Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #253
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest      Sunday, September 22 1996      Volume 01 : Number 253

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:28:51 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 296 (snowgod) 

>snowgod has been chosen, and has 3 days to accept/decline.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 296
>  Subject: Game Effect of a FALSE CFJ
>Initiator: IdiotBoy
>    Judge: snowgod (selected Sep 20, 1996, 22:56h EDT)

I accept judgement on this CFJ.

snowgod

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** *
Amazing things happen when great minds work together.

That's why IdiotBoy is working closely with the underworld party to insure
that your investments will provide you with maximum cash flow and minimum
risk.  Only IdiotBoy actively promotes Waynenomics as part of his
investment package!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:42:35 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1263

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > 
> > Proposal 1263 - Fri Sep 20 11:15:06 EDT 1996
> > Duels
> > Niccolo Flychuck  (Uri Bruck)
> 
> > their votes to their tabulator, indicating which limerick is the better
> > one. 
> 
> I'm not sure about "their tabulator".  If this is to be construed as
> "the Tabulator", it will be the Assistant Tabulator anyway by R 414.
> (soon to renamed Count Tabula, hopefully).  This will make my CSR to
> do the rename a little harder.

I'm afraid this one's a typo. A seperate CSR could fix this. Or, you can
include a fix in any ammendment for this rule. IMO the typo has no effect
on the rule.
 > 
> > g. If a player who is currently engaged in Duel procedures  goes on
> > Vacation that lasts more than 7 days e foreits the Duel.
> 
> What if both players go on long vacations?  Is it a paradox?  I don't
> believe so, its possible that both forfeit.  Although that makes no 
> sense in the customary language of duels, I *think* that will happen.
> In any case, it would have been nice to have something spelled out.
One of them will necessarily go on vacation first, and 7 days will pass
first (or e will anounce the length of the Vacation beforehand). Once one
of them has forfeit, there is no longer any Duel, and it doesn't matter
whether or not the latter is on Vacation or not

> > j. A player who has declined a Duel, or failed to respond to a Challenge,
> > is Untouchable until 3 days after the date e has declined, or until 3
> > days after e is considered to have forfeit the duel.
> 
> In this case you use 3, and used 4 elsewhere.  I wish we could simply
> standardize on 3 and 7 days.
Four days for a forfeit by default. 3 more days of Untouchable make up
together for 7 days of not communicating to the public forum.
It could be ammended to four.

> 
> I wish you had made all the times three or seven days.  As the player
> who willprobably have to keep track of this, all the odd times (4, 14,
> and 20) will create a little more work.

14 is twice 7, it also equal to one bond cycle. 
I think people should be given 4 days to respond to such thing as Duel
Challenges. A Duel is not a game critical action (a CFJ often is), and
there is no reason to hurry with it.
Four days generally make more sense to me, it's short enough not to drag
on, and lomg enough to give everyone a chance to reply.
> 
> I voted for it, I will propose the above amendemnts if it is accepted.

 > 
> Malenkai
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:45:07 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1263

Uri Bruck wrote:

> One of them will necessarily go on vacation first, and 7 days will pass
> first (or e will anounce the length of the Vacation beforehand). Once one
> of them has forfeit, there is no longer any Duel, and it doesn't matter
> whether or not the latter is on Vacation or not

This is false.  If both abstain on a proposal, for example, and the 
proposal fails to achieve quorum, both will go on vacation at the same
time.  I'm sure there are other times where 2 players could go on 
vacation simultaneously.

The odds of this occurring seem low, but it would be nice to cover it,
because it *could* happen.

Malenkai

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:13:30 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: RFC: Time Zone again

RFC - v1 - Acka Day - Malenkai

{{[so far two time zone proposals have failed.  Unfortunately, lack of
some sort of acka day or time zone as cluttered the language of a few
proposals and RFCs I've seen lately, and make things like the magic
potato ambigious, etc.  So I figured I'd give it a try.

I'm interested in knowing if there are objections to the concept,
as opposed to the implementation, of any time zone proposal.  Also,
since this would affect everyone, it went to the main forum]}}
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Create a new rule which reads:

A day in Acka starts when the day starts in New York City, USA, and
ends when the day ends there.  This is called the Acka Day.  [That is
to say, the official time zone is EDT(-0400)/EST(-0500)].

Whenever a day of the week, day of the month, or time of day is 
specified, in the rules or other official document, and it is not 
qualified with a time zone, it shall be said to occur, if it is
a time of day, when that time of day occurs in the Acka Day, and
if a day or date, it shall begin and end when the corresponding Acka
Day begins and ends.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Amend R 565 to remove all occurrances of the string "EDT"

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Amend R 609 to remove all occurrances of the string " Eastern time"

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Amend R 1023 to remove all occurrances of the 
string "(based on New York Time)".

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

Amend R 1240 to replace the following: 
 
"The time zone used for the purposes of this rule is that from which
the announcement was sent, unless Acka should ever have an official
time zone, in which case this rule defers to that of the official time
zone."

with:

""Days" and "dates" as used in this rule are said to begin and end when
the Acka Day begins and ends"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:52:57 -0500
From: T Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 115 (Calvin N Hobbes) 

>Calvin N Hobbes has been selected to judge the following, and has
>3 days to accept or decline the appointment.

CnH accepts.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 04:44:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Time Zone again

> RFC - v1 - Acka Day - Malenkai

> {{[so far two time zone proposals have failed. 

I voted against the last one because I objected to making a short, buggy
proposal and immediately making another short, buggy proposal to try to
fix it, rather than retracting it and submitting a fixed version.  This is
not always possible with big rules, but should be done with little ones.

