22:44 EST; ER: Jan 11, 22:44 EST)

   Cash : 1204 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFClairence

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/dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: March 26, 1996, 18:33 EST
   Winner of the 4th Cycle (by paradox, June 24, 1996)
   Is wearing his Champion's Cloak
   Map-Harfer
   Postmaster
   Scorekeeper
   Senator (seat /dev/senate3)
   Web-Harfer
   Has a Blue Cross and a Gold Stripe and a Silver Stripe [Image] [Image] 
   Officer of the Blue Cross
   Has the Machine that Goes *ping* [Image]
   Has the Pedestal of *ping*
   Has a Whamiol [Image]
   Has the Great Trombone of Ackanomia [Image]
   Has the Exquisite Dead Guy
   Has the Secret Decoder Ring
   Has the Interpol Crime-Pounding Nightstick
   Has the Golden Frinking Straw
   Processing Chips: 3
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish, Share my Expenses
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Has another Prosthetic Forehead [Image] he is not wearing
   Burned as a Heretic on August 2, 1996
   Enlightened
   Member of Vulcan

   Cash : 2671 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFdevjoe
          50 PFHabeous
          10 PFThinMan

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fnord (Michael J. Thomas) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: September 7, 1996, 04:50 EDT
   Poet Laureate
   Has Wings

   Cash : 1008 A$
   Bonds: 99 PFfnord
           1 PFbreadbox
           1 PFmr
           1 PFsnowgod

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G. Peefalt (Aaron Morris) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 17, 1996, 05:52 EST

   Cash : 898 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFGPeefalt

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Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: Septemper 5, 1996, 20:27 EDT
   On Vacation [Image] (since Dec 19, 14:30 EST; ER: Jan 18, 14:30 EST)
   Promoter (Mohammed is Acting Promoter; send proposals to him)

   Has a Blue Cross and two Silver Stripes [Image] [Image] [Image]
   Has a Silver Moon [Image]
   Has an Electronic Potato [Image]
   Has an Orbital Mind Control Laser [Image]
   Has a Rock to wind a string around [Image]
   Has Guy Fawkes' Soap Box
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish, Go Fish
   Processing Chips: 30
   Has two heads
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Has another Prosthetic Forehead he is not wearing [Image]
   Silly [Image]
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Member of (None Yet)

   Cash : 1255 A$
   Bonds: 75 PFGuy
          30 PFHabeous
          30 PFNiccolo
          30 PBPIdiot
          25 PFsnowgod
          30 PBPUncle

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Habeous Corpus (Ed Graham) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: July 13, 1996, approx 20:30 EDT
   Senator (seat Rebus 8-{})
   Harfmeister
   Has the Great Tuba
   Has two Whamiols [Image]  [Image]
   Has a Vending Machine [Image]
   Has a Scroll of Crumble [Image]
   Has a Gravitational Monopole
   Has the Onyx Lion
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish, Summon Tornado, Untouch Me
   Processing Chips: 8
   Has a Prosthetic Forehead he is not wearing [Image]

   Cash : 1313 A$
   Bonds: 20 PFHabeous

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Jammer (John Lotz) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: November 30, 1996, 14:51 EST
   Has Phoebe's Matchbox [Image]
   Has the 15 Ties
   Has Jammer's Butler
   Has 1 kaa of land
   Processing Chips: 5

   Cash : 995 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFJammer

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Lestrade (John Duncan) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 9, 1996, 01:18 EST
   Has a Chartreuse Goose Egg [Image]
   Processing Chips: 3

   Cash : 1003 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFLestrade

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Malenkai (Randy Hall) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: 5th of existing players; quit: July 3 1996, 01:14 EDT; rejoined: 
17:54 EDT
   Winner of the 3rd Cycle (by paradox, June 12, 1996)
   Winner of the 5th Cycle (by R 422, August 19, 1996)
   Winner of the 7th Cycle (by paradox, September 21, 1996)
   Winner of the 9th Cycle (by R 422, December 11, 1996)
   Has a Champion's Cloak
   Has 3 Badges of Glory
   Expert in Proposals and Rule Changes; the Judicial System;
             Offices; and  Financial Matters, including Entities.
   Speaker
   Clerk of the Court
   Count Tabula
   Financier
   Wizard
   Has a Right-Handed Grapefruit [Image]
   Has a Bronze Torch [Image]
   Has a Blue Cross and 3 Gold Stripes and a 3 Silver Stripes [Image] [Image] 
[Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
   Has an Electronic Potato [Image]
   Has a Scroll of Crumble [Image]
   Has an Automatic Sculpture
   Has a Victory Eggplant [Image]
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish
   Processing Chips: 28
   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Has a Newspaper called 'Round the Earth [Image]
   Officer of the Blue Cross
   Burned as a Heretic on July 26, 1996
   Enlightened
   Guilty of Patent Infringement
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Member of Harf

