Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #436
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Ackanomic Digest       Saturday, January 4 1997       Volume 01 : Number 436

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 01:03:18 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Rule 207 is so long now that I think it would look better with some
> numbers and names for the various sections.  If nobody objects, I'll
> make a clean-up proposal which does this, fixes up 1554 as above, and
> repeals 1564.

If you don't mind, fold R 1554 into something in the mid 800s with the
rest of the location stuff.  I had planned to do this with reorg II,
which will come out after "Players" passes or fails, but you might
as well do it now.

Also, I had planned to renumber that "cows eat grass" rule to 207.1 in
reorg II.  If you are going to muck with R 207, you might want to
bring that one up there somehow.

Also, the language in 207 and 209 still has to be sorted out.  Still
haven't looked into that more.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:14:54 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

Could you put titles on the rules and proposals

Jammer who thinks better that way

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 01:19:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Random Event:  What is the current Price of Land in Acka?

John Martin Lotz wrote:
> 
> Between holidays, vacations, the soltice, and everything
> else, its hard to calculate; but I figure that at least a week
> has passed since 12 December, 1996 and I haven't seen
> the current price of land posted.

The existence of R 1554 has been publically knowable for less than
one week, if you figure in the holiday.  Also, it doesn't really look
like a random thing, and I do not know the odds if it is supposed to
be a random thing.

Malenkai
officer in charge of random things

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 01:26:07 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

Malenkai wrote:

> If you don't mind, fold R 1554 into something in the mid 800s with the
> rest of the location stuff. 

Forgot one thing, if you don't mind.  Could you make that random land
thing occur once a month, or in conjunction with salaries, bond yields,
or some such so that it is not another thing to do at a different time.

Also, I would like someone to propose some use for Processing Chips...

Malenkai
who has a real job, over an acre of land to maintain, and other projects
on the side, and may be taking a part time job in addition to the full time
job

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:31:30 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>Rule 1554 has some problems; notably, it gives extra land to incoming
>players in addition to the land their house is on, which is given by R839.
>Due to this, I believe Strider owns 2 kaa of land, one of them with his
>house on it.  It also seems to imply that the change in the land price
>should be made randomly, but doesn't state this explicitly.  It also
>doesn't take precedence over R839 on the issue of buying common land;
>that rule says the Senate must still approve all deals to buy common land.

I also note that the following isn't clear:
>All players entering the game are allocated one kaa with the area of Acka.

Did it mean "within"? Could the current format be interpreted to say Strider
now owns all the lands currently in play on the map? [insert scary thought here]

I don't know if we want the Senate to continue approving land deals. Is it a
case of extra bureaucracy or valuable safeguard? From a financial point of
view, it seems uselss, but from a political point of view, could be
important. I think you are in a better position to answer that question.

>Stray rules like 1564 are
>a lot of what is confusing about our rule set and what makes it so big;
>we are better off without it.

True enough, it is confusing in its current location and format. But just
rejecting it seems harsh.

Section 1 and 3 could be changed to have their first sentence read,
respectively:

>Upon rejection of 9 consecutive proposals the Tabulator shall [...]
>If there are more than 9 consecutive proposals that fail, only [...]

The number 9 is just a suggestion. 3 is too small for just failures to pass.
The changes still keep the spirit of the rule, which is about writing better
rules (first sentence). Also, it could be renumbered to around 207, which
would make sense. Since a whole reworking of the 207 area is in progress,
maybe that could be squeezed in?

