Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #238
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest      Monday, September 16 1996      Volume 01 : Number 238

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:33:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: T-Shirts

I'll buy one.  Would the financier please transfer 10 A$ from my account 
to frozenwaterdiety's.

By the way, I do hope frozenwaterdiety remembers this gesture when it 
comes time to hire a manager for his re-election bid.

Guy Fawkes

On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:

> Per R115, I have found a stack of 27 unprotected T-shirts, that have
> existed since the begining of time (apearantly, for I did not create them),
> or at least since the beginning of ackanomic.  I can only attribute it to
> providence (thank you golden frog) that I have located them at a time when
> they are so appropriate.
> 
> In any event, I am selling the t-shirts (which read "I Survived the PF
> Email Blizzard of '96") for A$10 a piece.
> 
> frozenwaterdiety
> pushing it
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:19:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Too much time on my hands

Malenkai wrote:
> Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> 
> > One thing about that page that I always thought would be nice is to put
> > all the icons for the various things on one line after all the text
> > associated with a player. 
> 
> Do you mean in addition to the way it is now, or instead of?  I actually
> like the way you originally did it, but will prototype them at the
> bottom.

I meant "instead of".  This was one of the things I was too lazy to do
myself, though, so I won't be upset if you don't do it. :-)

> > > Bascule: vacation 9/12, on ice 9/15
> > 
> > Bascule's mail is bouncing; I will move him to the digest list, and I don't
> > guess there's much else I can do, since he's already on vacation.
> 
> You may have to check the rules to see if it changes his expected
> duration, as the act still may "place him on vacation".

Since he's apparently already on ice, even if it does change his expected
duration, it doesn't un-ice him, so the 14 and 90 day on-ice events will
still occur, 14 and 90 days from today.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:15:41 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: POLL

So far, I've had 11 players respond to the POLL.  Remember, if all
active players respond (currently there are 19 such, by the Acka
definition), then there is a bounty of A$50 to a random respondant.

I am increasing the bounty by A$2 for each day before the deadline
all players respond.  That deadline is Sep 28. 

Anyway, the question was, "How did you find out about the game (links,
search engines, newsgroups, word of mouth, etc)?".

Indicate if you do *not* want your response published.

Malenkai
unofficial pollster

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:34:17 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: POLL

> Anyway, the question was, "How did you find out about the game (links,
> search engines, newsgroups, word of mouth, etc)?".
> 
Working on a contract at a large electronic information publishing company
(as I would say if I was a game show).   Got bored in a meeting.  Jacked
into the net.  Looking at some GEB stuff.  Links into Metamagical Themas
stuff.  Links to Nomic stuff. (It's so Web-like out there).  Spent alot of
time looking at the Imperial (Fascist) version.  Nothing really caught my
fancy til I saw the Acka pages.  Plenty of controversy, and plenty of fun. 
Or so the Germans would have us believe!

> Indicate if you do *not* want your response published.
> 
> Malenkai
> unofficial pollster

IdiotBoy
Unofficial moron

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:39:38 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Moron

Oh boy, can I be the OFFICIAL moron of Ackanomic now, for not even THINKING
about my reply-tos?

IB
- --
Matt Miller
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:47:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Moron

Only if you can get a proposal passed naming you the Official Moron :)

(In fact, I think I'll write one now! ;)  )

On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Matt Miller wrote:

> Oh boy, can I be the OFFICIAL moron of Ackanomic now, for not even THINKING
> about my reply-tos?
> 
> IB
> --
> Matt Miller
> [email-masked]
> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:33:41 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: PFBonds New Quotes

> Buying:
> 
> PFHabeous (20 @ A$130)
> PFbreadbox (25 @ A$50)
> PFTechno  (20 @ A$120)
> PFThinMan (10 @ A$75)
> 
> Selling:
> 
> PFIdiotBoy (30 @ (A$300 || 30 PFWayne || 50 PFGuy))
> PFMalenkai (10 @ A$180)
> 
> Not much commentary today, this being the day the Hot Tips Newsletter comes
> out-
> IdiotBoy
> --
> Matt Miller
> [email-masked]
> 
> 
SOLD!

20 PFTechno @ A$120

Financier please make note.

Techno
"Don't learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade."

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:33:41 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 286 (Techno)

I accept judgeship on this CFJ.

