Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #365
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Ackanomic Digest      Tuesday, November 26 1996      Volume 01 : Number 365

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:15:42 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: MP (Brinjal)

Brinjal receives the magic potato this week.

Malenkai
OICoRT

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:32:57 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure 102 Found

The acceptance of P 1430 and the fact that Malenkai voted for it
satisifies the conditions, in my judgement, for T 102's map, which 
I reveal:

> The Onyx Lion shall be found by the first player to have a proposal
> accepted (and that Malenkai voted YES for)
> that defines another way to win a Game or Cycle of Acka.

Thus the Onyx Lion is given to Habeous Corpus and the map is destroyed.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:53:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Processing Chips

The following PC's were received based on revision 0 of R 1428,
assuming Mohammed's Malpractice interpretation:

Note that I am construing section 5 of R 1428 as follows:  The only
new Acka-Entity a Proposal can create is a Rule, despite the fact that
rules may create other Acka-Entities (this hurts on P 1444).

>      5. If the Proposal creates a new Acka-Entity, 1 additional PC
> is created and presented to the author of the Proposal. 

P 1442: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1444: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1448: +4 Robert Sevin (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
new Acka-Entity (R 1448) created)

Proposal 1450 reworded R 1428.  The following are based on revision 1
of R 1428:

P 1430: +4 Habeous Corpus (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
new rule with 1 or more Acka-Entities)
P 1431: +1 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1438: +3 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created)

Any errors, ommissions, different interpretations, let me know.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:05:14 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Processing Chips

Malenkai wrote:

I missed a PC:

P 1445: +3 Malenkai (new rule created, new Acka-Entity (R 1445) created.

Sorry for the ommission.

Malenkai
Financier

> The following PC's were received based on revision 0 of R 1428,
> assuming Mohammed's Malpractice interpretation:
> 
> Note that I am construing section 5 of R 1428 as follows:  The only
> new Acka-Entity a Proposal can create is a Rule, despite the fact that
> rules may create other Acka-Entities (this hurts on P 1444).
> 
> >      5. If the Proposal creates a new Acka-Entity, 1 additional PC
> > is created and presented to the author of the Proposal.
> 
> P 1442: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1444: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1448: +4 Robert Sevin (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
> new Acka-Entity (R 1448) created)

> Proposal 1450 reworded R 1428.  The following are based on revision 1
> of R 1428:
> 
> P 1430: +4 Habeous Corpus (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
> new rule with 1 or more Acka-Entities)
> P 1431: +1 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1438: +3 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created)
> 
> Any errors, ommissions, different interpretations, let me know.
> 
> Malenkai
> Financier

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:08:10 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1444 Passes

Acting Tabulator wrote:

> Proposal 1444 passes

>      B. Wizard
> 
>      The Office of Wizard has one seat. This office is Tradebable, and
>      is held by the player who possesses the seat, if any. When this
>      seat is vacant (and not buried), it is auctioned in a public
>      Auction, with a minimum bid of A$100.

I am initiating the auction for the Wizard seat.  It is public and the
auctioneer may bid (I guess the auctioneer doesn't do anything anymore
except start auctions).

The auction ends 3 days from the date of this post.

I also bid A$101.

Malenkai
Chief Cheese

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:16:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1438 Passes

Acting Tabulator wrote:

> Proposal 1438 - Sun 10 Nov 12:56 CST 1996
> Vault Divination
> Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

One interpretation of R 1430 would allow that this is a Vault Divination
proposal, so the owner of the Chartreuse Goose may do the R 1430 stuff,
assuming there is general consensus that this proposal qualifies.

From R 1430:

> Whenever the CV is Somewhwere Else, and there is an owner of the
> Chartruese Goose (Goose), any Player may submit a Proposal divining
> the conditions for finding the CV.

