Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #260
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Ackanomic Digest     Thursday, September 26 1996     Volume 01 : Number 260

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:45:23 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1269

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > 
> > Proposal 1269 - Sun Sep 22 20:32:15 EDT 1996
> > Newton, Apples, and Parties
> > Niccolo Flychuck  (Uri Bruck)
> > 
> > A proposal to create a rule entitled "Newton, Apples, and Parties" which
> > contains the following text:
> 
> > {{The first Tuesday after this proposal has been accepted, will be the
> > first Tuesday on which Swingers receive points according to this rule.}}
> 
> Is this going to work?  The clause in {{}} will only hold sway when
> the rule change is publically knowable, and at no other time, because
> it will be gone.
> 
> I guess we'll find out.  It might be one of those facts that the Speaker
> has to keep track of.
> 
> Malenkai
>
The rule works fine even without it.  
The rule specifies that points are given every two weeks on Tuesday. A
reasonable interpretation of this is that if on any given Tuesday it is
determined that the procedure in this rule has not been carried out for
two weeks or longer, than it's high time it was.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:08:53 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Games & Contests web-page

The URL for the Games & Contests web-page is

http://www.actcom.co.il/~bruck/GnC/

Currently, there is very little there. There's a title.

That's it. 

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:18:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1270

Would being an eggplant disqualify you from playing?  (The rules do say 
you have to be a person.)  :)

Guy Fawkes

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > 
> > Proposal 1270 - Sun Sep 22 20:51:45 EDT 1996
> > Handicapping and Glory
> > Guy Fawkes  (Robert Shimmin)
> 
> > Amend R666, section i) to read:
> > 
> > If this causes a player's score to be negative, that player is a Victory                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Eggplant is created in that player's possession.
> 
> Geez, I'd hate to be turned into a Victory Eggplant, should I ever be
> fortunate enough to win again :)
> 
> Malenkai
> Is an eggplant a fruit or a vegetable?
> 

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:30:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 299 (Calvin N Hobbes)

> This loophole surfing crap has really gotten out of hand.  Play the 
> game and quit looking for crock loopholes.  Especially these out of 
> your puny little mind, got nothing better to do, memorizing the rules 
> for loopholes, bogus attempts at a paradox win.  This CFJ gets the 
> "Total Shit" award.  Who cares if rules pre-682 have an authors name. 
> Get a life.
> 
> Techno
> The UW will rule the land of Acka. Count on it.
> "Don't learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade."

If I did actually spend hours a day scanning the rules for puny 
paradoxi, I would deserve everything you said.  I found this one entirely 
by accident.  I shit you not, when downloading the rule set, the server 
hung in the late 600's, at that c) clause just sat there before me.  How 
could I not submit that which was given to me by divine intervention?  :)

Please, don't call it "Total shit."  Then I'd have to propose making an 
Official Plumber in addition to the Official Moron :)

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:16:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 299 / Politeness Moon

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 Techno wrote:
>
>This loophole surfing crap has really gotten out of hand.  Play the 
>game and quit looking for crock loopholes.  Especially these out of 
>your puny little mind, got nothing better to do, memorizing the rules 
>for loopholes, bogus attempts at a paradox win.  This CFJ gets the 
>"Total Shit" award.  Who cares if rules pre-682 have an authors name. 
>Get a life.
>

I don't care if pre-682 rules have the author's name, but I find a clause
that declares itself optional to be moderately entertaining.  I enjoyed
reading the argument of the CFJ, so I'm glad someone submitted it.  I
apologize if my life is not up to your standards.

On second thought, I don't apologize.  I call for a Politeness Moon
hearing on Techno for the above-referenced message.

- -mr cwm
 wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 299 (Calvin N Hobbes)

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Guy Fawkes wrote in response to Techno:

>
>If I did actually spend hours a day scanning the rules for puny 
>paradoxi, I would deserve everything you said.  I found this one entirely 
>by accident.  I shit you not, when downloading the rule set, the server 
>hung in the late 600's, at that c) clause just sat there before me.  How 
>could I not submit that which was given to me by divine intervention?  :)
>
>Please, don't call it "Total shit."  Then I'd have to propose making an 
>Official Plumber in addition to the Official Moron :)
>

No, even if you did spend hours a day scanning the rules for puny
paradoxi, you would not deserve to receive any responses with the
offensive tone of Techno's message.  You would be a rather strange person,
but as long as you were playing within the rules, your choice of where to
focus your energies to play within the rules would deserve respect. 

