Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #428
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest      Saturday, December 28 1996      Volume 01 : Number 428

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:26:16 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ghost (Techno) 

>> The current Ghost word is q.

I play: qa

snowgod

>
>The turn order is:
>
>Robert Sevin
>snowgod
>Techno
>Jammer
>breadbox
>Lestrade

[I'm reposting this with a different subject line just to be on the safe side]

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:34:24 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost

On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> G. Peefalt wrote:
> > 
> > If it isn't too late I would like t join. I was travelling 
> > cross-country for the past 5 days.
> 
> Unfortunately, the game has already started.  I wonder if there is
> a way to add you to the end of the list.  GamesMaster?
> 
> Malenkai
>
R1206 specifies that players may not join a game in progress except as
specified in its rules. Ghost does not make for such a provision. 
I'm araid this can't be done. Sorry.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:37:06 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1564 Passes 

     My proposal calls for the deletion of a paragraph from R797 the
     Festival of Torkola, and the replacement of the deletion by a new
     rule, which I have titled Days of Meditation.

     Delete from R 797 paragraph 5c which states:

     5c) Upon rejection of 3 consecutive proposals due to Quorum not
     being met, a Festival of 5 days will automatically start on the
     day following the public distribution of the voting results of the
     third rejection. Any rejections which occur during a Festival or
     before the known start date of one shall not count. e.g, if 6
     proposals are rejected on a Saturday, the first 3 are sufficient
     to start a festival on Sunday, and the other rejections shall be
     ignored.

     The text of the new rule is between the symbols &&&&&

     &&&&&
     This rule defines the Days of Meditation , a period of reflection
     and resolve on the part of Ackanomians to craft better rules for
     the enjoyment of all.

     1) Upon rejection of 3 consecutive proposals due to Quorum not
     being met, the Tabulator shall inform the President that a
     situation exists for calling Days of Meditation. The President
     will then declare that it is necessary for Days of Meditation.
     This will be a 5 day period beginning 24 hours after the
     President's posted declaration as determined by the President's
     time zone.

     2) During Days of Meditation it is illegal for anyone to
     distribute a proposal for voting. This clause takes precedence
     over any mutable rule which would require anyone to do so. This
     specifically applies to proposals only.

     3) If there are more than three consecutive proposals that fail
     due to lack of Quorum, only the first three will be used to invoke
     this rule. Any remainder, between the initial occurence of the
     conditions and the end of the Days of Meditation, shall be
     ignored.
     &&&&&

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:41:22 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1566 Fails 

snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
6 YES votes - 5 NO votes - 2 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1566 - Sun 15 Dec 18:00 CST 1996
State Sponsored Newspaper
snowgod (Phil Ackley)

snowgod loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Lestrade
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Robert Sevin                 Harf
Malenkai                     Harf
Tammany

NO Votes:
- --------
AirHead                      Harf
Habeous Corpus
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Mohammed
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

ThinMan                      Vulcan
breadbox

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:39:49 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1565 Fails 

snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
7 YES votes - 4 NO votes - 2 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1565 - Sun 15 Dec 18:00 CST 1996
Press Ombudsman
snowgod (Phil Ackley)

snowgod loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Lestrade
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
Robert Sevin                 Harf
Malenkai                     Harf
Tammany

NO Votes:
- --------
AirHead                      Harf
Habeous Corpus
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Mohammed

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

ThinMan                      Vulcan
breadbox

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:44:42 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1567 Fails 

snowgod -5, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
6 YES votes - 5 NO votes - 2 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1567 - Sun 15 Dec 18:00 CST 1996
Don't Eat the Potato
snowgod (Phil Ackley)

snowgod loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
AirHead                      Harf
Malenkai                     Harf
Tammany
Habeous Corpus

NO Votes:
- --------
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Mohammed
Lestrade

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

breadbox
Robert Sevin                 Harf

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:00:37 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1569 Fails 

Malenkai -5, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
1 YES votes - 11 NO votes - 1 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1569 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
Email Reform Targets the Promoter and Tabulator
23 Skidoo (David Fisher)

23 Skidoo loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

Habeous Corpus

NO Votes:
- --------
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
breadbox
Tammany
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
AirHead                      Harf
Malenkai                     Harf
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Lestrade
snowgod                      (None Yet)
Mohammed

