Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #300
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Friday, October 18 1996       Volume 01 : Number 300

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:54:03 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Portraits

I, snowgod, will donate one portrait to the Hall of Elders on behalf on 
Elder Wayne.  I have contacted him for his permission, and am awaiting a 
reply.

snowgod

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:00:29 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official

Fellow Ackanomians,

I realize the events of the past few days has caused quite a bit of shock 
and confusion lately.  I think it is time that we put it behind us, and 
continued on with the game.  Details relating to game functions have 
finally been settled, and though things will not run as smoothly as 
before (at least at first) they will run!

I am your new acting tabulator.  I hope to do at least one quarter as 
well as Elder Wayne did, but I ask for your patience as I adjust to the 
job.  Please vote though.

From now on, send your votes to [email-masked] using the subject line 
"Acka: Votes".  I will filter on this subject line, so please try and use 
it.  I have requested that the previous acting Tabulator send me all of 
the information I will need to do this job...  however, just to be on the 
safe side, you may want to send your votes to me again (as a couple of 
players already have).

Thanks You,
snowgod

who is working on a script

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:05:18 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Witchhunt

On the matter of the witchhunt against Robert Sevin, BURN THE WITCH !!

Oct 17 00:04 EDT: -10 Robert Sevin: BURN THE WITCH

Robert Sevin is thus burnt as a heretic, and is now Enlightened, and
can join the Round Earth club.

frinks are on snowgod!! 
 
I hereby order a double shot of Bacardi 151, a double of Stoly 100, one
of those Blazing Camel things, and, throw me in Gaol, a beer chaser.

I then slink off to my castle and listen to Blind Melon's first album,
Barenaked Ladies first album, and 13 Engines "Conquistador", and some
Marillion, and write some proposals.

Witchfinder General 
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
BURN THE WITCH! (9)
- --------------
   Malenkai
   Guy Fawkes
   Bascule
   /dev/joe
   Habeous Corpus
   ThinMan
   mr cwm
   snowgod
   Mohammed

He said the earth was flat (1)
- --------------------------
   breadbox

Witchfinder General

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:53:28 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: R362

Dagny did not reply to the requested R 362 message.  She was never
an active player, and thus should be removed as if she never joined
the game.

Malenkai
Speaker

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 2:17:51 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders

> I would also like to commission snowgod's portrait service to do a
> portrait for Wayne, so his slot is not empty in the Hall.  Hopefully
> this will be done gratis :).  I would get Wayne's permission first.
> 
> Malenkai
> Speaker

You have my permission.

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:55:09 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: query

On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> 
> Player A submits a Paradox Win CFJ, which for the sake of argument we 
> will say is TRUE.  However, before a verdict is returned, possibly due to 
> a few deadbeat judges, Player B sumits a proposal to fix the alleged 
> paradox.  Still before the verdict is returned, it  is voted 
> upon and passed, meaning the judge has no choice but to return FALSE.

There was a CFJ about this awhile back, which encomapassed all CFJs. A CFJ
is judged according to the rules at the time it was invoked.  
So, correcting the paradox after (or changing the rule) after the CFJ has
been invoked, and before it was judged, has no effect on the CFJ.
Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:22:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice

Garments weren't around when I drew up that proposal (at least not 
originally), and so I don't think the Champion's Cloak was specified to be 
a Garment.  So I think the Exalted One can wear both at the same time, 
kind of like a regal-grunge sort of look.

Guy Fawkes

On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> I'm not sure if he donned his champion's cloak, but the Purple Robe
> will not convey its power until it is donned, and only one garment
> may be worn at once.

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:24:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1338

And if you like Freud, a bit of blatant phallicism.

Guy Fawkes

On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> 3) A vehicle for a friendly arms race, potentially between the public
> and private sector, depending on what benefits are defined

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:25:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: One More Hall Of Elders

I support Techno's Hall of Elders bid.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:29:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 1343

Proposal 1343
No Scamming during a Crisis
Malenkai (Randy Hall)

This is a Modest proposal.
 
Create a new rule reading:

	It is considered bad taste to scam during a crisis, and 
players are permitted to sneer at this behaviour.