   Cash : 2425 A$
   Bonds: 80 PFMalenkai

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Mohammed (Jason Orendorff) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: 4th of existing players; quit: July 12; rejoined: Sept 25, 16:05 
EDT
   Winner of the 8th Cycle (by paradox, October 22, 1996)
   Inventor
   Justice
   Tabulator
   Acting Promoter
   Assistant to the Financier
   Has a Champion's Cloak
   Has a Blue Cross and a Silver Stripe [Image] [Image]
   Has a Victory Eggplant [Image]
   Has the Agora, Pumpkin Patch, and Thring
   Has a Prosthetic Forehead [Image] he is not wearing
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish

   Cash : 834 A$
   Bonds: 80 PFMohammed
          20 PFsnowgod

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mr cwm (Eric Murray) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: 3rd of existing players
   Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat since January 3rd [Image]
   CSRR Officer
   Justice
   Has a Bronze Torch [Image]
   Has three Prosthetic Foreheads [Image] [Image] [Image] he is not wearing
   Has 8 other Prosthetic Foreheads [Image] he is not wearing

   Owns a Newspaper called is [Image]
   Has a pointy ear
   Burned as a Heretic on May 20, 1996
   Enlightened
   Member of (None Yet)

   Cash : 1168 A$
   Bonds: 99 PFmr
           1 PFfnord

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Niccolo Flychuck (Uri Bruck) [[email-masked]]
   Joined March 28, 1996, 12:12 EST
   President (term ends: February 17th, 19:06 EST)
   Chess-Umpire
   GamesMaster
   RuneMaker
   Expert in Otzma Cards and Party Chess
   Has a Blue Cross and three Silver Stripes [Image] [Image] [Image] [Image]
   Has a Bronze Torch [Image]
   Has a Newspaper called Kolot Ackanomic [Image]
   Wearing the Purple Robe of Justice (value: A$152)
   Otzma Cards: Go Fish, Tactical Retreat, Share your Income
   Processing Chips: 12
   Has a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]  he is not wearing
   Has pointy ears
   Member of Vulcan
   Swinger for Vulcan

   Cash : 765 A$
   Bonds:  50 PFNiccolo
           20 PBPIdiot
           25 PBPTechno
           15 PBPUncle

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Robert Sevin (Mitchell Harding) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: 1st of existing players
   Winner of the 1st Cycle (by rule 666, May 3, 1996)
   Has a Champion's Cloak
   Has a Blue Cross and 2 Silver Stripes [Image] [Image] [Image]
   Has a Chartreuse Goose Egg [Image]
   Processing Chips: 16
   Burned as a Heretic on October 16, 1996
   Enlightened
   Member of Harf

   Cash : 1155 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFRobert

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snowgod (Phil Ackley) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: March 31, 1996, 21:48 EST
   Expert in Internomic matters
   Ambassador
   Registrar
   Gaoler
   Belt Holder/Wrangler
   Has a Blue Cross and a Silver Stripe [Image] [Image]
   Has a Whamiol [Image]
   Has a Pyriac Frobnotzer [Image]
   Has a Newspaper called the Steel Flea Gazette and SFG Internomic Edition 
   Has the Little Lamb [Image]
   Wearing a Wool Sweater

   Wearing a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Has two other Prosthetic Foreheads [Image] [Image] he is not wearing

   Has wings
   Burned as a Heretic 4 times: July 1, July 8, July 28, July 28
   Member of (None Yet)
   Swinger for (None Yet)
   Member of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Founder of The Church of the Markovian Dream
   Processing Chips: 3

   Cash : 825 A$
   Bonds:  42 PFsnowgod
           20 PFMohammed
           50 PBPIdiot
           20 PFNiccolo
           10 PFMalenkai
           65 PBPTechno

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Strider (Jason McCulley) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: January 2, 1997, 17:18 EST
   NAP Swinger

   Cash : 901 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFStrider

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Swann (Steven Swiniarski) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: December 3, 1996, 03:58 EST
   Mad Scientist
   Has an Evil Ballot Stuffer
   Processing Chips: 4

   Cash : 1075 A$
   Bonds: 100 PFSwann

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Techno (Jerome Herrman) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: March 31, 1996, 21:48 EST; Quit Oct 14; Rejoined Dec 6, 1996, 
12:00 EST
   Silly [Image]
   Has a Chartreuse Goose Egg [Image]
   Has, but is not wearing, a Prosthetic Forehead [Image]
   Member of Harf

   Cash : 685 A$
   Bonds: 10 BPBTechno

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ThinMan (John Bollinger) [[email-masked]]
   Joined: March 29, 1996, 13:17 EST
   Winner of the 6th cycle (by paradox, August 23, 1996)
   Is wearing his a Champion's Cloak
   Senator (seat Melvin)
   Praetor
   Has a Blue Cross [Image]
   Has a Bronze Torch [Image]
   Has a Rock to wind a string around [Image]
   Has a Prosthetic Forehead [Image] he is not wearing
   Has pointy ears

   Member of Vulcan

   Cash : 1709 A$
   Bonds: 90 PFThinMan
          10 PFMalenkai

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