Subject: Ackanomic Digest V1 #196
From: [email-masked] (Ackanomic Digest)
To: ackanomic-digest

Ackanomic Digest       Tuesday, August 27 1996       Volume 01 : Number 196

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:54:45 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1141-1148 

>A few of the new players may not realize that Malenkai is attempting to
>make use of the "Consecutive NO votes" rule in order to get one or the
>other of these proposals to pass.  Consult R431.  The wording of R 431
>is sufficient that Malenkai might have a case for players being forced
>to vote for one or another of these proposals.  I recommend choosing
>one of them to vote for at random.  Be aware of your previous voting
>record when you make your choice.
>
>ThinMan
>Freedom Fighter

I am still on vacation, for a few more minutes at least, and I haven't
finished reading all 198 pieces of Ackamail I recieved, but I would like to
throw in my two cents and urge all players to vote PRESENT on these
proposals.

snowgod

snowgod

Ackanomic Ambassador - Liason to Internomic - President
Inventor - Former Senator (seat a)  - Heretic (4 times!) - Former CSRR
Founder, Church of the Markovian Dream - Member, None Yet
Wearing a prosthetic forehead - Fighting Forehead Discrimination

"Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot"

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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:54:58 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official 

I am hereby returning from vacation.  Please remove me from the freezer and
get me some warm potatoes to prevent the onset of hypothermia.

It appears Malenkai has posted the new proposal for internomic, as well as
the voting results.  I was sad to see that Agora was forced tovote against
these proposals.  I have always feared overtly strict rules, and that is
part of the reason why (if your not sure what I'm talking about read
Malenkai's forward from Andre).

Per Ackanomic/Internomic interface I am setting forth a new resonable
method of collecting votes for internomic proposals.  Upon the distrubution
of internomic proposals by myself (in my capacity as ambassador) the
assistant tabulator will solicit votes, preferably for a period of one
week.  At such time, he will publically announce the results, and I will
vote accordingly in internomic.

Should no votes be recieved, I will cast a vote on NO in internomic.

Finally, I'd like to thank Malenkai and Niccolo Flychuck for performing the
duties of my various offices wghile I was on vacation.  I was (not really)
sad to see there were no criminals in the Gaol awaiting a AFP upon my
return :)l.  I was looking forward to cruelly denying someone a pardon :)

snowgod
President
Ambassador
If I was still a senator I would name my seat(s) "Toxic Custard Wall O'Shame"
thinking about what elese I could add to my signiture to make malenkai jealous
still think about what i should add to my signiture
not really deciding on anything
pondering
pondering
sone

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:05:01 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Official. 

On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:

> I am hereby returning from vacation.  Please remove me from the freezer and
> get me some warm potatoes to prevent the onset of hypothermia.

Snowgod is no longer "on-ice". He is back from vacation.

Niccolo Flychuck
Registrar

(I'm getting the hang of this, hope to catch up on everythng by tonight)

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:40:05 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1141-1148

On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:
> 
> I am still on vacation, for a few more minutes at least, and I haven't
> finished reading all 198 pieces of Ackamail I recieved, but I would like to
> throw in my two cents and urge all players to vote PRESENT on these
> proposals.
> 
> snowgod
If all players vote present, and make Quorum, and no one votes no, then
one yes vote would be sufficient to accept them.
Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:47:42 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Yet another portrait ad 

Okay, okay...

I'll be the first to admit that the portrait business isn't booming.
Perhaps A$25 is too much to charge for a portrait.  Perhaps people are just
shy, and do not want to be seen.  Either way, I am offering a new portrait
bargain for you.

I will create a FREE portrait for the first player to respond to this
(requesting my services).  Furthermore, for the duration of this week, I
will offer my services as a portraiteer for the amzing low price of A$10

You won't find a better price.

And remember, FREE "Null Portraits" are available at Portraits-R-Us.  Visit
http://www.alaska.net/~snowgod/acka/portrait.html to download on of these
little beauties for yourself.

snowgod
portraiteer

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:47:52 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gumball 

It is now Tuesday and I am chewing the dried out husk of a Gumball that I
found sticking to the ground.  Been a long time since this little suckers
been chewed at.  Getting lonely in gumball land.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:47:57 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: P1141-1148 

>On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Phil Ackley wrote:
>>
>> I am still on vacation, for a few more minutes at least, and I haven't
>> finished reading all 198 pieces of Ackamail I recieved, but I would like to
>> throw in my two cents and urge all players to vote PRESENT on these
>> proposals.
>>
>> snowgod
>If all players vote present, and make Quorum, and no one votes no, then
>one yes vote would be sufficient to accept them.
>Niccolo Flychuck

You know, you are absolutly correct.  I was thinking of the old system
where a PRESENT vote was a defacto NO.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:49:15 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 265 Verdict

CFJ 265 has been judged TRUE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 265
  Subject: Tabulating Votes for InterNomic Matters
Initiator: Malenkai
    Judge: Simon Marty Harriman (failed to respond)
2nd Judge: Geezer (failed to deliver verdict)
3rd Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected Aug 23, 1996, 17:58h New York Time)

Statement:

The Assistant Tabulator is the officer responsible for tabulating votes
for the purposes of how Ackanomic will vote upon any matter in
Internomic.