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:44:09 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 1338

On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> 
> And if you like Freud, a bit of blatant phallicism.
> 
> Guy Fawkes
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Malenkai wrote:
> 
> > 3) A vehicle for a friendly arms race, potentially between the public
> > and private sector, depending on what benefits are defined
>

At the present time I see no good reason to either support or oppose this.
Unless I find a real compelling reason against this, I'll have to vote
present.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:51:04 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Duel Vote

Malenkai,

I have to vote for Guy Fawke's Limerick.  Robert Sevin's is
good, but the meter of the last line doesn't match that of
the first two.  Call it a technical disqualification (according
to me).

>ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:01:19 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice

>
>ThinMan's high bid of A$107 wins the Purple Robe auction.  Its value
>is now A$122.

I hereby remove my Champion's Cloak and rescind
my request to be called "Exalted One."  I now wear
the Purple Robe of Justice.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:08:40 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice

Guy Fawkes wrote:
>
>Garments weren't around when I drew up that proposal (at least not 
>originally), and so I don't think the Champion's Cloak was specified to be 
>a Garment.  So I think the Exalted One can wear both at the same time, 
>kind of like a regal-grunge sort of look.
>
I hate to disagree with the author of the Rule, but
it specifically says that if a class of entities called
Garments exists, then Champion's Cloaks are
garments.  So I'm afraid the regal-grunge look is
right out.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:09:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal 1344

Proposal 1344
Round Earth Restoration Society
Guy Fawkes (Robert Shimmin)

Create a new rule reading:

At some time in the distant past, the Earth was indeed round, and through 
a great cataclysm, it became flat when two massive roughly hemispherical 
chunks broke off of it, one from the north, and one from the south.  Like 
all things which fall off the Earth, these two fragments of the Earth now 
dangle from emergency tethers.

The Round Earth Restoration Society exists.  Its goal to restore a round 
shape to the Earth by building enormous winch-like machines to reel in 
these two dangling fragments.  Unfortuantely, the cost of such machines 
is very high -- 15,000 A$.  At any time, a player may make a contribution 
to the Round Earth Restoration Society by posting a public message 
containing a non-negative amount of A$ less than that player's current 
balance that they wish to transfer to the Treasury on behalf of the Round 
Earth Restoration Society.  If taxes should ever exist in Acka, such 
contributions are tax-deductible.  The first player to make such a 
contribution becomes Chairman of the Round Earth Restoration Society, and 
it is his duty to keep track of how much money has been transferred to 
the Treasury on the Society's behalf.  Should this player ever go on 
vacation or leave the game, the next player to contribute shall take over 
this title and duty.

Once the Round Earth Restoration Society has raised 15,000 A$, a large 
machine shall be built, and the northern fragment joined to the earth, 
giving it a roughly hemispherical shape.  Once an additional 15,000 A$ has 
been raised, the southern fragment will be likewise joined, restoring a 
spherical shape to the Earth.

If the earth should become hemispherical, saying such is not Heresy, and 
this takes precedence over Rule 729.  If the Earth should ever become a 
sphere, all occurrences of the words "flat" and "round" in Rule 729 shall 
become "round" and "flat," respectively, and this paragraph shall then be 
repealed.

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:13:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice

I stand corrected.

On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Bollinger, John C. wrote:

> I hate to disagree with the author of the Rule, but
> it specifically says that if a class of entities called
> Garments exists, then Champion's Cloaks are
> garments.  So I'm afraid the regal-grunge look is
> right out.
> 
> ThinMan
> 

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:18:42 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: query

Bascule wrote:

>Argh! I don't think this is right, Malenkai. 
>
>Certainly, ThinMan won by paradox even though the rules had changed
>between him submitting the CFJ and the verdict finally coming through
>(I think Malenkai was acting justice at that time). I took the view
>that a judge considering the rules "then in effect" could mean the
>rules in effect when the CFJ was submitted, rather than when it was
>judged, and that it would be against the spirit of the game to deny
>ThinMan a win because of the speed of our legal system. But now we
>have CFJ 287, which came back TRUE:
>
>"If a CFJ is submitted, and before a verdict is reached, the rules
>pertaining to making judgements are changed, the judgement must be
>made in accordance with the new rules."
>
>So I think there is a problem, because loopholes seem to be sewn up 
>faster than the legal system takes to acknowledge their existence.

