Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #367
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Ackanomic Digest      Thursday, November 28 1996      Volume 01 : Number 367

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:52:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Pinkerton

> Fine, but try to use something other than < and >, because I always
> have to replace those when I put stuff on the web page, since they
> are otherwise taken as HTML codes.
	Okay.  Hrm.  (I think P1090 in the proposal archive still has 
some angle brackets that weren't converted.  Not sure.  I remember it did 
last time I looked.)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:01:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Brinjal Retiring from game

> 1) I am nominating and casting a support vote for Brinjal for the Hall
> of Elders.  Brinjal brought us the Trombone, Parades, Modesty, and
> those wonderful Gaoler poems, has been around since the early days,
> had a Harfy outlook on the game, and has taught me to take the game
> less seriously.  He also has the best SwingScore at Party Chess, and
> always voted for my proposals :)

I am also giving my support for Brinjal for the Hall of
ELders. Ackanomic has lost a fine Gaoler.

b

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:29:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Pinkerton

> > > 	{{ <changes> }}
> > > 	upon <event> : { <changes> }
> > > 	whenever <event> : { <changes> }

> I would also feel better if all the triggers were completely enclosed
> in special characters (such as having the "upon <event> :" part also
> be inside the curly braces). The syntax should attempt to be as
> unambiguous as possible.
	The syntax is already pretty rigid, since a trigger is by 
definition "a paragraph or group of paragraphs..." which disallows 
throwing text in front of the "upon" or "whatever" so that it might look 
like it's in the middle of a sentence.

There are two possibilities for ambiguity as far as I can see-- both 
instremely unlikely:

(1)  Using a close-brace at the end of a paragraph:

	whenever someone posts "I dunno" in a public message : {
	Everything is covered in a thick layer of slime having depth
	1/MaxTowerHeight+{LiveCard(Slime)/sin(2*pi*DayNumber/365) }

	[                                          what's this?   ^    ]

	where DayNumber is the number of days since January 1 of this ear. 
	(On January 2, DayNumber is 1.) Also, everything is destroyed.
	}

(2) Using whenever or upon at the beginning of two different paragraphs:

	Whenever someone loses points due to the Tornado that happens

	upon the acceptance of a new State: { ...stuff does stuff... }

Note that neither case is really ambiguous; a judge can pretty much see
which interpretation makes sense and which leaves weird fragments lying
around.  It's only if you think of it as a programming language construct
that it seems ambiguous. 

Ambiguity type 1 wouldn't exist if the rule specified *which* close brace
is matched by the open brace (this was in the first draft, but I cut it to
save space-- boring stuff.  Should I put it back?)

Ambiguity type 2 could be eliminated with stricter rules.  Simply
requiring that everything up to the '{' be contained in the first
paragraph would do it.  (I'll change that now.  Certain punctuation 
should also be prohibited from the <event> area... hrm.)

- --Mohammed

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:30:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Hall of Elders Confirmation

	Brinjal's nomination has my support.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:34:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Pinkerton

> > I would also feel better if all the triggers were completely enclosed
> > in special characters (such as having the "upon <event> :" part also
> > be inside the curly braces). The syntax should attempt to be as
> > unambiguous as possible.
> 	The syntax is already pretty rigid, since a trigger is by 
> definition "a paragraph or group of paragraphs..." which disallows 
> throwing text in front of the "upon" or "whatever" so that it might look 
> like it's in the middle of a sentence.

I'm not arguing that the syntax isn't rigid. I just think that putting
the trigger inside the enclosing punctuation would add a lot to the
overall legibility.

b

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 01:50:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC Pinkerton

> I'm not arguing that the syntax isn't rigid. I just think that putting
> the trigger inside the enclosing punctuation would add a lot to the
> overall legibility.

Oh.  Okay.  It looks weird to me like that--
	{ upon emergency:  break glass }

because I'm used to C:
	upon (emergency) {
		break glass;
	}

but I'll change it right away.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:31:03 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Acka: Holiday? 

With so manty players being away for the Thanksgiving weekend, I feel it is
in the best interests of the game for me to call a holiday.  Unless there
are significant objections (how do our non-american players feel about
this?) tommorow at 22:00 alaska time I will call for a holiday with a
duration of three days beginning imediately.

Is this okay with everyone?

snowgod
who wishes to thank Malenkai for the suggestion

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 06:16:53 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official 

I hereby place myself on vacation, expected duration 5 days.  I decline judgement on any
CFJs which have been assigned to me.  I congratulate Guy Fawkes on his ghost victory, and
only wish that the game might have proceded along a more normal route without people dropping
out or being removed for outside reasons.