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:34:43 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>Could you put titles on the rules and proposals

839 Buildings
1554 Land Baroncy

207 Scoring When A Proposal's Voting Results are Reported
1564 Days of Meditation

CnH

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:37:05 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

> 
> RFC: Christmas Rush Fixup
> 
> Rule 1554 has some problems; notably, it gives extra land to incoming
> players in addition to the land their house is on, which is given by
R839.
> Due to this, I believe Strider owns 2 kaa of land, one of them with his
> house on it.  It also seems to imply that the change in the land price
> should be made randomly, but doesn't state this explicitly.  It also
> doesn't take precedence over R839 on the issue of buying common land;
> that rule says the Senate must still approve all deals to buy common
land.
> 
> Rule 207 is so long now that I think it would look better with some
> numbers and names for the various sections.  If nobody objects, I'll
> make a clean-up proposal which does this, fixes up 1554 as above, and
> repeals 1564.
> 
Mia cupa,  I had thought that I was explicit enough in stating it was
random.
I messed up on the other problems.

Jammer
who is looking around for a precpice
to throw himself from ;-)

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:41:32 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>Also, I would like someone to propose some use for Processing Chips...

R222 uses them. [wow!]

Sounds like just the thing to be used up as raw material by the inventor, or
simply members of the research guild. That might get their values to jump a
bit. I'm also wondering about our Institute of Genetic Replication...    :)

>who has a real job, over an acre of land to maintain, and other projects
>on the side, and may be taking a part time job in addition to the full time
>job

Did they design the new superman costume after you?

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:47:35 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prayer 

Oh God, in control of the weather,
I fear I've missed my deadline again
but in case I have not
I offer to thee
a prayer, hypocondriatic requests
that I do not get sick in the upcoming months
as well as wish that my house does not remain discombobulated
nor that more house dangle do to my error.

Rosh amid lgeck lgeck eei
said the priest, unconditionaly.

snowgod
delinquent priest of the Church of the Markovian Dream

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 01:41:06 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Dangling

2 non-vacationing priests (snowgod, Bascule) failed to pray, unless
itw ate some of my mail, which I suppose is more likely than not.
The following buildings start dangling as a result.  I will build
another Grav. Monopole after the Evil Ballot Stuffer is done:

Mellon's House
breadbox's House
Sherwood Castle
23 Skidoo's House
De'ghew's House

Malenkai
randomly ** * ******** ****** ****

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 01:48:34 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

T Joffrain wrote:
> 
> >Also, I would like someone to propose some use for Processing Chips...
> 
> R222 uses them. [wow!]

But R 222 is inert, so they are not really used.
 
> Sounds like just the thing to be used up as raw material by the inventor, 

Actually that is a good idea.  Perhaps a gadget that continuously 
turns them into bonus votes :)

> Did they design the new superman costume after you?

Ignore me, I get grumpy when my ISP's routers and servers go belly up.

Malenkai
who is amazed that the mail server is still alive

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:00:33 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Dangling 

>2 non-vacationing priests (snowgod, Bascule) failed to pray, unless

Argh. And snowgod's message was just before yours. Isn't irony great.

>The following buildings start dangling as a result.  I will build
>another Grav. Monopole after the Evil Ballot Stuffer is done:

Please do.

>Mellon's House
>breadbox's House
>Sherwood Castle
>23 Skidoo's House
>De'ghew's House

Well, as Ackaphysicist, I'd like to offer my services to the owner of the
gm. I'll split fees 50-50 and refund the fee myself for any use that goes
bad. I'll also do all haunted houses for free.

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:06:12 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>But R 222 is inert, so they are not really used.

[deep evil growl]

>> Sounds like just the thing to be used up as raw material by the inventor, 
>
>Actually that is a good idea.  Perhaps a gadget that continuously 
>turns them into bonus votes :)

That would be quite good. I was thinking more along the lines of having them
used up in the creation of gadgets. Say you need 1 chip to build one gadget.
Chip is then destroyed.

Calvin N Hobbes
wondering if we can get to proposal 2000 before year 1 is over

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:14:00 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Internomic: Results P317 and P318 

>Did snowgod propose this?  If so, he scores 7 points, I think.
>
>Jan 02 14:45 EST: +7 snowgod: Internomic proposal 318.
>
>---
>
>Also, could the Ambassador get me the URL of Pumpkin Patch Nomic, and
>their Liaison's name and e-mail address so I can properly update the
>Internomic home page?
>
>thx
>Malenkai

I did propose it, yes.