- -mr cwm
 wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: IdiotBoy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Homeward Bound!

Dang, I forgot what day it was.. I am going back home.. going to Cow Town
later tonight.

IB
- --
IdiotBoy, as always, dumber than a box of hammers.
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:36:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Homeward Bound!

Not to usurp IdiotBoy's campaign for Official Moron, but is the Cow Town 
rhyme taken from any acutal song lyrics, and if so, which one?

Guy Fawkes

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, IdiotBoy wrote:

> Dang, I forgot what day it was.. I am going back home.. going to Cow Town
> later tonight.
> 
> 
> IB
> --
> IdiotBoy, as always, dumber than a box of hammers.
> [email-masked]
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:09:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael J. Thomas" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Misc: fnord's time zone

Joseph W. DeVincentis spake thusly
> 
> This message was dated 22:40 PDT (i.e., 01:40 EDT the following day)
> and Malenkai's response was marked 01:35 EDT.  Upon checking headers,
> it seems the clock on fnord's computer (or his ISP's computer, or
> whatever) is at least 20 minutes fast.

Um, yeah.  We've been fighting with the machine/OS, trying to get it
to have the correct time *and* time zone.  We either get the right
time and the wrong timezone, or we get the right timezone and the
wrong time.  We settled for right timezone (less hassle around 
Daylight Savings Times), but at an expense of being 20 minutes
or so fast.

fnord

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:05:47 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: registrar

We have a returning player
Jason Orendorff, Ackanomic name Mohammed
[email-masked]

Has rejoined Ackanomic

We welcome him back.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:14:18 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:registrar

We have a new observer.
Glen Plam
his e-mail is [email-masked]

and he is joining as observer with intent to become a player, and would
like to have the Ackanomic name Project.

We welcome him to Ackanomic

Niccolo Flychuck
Registrar

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:18:41 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: G&C prop 101

G&C proposal 101 
Habeus Corpus

 New General Equipment for Games and Contests

The Ackanomic Magic Dice (AMD)

The Ackanomic Magic Dice will roll 1 to 1000 multi-sided die up to 1000
rolls per request.  Sides may be from 2-1000 sides.

The AMD will display results automatically to the mail list,  or to as
amny as ten private addresses.

To use the AMD,  a Player sends an e-mai message to "[email-masked]"
omitting the quotation marks.  In the body of the message,  use the
following format:

#P <mail address of Player or maillist>  [up to 10 #P lines allowed]
#S <number of sides on all die>  [up to 1000 sides allowed]
#D <number of dice in every roll>  [up to 1000 dice allowed]
#R <number of rolls>  [up to 1000 total rolls]
#L <number of rolls per line in output>  [up to 20 rolls per line]  
#C <comments>  [up to 100 #C lines allowed]
#T <subject line of returned mail>

Complete instructions and examples of use may be found at the Dice Server
Web site:  http://www.pbm.com/dice/

Habeous Corpus
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've already tried this one out. We need five public endorsements to put
on the web page.

So here is the first one.

I publically endorse this proposal for the Ackanomic Magic Dice. 

that's 1 down, 4 to go

Niccolo Flychuck

GameMaster

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:26:10 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Homeward Bound!

IdiotBoy wrote:
> 
> Dang, I forgot what day it was.. I am going back home.. going to Cow Town
> later tonight.

The assistant Financier has noted the A$25 lodging fee from Idiot Boy
to the Gaoler for the brief stay in Cow Town.

Assistant Financier

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:30:44 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 299 / Politeness Moon

mr cwm wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 24 Sep 1996 Techno wrote:
> >
> >This loophole surfing crap has really gotten out of hand.  Play the
> >game and quit looking for crock loopholes.  Especially these out of
> >your puny little mind, got nothing better to do, memorizing the rules
> >for loopholes, bogus attempts at a paradox win.  This CFJ gets the
> >"Total Shit" award.  Who cares if rules pre-682 have an authors name.
> >Get a life.
> >
> 
> I don't care if pre-682 rules have the author's name, but I find a clause
> that declares itself optional to be moderately entertaining.  I enjoyed
> reading the argument of the CFJ, so I'm glad someone submitted it.  I
> apologize if my life is not up to your standards.
> 
> On second thought, I don't apologize.  I call for a Politeness Moon
> hearing on Techno for the above-referenced message.