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 05:26:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official

> I hereby place myself on vacation, expected duration 5 days.  I
> decline judgement on any CFJs which have been assigned to me.  I
> congratulate Guy Fawkes on his ghost victory, and only wish that the
> game might have proceded along a more normal route without people
> dropping out or being removed for outside reasons.

So ... since that last game was rather brief, would /dev/joe be
willing to referee a new game of ghost? (Starting after the official
holiday, of course.)

b

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:34:01 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday?

Acting Tabulator wrote:
 
> With so manty players being away for the Thanksgiving weekend, I feel it is
> in the best interests of the game for me to call a holiday.  Unless there
> are significant objections (how do our non-american players feel about
> this?) tommorow at 22:00 alaska time I will call for a holiday with a
> duration of three days beginning imediately.

That is to say that the Holiday will start Thu 11/28 02:00 acka time,
or is that Fri 11/29 02:00 acka time, or am I completely off base?

Malenkai
zoned

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:38:00 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official

Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> > I hereby place myself on vacation, expected duration 5 days.  I
> > decline judgement on any CFJs which have been assigned to me.  I
> > congratulate Guy Fawkes on his ghost victory, and only wish that the
> > game might have proceded along a more normal route without people
> > dropping out or being removed for outside reasons.
> 
> So ... since that last game was rather brief, would /dev/joe be
> willing to referee a new game of ghost? (Starting after the official
> holiday, of course.)
> 
> b

I will be willing to ref it to give /dev/joe a chance to play.  I would
also like to start a game of Fictionary after the holiday if at least 4
other players want to as well.

As for dropping out in my case, I feel it was legitimate inasmuch as I
had to bluff, given the circumstances, yet did not know a word.  As for
the way the game played out, the Ghost word should have been eliminated
when snowgod resigned.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:39:21 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Whamiol

Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Malenkai wrote:
> 
> > Time is running short!  Only A$125 will get you your very own Whamiol.
> > Don't be left out when we start recruiting new players.
> >
> > Malenkai
> 
> I offer A$90 (gonna be needing my money soon)

I ack this transaction.  Now Habeous can possibly get his Whamiol back ;)

Malenkai +90 -Whamiol
snowgod -90 +Whamiol

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:14:03 +0000
From: Matt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Brinjal Retiring from game

Malenkai wrote:
> 1) I am nominating and casting a support vote for Brinjal for the Hall
> of Elders.  Brinjal brought us the Trombone, Parades, Modesty, and
> those wonderful Gaoler poems, has been around since the early days,
> had a Harfy outlook on the game, and has taught me to take the game
> less seriously.  He also has the best SwingScore at Party Chess, and
> always voted for my proposals :)

I also support Brinjal's Hall of Elders nomination.

Bascule

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:39:53 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Hall of Elders Confirmation

I, too, support Brinjal for inclusion in the Hall of Elders.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:50:02 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 110

To:   Ackanomians
From: mr cwm

In the interest of having the Rules make sense, I submit the following as
CSR 110, with thanks to Malenkai.  I remind Players that two objections
within three days (or so, depending on the effects of the Holiday) will
prevent these cahnges form taking place. 

- --------

1) Amend R 1445 to append "}}" to the end of the rule.
[typo]

2) [typo]
     Amend R 595, "Gadgets" as follows, in the order specified:

     0) renumber the first section (vi) to section (iv)

     1) In section (iv), replace "the Inventor" with "a Scientist" and
     replace "The Inventor" with "A Scientist".

     2) In section (iv)(e), replace "succeeding Inventor" with
     "succeeding (or another) Scientist".

     3) In section (iv)(a) thru (iv)(e), replace all occurrances of the
     character string "Inventor" with the character string "Scientist".

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:51:31 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  Vacation

To:   Ackanomians
From: mr cwm

I hereby place myself on a vacation until December 2, yielding an expected
duration of 5 days.  I will weigh more when I return :) 

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:38:34 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Re: Acka: Official 

>I will be willing to ref it to give /dev/joe a chance to play.  I would
>also like to start a game of Fictionary after the holiday if at least 4
>other players want to as well.

I am willing to play either fictionary or ghost.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:38:31 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday? 

>Acting Tabulator wrote:
>
>> With so manty players being away for the Thanksgiving weekend, I feel it is
>> in the best interests of the game for me to call a holiday.  Unless there
>> are significant objections (how do our non-american players feel about
>> this?) tommorow at 22:00 alaska time I will call for a holiday with a
>> duration of three days beginning imediately.
>
>That is to say that the Holiday will start Thu 11/28 02:00 acka time,
>or is that Fri 11/29 02:00 acka time, or am I completely off base?
>
>Malenkai
>zoned

Oops, wghen I posted this I intended for it to begin on Wednesday, 11-27-96
at 02:00 acka time.