The URL for the PP homepage is
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~drwest/reporter.html

The GRAPE's name is sbuchana <R. Scott Buchanan> and his email adress is
[email-masked]

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:53:58 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Assistant Web Harfers 

I officially volunteer to maintain (I guess that means I need to update)
the ambassadors page.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:00:54 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>>who has a real job, over an acre of land to maintain, and other projects
>>on the side, and may be taking a part time job in addition to the full time
>>job
>
>Did they design the new superman costume after you?
>
>Calvin N Hobbes

Superman has a new costume? Really?

snowgod
who feels out of touch

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:22:25 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Duel? 

I can't find the official announcement, but I think that since the duel
'tween Malenkai and myself went up for a vote during the Holiday, the
voting period ought to have expired by now?

or maybe not...

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:30:15 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>Superman has a new costume? Really?

Oh yeah. Electric blue with whole new powers. Have a look at
http://www.diamdcom.com/previews/previews.html

The left hand image has a picture.

Calvin N Hobbes

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 22:43:34 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>>Superman has a new costume? Really?
>
>Oh yeah. Electric blue with whole new powers. Have a look at
>http://www.diamdcom.com/previews/previews.html
>
>The left hand image has a picture.
>
>Calvin N Hobbes

Oh, ick.  I don't like it.  Superman... The ambigous gay superhero (thanks SNL)

snowgod

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 01:50:28 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff 

>Oh, ick.  I don't like it.  Superman... The ambigous gay superhero (thanks SNL)

I think that was the general reaction on usenet. Although never quite
phrased that way.  :)  Most people hope it is a short change thing, or that
he will change back from time to time.

A la spiderman with his black costume (although that one was cool).

Calvin N Hobbes
thinking there should be a rule about these things in acka

New prop:
Superman may only fly over Acka if he is wearing the original (tm) costume.

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:03:10 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Superheros and Air Supremecy 

>New prop:
>Superman may only fly over Acka if he is wearing the original (tm) costume.

I'd certainly vote for it, or even better:

Ackanomic maintains the exclusive right to regulate the skies under the
bottom side of the earth.  No entity, ackanomic, internomic, or extranomic,
may pass through Ackanomic's airspace without first recieving permission
from the President (or a player he appoints for the purpose of granting
flyunder rights) unless that flyunder is specifically permitted by
Ackanomic's rules [ie, the goose]

It is impermissable for the President (or his appointee) to grant flyunder
rights to an entity who has been specifically banned the right to pass
through our airspace by a rule.

Superman may only fly through Ackanomic's airspace when wearing the A tight
blue suit with a yellow and red "S" badge on the front with a red cape.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:10:41 -0600 (CST)
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Superheros and Air Supremecy 

>Ackanomic maintains the exclusive right to regulate the skies [...]

lol!

This one has to be harfy! And I'd vote for it. Flyunder. I love it.

CnH
wanting an acka made superman costume...

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 00:19:43 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Reorg

This is to inspire, hopefully, discussion

A) Organization of Rules
A rule number is in the form Rule x-9999 where x is
a roman alphabetic charaacter and 9 is a Arabic digit.

The x value denotes the catagory of a rule
{Some possible catagories}

	A = organizing principles 
	B = defining terms {Wherein are definitions of players land, entiities
etc.}
	C = Players and player interface {to include new players, vacation, undead
etc}
	D = Offices and Officers
	E = Land and buildings {to include land, hotels etc}
	.
	.
	.
	.

The 9999 value denotes a seriel number within each catagory.  This
explicitly does
not limit the maximum number of riles with a catagory.

B:  Precedence: 
 
Precedence goes in numeric order within a catagory and in alphabetic 
order between catagories unless explicitly stated in a rule.

C: Tranfering existing Rules to new ruleset order.

