Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #226
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest     Thursday, September 12 1996     Volume 01 : Number 226

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:07:39 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1229

Proposal 1229 - Thu Sep 12 13:07:39 EDT 1996
The Flamingo Hotel
Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)

This Rule establishes a Hotel Named The Flamingo Hotel.  It is a classy
building.

The Flamingo Hotel is located on E Flamingo Rd,  where it intersects
Yellow Roosevelt Ave.

The Flamingo Hotel consists of two floors,  each capable of accomodating
an indeterminate number of people.  The second floor comprises an
infinite number of luxury suites,  and 2 small economy rooms (each
approximately the size of snowgod's semipermanent Gaol cell).  The first
is a casino / lounge combination delivering the best in live
entertainment and the most honest games of chance in Ackanomia.  {The
floor show is temporarily closed while the hotel management searches for
a new headliner act.}

The games of chance offerred byy the Flamingo Hotel include Craps, 
Chuck-a-Luck,  Blackjack,  Poker,  Roulette,  and of course Slots.
{Currently the slot machines are down for maintenance.} {We are looking
for a new croupier to start Craps.  Our last one was fired for using
loaded dice.} {The Chuck-a-Luck cages is still broken.} {Our Blackjack
dealers are all out with the flu right now;  but we hope they are back on
their feet soon.} {Our Poker tables were badly smashed up in the last
raid.  They should be repaired soon,  we hope.} {Will whoever stole our
Roulette Ball please return it? We have guests who are starting to get
annoyed.  We may have to use the Gumball,  as long as it's not on
Wednsday or Thursday.}

Any Player staying in the Flamingo Hotel may partake of any or all the
games of chance e chooses,  as long as they are available.  The Flamingo
Hotel takes A$ cash,  Points or PFBonds as wagers.  We also accept
Gadgets,  awards,  and tradeable entities as collateral for wagers. 
Payoff odds for individual games may be found at each gaming table. 
Players not staying at the Hotel are limited to one play of one game per
day.

The rates for staying at the Flamingo Hotel are:
$50 per two plays of any game (or $50 per day for those not playing) for
the luxury suites.
$5 per two plays of any game for the small economy rooms.

Players caught cheating may be evicted from the Flamingo Hotel and/or
Barred For Life.  This paragraph takes Precedence over Rule 1018.

[Text contained in "{}" above apply to games of chance and activities
that do not yet exist. When,  and if,  such games do exist,  the text and
brackets for that particular game will automatically delete from the text
of this Rule.  If all such text is deleted from this Rule,  this
paragraph will be deleted from this Rule.  This paragraph takes
Precedence over all mutable Rules concerning self deleting text.]

{{The initial owner of the Flamingo Hotel is Habeous Corpus.}}

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:07:26 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Return from Vacation

mr cwm wrote:
> 
> To:   Ackanomians
> From: mr cwm
> 
> I hereby return from vacation, and wonder aloud what has happened in my
> absence to make pfBonds worth buying.
> 
> I intend to review the rules soon, but would welcome advice on anything I
> must do soon (like vote against something).

There are several CFJs appealed to the SC.  They are on the CotC page.
ThinMan was acting justice in your stead.  E-mail him or myself for
more details.

Clerk of the Courts

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:49 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1222

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Proposal 1222 - Thu Sep 12 11:48:22 EDT 1996
> Sigh, Malenkai, Sigh...
> /dev/joe  (Joseph DeVincentis)
> 
> This is a modest proposal.
> 
> Amend rule 1116, section 2.a. by changing the first "[" to "(" and
> changing the first "]" to ")".

I point out that this proposal will un-neuter party gravity, even if it
is found to not contain a paradox.

If we cannot get 2/3 support to repeal that rule, we can at least get
the support to keep it neutered, by voting NO here.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:18:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1229

> Proposal 1229 - Thu Sep 12 13:07:39 EDT 1996
> The Flamingo Hotel
> Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)

This proposal is a paradox win CFJ (maybe more than one) waiting to happen.
Just say no.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:20:03 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rere:P1177-1179 results

[email-masked] wrote:

> Here are the voting results for : 1179
>   Proposal 1179 - Tue Sep 03 12:04:37 EDT 1996
>   The Evolution of Cooperation
>   Malenkai  (Randy Hall)
> 
> Quorum met : 19 eligible voters -- 16 players cast votes
> 
> 11 YES votes   6 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
> Proposal FAILS