Honored Justice, please read the CFJ 287 statement again,
and perhaps the reasoning.  CFJ 287 says that the judge
must follow the rules in effect at the time he renders his
decision -- that is, the rules that govern how judgements
are to be made.  

CFJ 279 complements CFJ 287 by saying that the truth or
falsehood of the statement should be determined as of the
time that CFJ was submitted.  I think that together those
>two CFJ sum up the situation nicely.

ThinMan
wearing the Purple Robe of Justice

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:52:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchhunt

I order a Right-Handed Screwdriver (which is supposed to be made with
Right-Handed Grapefruit Juice rather than orange juice, but unless someone
wants to donate the Grapefruit Juice, I'll be stuck with Right-Handed
o.j.)  A Right-Handed Screwdriver is a Mixed Drink, naturally.

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: R362

On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Malenkai wrote:

>Dagny did not reply to the requested R 362 message.  She was never
>an active player, and thus should be removed as if she never joined
>the game.
>
>Malenkai
>Speaker
>

Do I lose my Mentor pay?  (Did I get my Mentor pay?)

- -mr cwm

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Duel Vote

On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, ThinMan wrote:

>Malenkai,
>
>I have to vote for Guy Fawke's Limerick.  Robert Sevin's is
>good, but the meter of the last line doesn't match that of
>the first two.  Call it a technical disqualification (according
>to me).
>
>>ThinMan
>

I'm not sure I should reply to what appears to be a posting error
(although I suppose I already am, or you wouldn't be reading this), but
violating the expected meter for effect seems like a legitimate and even
important artistic tool, and given the content of the last line, I'm sure
it was intentional.  (I think.) 

And it's self-referential! :)

- -mr cwm

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:15:26 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Purple Robe of Justice

Malenkai,

>I also do not know what game custom says about releasing the other
>bids in a private auction.  I will go by public opinion.  If there is
>no public opinion, I will not release them.

I don't think there is any game custom regarding private
auctions, as I don't think we've had one before.  However,
the rules only forbid disclosing the results of a private
auction _during_  the auction.

You are within your R115 rights to not disclose the
information, but I don't know why you would want to
conceal it.

Besides, I would like to know whether I overpaid.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:21:17 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Witchhunt (Drinks)

I order 3 glasses of water, which I drink while watching
the lovely flames.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:28:04 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Duel Vote

>
>I'm not sure I should reply to what appears to be a posting error
>(although I suppose I already am, or you wouldn't be reading this), but
>violating the expected meter for effect seems like a legitimate and even
>important artistic tool, and given the content of the last line, I'm sure
>it was intentional.  (I think.) 

Lest there be any confusion, it _was_ a posting
error on my part.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:31:57 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: R362

mr cwm wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Malenkai wrote:
>
>>Dagny did not reply to the requested R 362 message.  She was never
>>an active player, and thus should be removed as if she never joined
>>the game.
>
>Do I lose my Mentor pay?  (Did I get my Mentor pay?)
>
According to my interpretation of the rules (which is
the only one that matters unless a CFJ is called) the
answers are no and (yes).  R 362 cannot legally revoke
your Mentor's pay retroactively.  The clause in R362
that Malenkai mentioned  primarilly has the effect of
preventing an undead from being created, along with
all the ensuing hoopla.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:30:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Votes

This is going publicly because I don't know the Tabulator's address and 
don't have any of his messages in my mailbox right now (sorry snowgod and 
to everyone whose web client ran that much slower for a second because of 
this wasted bandwidth.)

My votes are:

1327 no
  28 no
  29 no
  30 yes
  31 yes
  32 yes
  33 yes
  34 yes
  35 yes
  36 yes
  37 yes
  38 yes
  39 present
  40 no
  41 no

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:56:19 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official: Accounts 

Ackazens,

Here are the most recent accounts, as of 12:50 EST, 10/17/96.  Not all
entities owned are listed; for the most part, only tradeable ones are.
The financial log is available by request, in case anyone disputes my
record of their balance.