Send votes to [email-masked].  Voting lasts for 3 days from the date
of mr cwm's post.

Assistant Tabulator
to be Count Tabula, hopefully

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:41:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: G&C prop 101

Count me in too, but send me a picture of some of the polyhedrons you use.

Guy Fawkes

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> G&C proposal 101 
> Habeus Corpus
> 
> 
>  New General Equipment for Games and Contests
> 
> The Ackanomic Magic Dice (AMD)
> 
> The Ackanomic Magic Dice will roll 1 to 1000 multi-sided die up to 1000
> rolls per request.  Sides may be from 2-1000 sides.
> 
> The AMD will display results automatically to the mail list,  or to as
> amny as ten private addresses.
> 
> To use the AMD,  a Player sends an e-mai message to "[email-masked]"
> omitting the quotation marks.  In the body of the message,  use the
> following format:
> 
> #P <mail address of Player or maillist>  [up to 10 #P lines allowed]
> #S <number of sides on all die>  [up to 1000 sides allowed]
> #D <number of dice in every roll>  [up to 1000 dice allowed]
> #R <number of rolls>  [up to 1000 total rolls]
> #L <number of rolls per line in output>  [up to 20 rolls per line]  
> #C <comments>  [up to 100 #C lines allowed]
> #T <subject line of returned mail>
> 
> 
> Complete instructions and examples of use may be found at the Dice Server
> Web site:  http://www.pbm.com/dice/
> 
> 
> 
> Habeous Corpus
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> I've already tried this one out. We need five public endorsements to put
> on the web page.
> 
> So here is the first one.
> 
> I publically endorse this proposal for the Ackanomic Magic Dice. 
> 
> that's 1 down, 4 to go
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> GameMaster
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: IdiotBoy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: G&C prop 101

Ok, I'm prolly the world's biggest doofus, but what makes this a game?

IB
- --
IdiotBoy, as always, dumber than a box of hammers.
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: IdiotBoy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  CowTown Bound!

I'm going down to Cow Town, Cow's a friend to me.
Live's beneath the ocean, that's where I'll be.
Beneath the waves, the waves, and that's where I will be.
I'm going to see the Cow beneath the sea.

IB
Fugitive
- --
IdiotBoy, as always, dumber than a box of hammers.
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:20:09 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 299 (Calvin N Hobbes) 

>Calvin N Hobbes has been chosen, and has 3 days to accept/decline.

I accept.

Calvin "Flame-Me" Hobbes

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:57:29 GMT
From: Simon Clarke <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gaolbirds take note...

All are welcome to try out the hospitality of Cow Town. The Cow Town
Hotel has rooms ready for you. We wish you a pleasant stay. 
However, if you are destined for Gaol, a word with your friendly Gaoler
may well be worth while. An early release is always possible at a price.

Brinjal
Gaoler.
Tough on crime - not always quite so tough on criminals

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:07:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Michael J. Thomas" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  New Church...

I wish to hereby declare my intent to found a Church (as per Rule 775).

The Church will be called Church of the Really Adventurous Nomic
Devotees of Eris (also known as the Church of R.A.N.D.O.E (which
would have been R.A.N.D.O.M if I could have thought of something
cool beginning with M, and didn't need to make sure that 'Eris'
was in there somewhere)).  

Church Policy will be very light, with a delicate bouquet, a 
slightly vivacious nose, and not too mean on the waistline.

Church Dogma will have a Church Karma to chase after, as well
as a lovely Dogma House in the backyard.

Any who wish to join in the effort to bring fun and whimsicality
to the Nomic, and put behind any transgressions against Chaos,
feel free to send me e-mail.

fnord
Hopeful Founder of Church of RANDOE
[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:05:24 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  New Church... 