Once again, the gnome squeaks by by one measly vote.  5 little
quid to the Tammany would have killed it.  Ironically, the gnome
voted for this proposal.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:29:46 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1222

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> > 
> > Proposal 1222 - Thu Sep 12 11:48:22 EDT 1996
> > Sigh, Malenkai, Sigh...
> > /dev/joe  (Joseph DeVincentis)
> > 
> > This is a modest proposal.
> > 
> > Amend rule 1116, section 2.a. by changing the first "[" to "(" and
> > changing the first "]" to ")".
> 
> I point out that this proposal will un-neuter party gravity, even if it
> is found to not contain a paradox.
> 
> If we cannot get 2/3 support to repeal that rule, we can at least get
> the support to keep it neutered, by voting NO here.
> 
> Malenkai
>
I think /dev/joe's solution is much better than Malenkai's.
Malenkai may have missed it but if he really wants to postpone giving out
SwingVotes, which someone might propose to ammend to something else
anyway, we could raise RoundFreq. 
I'll suggest it to  Party-Hall, I only two more Swingers to agree to get a
majority in Party-Hall, which means that exactly one week after the
decision, RoundFreq will be updated. Malenkai appears to suggest that we
just go on with an alegged paradox. I find this very surprising. Actually,
I'd shave the +0.4 from the end of that clause as well.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:26:48 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 277 (Niccolo)

Brinjal failed to respond.

Sep 12 13:26 EDT: -10 Brinjal: Failed to respond to CFJ 277

Niccolo Flychuck has been chosen, and has 3 days to accept/decline.

Clerk of the Courts
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 277
  Subject: Suspending the Suspended Sentence
Initiator: /dev/joe
    Judge: this is not a name (declined to judge)
2nd Judge: Robin Hood (declined to judge)
3rd Judge: Brinjal (failed to respond)
4th Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected Sep 12, 1996, 13:26h New York Time)
Judgement:

Statement:

The "sentence" part of the penalty assigned to this is not a name
by IdiotBoy in CFCJ 113 is not one of the allowed classes of penalties
for a CFCJ, so this part of the penalty should be ignored.

Reasoning:

That penalty was:

  A SENTENCE of 2 days in the Gaol for this is not a name, suspended until
  such time as another CFCJ judgement or TRUE is returned against this is
  not a name.
 
Rule 710 allows for a sentence in Gaol to be given as a penalty on a
CFCJ judged TRUE, but it specifically defines when the sentence should be
carried out.  No rule allows for a "suspended sentence" to be given.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:31:25 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rere:P1177-1179 results

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> > Here are the voting results for : 1179
> >   Proposal 1179 - Tue Sep 03 12:04:37 EDT 1996
> >   The Evolution of Cooperation
> >   Malenkai  (Randy Hall)
> > 
> > Quorum met : 19 eligible voters -- 16 players cast votes
> > 
> > 11 YES votes   6 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
> > Proposal FAILS
> 
> Once again, the gnome squeaks by by one measly vote.  5 little
> quid to the Tammany would have killed it.  Ironically, the gnome
> voted for this proposal.
> 
> Malenkai
> 
Ironically, you voted against P1177.
This appears to me contradictory to your recent posting. Please correct me
if I'm wrong (P1177 was an ammendment of convenience, rather than a
glaring bug, but I can get the same results with a CFJ if I need to)

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:32:20 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1222

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Malenkai appears to suggest that we
> just go on with an alegged paradox. I find this very surprising.

Actually, I have suggested repealing the rule.  The paradox is harmless,
if it is indeed found to be there.  To be honest, I did not consider the
effect of playing with the alledged paradox, but since we are doing so
now, I see no threat.  We played a long time with the paradox in R 545,
and nothing happened.  Both isolated, minor, paradoxi.

You also supported repealing the rule.  I'm suprised that you now suggest
amendments.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:42:02 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1230

Proposal 1230 - Thu Sep 12 13:42:01 EDT 1996
Actually *reducing* the incentive to vote "No"
/dev/joe  (Joseph DeVincentis)

Amend rule 207, by changing "3 points." both times it occurs to:

 "3 points, except for those players who have received 9 points or more from
 this rule for voting YES and/or NO on the previous 10 proposals (by number)."

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:43:18 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rere:P1177-1179 results

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Ironically, you voted against P1177.

I am missing the irony.

