Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #326
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Ackanomic Digest      Saturday, November 2 1996      Volume 01 : Number 326

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:35:05 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Party Chess Colors

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Acting Tabulator wrote:

> I checked out the Party Chess pages in preperation for my move, and I think
> that the color concept is a good one.  However, I have a hard time seing
> the colors for the FUN party, and my party, (None Yet).  Perhaps is a
> faintly contrasting background color was used?  Sorry to complain, it's
> just that I'm colorblind.  I have a hard time with any set of colors with
> the same hue, however greens are especially bad for me.  I hardly ever
> actually see green :)
> 
> snowgod

I did not specify a background, and that is perhaps part of the problem. 
Eventually I would need 7 colors. Even if the Capital Swinger ammendment
fails, I intend to propose a limit on the numnber of on-board Swingers.

I'll try some alternate coloring schemes over the next couple of days.
I'll post some URLs soon.

Generally, I dislike backgrounds which are too bright. So I'll probably
try a rather dark background.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 11:39:18 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> As you can see from my CFJ 318 reasoning, I don't agree
> with this position. 

That old strict-constructionalist, loose-constructionalist thing
again :)  I do see your point (unlike CFJ 315)

> It bothers me, too.  At least, paradox-win attempts based on
> such nitpicks bother me.  Loophole surfing is another matter
> as far as I'm concerned, but there hasn't been much of that
> lately.  Paradox wins based on sub-game rules bother me in
> a philosophical way, too, though they are perfectly legal under
> the current rules.

The type of paradox attempts we have been seeing lately don't seem very
Godelesque, Suberesque, or anything esque.  I long for the days of the
beauty of CFJ 222 and CFJ 227.  There should be a Commission d'Arts
for paradox CFJs.  I would vote for those 2, although we all know 222
had no leg to stand on :).  These are *real* paradox CFJs in the sense
that got me into nomic.  I like to think CFJ 184 is of that ilk as well,
but not as cool.

I generally wouldn't be backlashing so much, and don't really mind them,
it just seems these things should be spaced out a little more given the
current anti-R219 climate, so we don't lose R 219 altogether. That would
be a *real* tragedy.  I really liked the copycat paradox btw, even though
it was in a sub-game.  I guess it seems like a bad time for cheesy 
R 219 attempts, in a week, my mood may change.  Perhaps I'll submit one :)

> I actually like trying to write my proposals as airtight as possible,
> but that's just me.  If I had more time to play this game, then I
> would be doing more rule fixing.

I do to, I'm just not that good at it yet (but getting better).  The
interesting thing about playing alot of nomic and writing rules is that
it helps your real world writing somewhat.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:59:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Tower

Financier: Guy Fawkes -435, tower construction

I am adding a 145-meter Ostentatious Tower to Xanadu.  Its name is the 
Monument to Futility.

On each side of the door to the Monument to Futility is a large marble 
tablet bearing the legend, "This tower was erected by Guy Fawkes on the 
First of November in Year One of Ackanomic.  It serves as a memorial to 
all who have tried and failed to win by means of paradox, and as a 
reminder that these Calls for Judgement are not nuissances, but an 
integral part of our heritage.  All are free to enter the Monument, but 
do so with neither irritation nor anger, for the discourse engendered by 
these attempts has been well worth the efforts in having them judged."

The ground level entryway is a circular vaulted chamber, 10 meters high.  In 
its center is a large marble basin, from which rises a 15-foot sculpture 
of the Chartreuse Goose, cast in bronze and striking a very heroic pose.  
It is designed so that Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice might gush forth 
from its bill into the basin, making it a fountain.  Unfortunately, the 
legality making the necessary Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice cannot be 
determined with finality.

The complete text of rule 219 in engraved in the frieze encompassing the 
ceiling of the entrayway.  Evenly spaced around the circumference of this 
vault are life-sized statues of every player who has tried and failed to 
win by this Rule.  Currently, the images of Malenkai, The Great Old One, 
De'ghew, pTang1001001sos, this is not a name, ThinMan, /dev/joe, Bascule, 
Guy Fawkes, Idiot Boy, and Wayne are present.  Several additional 
pedestals have been left empty in the hope that future Ackanomians may 
someday fill them.

Doors at the four cardinal points of this chamber lead to four staircases 
which spiral around the outside of the tall spire which juts upward from 
the ground-level vault.  Stacked, one on top of the other, in this spire, 
is one 5-meter room for each failed paradox win attempt.  Each of these 
rooms contains a bronze tablet bearing the complete text of the failed 
paradox win.  Chairs are provdided so that visitors can comfortably sit 
and comtemplate the tablets.