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 22:49:27 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1568 Fails 

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
7 YES votes - 4 NO votes - 2 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1568 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
The Star
/dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis)

/dev/joe loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
AirHead                      Harf
Malenkai                     Harf
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Lestrade
Vulcan Unity Vote

NO Votes:
- --------
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Habeous Corpus
breadbox
Robert Sevin                 Harf

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Mohammed

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:01:03 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1570 Fails 

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
6 YES votes - 5 NO votes - 1 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS

Proposal 1570 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
Politeness Moon Reform
breadbox (Brian Raiter)

breadbox loses 7 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

Habeous Corpus
Lestrade
snowgod                      (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
AirHead                      Harf
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)

NO Votes:
- --------
breadbox
Malenkai                     Harf
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Mohammed

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:00:11 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1571 Passes 

snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
9 YES votes - 4 NO votes - 0 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES

Proposal 1571 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
Another Truly Deplorable Pun
snowgod (Phil Ackley)

snowgod gains 10 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

Habeous Corpus
Lestrade
snowgod                      (None Yet)
Tammany
AirHead                      Harf
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Malenkai                     Harf
Mohammed
Robert Sevin                 Harf

NO Votes:
- --------
breadbox
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

     When 2 or more Swingers are in the same location, they are
     specifically forbidden from discussing chess or bragging about
     their victories. This goes doubly so when said Swingers are in a
     hotel.

     Chess nuts boasting in an open foyer is a crime.

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:04:01 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ghost 

>R1206 specifies that players may not join a game in progress except as
>specified in its rules. Ghost does not make for such a provision.
>I'm araid this can't be done. Sorry.
>
>Niccolo Flychuck

This is the second time this has come up.  Perhaps we ough to add an
amendment that says that a player can join a game in progress with the
unanimous cponsent of the other players so long unless the game's rules
specifically forbid it.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:06:32 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Internomic Trade (Liaison, please read)

On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> > Our Officers will still track it, so there's no added risk to the
> > object as far as thepossibility of its being "lost" or "stolen".
> 
> I still disagree here.  I do not want to track stuff in another nomic.
> I want to track everything in our nomic.
> 
> >         My question "What's the use in..." (quoted above) went unanswered.
> 
> The use isthat its nice to know where everything is.  Perhaps I should
> stop tracking everything that I track, and you shall see... :)

I tend to agree with Malenkai here, that the nomic where the player who
owns the object resides should track the object.

It does leave an open question though, what about stuff owned by players
of more than one nomic, do they have to give it to themselves. That's
another bit of state controlled ownership.

> > 
> >         I just realized Ackadollars shouldn't be Exported anyway.  The
> > rules say there are 75000 of them at a time, period, so the ruleset is
> > unable to "forget" them while another nomic tracks them.  :oP (However, if
> > we continue to track them, there's no such problem.)
> >         Hmm.  Anything that is manipulated or reset by our end-of-cycle
> > process can't really be Exported, not safely, right?  Because it's going
> > to be immune to our rules while it's out there.
> 
> As it should be.  I would like to change R 505 to be 75,000 less any
> Trinkets created or A$ exported anyway.  I think it would be fun to
> collect the coins of alien nomics.  I do it in RL.

I like this.
> 
> > > It makes no sense to track things once they leave our borders.
> >         *grin*  You're being awfully stubborn about this.  It makes sense
> > for at least three reasons:
> > 
> >         1) the extreme speed, comparedto I/E
> 
> Speed gained, but value lost.
> 
> >         2) rule-defined entities can be transferred without fear of their
> > leaving our jurisdiction
> 
> I am not afraid of that.  *That* sounds fun.
> 
> >         3) It allows players of other nomics to use our Gadgets to "play"
> > Ackanomic on a limited scale.  Am I the only one who thinks that's neat?
> 
> I think my idea is neater :)  I think it is an asthetic thing.  A
> Frobnotzer should work on Agora's ruleset if its in Agora, and not on
> Acka's.  We may have to agree to disagree on this one, and put it to a
> vote.

I'd just like to point out that my very long post about nomic name spaces,
under the same subject line as this one, addresses both your points, and,
IMO has the strengths of both your solutions. Perhaps you could read it
and comment on it. It's a concept that may prove to be very useful.

I feel that objects should retain their Internomic name whoever owns them. 
This does not directly address the concept of the customs form, it can
rather co-exist with it.