> This appears to me contradictory to your recent posting. Please correct me
> if I'm wrong (P1177 was an ammendment of convenience, rather than a
> glaring bug, but I can get the same results with a CFJ if I need to)

As did 6 other voting entities.  I'm not sure why you wish to know 
my reasoning for voting no, and none other, but I felt:

a) it should have been a CSR
b) it should have been Modest, failing that (the CSRR may have been on vaca)
c) that its passage would have no effect on game play whatsoever, and
thus did not merit the full 10 points it author would receive.

I don't ever remember stating that I supported amendments of this nature.
In fact, I have made clear my support of the Modest proposal and CSR
concept for this type of thing.  I use CSRs, and this is a way I can
encourage others to do so.  If I am willing to sacrifice my score
via a CSR, for everyone's convienence, I can only encourage that in
others as well.  

I'm not sure what contradiction you are referring to.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:04:15 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231

Proposal 1231 - Thu Sep 12 14:04:15 EDT 1996
Power to the Parties
Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)

All active members of Underworld and FUN shall have A$100 transfered from
the Treasury to thier personal accounts every Thursday morning.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:09:51 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231

I need to players who are not a member of FUN or UW to contact me about
voting for this proposal.  I am willing to discuss any reasonable terms.

Wayne

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:12:05 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: CFJ 283 (breadbox) 

I urge breadbox, should he choose to accept judgement on CFJ 283, to defer
judgement until the verdict of CFJ 284 is returned.  It is my firm belief
that none of the entities ostensibly created in the recent rash of such
activities were, in fact, created at all.  If the verdict on CFJ 284 is
TRUE, as I certainly think it should be, then it seems to me that a
judgement of INVALID is indicated for CFJ 283.

ThinMan

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:13:05 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rere:P1177-1179 results

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > Ironically, you voted against P1177.
> 
> I am missing the irony.
The irony is that you constantly complain of bugs in the PartyChess rules.
P1177 was intended to fix a mostly harmless bug, and that is that it might
be more convenient not to have two different pieces, one marked by "Z" and
one marked by "z". Sure, after a couple of minutes one can tell the
difference, but why leave this inconvenience.

> 
> As did 6 other voting entities.  I'm not sure why you wish to know 
> my reasoning for voting no, and none other, but I felt:
They did not take it upon themselves to provide constructive criticisms
for PartyChess, which I always welcome, since I want that game to be
played.

> b) it should have been Modest, failing that (the CSRR may have been on vaca)
> c) that its passage would have no effect on game play whatsoever, and
> thus did not merit the full 10 points it author would receive.
Would you have supported it were it a modest proposal?

> encourage others to do so.  If I am willing to sacrifice my score
> via a CSR, for everyone's convienence, I can only encourage that in
> others as well.  
This is not about scores. If you like, I'll include a clause that gives
the points  I would get for the proposal.

> 
> I'm not sure what contradiction you are referring to.

Something about cleaning up rules. As I stated before, I might be mistaken
in this.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:19:53 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1222

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Malenkai wrote:

> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > Malenkai appears to suggest that we
> > just go on with an alegged paradox. I find this very surprising.
> 
> Actually, I have suggested repealing the rule.  The paradox is harmless,
> if it is indeed found to be there.  To be honest, I did not consider the
> effect of playing with the alledged paradox, but since we are doing so
> now, I see no threat.  We played a long time with the paradox in R 545,
> and nothing happened.  Both isolated, minor, paradoxi.
> 
> You also supported repealing the rule.  I'm suprised that you now suggest
> amendments.

I am exploring possibilities. For now, this proposal seems much better
than yours.  I am considering both. I urge all other players to do the
same.

Just because I could make more points by voting for your proposal to
repeal Party Gravity is not reason enough to favor it over other
proposals, that might provide us with better solutions.

It is my opinion that many Players will be interested in this.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:14:07 -0400
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SVH

Due to an oversight on either the part of the Registrar, or the Speaker,
I do not believe a mad hatter was assigned for mr cwm, thus he has
no SVH to admire :(, or at least didn't admire it.

I don't have time to check on this right now, but he
should have his SVH; I'm certain he was gone in excess of 2 weeks.

Would this fall under correctable non-performance under Steve's essay?
Can we go back in time and assign a mad hatter?  As soon as one is 
assigned, will they lose 3 points instantly.  If it was I who forgot,
I will assign one tonight, and let the judges and courts worry about
the legal issues.