At the peak of this spire is an item which appears to be, but is of 
course not, a Bronze Torch.  It is eternally lit, and engraved in it are 
the words, "Like this Torch, may Rule 219 burn eternally."

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:59:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

> Guy Fawkes's Reasoning:
> 
> In the miraculous event that this CFJ escapes the fate of the
> rest of Guy Fawkes' paradox win attempts and is judged TRUE, the initator
> claims a win under Rule 219.
> 
> >From Rule 792:"After the Witchhunt is over, a simple majority (50% or more) will
> determine whether or not the alleged Heretic has been burned."
> 
> This is a most odd way of defining a simple majority.  In a 50-50 split,
> two simple majorities exist -- one determining that he has been burned,
> and one determining that he has not been burned.

	That does it.  I'm reproposing Hearings, with the change Malenkai
asked for, and I genuinely hope it passes this time.  *frown*

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:03:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *ping* 

Today is Friday, the 1st day of November, in the Year of Our Lord
1996, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.  Since I
have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 14 times.

Guy Fawkes
Scholar of *ping*

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:08:52 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

Mohammed wrote:

>	That does it.  I'm reproposing Hearings, with the change Malenkai
>asked for, and I genuinely hope it passes this time.  *frown*

I voted for it before, and I'll vote for it again.  I almost wrote
you to request you do so.  Please note, however, that I
currently have a proposal in the queue to amend R 792, so
take that into consideration.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:12:56 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Party Chess Colors

There's one alternate color scheme on 
http://www.actcom.co.il/~bruck/PartyChess/index6.html

I"ll a couple more and post the URLs

Niccolo Flychuck

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Acting Tabulator wrote:
> 
> > I checked out the Party Chess pages in preperation for my move, and I think
> > that the color concept is a good one.  However, I have a hard time seing
> > the colors for the FUN party, and my party, (None Yet).  Perhaps is a
> > faintly contrasting background color was used?  Sorry to complain, it's
> > just that I'm colorblind.  I have a hard time with any set of colors with
> > the same hue, however greens are especially bad for me.  I hardly ever
> > actually see green :)
> > 
> > snowgod
> 
> I did not specify a background, and that is perhaps part of the problem. 
> Eventually I would need 7 colors. Even if the Capital Swinger ammendment
> fails, I intend to propose a limit on the numnber of on-board Swingers.
> 
> I'll try some alternate coloring schemes over the next couple of days.
> I'll post some URLs soon.
> 
> Generally, I dislike backgrounds which are too bright. So I'll probably
> try a rather dark background.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:10:56 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Tower

Guy Fawkes wrote:
 
> Financier: Guy Fawkes -435, tower construction

Please do not put the word "Financier".  I appreciate you doing this.
The preferred format is:

Guy Fawkes -435, tower construction

> reminder that these Calls for Judgement are not nuissances, but an
> integral part of our heritage.  All are free to enter the Monument, but
> do so with neither irritation nor anger, for the discourse engendered by
> these attempts has been well worth the efforts in having them judged."

I agree with this globally, but not locally.  They have been a nuisance
lately, but like I said, I have been having a bad spell.  On whole,
there has been much more positive come out of R 219 than negative,
and I expect that continue.  I guess my grumpyness is in part that I
thought of the Brass Monkey thing, and a very similar problem with the
witchhunt thing (and several others), and have just held off for reasons
previously stated.  Its very likely my problem locally.  I just need
a vacation.  Fortuantely, I will be leaving the country in a few weeks,
so even if I cannot find a way to have a vacation from the game now, I
will have one then, regardless :)
 
> At the peak of this spire is an item which appears to be, but is of
> course not, a Bronze Torch.  It is eternally lit, and engraved in it are
> the words, "Like this Torch, may Rule 219 burn eternally."

Yes.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:16:31 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

Bollinger, John C. wrote:
> 
> Mohammed wrote:
> 
> >       That does it.  I'm reproposing Hearings, with the change Malenkai
> >asked for, and I genuinely hope it passes this time.  *frown*
> 

Please keep the language of the different votes though.  I like that
sort of stuff, as long as it can be determined with finality :)

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:22:56 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Wanted to Buy

snowgod wrote:

>I would like to purchase all the common land in ackanomic.  I will pay
>A$250 for this land.  This deal will be accepted upon the aproval ofat
>least two senators. 

