Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #438
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Ackanomic Digest        Sunday, January 5 1997        Volume 01 : Number 438

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:53:49 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer 

>Having spent some time in Ausie-land, I can say two things with confidence:
>
>1) They will never give up the slogan voluntarily
>2) They spend so much of their time in drunken stupors that we could kick their
>   butts in a war

Although the idea of internomic "wars" is interesting, I would not wish to
set a precedent by having a cyberspace entity declaring war on a RL nation.   :(

Mind you, that would fulfill the 2h part of the Harf charter...    :)

CnH
thinking we need to read up on the UN charter to find loopholes

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:57:21 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer 

>For ref: While never legislated, the consensus in Agora is that Agoraspace
>is a non-euclidian toroidal manifold somewhere outside the typical 3-space--
>at least that's where the mood was when I was protoing my Agoraspace Proposals.

"... somewhere outside the typical 3-space..."

Anyone else thinking they are in one of the goal cells?    :)
Should we tell them?   ;)

CnH
just don't let'em out!

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 16:54:24 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg II

John Martin Lotz wrote:

> Where does Reorg 1 have multiple rule documents.

It didn't.

> I had thought that it was best to try a hyperlinked ruleset to allow people
> to kick the tires,  Also I wanted to work this as a committee/RFC to
> allow various points of view to be included.

Feedback last time was that people did nit like a hyperlinked ruleset.
There are many reasons, the obvious ones are:

1) Acka is a PBeM game, not a web-based game.  I try to stay away from
web-specific legislation if possible.  There is at least one player
who does not have http access to the web, therefore it will be easier
to get rules to him [because, presumably, it would be easier to write
a script on a single doc than a hypertexted web].

2) It is much easier to do a global search on a flat as opposed to
hypertext document.

3) It is easier to read the rules if they are not too hypertexed.

> > renumber R 1554, "Land Baroncy" to 844 [just in case]
> 
> "Just in case Why?"

Just in case P 1616 is not accepted.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:04:56 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC R207/1554/1564/797 fix, v.2 

>	I'd be insanely happy if you'd just wipe out Days of Meditation 
>completely.

Insanely? Well, I liked it, but since I don't like it insanely, do what you
must.

CnH

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:46:22 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 

>> Superman may only fly through Ackanomic's airspace when wearing the a tight
>> blue suit with a yellow and red "S" badge on the front, and a red cape, or
>> while traveling as Clark Kent.
>
>    Do we have a way to contact him and inform him of this?  It seems a
>bit presumptuous of us to regulate his clothing without his knowledge.
>Perhaps we could wait until he drops by, and let him know how we feel
>before banning him based on his wardrobe.
>
>			Regards,
>				Strider
>
>(who is ambiguous about the new costume)

I imagine that we could send out the goose, to intercept him should we
detect his approach.  Of course, and this would only be fair, the inventor
could get out one of those devices that not even he can understand and we
can make contact with those topsiders who control supermans costume and let
them know how we feel (alternatively, we could go to www.four11.com and
send emaiol to every person we can find namede clark kent) or post messages
to all the superhero and aviation newsgroups concerning the new restricted
airspace under the bottom of the earth.

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:50:07 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer 

>>For ref: While never legislated, the consensus in Agora is that Agoraspace
>>is a non-euclidian toroidal manifold somewhere outside the typical 3-space--
>>at least that's where the mood was when I was protoing my Agoraspace
>>Proposals.
>
>"... somewhere outside the typical 3-space..."
>
>Anyone else thinking they are in one of the goal cells?    :)
>Should we tell them?   ;)
>
>CnH
>just don't let'em out!

Wuite possible.... How many of you know that for a while (before one of
Malenkai's amendments) the entire universe was ONE SYLLABLE away from
resideing in our treasury!  If only that rule has said entity (or nomic
entity) instead of ackaentity....