Malenkai
likes SVH type rules

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:28:49 +0000
From: Bascule <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231

> Proposal 1231 - Thu Sep 12 14:04:15 EDT 1996
> Power to the Parties
> Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)
> 
> All active members of Underworld and FUN shall have A$100 transfered from
> the Treasury to thier personal accounts every Thursday morning.

You've got my vote. You know, prior to this, I had thought of 
Underworld as a dangerous power-hungry organisation, but now I can 
see how wrong I was.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:36:26 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official: Finances 

Ackazens,

Here are the most recent accounts, as of 2:00 EST, 9/12/96.  There has been
alot of activity lately, so please scrutinize these results.  They also
include some corrections to the initial balances of some of the recent
players.  Please request the log if you want the details.

ThinMan
Financier

%%%

Stats:
Ackadollars in circulation:
A$ 14,061

Ackadollars held by Players:
A$ 11,368

Ackadollars held by undead:
A$ 2,683

Orkatass Lawn Care Company and Motor Inn:
A$ 10

Treasury:
A$ 60,939

Average Per Player (25 players):
A$ 454

The following entities are stored in the Treasury:

The Gumball, The Voting Gnome, Tammany, Phoebe, The Fat Lady, An endless
supply and endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads, The Brass Monkey, The
Map of Ackanomia, The Rules of Ackanomic, the Proposals of Ackanomic, the
Judgements of Ackanomic, the three Blueprints currently in existence, and
every other legal document of Ackanomic, Game custom, The Ackanomic Afterlife,
the Senate Building, the Free Market, the Treasury, the Gaol, the Library, and
every other public building, Scads of PFs of fromer players, An infinite
number of points, The Great Trombone of Ackanomia, and probably a few others.
- --------

Name of Player [Acka Name]
A$xxx           nnn PFxxx       Other entities

/dev/joe
A$869           100 PF/dev      Prosthetic Forehead

Bascule
A$343           100 PFBascule   2 Newspapers, Big Blue Thing

Bash
A$460           100 PFBash

breadbox
A$521           100 PFbreadbo

Brinjal
A$400           100 PFBrinjal

Calvin N Hobbes
A$249           100 PFCalvin

chess piece face (u)
A$278           100 BPs

De'ghew (u)
A$412           100 BPs

fnord
A$430           100 PFfnord

fon
A$337           100 PFfon

Geezer
A$417           100 PFGeezer

Guy Fawkes
A$305           100 PFGuy, 30 PFHabeous, 30 PFNiccolo

Habeous Corpus
A$630           70 PFHabeous   Whamiol

IdiotBoy
A$560           30 PFIdiotBo, 25 PFTechno

Kelly Martin(u)
A$316           100 Bond promissories

Malenkai
A$925           100 PFMalenka   Prosthetic Forehead

Mellon
A$635           100 PFMellon

Mohammad(u)
A$440           100 BPs

mr cwm
A$372           100 PFmr        2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Niccolo Flychuck
A$220           70 PFNiccolo, 20 PFIdiotBo, Scroll of Crumble,
                Prosthetic Forehead

pTang1001001sos(u)
A$601           100 BPs, Blue Cross

Pascal
A$306           100 PFPascal

Robert Sevin
A$313           100 PFRobert

Robin Hood
A$336           100 PFRobin

Simon Marty Harriman (u)
A$308           100 BPs

frozenwaterdeity
A$466           100 PFsnowgod   Electronic Potato, 2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Techno
A$400           75 PFTechno, 50 PFIdiotBo, 25PFsnowgod

The Great Old One(u)
A$328           100 BPs

ThinMan
A$528           100 PFThinMan

"Tim"
A$334           100 PFTim

this is not a name
A$453           100 PFthis

Wayne
A$559           100 PFWayne

Undead are marked with "(u)".

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: mr cwm <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SVH

I believe the Mad Hatter has 3 days from the time of selection to post the
description of the SVH.  A Mad Hatter should have been selected on or
about Sep 2, upon my being on vacation for 14 days.  No time limit for
selection of the Mad Hatter is specified - this would come under the rule
that requires officers to discharge their duties in a timely way.  Anyway,
I don't think the Mad Hatter can be penalized, but perhaps the responsible
officer can.

I'm looking forward to receiving my SVH - the mere thought of it fills me
with admiration.