ThinMan
Financier

%%%

Stats:
Ackadollars in circulation:
A$17611

Ackadollars held by 20 Players:
A$11824

Ackadollars haunted by 15 undead:
A$5757

Orkatass Lawn Care Company and Motor Inn:
A$ 30

Treasury:
A$57389

Average Per Player:
A$591

The following entities are stored in the Treasury:

The Gumball, The Voting Gnome, Tammany, Phoebe, The Fat Lady, An endless
supply and endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads, The Brass Monkey, The
Map of Ackanomia, The Rules of Ackanomic, the Proposals of Ackanomic, the
Judgements of Ackanomic, the three Blueprints currently in existence, and
every other legal document of Ackanomic, Game custom, The Ackanomic Afterlife,
the Senate Building, the Free Market, the Treasury, the Gaol, the Library, and
every other public building, Scads of PFs of fromer players, An infinite
number of points, The Great Trombone of Ackanomia, and probably a few others.
- --------

Name of Player [Acka Name]
A$xxx           nnn PFxxx       Other entities

/dev/joe
A$1246          100 PF/dev      2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Bascule
A$561           100 PFBascule   2 Newspapers, Big Blue Thing, Electronic Potato

breadbox
A$543           100 PFbreadbo

Brinjal
A$596           100 PFBrinjal

Calvin N Hobbes
A$259           100 PFCalvin

fnord
A$529           100 PFfnord

fon
A$337           100 PFfon

Guy Fawkes
A$612           75 PFGuy, 30 PFHabeous, 30 PFNiccolo, 30 BPUncle, 25 PFsnowgod,
                2 Prosthetic Foreheads, Electronic Potato

Habeous Corpus
A$861           70 PFHabeous, Whamiol, Vending Machine, PFH

IdiotBoy
A$176           30 PFIdiotBo, 10 PFThinMan, 55 BPUncle, 10 PFsnowgod, 25 PFGuy,
                100 BPWayne, used Prosthetic Forehead, PFH

Malenkai
A$1617          80 PFMalenka, 10 PFTechno, 2 PFsnowgod, electronic potato,
                Scroll of Crumble, PFH

Mohammed
A$467           80 PFMohamme, 20 PFsnowgod, 1 PFH

mr cwm
A$482           100 PFmr, 3 Prosthetic Foreheads

Niccolo Flychuck
A$223           50 PFNiccolo, 20 PFIdiotBo, 25 PFTechno, 15 BPUncle,
                Scroll of Crumble, Prosthetic Forehead

PapaSmurf
A$515           100 PFPapaSmu

Pascal
A$296           100 PFPascal

Robert Sevin
A$494           100 PFRobert

snowgod
A$663           43 PFsnowgod, 65 BPTechno, 20 PFMohamme, 50 PFIdiotBo,
                20 PFNiccolo, 10 PFMalenka, 15 PFHs, 1 Rock

ThinMan
A$866           90 PFThinMan, 10 PFMalenka, 1 PFH, Purple Robe of Justice,

"Tim"
A$481           100 PFTim

Entities haunted by the Undead:

Bash(u)
A$415           100 BPBash

chess piece face (u)
A$278           100 BPchess

De'ghew (u)
A$412           100 BPDe'ghew

Geezer(u)
A$417           100 BPGeezer

Kelly Martin(u)
A$316           100 Bond promissories

Mellon(u)
A$635           100 BPMellon

pTang1001001sos(u)
A$601           100 BPpTang100, Blue Cross

Robin Hood(u)
A$389           100 PFRobin

Simon Marty Harriman (u)
A$308           100 BPSimon

skinny(u)
A$470           100 PFskinny

Techno(u)
A$0             1 PFH

The Great Old One(u)
A$328           100 BPThe

this is not a name(u)
A$545           100 BPthis

Uncle Sam(u)
A$643           15 BPUncle, like-new PFH, PFH

Wayne(u)
A$0

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:57:25 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchhunt

> On the matter of the witchhunt against Robert Sevin, BURN THE WITCH !!
> 
> Oct 17 00:04 EDT: -10 Robert Sevin: BURN THE WITCH
> 
> Robert Sevin is thus burnt as a heretic, and is now Enlightened, and
> can join the Round Earth club.