I don't quite agree with your reading of R 839.  The particular part
you refer to is: "All other land, with or without buildings on them,
that are not defined in the rules or owned by players will be called
common lands and under the control of the Financier. All deals to sell
or buy common land must be done with the approval of at least two
senators."

I read "under the control of the Financier" to mean that you must strike
the
deal with the Financier, but that it must also be approved by two
senators.  I will consider offers, but I warn you that all the common
land in Ackanomic
is worth a considerable sum.  Exactly how much?  Well, we can talk
terms....

ThinMan
Financier
Senator (seat Melvin)

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:24:38 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wanted to Buy

Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> I read "under the control of the Financier" to mean that you must strike
> the
> deal with the Financier, but that it must also be approved by two
> senators.  I will consider offers, but I warn you that all the common
> land in Ackanomic
> is worth a considerable sum.  Exactly how much?  Well, we can talk
> terms....

If you strike this deal, I'll *never* take that job off your hands :).
If I am appointed Financier, I am comitted to keeping common lands 
unowned for the enjoyment and development for and by all of acka.

In any case, a fair price would be at least A$60,000.

Malenkai
who has land development proposals in the queue, but cannot seem to 
finish them off

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:58:54 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Xanadu

I am asking permission of the owner of Xanadu to go to that
location.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:38:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Financier

> 1) salaries paid once a month.
> 2) bond yields paid once a month.
> 3) the tabulator logs electronic potato activity and posts that
> in the results with tammany (if he has a bot that could do it)
> 4) a transaction does not occur unless it is logged in the format
> the financier wants.
	I agree with all of the above.
	In a matter of weeks I'll be able to take over the financier's job 
but will only take it if (4) is made law.  It's absolutely necessary.  I 
have neither the time nor the patience to slog through transactions 
manually.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:41:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

> The type of paradox attempts we have been seeing lately don't seem very
> Godelesque, Suberesque, or anything esque.  I long for the days of the
> beauty of CFJ 222 and CFJ 227.
	*pout*  Although I didn't include arguments for it in my Reasoning, 
I thought that the arguments I presented later in favor of the CopyCat 
paradox were in fact very Godelesque.  

  There should be a Commission d'Arts
> for paradox CFJs.  I would vote for those 2, although we all know 222
> had no leg to stand on :).  These are *real* paradox CFJs in the sense
> that got me into nomic.  I like to think CFJ 184 is of that ilk as well,
> but not as cool.
> 
> I generally wouldn't be backlashing so much, and don't really mind them,
> it just seems these things should be spaced out a little more given the
> current anti-R219 climate, so we don't lose R 219 altogether. That would
> be a *real* tragedy.  I really liked the copycat paradox btw, even though
> it was in a sub-game.  I guess it seems like a bad time for cheesy 
> R 219 attempts, in a week, my mood may change.  Perhaps I'll submit one :)
> 
> > I actually like trying to write my proposals as airtight as possible,
> > but that's just me.  If I had more time to play this game, then I
> > would be doing more rule fixing.
> 
> I do to, I'm just not that good at it yet (but getting better).  The
> interesting thing about playing alot of nomic and writing rules is that
> it helps your real world writing somewhat.
> 
> Malenkai
> 

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:43:22 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

Jason Orendorff wrote:
> 
> > The type of paradox attempts we have been seeing lately don't seem very
> > Godelesque, Suberesque, or anything esque.  I long for the days of the
> > beauty of CFJ 222 and CFJ 227.
>         *pout*  Although I didn't include arguments for it in my Reasoning,
> I thought that the arguments I presented later in favor of the CopyCat
> paradox were in fact very Godelesque.

The arguments were Godelesque, but they really didn't support the paradox
claim, IMHO, which, as I have pointed out, I thought was cool in its
own right, and did not need the supporting arguments.

Malenkai
paradox CFJ critic

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:44:46 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prayer

This post is in accordance with R 1349 (or is at least a response to
it).

"spoken in tongues"
is this prayer of deliverance I have unintentionally, unconditionally,
and unharmoniously transcribed from the text of the ancients.

The ancients, in calculating the circumference of the earth, have
calculated pi for us to a whole lot of places, and generally thought
pi was the key to deliverence, among other things.  My own calculations
of pi have produced a slightly different value, but the ancients
were probably right.  Their litanies, in addition to pi, often mentioned
walruses and large marine life as well, but I did not see the need to
transcribe those prayers at this time.  Perhaps next month.