1. The presdident shall appoint a committee to catagoriize existing rules
and
to relate precedence and references.
2. The committee shall create a HTML page showing the the new rule set
linked to the main web site of Ackanomic within two weeks of its formation.
3. The sample page shall be available for view and comment for two weeks
and shall be concidered introduced as a proposal
4.  While the reorginization is treated as a proposal, any rules relating
to 
gain or loss of points or Processing chips are specifiacaly waived.

D:  Treatment of proposals in process 
Any rule passed during the period while the committee is working
shall be given a two week grace period to be catagorized

E:  Ammendments
The Promoter shall determine what catagory any proposal shall be in
and post it in the announcement.
If there is a diagreement as to what catagory a trial shall be held
according
to the aplicable rules
Proposals shall be numbered as a straight serial based of order 
recieved by the Promoter or person designated to serve in the promoter's
capacity.
Any Proposal that is accepted shall be assigned a rule number one greater
current newest rule in a catagory and it shall be the newest rule in the
catagory.

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 23:47:44 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Map-Harfer 

Mr. Map-Harfer,

Could you please enlighten us on the matter of Ackanomic's geographic
relationships to various extranomic entities?  It has always been my view
that Ackanomic is the ONLY entity residing on the bottom of the earth, with
other entities (including other nomic games) residing on the top and
arrayed in a north/south configuration (with a line bisecting the disc as
an equator).   I suppose, though, that a case could be made that various
entities in the southern hemisphere actually reside on the bottom side of
the earth with us, though I find this interpretation to be much less fun.

If my first scenario is correct, I believe Australia is incorrect to use
the slogan "the land down under" and we shouddrespectfully request that
they cease and decist immediatly (probably a matter for the ambassador) and
failing that, we may have to declare war on australia (of course, this
decision should be left to everyone).

These determinations could be most important for airspace issues and
fishing rights too :)

snowgod
who doesn't actually mean a thing he says in the second or third
paragraphs, but is quite serious about the first.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:56:23 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Malenkai- snowgod Limerick Duel

Here are the voting results for the Limerick Duel between Malenkai and
snowgod:

snowgod
- --------
snowgod
breadbox
G. Peefalt
Niccolo Flychuck

Malenkai
- -------
Malenkai
Habeous Corpus
/dev/joe
Mohammed

We have four votes for each. According to the Limerick rules, in case of a
tie the winner of the Duel is the one whose Limerick was posted first.
Malenkai posted eir Limerick first, and therefore  wins the Duel.

Niccolo Flychuck
GamesMaster

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:11:12 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:Bomb shelter Question was Acka: Score Report

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, John Martin Lotz wrote:

> 
> > 
> > > The tornado did not change any scores, as there was a bomb shelter, but
> > > did it knock any buildings off the earth?  I don't know if all the
> dangling
> > > buildings were blessed or reattached before the tornado.
> > 
> > I believe only houses are affected, and all houses were blessed.
> > Furthermore, due to the way I render the Tornado rule, it has no
> > effect whatsoever if there is a Bomb Shelter, qv P 1587.
> >  
> Is a Bomb Shelter permanant.  If so, Tornados no longer have effect
> 
> Hmmmmmm.
> 
> Jammer
> thinking furiously
The Bomb Shelter lasts for 7 days. In this specific instance, the Holiday
made it last a little longer.

Niccolo Flychuck

> 

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 04:14:42 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Steven A. Swiniarski)
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer

>
>Mr. Map-Harfer,
>
>Could you please enlighten us on the matter of Ackanomic's geographic
>relationships to various extranomic entities?  It has always been my view
>that Ackanomic is the ONLY entity residing on the bottom of the earth, with
>other entities (including other nomic games)

For ref: While never legislated, the consensus in Agora is that Agoraspace
is a non-euclidian toroidal manifold somewhere outside the typical 3-space--
at least that's where the mood was when I was protoing my Agoraspace Proposals.