Ooh! The pretty flames - watch him burn!  One question though...  I 
though Habeous Corpus's proposal repealing enlightenment passed?  Or 
maybe not.  Oh, the confusion of it all :)

In any event, I order two glasses of water to pour on the ashes when the 
flames are over and a Flaming Witch (which is a mixed drink consisting of 
cinnimon shnapps and vanilla extract)

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 11:19:17 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Witchhunt

> I hereby order a double shot of Bacardi 151, a double of Stoly 100, one
> of those Blazing Camel things, and, throw me in Gaol, a beer chaser.

Hey! Hey!  I'm not paying for that beer chaser.  He can order it all he 
wants, but I say the no self-respecting bartender would give him more 
than three drinks (after all non player enitities can't break the rules).

snowgod
having fun

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:01:48 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Etc

I am sending a message so that mohammed can have my email adress :) Just 
in case anyone missed it the first time, it's [email-masked]

Actually, I just wanted to let everyone know that I am trying a couple of 
different methods of creating bots, one with applescript (oh my god, the 
president uses a mac?) and another one that I don't want to discuss quite 
yet (it's most likely doomed to failure).  Until hten, I am using good 
old pencil and paper.  

Many people sent their votes in the old nomicbot format, which is fine by 
me.  I can decode it just fine by hand, and I'll try and get my 
applescript to do the same.

I am currently accepting votes on proposals 1327-1344

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:12:59 +0000
From: Bascule <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: query

> >CFJ 287:
> >"If a CFJ is submitted, and before a verdict is reached, the rules
> >pertaining to making judgements are changed, the judgement must be
> >made in accordance with the new rules."
> >
> >So I think there is a problem, because loopholes seem to be sewn up 
> >faster than the legal system takes to acknowledge their existence.
> 
> Honored Justice, please read the CFJ 287 statement again,
> and perhaps the reasoning.  CFJ 287 says that the judge
> must follow the rules in effect at the time he renders his
> decision -- that is, the rules that govern how judgements
> are to be made.  
> 
> CFJ 279 complements CFJ 287 by saying that the truth or
> falsehood of the statement should be determined as of the
> time that CFJ was submitted.  I think that together those
> >two CFJ sum up the situation nicely.
> 
> ThinMan
> wearing the Purple Robe of Justice

Oops! Guilty of not reading the reasoning.

I also misread 287 slightly, I had thought it was saying "If a CFJ
is submitted, and before a verdict is reached, the rules pertaining
to making _that_judgement_ are changed, the judgement must be made in
accordance with the new rules."

But I'm still not 100% sure about this. 279 and 287 seem to me to
contradict rather than complement each other (the intended effect).
CFJ 279 (TRUE):

"If a CFJ is submitted, and before a verdict is reached, the rules
pertaining to that CFJ are changed, the CFJ must be judged under the
ruleset under which it was subitted."

This makes no attempt to distinguish between rules about making
judgements in general and those rules that pertain to a specific CFJ.
I think that earlier CFJs have precedence (although I can't find the
relevant rule at the moment), and if this is the case then it could
be argued that 287 has no effect.

(Moreover, regarding 287, it could be argued that "the rules that
govern how judgements are to be made" are in fact all the rules,
especially since rule 215 says "All Judgements must be in accordance
with all the rules then in effect."  If you accept this argument,
then 279 and 287 are completely contradictory.)

My main problem is that I do not see that the existence of 287 makes 
any difference to 279. The opening line of 287's initiator's 
reasoning says 

"This complements CFJ 279; that CFJ considered the rules pertaining
to the specific CFJ, while this one concerns the rules which govern
making judgements in general."

I don't agree with this; surely "the rules pertaining to that CFJ"
(from 279) includes those rules about CFJs in general. 

Any comments?