Malenkai's Reasoning:

>From R 970:

> Whenever Ackanomic is permitted to vote upon any matter in Internomic,
> the Liaison shall initiate a vote in Ackanomic to determine how he
> should cast Ackanomic's vote in Internomic. The Liaison shall establish
> reasonable procedures for such voting, and shall cast Ackanomic's vote
> in accordance to the results of the vote.

The key phrases are "initiate a vote" and "establish reasonable
procedures".

"Initiate a vote" can be rendered 2 ways, "reasonably".  First would be
to initiate the process of voting within Ackanomic, in accordance with the
rules of Ackanomic, second would be to announce and conduct such vote.

Either rendering leads to the Assistant Tabulator actually conducting
and reporting the vote.

I quote from R 414:

> The Duties of the Assistant Tabulator are:

> (a) to handle solicitation, tabulation, and reporting of votes on all
> Ackanomic matters, excluding Proposals and Resolutions. This includes,
> but is not limited to: [actual list cut]

> This clause (a) and its subsections (a.x), take precedence over any
> other mutable rule which denies the Assistant Tabulator these duties,
> or would define an alternate procedure or officer (including Tabulator),
> to perform them.

Given the first rendering, it falls to the Assistant Tabulator, as that
is the officer which handles "tabulation, and reporting of votes on
all Ackanomic matters, excluding Proposals and Resolutions".  Determining
how Ackanomic should vote in Internomic matters is not a "Proposal"
or "Resolution".

The second rendering indicates that it falls to the Liaison, but R 414
explicity claims precedence: "...or would define an alternate procedure
or officer".  See the quote above.

Having the Assistant Tabulator tabulate and report on these votes is
"a reasonable procedure".  Furthermore, it is what our rules require.
A verdict of TRUE is necessary.

Niccolo Flychuck's Reasoning:

Having considered this matter carefully I find that Malenkai's reasoning
is sound and the only possible verdict is TRUE.

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:51:48 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 272 (snowgod)

Haneous Corpus Declined.

snowgod has been chosen, and has 3 days to accept/decline.

Clerk of the Courts
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 272
  Subject: Party Chess Purchases
Initiator: Niccolo Flychuck
    Judge: Habeous Corpus (declined to judge)
2nd Judge: snowgod (selected Aug 27, 1996, 08:53h New York Time)
 
Statement:
 
Robin Hood did not purchase any PartyChessPieces before this CFJ was
submitted.

Niccolo Flychuck's reasoning:

Basically, the same reasoning for CFJ 271. Note that this is not the same
statement as CFJ 271, and it also requests that the judge make a decision
about the situation at the Robin Hood made his declaration. By the the
time this is distributed Robin Hood might well decide again to make a
pruchase, and I only want to clear up the situation one way or another, I
really don't care which way it goes, I just want to be clear on this.

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:24:27 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1165

Proposal 1165 - Tue Aug 27 10:24:25 EDT 1996
Back Pay
Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

This is a Modest proposal.

{{/dev/joe, ThinMan, and Wayne each have A$24 transferred from the Treasury
to their accounts. [this is to make up for the work that was done as 
Registrar, Financier, and Promoter, that wasn't paid (amount is a guess)]}}

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:25:18 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1166

Proposal 1166 - Tue Aug 27 10:25:15 EDT 1996
Worms
Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

	Acka is infested with slimy bluish-green worms which have 
seethed in from the Wilds of Ackanomia!  These horrors are now infesting
the Ruleset!

	The infestation rate in the ruleset is now low; the infestation
is visible only on the Day of the Party Hall party, each and every month.

	Whenever a worm infestation in the ruleset becomes visible, a
worm will be seen eating a random mutable rule (as chosen randomly and
announced publically by the Speaker).  The worm will have finished eating
the rule, thus repealing it, 3 days from the time of the public 
announcement of the current visible infestation, unless it is stopped
within the 3 days.

	The current visible infestation can only be stopped by summoning
the Mischievous Mongoose (hereafter called the Mongoose) or as specified
elsewhere in the rules.

	The Mongoose is summoned if and only if its fee is paid.
The fee is considered paid if the sum total of all funds committed by 
the players wishing to summon it meet or exceed A$25.  Players commit
funds to the cause of summoning the Mongoose by publically announcing
that they are doing so (and announcing the amount that they are 
committing) during the 3 day period of the current visible infestation.  
Regardless of whether the fee was met, not met, or exceeded, all funds
committed are forfeited to the Treasury.  Once summoned, the Mongoose will
stop the current visible infestation, then become unsummoned.

	This rule has precedence over any mutable rule which would deny
a worm the ability to repeal rules as described above.  This rule
defers precedence to any mutable rule which increases the rate of visible
infestation.