Oh well,
snowgod

Yeah, I say we tell them.... I can post an official message to internomic
if someone who knows fractals a little better than me wants to draw it up.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:40:05 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 

>> Superman may only fly through Ackanomic's airspace when wearing the a tight
>> blue suit with a yellow and red "S" badge on the front, and a red cape, or
>> while traveling as Clark Kent.
>
>You won't let Superman fly through  Ackanomic airspace wearing his new
>suit? (which is, I think, blue and white without a cape) :)
>
>Lestrade

No!  Absolutley not... Superman's new suit is a travesty, and we should not
permit it's display under our airspace!  However, were he to change his
suit to the previous design (or something with similar elements) he would
once again be able to flyunder.

In case the mission is entirely to urgent for him to change his suit (with
all the accompaning legal hassles and artistic reviews) he may still pass
through our airspace dressed as Clark Kent, and don his new suit once he
has left.

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:42:23 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Harf 

>On the cover of the current (February 1997) issue of Games magazine, the
>word HARF is clearly visible at the upper left part of the bowl of
>alphabet soup.
>
>/dev/joe

Wow!  Really?  Perhaps we ough to officially recognize that cover as a
symbol of divine guidance.

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:57:20 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer 

> If only that rule has said entity (or nomic
>>entity) instead of ackaentity....
>>

One syllable?  Ha!  What was I thinking??? Two syllables, one word...

Oh well,
snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:03:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Re: Reorg

>>> 4.  While the reorginization is treated as a proposal, any rules relating
>>> to gain or loss of points or Processing chips are specifiacaly waived.
	I see what this means now.  Maybe "although" would be better than 
"while" in this case, just because it's easy to be misled by thinking of 
"while" in the temporal sense.
> > 	I tried to do something remotely like this a while ago, but /dev/joe 
> > (?) quickly changed it back.  The result was the entire dotted-number 
> > system we have now.  At the time I remember I recoiled at the thought of 
> > adding a page and a half of rules for no apparent reason... :o)  I was 
> > young then...
> Why was it changed back?
	There was a fervent belief at the time that an idea should have a 
single i.d. number that followed it around... so when a proposal creates a 
rule, the rule should naturally have the same number as the proposal.
	This seems to have been turned on its ear.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:07:14 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ghost (breadbox) 

I have no play and resign from ghost.

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:11:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Harf

> On the cover of the current (February 1997) issue of Games magazine, the
> word HARF is clearly visible at the upper left part of the bowl of
> alphabet soup.
	So it is.  :o)  Neat.

- --Mohammed
Games subscriber since the '80s (yow)
no t-shirt yet

They once published a Wild Card I sent to them, though.  I don't remember 
which issue, but it had to have been between June 1992 and August 1993.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 17:12:47 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 (Superman)

> No!  Absolutley not... Superman's new suit is a travesty, and we should not
> permit it's display under our airspace!  However, were he to change his
> suit to the previous design (or something with similar elements) he would
> once again be able to flyunder.
> 
> In case the mission is entirely to urgent for him to change his suit (with
> all the accompaning legal hassles and artistic reviews) he may still pass
> through our airspace dressed as Clark Kent, and don his new suit once he
> has left.
> 
> snowgod

Maybe we should place a phone booth on the border to allow him to
change.

Lestrade

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:15:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1608

> > If the !0th days of the month falls on a festival or a holiday,
> > Just the FAQs must
> 
> My copy of P1608 stops here.  Is there more?
	Nope, that's all I received.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 18:26:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Mad Hatter (Mohammed)

Mohammed has been chosen as mad hatter for 23 Skidoo.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:38:40 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 (Superman) 

 to urgent for him to change his suit (with
>> all the accompaning legal hassles and artistic reviews) he may still pass
>> through our airspace dressed as Clark Kent, and don his new suit once he
>> has left.
>>
>> snowgod
>
>
>Maybe we should place a phone booth on the border to allow him to
>change.
>

I would certainly support a rule to that effect :)

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:37:12 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: RE Proposal 1608

I've resent this twice

this is what I sent:

Title:  Just the FAQ's
Author:  Jammer (AKA John-Martin Lotz)

This is a modest idea.