I will declare the holiday then if I recieve no significant abjections.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:37:19 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Go Fish Card Auction

I'm back home, not officialy back from Vacation yet, still have a few
hundred messages (not just from acka) to sort through.

Just to possibly clear this up.

The next lowest bid below HC's A$5 was snowgod's  A$2

Someone  figure this out.
Niccolo Flychuck

On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> > 
> > The Auction is over
> > The following players have the highest bids
> > 
> > Malenkai A$11
> > Guy Fawkes A$10
> > Habues Corpus A$5
> > 
> > Each one has purchased a Go Fish Card
> > Nov. 23  Malenkai -11      OCID 101
> > Nov. 23  Guy Fawkes -10    OCID 102
> > Nov. 23  Habeus Corpus  -5 OCID 103
> 
> All right, I'll admit I'm a bit mystified by that language added to
> section 5b) of R 1023 that there was so much discussion about.  It
> seems that the results are as follows:
> 
> Malenkai receives one for A$10.
> Guy Fawkes receives one for A$5.
> Habeous Corpus receives one for the next lower bid, which is not listed.
> 
> I know for a fact that snowgod bid A$2.  Had no one bid, it seems that
> HC would receive one for free!
> 
> In any case, I need the next lower bid reported, and need to know if
> I'm reading this rule right.
> 
> Malenkai
> Financier
> 

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:17:42 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Retiring from game - and Swingpoint effect

Tuesday was the day Swingpoints should have been given out. I see that the
acting Chess-Umpire did not do so, but it is only Wednesday, so he did not
violate Speed.

However, the effect of the destruction of all existing Swingpoint,  and
eir conversion into points does not depend upon the Chess-Umpire, so IMO,
Brinjal's 3 Swingpoints were destroyed and converted into 3 points for
Brinjal just before he resigned.
Anyway, it appears my Weight in PartyChess is slightly higher than I
calculated (which makes no difference, since it was highest anyway), and I
will be taking care of SwingPoint as soon as I de-cloak

Niccolo Flychuck
still in an advisory capacity

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Simon Clarke wrote:

> I think it was Arthur Dent in Hitchhikers Guide who said: "I seem to be 
> having terrible trouble with my lifestyle". I know how he felt.
> 
> I seem to be overcommitted in all directions and leisure time is just
> a distant dream at the moment.
> 
> I`ve beenwithout online connection for most of the last three weeks
> and when I have been able to get online I have had no time at all to
> attend to matters Acka. I have a vast backlog of Ackamail and no
> prospect of finding any time to catch up on it.
> 
> In the circumstances the only sensible thing to do is resign from the
> game. Maybe I will be able to rejoin at a later date. Acka is a fine
> game with some great people in it. I wish you all the best and hope to
> be in touch again sometime in the future.
> 
> Brinjal
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:27:06 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Hall of Elders Confirmation

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Acting Tabulator wrote:

> As Malenkai eloquently spoke:
> 
> >1) I am nominating and casting a support vote for Brinjal for the Hall
> >of Elders.  Brinjal brought us the Trombone, Parades, Modesty, and
> >those wonderful Gaoler poems, has been around since the early days,
> >had a Harfy outlook on the game, and has taught me to take the game
> >less seriously.  He also has the best SwingScore at Party Chess, and
> >always voted for my proposals :)
> 
> I am casting my support vote in favor of Brinjal's nomination to the hall
> of elders, and encourage eveyone to do the same.
> 
> snowgod

I would like to add my support as well (and comment that since Saturday
_I_ had the highest Weight, SwingScores went out with Party Gravity :)

Niccolo Flychuck

> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:31:15 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday?

Happy Thanksgiving  Everyone, and I'm all for this holiday, I just need to
know exactly when it starts, and when it ends.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Acting Tabulator wrote:

> >Acting Tabulator wrote:
> >
> >> With so manty players being away for the Thanksgiving weekend, I feel it is
> >> in the best interests of the game for me to call a holiday.  Unless there
> >> are significant objections (how do our non-american players feel about
> >> this?) tommorow at 22:00 alaska time I will call for a holiday with a
> >> duration of three days beginning imediately.
> >
> >That is to say that the Holiday will start Thu 11/28 02:00 acka time,
> >or is that Fri 11/29 02:00 acka time, or am I completely off base?
> >
> >Malenkai
> >zoned
> 
> Oops, wghen I posted this I intended for it to begin on Wednesday, 11-27-96
> at 02:00 acka time.
> 
> I will declare the holiday then if I recieve no significant abjections.
> 
> snowgod
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 00:42:24 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Back From Vacation

Hi everyone,

I am officially back from Vacation.
I'm still not clear on whether or not there is a Holiday right now (I'm
aware of thanksgiving, I mean an ackanomic holiday), and when it started.