Your proposal looks good; I have no other comments.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:24:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Time Zone again

On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> RFC - v1 - Acka Day - Malenkai

How big of an inconvenience is using US Eastern time as the official time 
for our Israeli players?

Guy Fawkes

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:15:52 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Time Zone again

On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, robert gene shimmin wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:
> 
> > RFC - v1 - Acka Day - Malenkai
> 
> How big of an inconvenience is using US Eastern time as the official time 
> for our Israeli players?
> 
> Guy Fawkes
> 
For me it's seems very inconvenient. Normally I'd have to subtract 7,
except for a few weeks now when I have to subtract 6, because Israel is no
longer on Daylight Savings Time, and the US is.
I suppose for some people it would make sense to start the day on 7am,
which would be the effect (most of the time, except when it won't) for me,
I'm not sure it makes much sense for me.
That's when we're talking about dates. 

IMO, if we are to adopt an official time zone, the most reasonable one is
GMT. I'm posting all PartyChess stuff in GMT, the movelog is also in
GMT, one reason is that the information is already in the e-message.

Israel, bttw, is on GMT+2
Niccolo Flychuck

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:33:09 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1263

On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > One of them will necessarily go on vacation first, and 7 days will pass
> > first (or e will anounce the length of the Vacation beforehand). Once one
> > of them has forfeit, there is no longer any Duel, and it doesn't matter
> > whether or not the latter is on Vacation or not
> 
> This is false.  If both abstain on a proposal, for example, and the 
> proposal fails to achieve quorum, both will go on vacation at the same
> time.  I'm sure there are other times where 2 players could go on 
> vacation simultaneously.
> 
> The odds of this occurring seem low, but it would be nice to cover it,
> because it *could* happen.
> 
> Malenkai
>
Right. This should be covered in an ammendment, once this proposal passes.
My suggestion for the ammendment would be that if both players go on a
vacation longer than 7 days, or both go on a second vacation during the
Duel procedure, or one of them goes on a Vacation longer than 7 day, and
the second goes on a second Vacation during the same Duel procedure
{{[just to keep everything consistenet with the rest of the rule]}}
simultaneously, then the Duel is cancelled.  I don't see anything else
that could, or should be done about the Duel.

Niccolo Flychuck

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:03:38 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fat Lady

The Fat Lady is singing.  I actually announced this at 19:59 EDT, but
I was at a party, so it took a long time for the message to actually
make it to the public forum.

The cycle lasted 29 days, 9 hours, and 54 minutes.  The vacationers
remain in the game.

I shall assume the scores on the web page are correct end of cycle
scores, except for possible adjustment for P 1218, and Habeous Corpus
for CFJ 269.  I will post updated player money balances and entities
on my page when I do my other work.

Chartreuse Goose Eggs would be given to the following:

0       Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain)
0       fon                  I   (Adrian Smith) 
0       Robert Sevin         I   (Mitchell Harding) 
0       "Tim"                N   (Tim Carter)
- -5      Pascal               I   (Jason Reed) 
- -7      breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
- -32     Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 

Malenkai
Assistant to the Financier
Speaker

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 22:36:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Final Scores for cycle 7

The scores at the end of cycle 7 are the same as the last announced ones,
except for the possibility that if some CFJ is overturned, P1218 is considered
invalid, and these score changes are un-done:

Sep 18 14:07 EDT: -4 Wayne: p1218 (author,yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 Malenkai: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 Bash: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 Techno: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 Guy Fawkes: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 IdiotBoy: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 skinny: p1218 (yes)
Sep 18 14:07 EDT: +3 Uncle Sam: p1218 (yes)

These changes will not affect who was the gnome buddy for any proposal,
nor will they make Malenkai win earlier.

Score   Ackanomic Name   Status  Real Name
- -----   --------------      ---  -------------
297     Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall)
194     /dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis)
120     Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
90      Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman)
78      IdiotBoy             A   (Matt Miller)
77      Guy Fawkes           A   (Robert Shimmin)
70      Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck)
51      Bash                 A   (Erez Bashan)
41      Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw)
38      this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein)
24      Uncle Sam            A   (Sam Peterson)
22      mr cwm               A   (Eric Murray)
21      Bascule              A   (Matt Black)
21      skinny               A   (Shlomi Bernthal)
18      Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke)
13      ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger)
13      snowgod              A   (Phil Ackley)
6       fnord                A   (Michael Thomas)
0       Calvin N Hobbes      A   (Thierry Joffrain)
0       fon                  I   (Adrian Smith)
0       Robert Sevin         I   (Mitchell Harding)
0       "Tim"                N   (Tim Carter)
- -5      Pascal               I   (Jason Reed)
- -7      breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
- -32     Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard)

/dev/joe
Scorekeeper

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 22:56:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Acka: Other duties

I will be gone from Ackanomic most or all of the day tomorrow.
I will be playing other games. :-)  I will be in Dallas for a pre-release
tournament for Magic: the Gathering's next expansion set.
I will not be going on vacation because I will only be gone for one day.

I do want to take care of my duties before I leave.

Scorekeeper:
All scores are 0.  There is no gnome buddy.  See previous message for
scores at the end of the last cycle.

Map-Harfer:
I need to work on the list of entities and their locations.
If anything here is wrong, let me know.

All players are in their homes, except breadbox is in the Library.

There's a slew of unowned entities in the Treasury -- see the financier's
report.  I don't think any other entities have locations specified.

Web-Harfer:
The web pages should be reasonably well updated.

/dev/joe

------------------------------

End of Ackanomic Digest V1 #253
*******************************