This creates the functional office of the FAQtotem. 

The duties of the FAQtotem is to gather together all 
required officer reports; a brief description of each office,
not to excede 256 ascii characters including spaces; 
and an E-Mail address of all current officers.

E shall gather all of this information together on a
document called Just the FAQs, and shall e-mail all
active players, all observers, and anyone else deemed
eligable to recieve it.

E shall send it out on or before.the 10th day of each
calandar month.

E shall send it to any person who joins Ackanomic
as an oberserver or  a player.

If the FAQtotem is not available to proform the
duties of the office the president shall designate a player
to fill this role.

If the !0th days of the month falls on a festival or a holiday,
Just the FAQs must still be sent however or it may be sent
earlier

Jammer
who just copied this out of his sent
box, and is extremely curious

Jammer

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 15:44:33 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: RE Proposal 1608

Could this be covered under R 901, "No E-mail, No Game",  if
so I'd like to do so and resubmit under the wording I just sent

Title:  Just the FAQ's
Author:  Jammer (AKA John-Martin Lotz)

This is a modest idea.

This creates the functional office of the FAQtotem. 

The duties of the FAQtotem is to gather together all 
required officer reports; a brief description of each office,
not to excede 256 ascii characters including spaces; 
and an E-Mail address of all current officers.

E shall gather all of this information together on a
document called Just the FAQs, and shall e-mail all
active players, all observers, and anyone else deemed
eligable to recieve it.

E shall send it out on or before.the 10th day of each
calandar month.

E shall send it to any person who joins Ackanomic
as an oberserver or  a player.

If the FAQtotem is not available to proform the
duties of the office the president shall designate a player
to fill this role.

If the !0th days of the month falls on a festival or a holiday,
Just the FAQs must still be sent however or it may be sent
earlier

Jammer

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 18:49:00 EST 
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Re: P1614-1615

I intentionally broke up my original Internomic Justice Proposal into
four parts because there were some comments from different Players
objecting to different segments.  I felt it was better in the long run to
use seperate Proposals for each use so that Players could vote for the
uses they aggreed with without feeling they had to vote for something
they didn't want,  or voting down the whole thing,  which would leave us
without a way to use Internomic Justice,  which was also just Proposed.

Please,  vote for those items you think will be usefiul to Ackanomic.  IJ
has the potential to be very helpful in the future.

Habeous Corpus

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 17:48:22 -0600
From: Eric Freeman <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607

Stephen McCulley wrote:
> 
>     Do we have a way to contact him and inform him of this?  It seems a
> bit presumptuous of us to regulate his clothing without his knowledge.
> Perhaps we could wait until he drops by, and let him know how we feel
> before banning him based on his wardrobe.
> 
>                         Regards,
>                                 Strider
> 
> (who is ambiguous about the new costume)

No, I don't think we need to contact him.  As in the real world, it is up
to the individual to know the laws (ignorance is no defence).

AirHead
(Celebrating another Cheese-Head victory)

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 18:51:39 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607

> >
> >     Do we have a way to contact him and inform him of this?  It seems a
> > bit presumptuous of us to regulate his clothing without his knowledge.
> > Perhaps we could wait until he drops by, and let him know how we feel
> > before banning him based on his wardrobe.
> >
> >                         Regards,
> >                                 Strider
> >
> > (who is ambiguous about the new costume)
> 
> No, I don't think we need to contact him.  As in the real world, it is up
> to the individual to know the laws (ignorance is no defence).
> 
> AirHead
> (Celebrating another Cheese-Head victory)

We better stock up on the Kriptonite if we tell him off.