Swann

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:20:41 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, T Joffrain wrote:

> >But R 222 is inert, so they are not really used.
> 
> [deep evil growl]
> 
> >> Sounds like just the thing to be used up as raw material by the inventor, 
> >
> >Actually that is a good idea.  Perhaps a gadget that continuously 
> >turns them into bonus votes :)
> 
> That would be quite good. I was thinking more along the lines of having them
> used up in the creation of gadgets. Say you need 1 chip to build one gadget.
> Chip is then destroyed.
> 
> Calvin N Hobbes
> wondering if we can get to proposal 2000 before year 1 is over
> 
Could be used to power up some Gadgets.
Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:24:43 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: RFC R207/1554/1564/797 fix, v.2

RFC II
Christmastime Proposals Fixup
/dev/joe

{{[ If I instead make Days of Meditation simply be defined as a special
    Festival of Torkola, we can drop changes 7 and 10 below, simplify 5
    somewhat, and also drop part of the existing Days of Meditation rule
    that duplicates the Festival rule.  Would this be acceptable?]}}

1. Amend rule 207 as follows:
   Number the 8 paragraphs of the rule I through VIII, and insert
   these titles at the front of the respective paragraphs:
     I. Timing of these score changes
     II. Timing when results are reported simultaneously
     III. Scoring on Accepted Proposals
     IV. Scoring on Rejected Proposals
     V. Effect of Proposals which do not meet Quorum
     VI. Short Proposal Bonus
     VII. New Player Author Bonus
     VIII. Null Proposals

2. Amend rule 1554 to read, in full:
   "Any active player may purchase a kaa of empty, common land by paying
    the current Price of Land (rounded down to the nearest whole number
    of A$) to the treasury.  This purchase does not require senate
    approval; this paragraph takes precedence over rule 839.

    Every two weeks, at the time officer's salaries are paid, the
    Officer in Charge of Random Things shall choose one of the following
    five possible events to occur:

      A. The Price of Land increases by five percent (5%)
      B. The Price of Land increases by 1%
      C. The Price of Land does not change
      D. The Price of Land decreases by 1%
      E. The Price of Land decreases by 5%

    If this results in the Price of Land having more than 3 digits
    to the right of the decimal point, the excess ones are truncated."

    {{[This prevents having the price of land being 49.871562302625 after
    many months of doing this, while still being reasonably exact.]}}

3. Renumber rule 1554 to 844.

4. Renumber rule 728 to 207.1  [Scoring for silly proposals]

5. Amend rule 1564 as follows:

   In section 1, change "3" to "9" and delete "due to Quorum not being met"
     and change "24 hours after the President's posted declaration as
     determined by the President's time zone" to "at the start of the next
     day after the President's posted declaration in his time zone."
  {{[Making this consistent with Festivals, and making it make more sense.]}}

   Change section 3 to read:  "If more than nine consecutive proposals are
     rejected, only the first nine will invoke Days of Meditation.  All
     rejected proposals between the first nine and the end of Days of
     Meditation are ignored for the purposes of this rule.  Days of
     Meditation never begin during a Festival of Torkola, nor will they
     occur if a Festival of Torkola is scheduled to begin at the same time
     as the Days of Meditation."

6. Renumber rule 1564 to 206.

7. Amend rule 797 by adding the following to the end of section 2:
   "A Festival of Torkola may not begin during Days of Meditation."

8. Renumber rule 797 to 205.

9. Amend rules 406 and 415 by changing each occurrence of "797" to "205".

10. Amend rule 406 as follows:
  Insert ' or Days of Meditation' after 'except during a Festival of Torkola'
  Insert ' or Days of Meditation' after both occurrences of 'the Festival'.
  Insert ' and Rule 206 ("Days of Meditation")' before the first occurrence
    of '.]'