3.13 749 106 594 5 1 93 6 11 322 51 322 3 13 8 590 39 372 -20 647 -92
93 35 50 18 960 -15 554 34 964 3 4 4 524 12 1038 23 651 17 818 52 896 -3
5 15 5 21 5 18 57 -1 1 -21 16 26 14 -2 14 -1 651 17 770 28 208 3 458 83
340 146 254 42 254 61 254 0 254 66 254 26 254 -27 254 27 254 -25 254 29
254 11 428 5 102 24 1063 29 57 -1 109 34 30 -9 ...

I should conclude my prayer that it is possible that a trancription
error has been made, and, if you point such to my attention, I shall
gladly research my texts for you.

Despite my irascible nature lately, which I assure you is only temporary,
I love acka as a game and the people are great.

Malenkai
Priest of the Church of the Markovian Dream
Praying the prayers of the ancients

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:42:51 -0800 (PST)
From: fnord <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1392

Guy Fawkes spake thusly
> 
> Proposal 1392 -- Fri 1 Nov 9:31 CST 1996
> Rationalizing Auctions
> mr cwm (Eric Murray)
> 

Alright, color *me* confused.  Just what does this following section
mean?

> 
> Amend R1023 (Auction) to insert "If the Auction was Private, the Players
> who made the N highest qualified bids shall each recieve an item in
> exchange for the amount of A$ in the highest qualified bid(s) less than
> their own bid, or for the amount of the minimum bid if there was no such
> highest qualified bid(s) less than their own bid." after the second
> sentance of section 5b.

fnord

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:40:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CFJ 318 (ThinMan)

> >	That does it.  I'm reproposing Hearings, with the change Malenkai
> >asked for, and I genuinely hope it passes this time.  *frown*
> 
> I voted for it before, and I'll vote for it again.  I almost wrote
> you to request you do so.  Please note, however, that I
> currently have a proposal in the queue to amend R 792, so
> take that into consideration.
	I don't think they'll conflict.  My proposal nukes whatever your 
text will be.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:41:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1392

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, fnord wrote:

> Alright, color *me* confused.  Just what does this following section
> mean?
> 
> > 
> > Amend R1023 (Auction) to insert "If the Auction was Private, the Players
> > who made the N highest qualified bids shall each recieve an item in
> > exchange for the amount of A$ in the highest qualified bid(s) less than
> > their own bid, or for the amount of the minimum bid if there was no such
> > highest qualified bid(s) less than their own bid." after the second
> > sentance of section 5b.
> 
> fnord

I *think* it means that in a private auction, if only one item is being 
auctioned, and you bid A$50 and I bid A$75, I get the item for $A50.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:44:04 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Rental

snowgod wrote:

>I will rent one of Havbeous Corpus Whamiols for A$15 a week, so yes, I
>ack.  However, I suppose it is important that Habeous Corpus specify which
>whamiol he wishes to rent to me.  Unless he states otherwise, I shall
>assume it is his first Whamiol.

According to R1323, you guys have not got the rental formula
quite right.  You name a tradeable entity, a time period, and a
price.  What you have done is specify an item and a rate.  If
you both agree then I will accept this as a rental agreement
for one week, but then you'll have to do it all over again if you
want to continue renting next week.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:43:07 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1392

Sorry.  It's supposed to mean that each successful bidder pays not what
they bid, but what the bidder next less than them bid (or the minimum bid,
if there was no bidder next less).  So if there are two things up for
auction, and A bids 10, and B bids 8, and C bids 6, and the minimum bid
was 4, then A gets one for 8, and B gets one for 6.  If C made no bid, B
gets one for 4.

If it *actually* means something else, let me know.

- -mr cwm

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, fnord wrote:

>Guy Fawkes spake thusly
>> 
>> Proposal 1392 -- Fri 1 Nov 9:31 CST 1996
>> Rationalizing Auctions
>> mr cwm (Eric Murray)
>> 
>
>Alright, color *me* confused.  Just what does this following section
>mean?
>
>> 
>> Amend R1023 (Auction) to insert "If the Auction was Private, the Players
>> who made the N highest qualified bids shall each recieve an item in
>> exchange for the amount of A$ in the highest qualified bid(s) less than
>> their own bid, or for the amount of the minimum bid if there was no such
>> highest qualified bid(s) less than their own bid." after the second
>> sentance of section 5b.
>
>fnord
>
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:50:01 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Lamb

According to my records, Malenkai claimed the Little Lamb on Oct. 24.
It is
now Nov. 1, and I hereby claim the Little Lamb.  I note the A$ 10 fee.