Lestrade
(Not celebrating another Cheese-Head victory)

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:09:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: RE Proposal 1608

> Could this be covered under R 901, "No E-mail, No Game",  if
> so I'd like to do so and resubmit under the wording I just sent
> 
> 
> Title:  Just the FAQ's
> Author:  Jammer (AKA John-Martin Lotz)
  [proposal which got cut off in mail sent to the promoter]

Rule 901 doesn't apply in any way.  All it says is that you have to have
a valid e-mail address, you have to configure your computer and email
software to report the time and time zone accurately, and recently a bit
was added to allow erroneous timestamps on messages to be corrected.

Just ignore it.  If the proposal is accepted, that part can be fixed.

> If the !0th days of the month falls on a festival or a holiday,
> Just the FAQs must still be sent however or it may be sent
> earlier

(That part actually has no effect, as festivals don't affect anything
besides proposals, and holiday time is only skipped for periods of time
defined in the rules -- an event scheduled at a specific time, rather
than after a specific period, will be unaffected by a holiday.)

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:20:37 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 (Superman) 

At 02:38 PM 04-01-97 -0900, Phil Ackley wrote:
> to urgent for him to change his suit (with
>>> all the accompaning legal hassles and artistic reviews) he may still pass
>>> through our airspace dressed as Clark Kent, and don his new suit once he
>>> has left.
>>>
>>> snowgod
>>
>>
>>Maybe we should place a phone booth on the border to allow him to
>>change.
>>
>
>
>I would certainly support a rule to that effect :)

As would I. Actually, we'd need four booth, one on each "side".

CnH

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:23:03 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1607 

>We better stock up on the Kriptonite if we tell him off.

The green kind or the red kind? Or maybe we could have a new ackakriptonite
(blue!) that has power only in Acka. We don't want to start manufacturing
kriptonite that evil beings can come steal and use against Superman in other
places.   :)

CnH

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 21:56:52 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Web Pages

As pointed out earlier, my ISP is having some sort of problem.  Any
access to any of the Acka pages I maintain will fail.

They claim they are moving all user homepages to another server (with
a different name, of course), and will let me know when they are
available again.  The new server does not have a DNS entry yet, so
who knows how long it will be.  They did not give any advance warning
of this.  Bummer.

In any case, my Acka pages will be unavailable until this is sorted
out.  I guess the only important ones are the Internomic and Player
Entity pages, unless you are on a Treasure Hunt :)

If you need anything that is typically kept on my pages, e-mail me and
I'll send it out.  Hopefully this will be sorted out monday.

Malenkai
assistant web harfer

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:19:14 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Reorg II

- ----------
re comments by Malenkai on January 04, 1997 1:54 PM
> 
> John Martin Lotz wrote:
> 
> > I had thought that it was best to try a hyperlinked ruleset to allow
people
> > to kick the tires,  Also I wanted to work this as a committee/RFC to
> > allow various points of view to be included.
> 
> Feedback last time was that people did nit like a hyperlinked ruleset.
> There are many reasons, the obvious ones are:
> 
> 1) Acka is a PBeM game, not a web-based game.  I try to stay away from
> web-specific legislation if possible.  There is at least one player
> who does not have http access to the web, therefore it will be easier
> to get rules to him [because, presumably, it would be easier to write
> a script on a single doc than a hypertexted web].
> 
> 2) It is much easier to do a global search on a flat as opposed to
> hypertext document.
> 
> 3) It is easier to read the rules if they are not too hypertexed.
> 
> 
While admittedly I had thought of using it as the Official Web page,
my reaon for creating a HTM  version of the sample reorg was ease 
and simplicity of checking and updating the finished product. keep the 
current ruleset with each rule a a HTML target, then write a a reorg
page that links the new order to the old document.

By kicking the tires I meant that we would get see any connective text and 
look at the rules in the final order. not that we were going to buy it as
is.

If people want the rule set in order off the WWW all they need is a browser
and 
the two documents, open them in the same directory and play with it.

Regarding searching, I agree 100 percent.  

BTW where is The size of things?

Jammer

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