> 
> [about an object we export crashing another nomic because of the way
> its 'blueprint' meshes with their rules]
> 
> >         The way I see it, we can't crash them because they're not paying
> > attention to our rules.  So regardless of whether we give them a choice
> > in the matter, they really have nothing to fear from our objects.
> 
> Ah, but I think you miss another opportunity for interesting Internomic
> gameplay with that sentiment.  What about nomic war and the possibility
> of Trojan horses.  My scheme would make these game elements possible,
> but empower the skillful target nomic to avoid them.  We could have spies
> looking at their ruleset and then design the Trojan horse trinket. I'm
> not saying I personally *want* to do this, but the gamespace opened up
> here, that you seem to wish to close, is dizzying with possibility.  I'm
> actually getting excited thinking about it.  How about a nomic rules
> virus!  There is talk on the nomic bulletin board about a nomic war
> scheme, I believe I/E could dovetail or evolve into such.

This sounds like getting a bit to complex. I believe we should start with
something simple that can't causeany harm, and can allow us to Import
things.
I believe that the concept of name spaces can be used for that. It's safe
and extensible.

They are also quite intuitive to use. If I were to tell someone to ask
Malenkai about something, I might write :'perhpas you can ask the
Ackanomic Speaker.'

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:07:04 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1572 Passes 

snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
9 YES votes - 1 NO votes - 3 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES

Proposal 1572 - Sun 15 Dec 18:02 CST 1996
Hubert's Legacy
Malenkai (Randy Hall)

Malenkai gains 5 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

Lestrade
snowgod                      (None Yet)
AirHead                      Harf
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Malenkai                     Harf
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Vulcan Unity Vote

NO Votes:
- --------
Mohammed

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf
breadbox
Habeous Corpus

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

     This is a Modest proposal.

     Amend R 901, "No E-mail, No Game", to place the following text at
     the end of the final paragraph:

     Such corrections may be applied retroactively, provided they are
     announced within 3 days of the post or posts to which they are
     being applied. Moreover, it is a privilege of the Postmaster to
     post such corrections with respect to other players' posts, if he
     can factually determine the relavent information.

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:14:31 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1573 Passes 

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
7 YES votes - 2 NO votes - 4 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES

Proposal 1573 - Sun 16 Dec 18:02 CST 1996
Make the NAP Count
Niccolo Flychuck (Uri Bruck)

Niccolo Flychuck gains 5 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
AirHead                      Harf
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Vulcan Unity Vote

NO Votes:
- --------
Mohammed
Malenkai                     Harf

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf
breadbox
Habeous Corpus
Lestrade

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

    This is a Modest Proposal.

     Add to R985.2 section 2 H (ii) (a) the following text:
     "
     With the exception of the NAP Swinger Office. When the NAP Swinger
     Office is Warm, and there are on-board pieces that belong to that
     Office, the Chess-Umpire anounces a public NAP turn. During a
     public NAP turn any non-aligned player who is not a Swinger may
     suggest a play for the NAP Swinger, by posting it in a public
     forum. If at least two additional non-aligned players who are not
     Swingers support that play, and there are more such players who
     support this play than any other suggested play, before the turn
     deadline then the Chess-Umpire considers it to be the play of the
     NAP Swinger, the player who suggested the play receives 2
     Swingpoints, and that Round is not counted as a Round in which the
     NAP Swinger's Office was Warm. If no play is suggested within two
     days of the begining of the public NAP turn, then the NAP is
     considered to have Passed by Default. If a play has been suggested
     within two days of the begining of the public NAP turn then the
     turn deadline is set to four days after the begining of a public
     NAP turn. If no suggested play is accepted by the turn deadline
     then the Nap turn is considered to be a default Pass.