Of course, this did not exist when P 1438 was submitted, so it was
submitted under the auspices of other rules.  I suppose it still counts
as a vault divination proposal, though, but a counterargument exists,
possibly, but it is weak, IMO.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:22:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Processing Chips

Malenkai wrote:
> The following PC's were received based on revision 0 of R 1428,
> assuming Mohammed's Malpractice interpretation:
> 
> Note that I am construing section 5 of R 1428 as follows:  The only
> new Acka-Entity a Proposal can create is a Rule, despite the fact that
> rules may create other Acka-Entities (this hurts on P 1444).
> 
> >      5. If the Proposal creates a new Acka-Entity, 1 additional PC
> > is created and presented to the author of the Proposal. 
> 
> P 1442: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1444: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1448: +4 Robert Sevin (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
> new Acka-Entity (R 1448) created)
> 
> Proposal 1450 reworded R 1428.  The following are based on revision 1
> of R 1428:
> 
> P 1430: +4 Habeous Corpus (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
> new rule with 1 or more Acka-Entities)
> P 1431: +1 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted)
> P 1438: +3 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created)
> 
> Any errors, ommissions, different interpretations, let me know.

If you are treating P1430-1438 as being accepted while the revised R1428
was in effect, you should treat P1442-1448 the same way.  P1450 was
actually the first one sent out from this batch (due to snowgod's
backward-processing mailer) so it takes effect before these other ones.

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:20:12 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Stuff

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Mohammed wrote:
> >       I am building a second Pyraic Frobnotzer.  It'll be done in three
> > days.
>         This is done.  Let the auction begin!
>         Now, let's see, what should I build next...?

Since I am technically the auctioneer, does the auction end 3 days from
the date of Mohammed's post, or three days from the date of this one?

Mohammed, any opinions?  I believe since I am the auctioneer, even though
I don't do anything, it ends 3 days from the date of this post.

Malenkai
Chief Cheese

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:28:46 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Processing Chips

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> Malenkai wrote: [about PC's]

> If you are treating P1430-1438 as being accepted while the revised R1428
> was in effect, you should treat P1442-1448 the same way.  P1450 was
> actually the first one sent out from this batch (due to snowgod's
> backward-processing mailer) so it takes effect before these other ones.

Forgot about the backwards mailer. The revised list is:

P 1442: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1444: +1 Malenkai (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1445: +2 Malenkai (new non-self-deleting rule created (sorry about
missing the close }} again.  Perhaps the CSR officer could throw some
on the end for me :)
P 1448: +3 Robert Sevin (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created)

P 1430: +4 Habeous Corpus (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created,
new rule with 1 or more Acka-Entities)
P 1431: +1 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted)
P 1438: +3 Guy Fawkes (non-modest proposal accepted, new rule created)

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:03:45 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Financial

1) Bond yields per bond:

.78     Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall)
.24     Guy Fawkes           Ag  (Robert Shimmin)
.20     /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
.20     Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
.19     Mohammed             A   (Jason Orendorff)
.18     Robert Sevin         Nv  (Mitchell Harding)
.13     ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
.09     mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
.06     Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke)
.03     fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
.00     Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain)
.00     Bascule              Nv  (Matt Black)
.00     snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
- -.055   breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
- -.075   Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)

2) Dividends in A$ by holdings per player:

 0 Bascule
- -6 breadbox
 6 Brinjal
 0 Calvin
32 /dev/joe (20 + 10 + 1.3 = 31.3 = 32)
 4 fnord (2.97 + .09 - .055 = 3.005 = 4)
22 Guy (18 + 6 - 2.25 = 21.75 = 22)
 4 Habeous
63 Malenkai
16 Mohammed
 9 mr cwm (8.91 + .03 = 8.94 = 9)
- -4 Niccolo
18 Robert Sevin
11 snowgod (3.8 - 1.5 + 7.8 = 10.1 = 11)
20 ThinMan (11.7 + 7.8 = 19.5 = 20)

3) Time order (although undated) log of every transaction since last
bond cycle:

Log started Nov 11, at time of bond cycle

malenkai +6 ep p1409-1412

Nov. 12  niccolo -20 newpaper

Mohammed -104 trinkets

snowgod -10, Tammany Bribe p 1420

guy +4 ep p1419-1428
malenkai +2 ep p1419-1428

bascule -11 supreme court tardy on CFCJ 118 as of resignation

mr cwm -21 tardy CFCJ 118 verdict

malenkai -130 frobnotzer
mohammed +13 commission

snowgod -10 little lamb

malenkai -10 oztma
guy -5 otzma
habeous -2 otzma [needs to be verified]
niccolo +2 commission

guy -2 +1 gf otzma
niccolo -8 +1 fg otzma
malenkai +1 gf otzma auction

== [below here + bond yields still must be updated on entity page]

Malenkai -10 magic letter

snowgod -10, tammany bribe 1449

snowgod -10, tammany bribe 1448

Malenkai -5, tammany bribe 1444
snowgod -10, tammany bribe 1444

snowgod -10, tammany bribe 1435

malenkai +18 ep P 1429 - 1450
guy fawkes +6 ep P 1429 - 1450

Habeous +Onyx Lion

[to do, /dev/joe scholar, Malenkai gadget]

4) The entities page shall be updated as of midnight tonite with your
account balance.  As usual, let me know of any errors or ommissions.

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:14:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: more crime bill side-effects

I have gone back through the point log and shuffled the order of entries
there to match the order of the date on snowgod's mail, for the past 2 weeks
(the time in which errors in scoring can be retroactively fixed) but I don't
think the order of the *scoring* has any real effect.  This affected the
follwoing proposals: 1410-1412 (reverse order), 1418-1428 (reverse order),
1429-1450 (reverse order).

However, there are some other effects.  Looking at each batch:

1410: created rule amending 1206, 1243
1411: rejected
1412: amended 210, 390, 422, 666, 423, 609, 491
      repealed 587, 463, 485, 581, 866, 578, 971
      created rule renumbering 1365 to 713

There doesn't seem to be any interaction between this bunch.

1418: amended 1312
1419: amended 1356
1420: rejected
1421: amended 629, 414
1422: retracted
1423: rejected
1424: amended 491
1425: amended 1276
1426: amended 798
1427: created rule amending whamiol blueprint
1428: created rule "Processing Chips"

The amendment to R798 could have affected other proposals, but there were
no appropriate proposals in that batch.  The Processing Chips rule (original
version) may have triggered on some of props 1418-1427, however.

P1429-1450: I haven't applied these to the rule set yet, but I will do
so in reverse order.  The amended P.Chips rule affects P1429-1449 as
appropriate.

I also note that CSR 109 was accepted before these proposals 1429-1450.

/dev/joe

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:22:04 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: more crime bill side-effects

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> However, there are some other effects.  Looking at each batch:

> 1418: amended 1312
> 1419: amended 1356
> 1420: rejected
> 1421: amended 629, 414
> 1422: retracted
> 1423: rejected
> 1424: amended 491
> 1425: amended 1276
> 1426: amended 798
> 1427: created rule amending whamiol blueprint
> 1428: created rule "Processing Chips"

> The Processing Chips rule (original
> version) may have triggered on some of props 1418-1427, however. 
I detect only the following effect, based on the language of R 1428/0:

P 1427 +3PC /dev/joe (new rule, new entity (R 1427))

Malenkai
Financier

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 20:30:55 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: If Proposal 1436 was accepted

Proposal 1450 created a rule with the following text:

{{
        If Proposal 1436 [sic] was not accepted, remove all occurrances
of the string "non-Null, " from R 1428.
}}

At the time this took effect, P1436's results had not yet been released,
so it had not yet been accepted.  Thus, I believe the effect happens,
deleting the "non-Null" stuff from R1428, although P1436 was later
accepted.

/dev/joe
Not intentionally trying to make Malenkai CFCJ snowgod for Malpractice

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:43:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: If Proposal 1436 was accepted

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1450 created a rule with the following text:
> 
> {{
>         If Proposal 1436 [sic] was not accepted, remove all occurrances
> of the string "non-Null, " from R 1428.
> }}
> 
> At the time this took effect, P1436's results had not yet been released,
> so it had not yet been accepted.  Thus, I believe the effect happens,
> deleting the "non-Null" stuff from R1428, although P1436 was later
> accepted.