Registrar, please note my trebled odds of receiving the Magic Potato
next
week.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 15:51:42 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Lamb

Bollinger, John C. wrote:
 
> I hereby claim the Little Lamb.  I note the A$ 10 fee.

Well phoo!  ThinMan has had that purple robe forever, and I seem to
have been disagreeing with his verdicts lately, so I will claim it
for A$122.  Its value is now A$137.

malenkai -122 purple robe
 
> Registrar, please note my trebled odds of receiving the Magic Potato

Its actually the speaker again.

Malenkai
who can make his judicial sig file even longer

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:00:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prayer of Deliverance

Just o'er horizon, from my desk,
The sky's cumulonimbusesque;
To forstall meteorology,
I now apply theology,
And cry unto th'empyrean sphere,
"Let not rain end our Acka dear;
Let always something hold us up,
Oh! Let us keep the suction cup!
Let us always donkeys wrangle,
Rue the day that we must dangle,
Let not this most inclement weather
Force us to the tenuous tether.
O Kai hrama tartha, hrama li
We end not precipitatively!
And if this prayer the language bend,
I plead forgiveness, God forfend."
 
Guy Fawkes

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:02:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: mail

My mail server crashed for a couple hours about noon or so -- during that 
time I built a Tower and announced a *ping*.  Did those two messages hit 
the public forum?

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:05:20 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: mail

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> My mail server crashed for a couple hours about noon or so -- during that
> time I built a Tower and announced a *ping*.  Did those two messages hit
> the public forum?

Yes, and I responded to the Tower.  Furthermore, I asked permission to
come to Xanadu to visit it.  Did you not get that message, or are
you just being non-neighborly :) ?

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:37:35 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Rental

Phil Ackley wrote:

> I will rent one of Havbeous Corpus Whamiols for A$15 a week, so yes, I
> ack.  However, I suppose it is important that Habeous Corpus specify which
> whamiol he wishes to rent to me.  Unless he states otherwise, I shall
> assume it is his first Whamiol.

What is the exact status and terms of this rental so I can update my
web pages?

Malenkai
preparing for the flood

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:19:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Let There Be Votes

> mr cwm wrote:
> > 
> > How about a "formats" page?  I must confess that I never sent Wayne a
> > proposal in the format he requested, but that was only because I could
> > never remember what that format was.

I put a formats page up on the main Ackanomic web page.  Send me all
your suggestions for the format you want stuff submitted in.

> No one has ever gotten it exactly right yet, although breadbox, ThinMan,
> and Wayne have come awfully close.  If, at the very least, you can
> submit them as:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> [your statement]
> 
> [your name's] Reasoning:
> 
> [reasoning]

Added.

> The reason I put the name of the initiator in the reasoning header,
> and make more work for the web-harfer, who changes it, is that when
> reading a long CFJ, it seems nice to have the initiators name there
> rather than the phrase "Initiator's Reasoning:".  This is especially
> true if there have been appeals, supreme court action, R 563 action,
> etc.  I like it right there, and its seems more personal and individual,
> and I have on my fingertips the actual person, and can associate better.
> 
> I will change it if the web-harfer wants me to, though.

No, the reason I change it back is because I use a template for the CFJ's
that looks like this:

<HR><P>

<B><A NAME="CFJ">Call For Judgement </A></B> - <BR>
Judgement:  <P>

<B>Statement:</B>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>

<B>Initiator's Comments:</B>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>

<B>Judge's Comments:</B>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>

And then I paste the three lines of header in before the "Judgement" line,
and the statement + reasoning in the appropriate blocks, and other stuff
when a judgement comes back.  Appeals mean I attach another template, and
futz with the header a bit.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:26:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping*

> Today is Friday, the 1st day of November, in the Year of Our Lord
> 1996, and the Machine That Goes *ping* Has Gone *ping* today.  Since I
> have been scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 14 times.

Could somebody please figure out the truth and stop this
incessant *ping*ing?!  ;-)

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:33:41 -0500 (EST)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1392

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Guy Fawkes wrote:
>
>I *think* it means that in a private auction, if only one item is being 
>auctioned, and you bid A$50 and I bid A$75, I get the item for $A50.
>

That's what I think it means, too, but more importantly, here's why it's
worth the effort:

If I'm willing to pay A$75 for something, but figure no one else would pay
more than A$20 for it, I'd probably bid only A$25, so as not to waste
A$50.  But if I'm wrong, and you think it's worth and bid A$50 for it, you
get it, even though it's worth more to me and I'd have gladly paid more
for it than you did, if I'd known.  This rule helps get entities into the
hands of those who value them most.