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:37:04 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map-Harfer

snowgod wrote:
> Mr. Map-Harfer,
> 
> Could you please enlighten us on the matter of Ackanomic's geographic
> relationships to various extranomic entities?  It has always been my view
> that Ackanomic is the ONLY entity residing on the bottom of the earth, with
> other entities (including other nomic games) residing on the top and
> arrayed in a north/south configuration (with a line bisecting the disc as
> an equator).   I suppose, though, that a case could be made that various
> entities in the southern hemisphere actually reside on the bottom side of
> the earth with us, though I find this interpretation to be much less fun.

All known entities residing on the bottom of the earth are shown on the map
on the map-harfer's web page (except for recent changes not yet updated;
I have to fit that Museum in there somehow, preferably in a T shape).

Ackanomic has no boundary with any other nomic; the Wilds extend around
all sides of the civilized land.  Other nomics exist on the top side of the
earth, or on one of the two hemispherical masses dangling from the earth
by emergency tethers (as described in rule 1344), or possibly in some
other place not attached to the earth at all.

/dev/joe
Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:28:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Re: Reorg

Please try to use "Acka:" in the subject line of messages to the list 
server.  Thanks.  :o)

> A) Organization of Rules
> A rule number is in the form Rule x-9999 where x is
> a roman alphabetic charaacter and 9 is a Arabic digit.
	I'd prefer to see an expansion of the current system:

A rule number is a whole number, followed by one or more suffixes made up 
of a period followed by another whole number.

	So that 9.8 is an okay rule number, and so is 9.1028.109 and so 
is 3.4.5.6     ... Precedence wouldn't change all that much from the way 
it is right now.
	This has the further advantage that we could renumber rules 210 
thru 219 (for example) to 2.10 through 2.19 without making me relearn the 
numbers again.  :o)

> 4.  While the reorginization is treated as a proposal, any rules relating
> to gain or loss of points or Processing chips are specifiacaly waived.
	If what you mean is that your proposal will start having effects 
before it actually passes a vote, that's impossible.  What benefit are 
you going after with this?

> E:  Ammendments
> The Promoter shall determine what catagory any proposal shall be in
> and post it in the announcement.
	A Proposal also should be able to say for itself what category it 
wants to go under.

> Any Proposal that is accepted shall be assigned a rule number one greater
> current newest rule in a catagory and it shall be the newest rule in the
> catagory.
	I tried to do something remotely like this a while ago, but /dev/joe 
(?) quickly changed it back.  The result was the entire dotted-number 
system we have now.  At the time I remember I recoiled at the thought of 
adding a page and a half of rules for no apparent reason... :o)  I was 
young then...

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 07:34:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC R207/1554/1564/797 fix, v.2

> {{[ If I instead make Days of Meditation simply be defined as a special
>     Festival of Torkola, we can drop changes 7 and 10 below, simplify 5
>     somewhat, and also drop part of the existing Days of Meditation rule
>     that duplicates the Festival rule.  Would this be acceptable?]}}
	I'd be insanely happy if you'd just wipe out Days of Meditation 
completely.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:03:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC on fixing up some recent stuff

> > That would be quite good. I was thinking more along the lines of having them
> > used up in the creation of gadgets. Say you need 1 chip to build one gadget.
> > Chip is then destroyed.
> Could be used to power up some Gadgets.
	I still prefer CnH's idea because it solves a little problem. The
Boon of the Ancients could choose from among Gadgets that cost 3 Chips or
fewer to make.  The Scientists would then have a way to control which 
Blueprints can be spontaneously instantiated.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:08:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1604

Proposal 1604
Inside Outside
Jammer

This is a modest proposal

I wish to amend 1519 from

     I wish to make a modest proposal.

     All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees.

     Negligible 0 Thingees
     Small 1 Thingees
     Medium 2 Thingees
     Large 4 Thingees
     Huge 5 Thingees
     Really Huge 6 Thingees

     The significance of this is that all structures and land have a
     capacity measured in Thingees as well;
     a Space in a structure holds 10 Thingees
     a Kaa of land holds 25 Thingeess
     A Tower holds 6 Thingees

to

     I wish to make a modest proposal.