>The Church will be called Church of the Really Adventurous Nomic
>Devotees of Eris (also known as the Church of R.A.N.D.O.E (which
>would have been R.A.N.D.O.M if I could have thought of something
>cool beginning with M, and didn't need to make sure that 'Eris'
>was in there somewhere)).  

Madness. Mayhem. Masochism. Marilyn Monroe (RANDOMM). Madonna. Manchuria.
Molotov. Macrophobia. Melancholy. Montevideo, Monsters. Monotony. Martyrdom
or Martyrs (for Heretics like me).

But granted. None are really all that cool.

>Any who wish to join in the effort to bring fun and whimsicality
>to the Nomic, and put behind any transgressions against Chaos,
>feel free to send me e-mail.

I'd like to, except for the following in R775:
>6. A player may not be a member of more than one Church at the same time. 

Good luck! It sounds cool.

CnH

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:09:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Another new church

I've been meaning to do this for several weeks, and lately I have been
getting a variety of reminders to get at it and send it out, the latest
coming in the form of the announcement of another new church.

I am announcing my intent to form a church, called the Church of Seleya.

Dogma of The Church of Seleya

If there were no lawful advantage gained by belonging to a Church,
Vulcans and other like-minded people probably would not join a
Church.  However, there is such an advantage now, thus a great altar
is constructed here on Seleya, the tallest mountain on Vulcan, to
help protect free-thinkers from hordes of torch-wielding flat-earthers.
Through a powerful telescope which is built into the altar, it is
possible to see the Earth!

Policy of the Church of Seleya

Any player may be a follower of the Church of Seleya, except for those
players specifically banned.  The Founder has the rights to ban players
from becoming followers, to remove such bans, to remove followers from
the church, and to amend this policy, as well as any other rights defined
in the rules.

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:19:20 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another new church 

>I am announcing my intent to form a church, called the Church of Seleya.

Darn. Another good Church. And for Heretics too... Hum... R775 will have to
be looked at.

CnH

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:46:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another new church

Any thoughts on allowing players to join multiple churches?

I think Acka has room for polytheists.

Guy Fawkes

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:20:34 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  New Church...

T Joffrain wrote:

> I'd like to, except for the following in R775:
> >6. A player may not be a member of more than one Church at the same time.

Vote YES for "Freedom of Religion", then :)

Malenkai
polytheist

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:22:24 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another new church

robert gene shimmin wrote:
> 
> Any thoughts on allowing players to join multiple churches?
> 
> I think Acka has room for polytheists.
> 
> Guy Fawkes

The proposal is already in the queue.  See previous post :)

Malenkai
promoting polytheism
I'll join all of them + form another

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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:40:11 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: G&C prop 101

Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> G&C proposal 101
> Habeus Corpus

I endorse this.  I was hoping to find something like this for something
I was working on.  Accroding to R 1206, if you ignore the paradox (which
I have submitted a CSR to hopefully fix), 4 other people need to endorse
this for it to happen.

Need 3 more...

Is that the way this works, Niccolo?

> 
>  New General Equipment for Games and Contests
> 
> The Ackanomic Magic Dice (AMD)
> 
> The Ackanomic Magic Dice will roll 1 to 1000 multi-sided die up to 1000
> rolls per request.  Sides may be from 2-1000 sides.
> 
> The AMD will display results automatically to the mail list,  or to as
> amny as ten private addresses.
> 
> To use the AMD,  a Player sends an e-mai message to "[email-masked]"
> omitting the quotation marks.  In the body of the message,  use the
> following format:
> 
> #P <mail address of Player or maillist>  [up to 10 #P lines allowed]
> #S <number of sides on all die>  [up to 1000 sides allowed]
> #D <number of dice in every roll>  [up to 1000 dice allowed]
> #R <number of rolls>  [up to 1000 total rolls]
> #L <number of rolls per line in output>  [up to 20 rolls per line]
> #C <comments>  [up to 100 #C lines allowed]
> #T <subject line of returned mail>
> 
> Complete instructions and examples of use may be found at the Dice Server
> Web site:  http://www.pbm.com/dice/
> 
> Habeous Corpus
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I've already tried this one out. We need five public endorsements to put
> on the web page.
> 
> So here is the first one.
> 
> I publically endorse this proposal for the Ackanomic Magic Dice.
> 
> that's 1 down, 4 to go
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> GameMaster

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