Techno

> Techno has been chosen, and has 3 days to accept/decline.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgement 286
>   Subject: Gadget Precedence Paradox
> Initiator: Malenkai
>     Judge: Techno (selected Sep 15, 1996, 10:32h New York Time)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> 
> The legality of the owner of the Green Tomato gadget (made from the
> Blueprint for a Green Tomato, described below), should such things exist, 
> trading that gadget after the owner of a Scroll of Crumble has attempted
> to destroy that particular Green Tomato gadget via the Scroll of Crumble,
> cannot be determined with finality.
> 
> Malenkai's Reasoning:
> 
> Now that I have a little more time, digging through the problems gadgets
> and blueprints have, once again (the pseudo-rule problem).  Also, more
> incentive to vote YES and bring that Chartreuse Goose on-line!  I believe
> this one is pretty solid however.
> 
> Sorry for the Byzantine statement, but there are a few legal requirements
> of R 589 and R 219 to comply with.  A better statement might have been:
> "There exists a paradox in Gadget precedence", and that is the gist of
> this paradox CFJ claim; that if two gadgets have conflicting behaviour
> or specifications, there is no way to determine with finality which 
> specification shall hold sway.  Trust me, that is what the statement
> says :).
> 
> The Blueprint for a Green Tomato:
> 
> The Green Tomato is indestructable.  Its owner may use the title "Willy
> Nilly" by publically announcing that they are doing so. This is the last
> sentence of the Blueprint for a Green Tomato.
> 
> >From the Blueprint archive, the Blueprint for a Scroll of Crumble:
> 
> > The owner of a Scroll of Crumble may Read it by announcing its text
> > (which the player may make up) publicly. Upon doing so that player must
> > indicate some existing gadget. That gadget is then destroyed. If the
> > gadget was indestructible, three points are deducted from the score of
> > the Scroll of Crumble's owner. Lastly, if the Scroll of Crumble still
> > exists, it is destroyed, too. 
> 
> The Green Tomato makes explicit that it is indestructable.  The Scroll
> of Crumble makes explicit that it destroys the target gadget (Green
> Tomato).  Which holds precedence?  Is it destroyed?  It cannot be 
> determined with finality, therefore we do not know if the owner retains
> the Green Tomato, therefore its tradability cannot be determined with
> finality.  
> 
> I note that the Scroll of Crumble specifies a penalty for destroying an
> indestructable gadget, but that sentence does not explicitly say in
> such case that the target will not be destroyed; in fact, it implies the
> opposite with the word "was" when referring to the [alledgedly] destroyed
> gadget.  No way out there.
> 
> In other notes, I note that the Green Tomato is a hypothetical Blueprint.
> I have some question about doing that, but it is the exact same case as
> the hypothetical contract in CFJ 256.
> 
> I have submitted a proposal to fix this problem, for what it is worth.
> 
> Upon a verdict of TRUE which is not appealed, the initiator wins the 
> cycle in accordance with R 219.
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 22:45:25 +0000
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Latest Bond Quotes

> 
> Selling: 10 PFMalenka @ A$190
> 
> Malenkai
> Bond trader
> 
>

Buying 10 PFMalenka @ A$190.

Financier please make note.

Techno 
"Don't learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade."

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:41:01 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:  PFBond Sales Update

Selling:

PFTechno (20 @ 1 of Malenkai's Prosthetic Foreheads)

IdiotBoy
- --
Matt Miller
[email-masked]

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:37:11 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Latest Bond Quotes

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> >
> > Selling: 10 PFMalenka @ A$190
> >
> > Malenkai
> > Bond trader
> >
> >
> 
> Buying 10 PFMalenka @ A$190.
> 
> Financier please make note.

I acknowledge, and concur, with this transaction, Mr. Financier.

Malenkai
Bond trader

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 23:47:24 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: (NoneYet)

>In accordance with the decision of the members of (None Yet), I am the 
>new swinger for (None Yet). tinan's confirmation should make this official.

I confirm this.

tinan

- --      Mike Epstein            "Never go to a doctor whose
    [email-masked]         office plants have died."
   [email-masked]                    --Erma Bombeck
http://www.bozosoft.com/mike/   

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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:50:01 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:  PFBond Sales Update

Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> Selling:
> 
> PFTechno (20 @ 1 of Malenkai's Prosthetic Foreheads)

I remove my prosthetic forehead I am wearing.

I confirm the trade of that prosthetic forehead, with the golden frog
on, it for 20 PFTechno.

Malenkai
Bond Trader

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