     All Items in Acka have a size measured in thingees.

     Negligible 0 Thingees
     Small 1 Thingees
     Medium 2 Thingees
     Large 4 Thingees
     Huge 5 Thingees
     Really Huge 6 Thingees

     The significance of this is that all structures and land have a
     capacity measured in Thingees as well;
     a Space in a structure holds 10 Thingees
     a Kaa of land holds 25 Thingeess
     A Tower holds 6 Thingees per 10 meters of height.

    If a Space holds a structure 10 Thingees shall be inside the structure
    and 15 shall be outside the structure.

    A tower shall add its capacity to the capacity of the structure it is
built on
    and shall not take away from the space it is on.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:08:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1605

Proposal 1605
What may have Towers
Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)

This is a modest proposal.

Proposal 1600 be changed from

Proposal 1600
 Elbow room
Jammer
> 
> This is a modest propsal.
> 
> A full Kaa of land is needed to build a space in a structure.
> 
> Any structure may have additional things built on to it, including
> towers.

to become
> 
> Proposal 1600
> Elbow room
> Jammer
> 
> This is a modest propsal.
> 
> A full Kaa of land is needed to build a space in a structure.
> 
> Only structures legally able to have tower on them may have towers
attached to it.

by deleting 

Any structure may have additional things built on to it, including
towers

and replacing it with

Only structures legally able to have tower on them may have towers
attached to it

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:09:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1606

Proposal 1606
P 1518, P 1543 bug fixes
Malenkai

This is a Modest proposal.

Amend R 445, "Preator", to replace

"
c) the owner of a Gold Stripe
"

with

"
c) the owner of a Gold Stripe or Ruby Slipper
"

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Amend R 406, "Promoter", to replace

"
      (c) to assign each proposal a number and distribute it for voting. 
"

with

     "
     (c) assign the proposal a number 1 greater than the number
     assigned to the previously distributed proposal, and distribute it
     for voting.
     "

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:10:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1607

Proposal 1607
Flyunder
snowgod

Ackanomic maintains the exclusive right to regulate the skies under the
bottom side of the earth.  No entity, ackanomic, internomic, or extranomic,
may pass through Ackanomic's airspace without first recieving permission
from the President (or a player he appoints for the purpose of granting
flyunder rights) unless that flyunder is specifically permitted by
Ackanomic's rules [ie, the goose]

It is impermissable for the President (or his appointee) to grant flyunder
rights to an entity who has been specifically banned the right to pass
through our airspace by a rule.

Superman may only fly through Ackanomic's airspace when wearing the a tight
blue suit with a yellow and red "S" badge on the front, and a red cape, or
while traveling as Clark Kent.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 09:06:07 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Malenkai- snowgod Limerick Duel

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Malenkai posted eir Limerick first, and therefore  wins the Duel.

Certainly I have satisified the conditions for finding the Chalice in
the Palace by now :)

Also, don't forget the score changes as a result of the duel.

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:12:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Proposal 1608

Note that this is not a modest proposal.  --acting promoter

Proposal 1608
Just the FAQ's
Jammer

This is a modest idea.

This creates the functional office of the FAQtotem. 

The duties of the FAQtotem is to gather together all 
required officer reports; a brief description of each office,
not to excede 256 ascii characters including spaces; 
and an E-Mail address of all current officers.

E shall gather all of this information together on a
document called Just the FAQs, and shall e-mail all
active players, all observers, and anyone else deemed
eligable to recieve it.

E shall send it out on or before.the 10th day of each
calandar month.

E shall send it to any person who joins Ackanomic
as an oberserver or  a player.

If the FAQtotem is not available to proform the
duties of the office the president shall designate a player
to fill this role.

If the !0th days of the month falls on a festival or a holiday,
Just the FAQs must 

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 09:08:34 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1604

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1604

This is the second P 1604 and P 1605.