     {{The NAP Swinger Office is hereby no longer Warm}}
     "

     {{[What this does, is it allows non-aligned players to
     sporadically play instead of the NAP Swinger and keep the Office
     sort of 'alive' for sometime. The time intervals are short, but
     then nothing really happens here as a surprise, and if no suggests
     plays, then it doesn't hold up PartyChess unnecessarily. More than
     that, this increases participation and involvement in
     PartyChess]}}

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:14:16 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1574 Passes 

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
10 YES votes - 0 NO votes - 3 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES

Proposal 1574 - Sun 15 Dec 18:03 CST 1996
Pyraic Practically Paradox
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

Niccolo Flychuck gains 5 points:

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Vulcan Unity Vote
Habeous Corpus
Lestrade
Mohammed
Malenkai                     Harf

NO Votes:
- --------
NONE

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf
breadbox
AirHead                      Harf

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

     This is a Modest proposal. Create a new rule reading:

     {{Add the words, "and the two noun phrases do not share the same
     occurrence of the same word," after the words, "both plural or
     both singular," in the last paragraph of the blueprint for the
     Pyraic Frobnotzer.}}

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:16:08 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1572 Passes 

>snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe
>
>Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
>9 YES votes - 1 NO votes - 3 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES
>
>Proposal 1572 - Sun 15 Dec 18:02 CST 1996
>Hubert's Legacy
>Malenkai (Randy Hall)

Please note that the financial statement above is a mistake. Tammany was
not bribed on this proposal.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:19:16 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P1575 Passes 

Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
10 YES votes - 1 NO votes - 2 PRESENT votes - Proposal PASSES

Proposal 1575 - Sun 15 Dec 18:03 CST 1996
No Bad One-Liners
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

Guy Fawkes gains 10 points:

[I do not believe this proposal to be modest]

YES Votes:
- ---------

snowgod                      (None Yet)
Guy Fawkes                   (None Yet)
Niccolo Flychuck             Vulcan
ThinMan                      Vulcan
/dev/joe                     Vulcan
Vulcan Unity Vote
breadbox
AirHead                      Harf
Lestrade
Mohammed

NO Votes:
- --------
Malenkai                     Harf

PRESENT Votes:
- -------------

Robert Sevin                 Harf
Habeous Corpus

Abstentions:
- -----------

23 Skidoo
Bascule
Clairence
Techno                       Harf
mr cwm                       (None Yet) (vacationing)
Calvin N Hobbes              Harf
fnord
Jammer
Swann

New Players Who Are Not Yet Active:
- ----------------------------------
BuzzBee
G. Peefalt

[Am I forgeting anyone?]

Text of Passed Proposal:
- -----------------------

     This is a Modest, not to mention Ironic, proposal.

     Replace the words "five lines" found in the sixth paragraph of
     Rule 207 "Scoring when a Proposals Voting Results are Reported"
     with, "five lines, none of which contains more than 80 characters,
     including space characters,".

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:06:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fictionary Vote

> 'ing' word zebub:
> 
> 2. A garment worn by women in Eastern Africa.

I shall vote for #2.

breadbox
Bluffer

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:09:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction results

> All the economic discussion reminded me that the auction for
> the 'whatever it is we're auctioning today' is over.  (Mohammed is
> actually the auctioneer, but it doesn't really matter).
> 
> In any case, the high bid was breadbox at A$15.

In case it needs to be mentioned, I want to make sure the Financier
has noted:

breadbox: -15 auction purchase

I will be placing the whatever it is we're auctioning today on the
mantelpiece in my home, so that it will be visible through the living
room window to passers-by.

b

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 08:19:37 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1570 Fails

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
> 6 YES votes - 5 NO votes - 1 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS
> 
> Proposal 1570 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
> Politeness Moon Reform

> NO Votes:
> --------
> breadbox
> Malenkai                     Harf

In case it matters, I actually voted Present on this proposal.  I cc: 
myself on all votes, so I can send you the e-mail if you need it as
well.  It is rare to see the author vote no on their own proposal as
well, perhaps this should be recounted.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 07:24:08 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Renaming my house & Building a Tower

Steven A. Swiniarski wrote:
> 
> I've decided to improve the rather drab public housing I was awarded with
> by razing the site and rebuilding a 37 meter tower (A$111) my building is
> now "Swann's Singularity."
> 
> It consists of a circular array of thin superconducting rods enclosing a
> cylindrical space 37 meters tall and one kaa in diameter.  These rods are
> higly charged enough to contain the sphere of absolutle blackness that
> continiously travels up and down the axis of this space with no support other
> than the surrounding electromagnetic feild.  All space within my house
> is contained within this sphere (despite its apparent size, about a meter
> in diameter) and objects entering it appear to flatten and blueshift
> (or is that redshift?) before passing its surface.  (If you look closely
> at the surface with the right instruments you can see the near-invisible
> remnants of the light from everything that has ever entered.)  Exit is
> allways accompanied by an awsome arcing of electricity from the containment
> rods as they compensate the sphere for the lost mass/energy.
> 
> As the sphere moves up and down, light bends around it producing a
> visual rippling effect on the other side of the sphere from the observer,
> (as if the whole of Acka beyond was distorted into a series of ringss
> around the sphere) do not be alarmed by the effect, it is only an optical
> illusion:)
> 
> A immaculate little tree-lawn surrounds my new tower with tastfull little
> red signs warning, "Do not Climb: High Voltage."
> 
> Swann
> Swann -111 tower.  (Is this right?)