I thought of this, but forgot to post it :(.  I guess its no big deal,
since the important part of Null Proposals failed (Conditional
Rule Changes).  [I'm not sure why it failed, that is another matter...]

Perhaps the CSR can add it back in :)

Also, will not R 1438 repeal itself as well.  I did screw up on that
one...
 
> /dev/joe
> Not intentionally trying to make Malenkai CFCJ snowgod for Malpractice

I thought of this too... but don't have time to do it :o).  As I will be
away over the holday as well, and similarily will not go on vacation
(it looks like the game is going to basically hibernate for a few days),
I didn't want to have something fester in the justice system.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:02:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A terrible abuse of power

We can iron out the whole order thing with a creative CSR.

Change a mutable rule to include the self-deleting text to suspend the 
ban on retroactivity, state that the rules in question were applied in 
numerical order, and then "permanently" add a provision to prevent this 
sort of thing from happening again.

Guy Fawkes 

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:11:33 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: A terrible abuse of power

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> We can iron out the whole order thing with a creative CSR.
> 
> Change a mutable rule to include the self-deleting text to suspend the
> ban on retroactivity, state that the rules in question were applied in
> numerical order, and then "permanently" add a provision to prevent this
> sort of thing from happening again.

I like the sentiment, but I believe /dev/joe and I have already done most
of the work with this the other way already (so we would have to undo
and redo).

The fix, if anyone wants to throw it on there, is:

Amend R 713 to add the following: "Malpractice is impermissable".

I will not submit it as I haven't the time to verify that it is the
correct fix or the fix we want.  The specific fix, which I'm sure will
work, but I do not like specific fixes, is, to amend R 414 to make sure
it happens the way it used to (ie, distributed in the right order).

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 19:54:39 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Machine Gadget determination

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# 2) Scroll of Crumble
# 3) Blue Thing
# 4) Whamiol
# 5) Vending Machine
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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:06:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Machine Gadget determination

> # I am using the dice server to determine my Gadget from the machine
> # based on the following (using a 5 sided die):
> # 1) Electronic Potato
> # 2) Scroll of Crumble
> # 3) Blue Thing
> # 4) Whamiol
> # 5) Vending Machine
> # Malenkai
> 
>       4

The Creator must be inordinately fond of Whamiols.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:00:48 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Machine Gadget determination

Dice server wrote:

> # 4) Whamiol

Anyone wish to buy a Whamiol?  The last one sold for about A$357 or so.
The first person to offer me A$125 gets it.  This offer shall stand
until Wednesday, midnight.

Malenkai

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:23:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Score error, and more side-effects

I missed a score change in {{ temporary text brackets }} in proposal 1444.
This was one of the ones that passed before the end of the bond cycle, so
the current and end-of-bond-cycle scores should be adjusted by subtracting
2 points from Malenkai's score and adding 2 points to Guy Fawkes's score.

Also, rule 1438, which specified the location of the gumball, repealed
itself because rule 1430 did not exist when 1438 first went into effect.

I think this is the last side-effect of the backwards proposal results
release.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:31:30 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pedestal of *ping*

I am creating a Trinket called the Pedestal of *ping* (value A$50).

The Pedestal of *ping* is marble with veins of jade and onyx running
through it.  It was crafted by the creators of the Machine that goes
*ping* as a stand for the Machine, which rests perfectly on it, and
looks quite charming when so placed.  Additionally, the Pedestal
vibrates when the Machine placed on it goes *ping*, producing a very
pleasant play of tones.  It is said these tones actually speak, if you
listen carefully to them.

No respectful Scholar would leave the Machine on the floor or in some
dank corner while they are studying it, with such a beautiful and
practical stand available.  Tradition also has it that the Pedestal
accompanies the Machine on its travels; that it is given to each
successive Scholar by the previous one.

- --

I am placing my newly acquired Machine that goes *ping* on its stand,
for further observation.

Malenkai

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