- -mr cwm

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Randy Hall wrote:

> Due to an oversight on either the part of the Registrar, or the Speaker,
> I do not believe a mad hatter was assigned for mr cwm, thus he has
> no SVH to admire :(, or at least didn't admire it.
> 
> I don't have time to check on this right now, but he
> should have his SVH; I'm certain he was gone in excess of 2 weeks.
> 
> Would this fall under correctable non-performance under Steve's essay?
> Can we go back in time and assign a mad hatter?  As soon as one is 
> assigned, will they lose 3 points instantly.  If it was I who forgot,
> I will assign one tonight, and let the judges and courts worry about
> the legal issues.
> 
> Malenkai
> likes SVH type rules
> 

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:46:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Finances

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, John Bollinger wrote:

> frozenwaterdeity
> A$466           100 PFsnowgod   Electronic Potato, 2 Prosthetic Foreheads
> 
> Techno
> A$400           75 PFTechno, 50 PFIdiotBo, 25PFsnowgod

Is this a typo, or was an extra 25 PFsnowgod created sometime that I'm 
not aware of?

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:57:31 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: whispers half-truths and insinuations

It has been recently communicated to me privately, and for that reason I
can't name any names, that a lot of players have complained abot my posts.

I will appreciate it if in the future, anyone who has a problem with me or
my posts will do me the courtesy of communicating it to me directly.

Thas is of course unless you have something to hide, or something to be
ashamed of.

Right now I am in the awkward position of almost everybody acting very
amicably on the public forum, but I can't ignore the insinuations that
have been made.

People, if you have any complaint towards me, tell me about it.

This will definitely clear the air.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:08:05 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: the player previously known as snowgod mentor for the player currently know as "tim"

the Player previously known as snowgod has been selected mentor for the
player currently known as "tim"

The Registrar known as Niccolo Flychuck

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> We have a new player in the game
> his e-mail address is 
> [email-masked]
> his is Tim Carter 
> he has not picked an Ackanomic name yet.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:09:19 +0000
From: Bascule <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Vacation

I'm moving house, so I'm going on vacation.

Expected duration 3 days.

This is quite handy actually, with an SC decision up for appeal; it 
means somebody impartial will make the decision, particularly as mr 
cwm's return from vacation means a completely different SC will 
decide. btw, my recommendation for HC's penalty is 1 point.

btw 2, I'm working on a new edition of The Day Today, which will 
definately include coverage of the PFbond market, and will also cover 
party chess if I have time. I've already been in touch with IdiotBoy, 
if any other bond traders have opinions they would like aired in 
Acka's no.1 newspaper, drop me an Email

Bascule

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:14:55 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Finance

The Financier will please report a transfer of A$199 from IdiotBoy to Bascule
for services rendered.

IdiotBoy
- --
Matt Miller
[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:24:51 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Latest PFBond Quotes

Buying:

PFMalenkai (50 @ A$275) [risk rated AAA by IdiotBoy]
PFGuy  (50 @ A$30) [risk rated B by IdiotBoy]
PFBascule (25 @ A$75) [risk rated AA by IdiotBoy]
PFNiccolo (30 @ A$75) [risk rated A by IdiotBoy]
PFdev  (25 @ A$200)  [risk rated AAA by IdiotBoy]

Selling:

PFIdiotBoy (30 @ 30 PFWayne) [risk rated B+ by IdiotBoy]
PFTechno  (25 @ A$125)  [risk rated AA by IdiotBoy]

As you can see, the market has brought forth some good deals on some of the
higher demand PFBonds.

IdiotBoy

Advertisement:
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:33:23 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Latest PFBond Quotes

 I'm offering 20 PFNiccolo for sale. Just start Bidding.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:34:02 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Latest PFBond Quotes

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Matt Miller wrote:
> PFTechno  (25 @ A$125)  [risk rated AA by IdiotBoy]
>
I accept this deal

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:39:43 -0400
From: "Matt Miller" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Latest PFBond Quotes

 From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
>  I'm offering 20 PFNiccolo for sale. Just start Bidding.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> 

I will buy PFNiccolo  20 @ A$57 

IdiotBoy

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:57:39 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Auction Reminder 

Send your bids to [email-masked] for the amazing Vending Machine!

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:57:43 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Ackanomic: Starting a Trend 

From this day forward, I will vote no on all "Rule Fix" proposals that are
not modest, regardless of quality or need.  I have noticed quite a few
cases of people sponging up the extra points when other people are
rightfully declaring their proposals modest.