Bascule
Wielding a Bronze Torch that seems to have gone out
Looking enviously at the Purple Robe of Justice

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:39:42 -0500
From: "Bollinger, John C." <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: query

Bascule wrote:
>
>My main problem is that I do not see that the existence of 287 makes 
>any difference to 279. The opening line of 287's initiator's 
>reasoning says 
>
>"This complements CFJ 279; that CFJ considered the rules pertaining
>to the specific CFJ, while this one concerns the rules which govern
>making judgements in general."
>
>I don't agree with this; surely "the rules pertaining to that CFJ"
>(from 279) includes those rules about CFJs in general. 

This is a case where "implicit game custom" as established
in the reasoning of a CFJ becomes important.  That is a tricky
business, as it is not legislated.  Nevertheless, a CFJ verdict
often depends on the way that the CFJ statement itself is
interpreted, and if the statement is ambiguous then one can only
go to the CFJ reasoning to determine which interpretation of the
statement the judge used.  I think it well within the Rules, game
custom, and the spirit of the game that what becomes
customary be the truth or falsehood of the judge's interpretation
of the CFJ statement, rather than the absolute truth or falsehood
of the CFJ statement stripped of context and interpretation.

With all that judicial theory said, I think that the appropriate
interpretations of the CFJ 279 and 287 statements are well
established in their respective reasonings, and that under those
interpretations the two rulings are, indeed, complementary.

ThinMan
Bronze Torch holder
wearing the Purple Robe of Justice

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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:11:48 +0000
From: Bascule <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: query

> This is a case where "implicit game custom" as established
> in the reasoning of a CFJ becomes important.  That is a tricky
> business, as it is not legislated.  Nevertheless, a CFJ verdict
> often depends on the way that the CFJ statement itself is
> interpreted, and if the statement is ambiguous then one can only
> go to the CFJ reasoning to determine which interpretation of the
> statement the judge used.  I think it well within the Rules, game
> custom, and the spirit of the game that what becomes
> customary be the truth or falsehood of the judge's interpretation
> of the CFJ statement, rather than the absolute truth or falsehood
> of the CFJ statement stripped of context and interpretation.
> 
> With all that judicial theory said, I think that the appropriate
> interpretations of the CFJ 279 and 287 statements are well
> established in their respective reasonings, and that under those
> interpretations the two rulings are, indeed, complementary.
> 
> ThinMan
> Bronze Torch holder
> wearing the Purple Robe of Justice

OK. I've got another problem with it now. Rule 215 says a judge shall
consider the rules then in effect. This is of course ambiguous (When
in effect? When it's judged, or when it was submitted?), and I think
either reading can be taken but not both. In my view, it doesn't
provide for one subset of rules that should be applied when the
CFJ is judged, with a different subset that should be considered as
if they were in the same state they were in when the CFJ was
submitted. If you get my meaning.

Bascule
Torch re-lit
Cooking on Gas

 

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:34:27 -0800 (AKDT)
From: "Phillip R. Ackley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Inventor

The time feels right to build another gadget.  I have had several 
requests to build another Whamiol, and though I would like to see them 
rare, who am I to slow the economy by not producing what people want?

So I am building another Whamiol, though this will certainly be the last one.

snowgod

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:07:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jason Orendorff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  RFC crime, take 2

[Here it is, again.  I may have missed some of the things Malenkai 
mentioned earlier because I deleted that message before the changes were 
made.  I'm sure the most important stuff was taken care of.]

1. Rule 710 ("Criminal Justice") is amended by changing
the section which reads:
- ---
    3) Its "statement" shall be "X has broken the Rules", where X is
    replaced with the name of a registered player.
- ---
to
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    3) Its "statement" shall be "X has committed a Crime", where X is
    replaced with the name of a registered player.
- ---
 
2.  A new rule is created, titled "Crime", reading:
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To break the Rules is a Crime, a Felony.
 
To perform an action specified by the Rules to be Illegal is a Crime.
An action specified by the Rules to be "impermissible" is, by
contrast, impossible.  However, an attempt to commit such an action is
a Crime [even though the action itself does not occur].
 