Malenkai
who wonders if it matters

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:32:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1604    ---PLEASE READ

> This is the second P 1604 and P 1605.
> Malenkai
> who wonders if it matters
	Argh!  Yes, it matters; it's horrible.
	I can't believe I did that.
	Argh.
	I don't know if I can legally correct it now.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:32:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 1611

Proposal 1611
Cantrip 1
Mohammed

A rule shall be created with the following text:

{{
When this rule comes into effect, there shall be a Hearing on the matter 
of Proposal Bribery.  The valid responses 
will be "Fix Bribes" and "Can Bribes".

If the verdict of the Hearing is "Fix Bribes", then Rule 793 ("Proposal 
Bribery") shall be amended by changing 

     B. Bribes may only cause the transfer of tradeable entities from the
     author of the proposal to players who voted YES on the proposal; a
     Bribe need not specify that the entities come from the author of the
     proposal, since it is assumed.

to

     B. Bribes may only cause the transfer of tradeable or gift entities 
     from the author of the proposal to players who voted YES on the 
     proposal; a Bribe need not specify that the entities come from the 
     author of the proposal, since it is assumed.

[This is a semi-necessary fix if we plan to keep Bribery around.]

If, on the other hand, the verdict is "Can Bribes", then Rule 793
("Proposal Bribery") shall be amended by removing the header "IV. Bribes" 
and everything that follows it, and by removing the sentence
"This section defers to section IV of this rule." from section I;
and lastly, Rule 793's title shall be changed to
"Fair Voting and Voting Actions".

}}

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 08:38:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official Gaffe

Voters:

	Please treat "Inside Outside" as Proposal 1609.
	Please treat "What May Have Towers" as Proposal 1610.

snowgod has my humblest apologies for the chaos that will most probably
ensue from my mistake.  :o(

Note that Proposal 1610 is a Null Proposal and should be retracted. The
best thing to do when a serious mistake is discovered in a proposal is to
retract the proposal and re-submit it.  Submitting a new proposal to fix
mistakes introduced by the old one is only appropriate if it's too late to
retract. 

- --Mohammed

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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 09:42:00 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official Gaffe

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> Voters:
> 
>         Please treat "Inside Outside" as Proposal 1609.
>         Please treat "What May Have Towers" as Proposal 1610.

Is there a proposal 1608?

Malenkai

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:57:17 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  Proposal 1605

On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Jason Orendorff wrote:

> Proposal 1605
> What may have Towers
> Jammer  (AKA John-Martin Lotz)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> Proposal 1600 be changed from

I think this would have no effect. The voting period for proposal 1600
will be over before the voting period for this proposal, and its effects
would already have taken place.  It wouldn't even exist anymore.
The proper way to fix a proposal is to retract it and resubmit it  in
corrected form.
Anyway, this does not seem to be a valid proposal to me.

Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> Proposal 1600
> Elbow room
> Jammer
> > 
> > This is a modest propsal.
> > 
> > A full Kaa of land is needed to build a space in a structure.
> > 
> > Any structure may have additional things built on to it, including
> > towers.
> 
> to become
> > 
> > Proposal 1600
> > Elbow room
> > Jammer
> > 
> > This is a modest propsal.
> > 
> > A full Kaa of land is needed to build a space in a structure.
> > 
> > Only structures legally able to have tower on them may have towers
> attached to it.
> 
> by deleting 
> 
> Any structure may have additional things built on to it, including
> towers
> 
> 
> and replacing it with
> 
> Only structures legally able to have tower on them may have towers
> attached to it
> 

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:00:54 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Malenkai- snowgod Limerick Duel

On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > Malenkai posted eir Limerick first, and therefore  wins the Duel.
> 
> Certainly I have satisified the conditions for finding the Chalice in
> the Palace by now :)

I'm afraid not.

I will reveal a condition everytime I lose a Duel. Until there are no more
conditions to be revealed.

Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> Also, don't forget the score changes as a result of the duel.
> 
> Malenkai
> 

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