Since that is not against the rules, I hope to counteract it with market forces.

BOYCOTT NON-MODEST RULE FIXES!

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:57:47 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231 

>Proposal 1231 - Thu Sep 12 14:04:15 EDT 1996
>Power to the Parties
>Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)
>
>All active members of Underworld and FUN shall have A$100 transfered from
>the Treasury to thier personal accounts every Thursday morning.

Okay, just out of curiosity...

Why Underworld and FUN?  Why not (None Yet) or Vulcan or any other party?

Basically what I'm getting at is what do FUN and Underworld have in common?

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:57:29 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Hey Mr. Financier (again :) 

> From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
>> I am invoking R115 to create an acka enity known as a t-shirt.
>>
>> I am intial creating 27 t-shirts, each of which reads "I survivedd the PF
>> Email Blizzard of '96" and has a picture of the gnome on the back.
>>
>> I will sell thse T-shirts for A$10 a piece.
>
>Ohhhhh, I must have one of them there T-shirts!  Here's my A$10 (ironicallly
>enough earned from the blizzard, I plow snow)

I accept and acknowledge this transaction.

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:57:34 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Acka: Let it snow, let it Snow, let it frozenwater! 

>Matt Miller wrote:
>>
>> I am more than willing to move this discussion to acka-financial, but what
>> if I miss my target audience?  I'm still trying to diversify my
>> portfolio, and the bond market is awfully young.

>I don't mind the e-mail volume, but it has been a problem in the past.

I do not mind the email Volume.  In fact I rather enjoy it.

>As for the bond market, I have some inside information that a major
>Bear Market is just around the corner....  Look at the prices PFsnow is
>trading at.  Speculative excess to be sure.

As for PFbond speculation...

:)

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:02 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Acka: Auction 

The current High Bid for the vending machine is A$35, bid by Habeous Corpus.
Do I hear A$40?

Chief Cheese

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:13:55 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Finances 

>frozenwaterdeity
>A$466           100 PFsnowgod   Electronic Potato, 2 Prosthetic Foreheads

I sold 25 pfsnowgod to techno, and I see that you have it noted under his
accound but not mine.

frozenwaterdiety

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:13:52 -0900
From: [email-masked] (Phil Ackley)
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1229 

>> Proposal 1229 - Thu Sep 12 13:07:39 EDT 1996
>> The Flamingo Hotel
>> Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)
>
>This proposal is a paradox win CFJ (maybe more than one) waiting to happen.
>Just say no.

Once upon a time, if someone didn't like something about a proposal, they
would post a message saying how it could be improved, not just bashing it.
Habeous Corpus is a semi-new player, and is putting a lot of effort into
this game.  If you would like him to write proposals that are up to your
standards, then teach him how...

don't just criticize.

frozenwaterdiety
head of the mind police

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:44:22 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: frozenwaterdiety is mentor for "tim"

You may have missed the previous anouncement becuse of its long subject
line, here it is again, with the proper name.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:04:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Finances

Please send me the log

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:28:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1229

I wrote:
> >> Proposal 1229 - Thu Sep 12 13:07:39 EDT 1996
> >> The Flamingo Hotel
> >> Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)
> >
> >This proposal is a paradox win CFJ (maybe more than one) waiting to happen.
> >Just say no.

snowgod responded:
> Once upon a time, if someone didn't like something about a proposal, they
> would post a message saying how it could be improved, not just bashing it.
> Habeous Corpus is a semi-new player, and is putting a lot of effort into
> this game.  If you would like him to write proposals that are up to your
> standards, then teach him how...
> 
> don't just criticize.

I'm sorry, I didn't have time then to do a detailed reply; there were
several problems with the proposal including, I thought at the time,
possibly as many as three paradoxes.
Let's look at the rule:

>This Rule establishes a Hotel Named The Flamingo Hotel.  It is a classy
>building.
>
>The Flamingo Hotel is located on E Flamingo Rd,  where it intersects
>Yellow Roosevelt Ave.

Good so far.

>The Flamingo Hotel consists of two floors,  each capable of accomodating
>an indeterminate number of people. 

PW-CFJ #1: "Whether or not 10 people can fit in the Flamingo Hotel cannot
be determined with finality."  Reasoning: It says right in the rule that the
number of people that can fit into the hotel is indeterminate.