Failure of an Officer to perform a Duty of an Office e holds is a 
Crime.  The act of performing a Duty incorrectly is Malpractice, which 
is also a Crime.
- ---
 
3.  Rule 362 ("No Dead Players Allowed") is amended to read, in full:
- ---
If any player who is not currently on a voluntarily activated vacation 
does not vote or communicate publicly with all of the Ackanomic players
for a time period of one week, and this fact is pointed out to the 
Speaker by any player, then the Speaker has a Duty to send a message 
to the player who has been absent.  In this message the Speaker has a
Duty to ask the player if e wishes to continue playing the game, and to
point out why the message is being sent.  If the player does not reply
within two days, then e is placed on vacation with an expected duration
of two days, unless e never was an active player, in which case e is
removed from the game, and treated as if e never joined the game [and
thus no Undead is created, etc].
- ---
 
[This changes "must" to "has the Duty of".]

4. Rule 414 ("The Office of the Tabulator") is amended by
replacing
- ---
(c) to report the acceptance or rejection of each proposal.
    Proposal results must be reported in the time order in
    which their voting periods ended.
- ---
with
- ---
(c) to report the acceptance or rejection of proposals, in
    the time order in which their voting periods ended.
- ---

5.  Rule 569 ("Overturning Judgements") is amended by replacing
- ---
The Supreme Court must then decide the case and return its
verdict within one week.
- ---
with
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The Supreme Court shall then decide the case, and should
return its verdict within one week.
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6.  Rule 726 ("Party Hall") is amended by replacing
- ---
If the Speaker is a Party member, and no player has been
assigned the role of acting NAP Swinger, and there is at least
one volunteer from among the non-aligned players for that
position, then the Speaker must appoint one of the volunteers
as acting NAP Swinger. 
- ---
with
- ---
If the Speaker is a Party member, and no player has been
assigned the role of acting NAP Swinger, and there is at least
one volunteer from among the non-aligned players for that
position, then the Speaker has the Duty of appointing one of
the volunteers as acting NAP Swinger.
- ---

7.  Rule 775 ("Church") is amended by replacing
- ---
c.All Church members must abide by Church Policy as long as
they are members of the Church.
- ---
with
- ---
c.  A Player who disobeys the Church Policy of a Church of which he or
she is a member is guilty of Iconoclasm, which is a Crime.  It is
impermissible for a Player to take a game action which constitutes
Iconoclasm if he or she has any legal alternative which would not
constitute Iconoclasm.  [That is, Iconoclasm normally doesn't happen
unless there is no alternative.  It is possible for a player to
commit Iconoclasm by inaction, though.]
- ---
 
and by replacing
- ---
The Church must respond within 4 days with an explanation
it finds suitable.  A Church may provide such an explanation
even if no request was made.
- ---
with
- ---
Members of the Church may respond to this however they like, and any such 
response has the official Ackanomic Seal of Politeness, regardless of how 
brain-stoppingly offensive it is.
- ---
 
and by replacing
- ---
7. a.  When a player wishes to join a Church, e may
communicate this fact to the Church Founder either publically
or privately.
 
b. If Church Policy has nothing to say on accepting new
members, then Church membership will be up to the Founder.
 
c. Whenever a new player joins a Church, the Church Founder
must make a public announcement to that effect. 
 
d. A player may leave a Church at any time. 
- ---
with
- ---
7. a.  Any player may petition the Founder of a Church for
membership in that Church.
 
b. If Church Policy has nothing to say on accepting new
members, then Church membership will be up to the Founder.
However, a Player cannot become a member of a Church until
the Founder of the Church sends a public announcement to
that effect.
 
c.  A player may leave a Church at any time.
- ---
 
and by replacing
- ---
8. a. A Church must always have at least one Priest. 
 
b. A Church must always have at least at four members,
including Priests.
- ---
with
- ---
8. a.  If a Church ever has no Priests or (Heaven forbid) has
fewer than zero Priests, that Church is disbanded.  That is,
it no longer exists as a Church.
 