Anyway, I'll be updating the things that need updating (PartyBoard being
one of them), and checking up on stuff that needs to be checked up.

It is my understanding that the NAP Swinger's Office is vacant now, and
the NAP Swinger's turn is about to default to a Pass either sometime
tomorrow, or after the Holiday, either wa I don't believe elections can be
conducted soon enough to do anything about this turn.

Niccolo Flychuck
Registrar
RuneMaker
GamesMaster
Chess-Umpire
Vulcan Swinger

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:22:06 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Holiday?

Acting Tabulator wrote:

> 
> Oops, wghen I posted this I intended for it to begin on Wednesday, 11-27-96
> at 02:00 acka time.
> 
> I will declare the holiday then if I recieve no significant abjections.

Well, its after that when this was posted, so it did not happen.

I would appreciate it if the Holiday could unambigiously be declared 
within the next 10 hours or so, so I can get all the game state info
under control before I leave.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:31:01 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Church

I am resigning as a Priest in the Church of the Markovian Dream.

I already have a cron job to do the *ping* truths which violates 
the company AUP, but a Rama-Dama-ding-dong prayer seemed to be 
pushing the limit :)

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:37:37 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1491

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1491 -- Tue 26 Nov 15:24 CST 1996
> Renting Bugs
> /dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis)

> {{[ The recent amendment of the rental rule has made it fall prey to the
> giant axe of rule 108, since it prevents a player renting an object from
> leaving the game, as this would cause him to no longer possess the entity. ]}}

I propose to give the giant axe to R 108 once and for all.  Stay tuned :)

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 01:49:24 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> I am resigning as a Priest in the Church of the Markovian Dream.
> 
> I already have a cron job to do the *ping* truths which violates 
> the company AUP, but a Rama-Dama-ding-dong prayer seemed to be 
> pushing the limit :)
> 
> Malenkai
>
I rather felt that this would the undoing of a Church :(

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:57:15 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church

Uri Bruck wrote:

> I rather felt that this would the undoing of a Church :(

I was resigning just as a priest, not from the church.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:11:59 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Machine

Upon placing the Machine that goes *ping* on its Pedestal, it began to
click, whirrrr, and spin.  Hypnotic melodies and strange tones filled
the room, and I fell into a deep sleep.  In my dreams, many Truths of
the Machine and the ancient ones were revealed to me, but I had only
the time to transcribe part of one:

IF AND ONLY IF today ******** ******** * **** ***** ** *** ***** ***
***** *** ******, THEN the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go *ping*. 

Malenkai
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:16:01 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Score error, and more side-effects

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> I missed a score change in {{ temporary text brackets }} in proposal 1444.
> This was one of the ones that passed before the end of the bond cycle, so
> the current and end-of-bond-cycle scores should be adjusted by subtracting
> 2 points from Malenkai's score and adding 2 points to Guy Fawkes's score.

This results in the following financial corrections, after all the
rounding.

guy +2 correction
malenkai -2 correction
snowgod -1 correction

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 19:56:35 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: bid

I bid A$227 for the Wizard seat

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:16:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Game State

I have updated what seems to be the game state on the current event
page @ http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackace.htm

and the speaker page @ http://www.itw.com/~malenkai/ackayp.htm

if you are interested.  Note that there are a couple offices/entities
up for grabs, if you are interested.  The times on the CE page assume 
a 3 day holiday to start soon.  If one does not occur, adjust accordingly,
but I'm sure one will.

Happy holiday! [even if it is not a holiday where you are, its an
Acka holiday :)]

Malenkai
c ya in a few days -- don't crash the game

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 17:49:10 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Acka: Holiday 

In accordance with R973/2 I am declaring an Ackanomic Holiday.  This
Holiday will last for 72 hours.  It begins now, November 27th, 1996 at
21:48 Ackanomic Time.

snowgod
president
doing something official for a change

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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 07:39:00 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > I rather felt that this would the undoing of a Church :(
> 
> I was resigning just as a priest, not from the church.
> 
> Malenkai
>
Yes, but a Church needs to have at least one Priest to exist. If a rule
encourages players to resign as Priests, an act, the legality of which
entirely depends on Church Policy, or the Church Founder, then my above
statements stands. The only one who can't resign as a Priest would be the
Founder, so as long as the Founder is a member of e has Founded, there is
no need to worry about running out of Priests.

Niccolo Flychuck

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