- -mr cwm

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:42:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: mail

> Yes, and I responded to the Tower.  Furthermore, I asked permission to
> come to Xanadu to visit it.  Did you not get that message, or are
> you just being non-neighborly :) ?
> 
> Malenkai

I never got that message, but you have permission to visit the tower anyway.

Guy Fawkes
possible builder of Acka's first major tourist attraction

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:02:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: RFC -- preemtive strikes

RFC
Preemptive Strike I
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

Create a new rule entitled "Divide Overflow" reading:

Ackan mathematics are identical to standard mathematics in all respects 
except as follows:

The indeterminate form 0/0 shall be considered to have a value of zero. 
{{[ e.g. If in one of Mohammed's "Hearing" thingies, no votes are cast, 0% of 
the votes were in favor. ]}} A selection of a member of the null set 
results in the null set. {{[ If no valid Gadgets exist to award the 
winner of the Machine game, he doesn't receive anything. ]}}

- ----

RFC
Preemptive strike II
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

Insert the following sentence as the next-to-last sentence of the first 
paragraph of Rule 491.

If an amendment to a rule does not unambiguously describe the amendment 
to take place, it is not a valid rule change.

{{[ I don't think the situation this is meant to prevent has ever 
happened, but if someone passed such a rule change, it could result in 
paradox.]}}

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 18:28:34 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: RFC -- preemtive strikes

Guy Fawkes wrote:
> 
> RFC
> Preemptive Strike I
> Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)
> 
> Create a new rule entitled "Divide Overflow" reading:
> 
> Ackan mathematics are identical to standard mathematics in all respects
> except as follows:
> 
> The indeterminate form 0/0 shall be considered to have a value of zero.

If you are going to do this, make 0^0 = 1 as well.  It always bothered
me that this is undefined.

Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:17:18 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Acka: Official: Internomic 

The following information has come across the wire:

Internomic Proposal 307 failed.  Ackanomic, Thring and Agora voted Against.

Internomic Proposal 308 failed.  Ackanomic voted FOR. Thring and Agora
voted Against.

Internomic Proposal 309 passed.  Ackanomic, Thring, and Agora vote FOR.
Ackanomic gains two points for the passage of this proposal.

The acceptance of P309 caused the voting period for P310 to end
Internomic Proposal 310 failed.  Ackanomic and Thring voted FOR.  Agora Against.

Imperial Nomic 14 abstained on all proposals.

Standings:
Agora, Thring and Imperial Nomic 14 have zero points
Ackanomic has 2 points.  Let's celebrate!

snowgod
liason to internomic
ambassador

Text of Internomic P309:
- ----------------------

Proposal 309 - Tue, 01 Oct 96 04:51 EDT
Proposed by Ackanomic
Decision:

Amend Rule 205, so that it reads:

The voting period for a proposal shall be two weeks, beginning at the time
the moderator distributes the proposal to all nomics. If at any time during
the second week all nomics have cast a vote, then the moderator may choose
to call an end to the voting period.

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 22:43:14 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Grab-a-Donkey

Round 8 of Grab-A-Donkey is beginning!  Don't get caught *admiring*
your donkey!  Get your moves in via private e-mail.  The current GAL
is below.

Round Ends Mon, November 04 1996, 21:15 EST or so

/dev/joe grabbed IdiotBoy's donkey, who covered
Guy Fawkes covered
Niccolo Flychuck and Calvin N Hobbes admired their donkeys.
Malenkai and ThinMan regulated each others donkeys :)

The GAL is unchanged.

Current GAL:
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Calvin N Hobbes (Thierry Joffrain) [[email-masked]]
/dev/joe (Joseph DeVincentis) [[email-masked]]
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin) [[email-masked]]
IdiotBoy (Matt Miller + 1 grab) [[email-masked]]
Niccolo Flychuck (Uri Bruck) [[email-masked]]

Malenkai
Wrangler

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:51:00 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Acting Tabulator)
Subject: Acka: Prayer Of Deliverance 

Oh, great gods of rules and weather
those who are exacerbatable, and those who are not
deliver us, from these terrible rains
Please don't make us use our teathers.

Oh, gods!  Listen when I say to you,
"Supercalifragilisticexpialodocious!"
and though Mary Popping disn't know it,
ur dlomb, ob stonate mawk eew!

For on this, the first of november,
do we ask you to deliver us from the evils of
developmentally hindering floods
for ever and ever, or at least till december

amen

snowgod
Priest

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