b.  If a Church ever has fewer than four members, it is
disbanded.
- ---

8.  Rule 779 ("Succession Proceedings") is amended by replacing
- ---
3) Upon SPS being invoked, one of the players invoking them
   must send a message to the current Speaker stating what is
   going on, with the subject line "Ackanomic: Official: SPS".
   If the current Speaker responds to the message in the public
   forum within 3 days, SPS is immediately terminated.
- ---
with
- ---
3) If no one sends a message to the current Speaker within
   a day of SPS being invoked, stating what is going on,
   with the subject line "Ackanomic: Official: SPS",
   SPS are immediately terminated.  If the current Speaker
   responds to the message in the public forum within 3 days,
   SPS is immediately terminated.
- ---

9.  Rule 797 ("Festival of Torkola") is amended by replacing
- ---
The Promoter is strongly encouraged, but not required, to
do this.  He or she must consider the state of the game and
popular opinion when making this decision.
- ---
with
- ---
The Promoter is strongly encouraged, but not required, to do
this, taking into consideration the state of the game and
popular opinion.
- ---

10.  Rule 818 ("Prosthetic Foreheads") is amended by replacing
- ---
A player may wear a Prosthetic Forehead that they own, but e
may wear only one Prosthetic Forehead at a time. A player
must announce publicly whenever it starts or stops wearing a
Prosthetic Forehead, and must also announce what type of
Prosthetic Forehead is involved.
- ---
with
- ---
A Player who is not already wearing a Prosthetic Forehead
may wear any one e owns by announcing publicly that e is
doing so and what type of Prosthetic Forehead is involved.
A Player who is wearing a Prosthetic Forehead may remove it
by announcing the action publicly.
- ---

11.  Rule 832 ("Postmaster") is amended by replacing
- ---
All players, except those who are vacationing, must be
subscribed to the official mailing list at all times.
- ---
with
- ---
For a Player who is not on vacation to unsubscribe
from the official mailing list is a Crime.
- ---

12.  Rule 892 ("Journalistic Integrity") is amended by replacing
- ---
If a newspaper publishes an article containing any statement that
another player considers to be untrue, that player may ask for a
correction to be published in the same newspaper. The player must
voice her objection publically within a week of the article being
published.
 
If a correction is not published by the newspaper within a week of
the complaint being made, or if the complainant is not satisfied
with the correction, then she may make a Call for Criminal Judgement
against the owner of the offending newspaper.
- ---
with
- ---
It is a Crime for a Player to refuse to publish, in a newspaper he or she 
owns, a correction of an untrue statement that previously appeared in 
that newspaper, after a public request for such a correction has been 
made.  Simply neglecting to publish such a correction for a period of 
three days or more after the request shall be taken as refusal to do so.
- ---
 
13.  Rule 924 ("Required Reading") is amended by removing section f).
 
[f) The Web-Harfer may publically request that the Speaker 
help him or her in his or her attempt to comply with
clause a) and b). If such a request is made, the Speaker
must make a bona-fide effort to help the Web-Harfer.]

- --Mohammed

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:43:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Postmaster: Mailing list check

I did a preliminary check of all the mailing lists this morning, removing
dead players (Wayne, tinan, Dagny, and Techno) from all the lists, and
adding breadbox to the senate list.  This evening I've been checking for
any other problems with the lists.  The acka-noneyet list looked bare with
only 2 members; I found that Guy Fawkes had not been moved onto it and out
of acka-fun since his party switch a couple weeks ago.

If any of these lists look wrong, let me know.

acka-chess:
[email-masked] (spectator)
[email-masked] (FUN)
[email-masked] (NAP)
[email-masked] (Vulcan, Chess-Umpire)
[email-masked] (spectator)
[email-masked] ((None Yet))
[email-masked] (spectator)

acka-noneyet:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

acka-fun:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

acka-vulcan:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

acka-markovian:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

acka-underworld:
[email-masked]
(This list will be deleted.)

acka-senate:
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]
[email-masked]

(Other lists not shown include ackanomic, ackanomic-digest, ackanopoly,
acka-finance, acka-judicial, acka-research, acka-cc, and internomic.
It seems to me that a couple of these do not get used very much.)

/dev/joe
Postmaster

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