Clairence lives in an intresting place, caught between a singularity
tower and a lighthouse.

Lestrade

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 07:34:56 -0600
From: john duncan <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: I'm out of town

This doesn't really qualify as a vacation but I will be out of town the
rest of today, Friday, and most of tomorrow, Saturday.

Lestrade

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:01:01 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Super-User)
Subject: Acka: *ping* 

Today is Friday, the 27th day of December, in the Year of Our Lord 1996,
and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.
Since I have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 13 times.

Malenkai
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:37:55 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  FW: Acka: Proposal 1586 

G. Peefalt wrote:

>I appologize for the shoddiness of the proposal.... I am new to the
>game,
>and am learning the ropes (albeit painfully) of Ackanomic.  

Don't worry about it.  All the details take a while to learn, and not everyone
would agree with my assessment of your proposal.  Believe me, we have had all
sorts of sloppy proposals pass, some of which have caused many more problems
than yours is likely to cause if it passes.

Cheers,

ThinMan
On vacation, but with net access all the same

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 11:40:50 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  FW: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice 

>And note that it has a tendancy to not work to well :)
>
>snowgod
>wasting bandwidth in the face of a duel :)

You can say that again.  It's still cool, though.

ThinMan
First owner or the Purple Robe
recreational bandwidth waster

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:34:04 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1569 Fails

Phil Ackley wrote:

[...] Proposal FAILS
 
> Proposal 1569 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
> Email Reform Targets the Promoter and Tabulator

I'd personally like to thank acka for voting this
proposal down, perhaps some people might have voted
yes otherwise.  In any case it is appreciated.

While I'm thanking people, I'd just like to thank
acka for being cool and fun and being an interesting
diversion.

Malenkai
feeling sentimental around the [acka] new year :)

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:46:54 -0900
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1570 Fails 

>Phil Ackley wrote:
>>
>> Quorum achieved: 21 Eligible voters - 12 Players cast votes
>> 6 YES votes - 5 NO votes - 1 PRESENT votes - Proposal FAILS
>>
>> Proposal 1570 - Sun 15 Dec 18:01 CST 1996
>> Politeness Moon Reform
>
>> NO Votes:
>> --------
>> breadbox
>> Malenkai                     Harf
>
>In case it matters, I actually voted Present on this proposal.  I cc:
>myself on all votes, so I can send you the e-mail if you need it as
>well.  It is rare to see the author vote no on their own proposal as
>well, perhaps this should be recounted.
>
>Malenkai

You are correct, I transposed your vote and Robert Sevins.  The correct
results should be:

FOR:
- ----
Habeous Corpus
Lestrade
Guy Fawkes
'Niccolo Flychuck
AirHead

Against
- -------

ThinMan
Mohammed
Robert Sevin
/dev/joe
breadbox

Present
- -------
Malenkai

Breadbox did indeed vote against his own proposal.

snowgod

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 20:32:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Official Dictionary

> I am anouncing the begining of a game of ghost with Malenkai as the
> referee.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> GamesMaster

Before the game gets too far along, I'm announcing that (by some rule or
amendment that passed recently) the old official dictionary and the new
official dictionary are now both official (looks like qa is the ghost
word so far; should be interesting).

/dev/joe
Web-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:30:39 -0800
From: [email-masked] (John Martin Lotz)
Subject: Problems with my E mail

Earlier today I talked with my aunt and uncle who said that they
tried to email me and got a bounce saying blacksand.com didn't
have a box for me. . . Well, about ten minutes ago, I got a
large mass of emails.  If you have emailed me since Christmas evening
and had trouble, please retry,  I hope all is okay now ;-}

John-Martin Lotz

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