> The second floor comprises an
>infinite number of luxury suites,  and 2 small economy rooms (each
 [...]
>raid.  They should be repaired soon,  we hope.} {Will whoever stole our
>Roulette Ball please return it? We have guests who are starting to get
>annoyed.  We may have to use the Gumball,  as long as it's not on
>Wednsday or Thursday.}

 This middle part looks ok, though I worry this mention of the Gumball.

>Any Player staying in the Flamingo Hotel may partake of any or all the
>games of chance e chooses,  as long as they are available.  The Flamingo
>Hotel takes A$ cash,  Points or PFBonds as wagers.  We also accept
>Gadgets,  awards,  and tradeable entities as collateral for wagers. 

There is a problem using such things as collateral without any way to
define the A$ value associated with them.  Who decides?

>[Text contained in "{}" above apply to games of chance and activities
>that do not yet exist. When,  and if,  such games do exist,  the text and
>brackets for that particular game will automatically delete from the text
>of this Rule.  If all such text is deleted from this Rule,  this
>paragraph will be deleted from this Rule.  This paragraph takes
>Precedence over all mutable Rules concerning self deleting text.]

This whole paragraph has no effect, due to rule 545.  When I first read this
I thought the precedence claim was over 545, which might be another paradox
of a type we have been smart enough to not write into the rules yet.  Now
I see that it is not, but this is still broken.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:40:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:

> >Proposal 1231 - Thu Sep 12 14:04:15 EDT 1996
> >Power to the Parties
> >Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)
> >
> >All active members of Underworld and FUN shall have A$100 transfered from
> >the Treasury to thier personal accounts every Thursday morning.
> 
> Okay, just out of curiosity...
> 
> Why Underworld and FUN?  Why not (None Yet) or Vulcan or any other party?
> 
> Basically what I'm getting at is what do FUN and Underworld have in common?
> 
> frozenwaterdiety

As a member of FUN, I still don't know, but I might speculate that it's 
because we each have more than the minimum number of players.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:45:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: robert gene shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction

On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:

> The current High Bid for the vending machine is A$35, bid by Habeous Corpus.
> Do I hear A$40?
> 
> Chief Cheese

Yes.

Guy Fawkes.

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 18:45:09 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rere:P1177-1179 results

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Would you have supported it were it a modest proposal?

Yes, probably, although a CSR was indicated.

> > I'm not sure what contradiction you are referring to.
> 
> Something about cleaning up rules. As I stated before, I might be mistaken
> in this.

Cleaning up the rules was never mine, or the FUN Party adjenda.  I have
always been happy with the rules as they were, with a good dose of common
sense.  I'd rather spend time developing the game.  I have attempted to do
alot of it, however, because I promised to do so during the dormancy
crisis, my score has benefited, and it has enabled the game to develop,
and I actually have enjoyed it more that I thought I would when I made
the promise.  /dev/joe has taught me alot :)  The thing I really enjoy 
about it is writing the title of the proposals.

Malenkai

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:07:53 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1231

Bascule wrote:
> 
> > Proposal 1231 - Thu Sep 12 14:04:15 EDT 1996
> > Power to the Parties
> > Wayne  (Wayne Sheppard)
> >
> > All active members of Underworld and FUN shall have A$100 transfered from
> > the Treasury to thier personal accounts every Thursday morning.
> 
> You've got my vote. You know, prior to this, I had thought of
> Underworld as a dangerous power-hungry organisation, but now I can
> see how wrong I was.

I agree.  In fact, I'm pretty much endorsing the entire slate of 
Underworld Party proposals, and intend to vote for them.  They have
brought a financial boost to the game, and have livened it up.  There
are also some other interesting opportunities in the proposals...

I encourage broad-based support of these initiatives.  This coup may 
come up a vote or two short, but I have been given a privileged glimpse
of their strategy, and one of these coups *will* succeed.  I'm sure they
will remember who voted for them, and who opposed the inevitable...

BTW, think the R 432 thing in P 1211 was a typo?  Read the rules.

Malenkai
remember Wayne's quote in response to my party gravity writeup, "a *keen*
interest in party gravity and party chess"..

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:16:06 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

Bascule wrote:

> This is quite handy actually, with an SC decision up for appeal; it
> means somebody impartial will make the decision, particularly as mr
> cwm's return from vacation means a completely different SC will
> decide. btw, my recommendation for HC's penalty is 1 point.

Actually, semi-completely new.  I am appointing ThinMan again.

Malenkai
Speaker

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