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:25:35 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1167

Proposal 1167 - Tue Aug 27 10:25:34 EDT 1996
As the World Sees Us
Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

Amend R 970 to replace the paragraph which currently reads

"Any Ackanomic Player may request the Liaison to make an InterNomic
Proposal by sending the Proposal to the Liaison, but may only do so
once per week."

with:

"Any Ackanomic Player may request the Liaison to make an InterNomic
Proposal by sending the Proposal to the Liaison, but may only do so
once per week, provided a version of the proposal was submitted for
RFC in either the main forum, a research forum, or an InterNomic
forum."

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:26:41 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1168

Proposal 1168 - Tue Aug 27 10:26:41 EDT 1996
Encouraging Fun
Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

Amend R 207 to replace the paragraphs which currently read:

"If a proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 9 points
and every player who voted NO on it receives 2 points. 

If a proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed it
loses 9 points and every player who voted YES on it receives 1 point." 

with:

"If a proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 10 points
and every player who voted NO on it receives 3 points. 

If a proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed it
loses 7 points and every player who voted YES on it receives 3 points." 

{{[attempting to eliminate the incentive to vote no, and add incentive
to write more interesting (risky) proposals]}}

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:27:00 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Proposal 1169

Proposal 1169 - Tue Aug 27 10:26:59 EDT 1996
ammend 1083
Niccolo Flychuck  (Uri Bruck)

Ammend section 5 of R1083 to read in full:
"A Pawn can only be Placed on one of the columns a,b,s,t, or on one of the
rows 1,2,19,20."

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:28:39 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 1131 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 1131
  Proposal 1131 - Mon Aug 19 15:50:42 EDT 1996
  Silence is Golden
  snowgod  (Phil Ackley)

Quorum met : 15 eligible voters -- 13 players cast votes

8 YES votes   5 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

snowgod loses 9 points.  1 -> -8

8 YES votes:  1 point each
  Robin Hood                                    4 -> 5            
  Malenkai               FUN                   55 -> 56           
  Brinjal                                       1 -> 2            
  Niccolo Flychuck       Vulcan                 0 -> 1            
  snowgod                (None Yet)            -8 -> -7           
  this is not a name     (None Yet)             1 -> 2            
  Techno                 Underworld             0 -> 1            
  Wayne                  Underworld             6 -> 7            

5 NO votes:  
  Mellon                                      =  19               
  ThinMan                Vulcan               =   2               
  Habeous Corpus                              =   6               
  /dev/joe               Vulcan               =  54               
  Pascal                                      =  10               

1 PRESENT votes:
  breadbox                                     =   2

2 ABSTENTIONS:
  Bascule                FUN                  
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  De'ghew                Underworld           
  Calvin N Hobbes        FUN                  
  Robert Sevin                                
  Geezer                                      

New players who are not active:

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:29:19 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 1132 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 1132
  Proposal 1132 - Tue Aug 20 00:16:21 EDT 1996
  Fixing a Loophole I almost Surfed but thought better of
  Malenkai  (Randy Hall)

Quorum met : 15 eligible voters -- 13 players cast votes

8 YES votes   6 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Malenkai loses 9 points.  56 -> 47

8 YES votes:  1 point each
  Malenkai               FUN                   47 -> 48           
  Mellon                                       19 -> 20           
  Niccolo Flychuck       Vulcan                 1 -> 2            
  snowgod                (None Yet)            -7 -> -6           
  /dev/joe               Vulcan                54 -> 55           
  Techno                 Underworld             1 -> 2            
  Wayne                  Underworld             7 -> 8            
  Pascal                                       10 -> 11           

6 NO votes:  
  Robin Hood                                  =   5               
  Brinjal                                     =   2               
  ThinMan                Vulcan               =   2               
  this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   2               
  Habeous Corpus                              =   6               
  breadbox                                    =   2               

0 PRESENT votes:

2 ABSTENTIONS:
  Bascule                FUN                  
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  De'ghew                Underworld           
  Calvin N Hobbes        FUN                  
  Robert Sevin                                
  Geezer                                      

New players who are not active:

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 10:29:53 EDT 
From: [email-masked] ()
Subject: Ackanomic: Prop 1133 Fails

Here are the voting results for : 1133
  Proposal 1133 - Tue Aug 20 00:16:35 EDT 1996
  Burn 'em All
  Habeous Corpus  (Ed Graham)

Quorum met : 15 eligible voters -- 13 players cast votes

6 YES votes   7 NO votes   1 PRESENT votes
Proposal FAILS

Habeous Corpus loses 9 points.  6 -> -3

6 YES votes:  1 point each
  Niccolo Flychuck       Vulcan                 2 -> 3            
  snowgod                (None Yet)            -6 -> -5           
  this is not a name     (None Yet)             2 -> 3            
  Habeous Corpus                               -3 -> -2           
  /dev/joe               Vulcan                55 -> 56           
  Techno                 Underworld             2 -> 3            

7 NO votes:  
  Malenkai               FUN                  =  48               
  Robin Hood                                  =   5               
  Mellon                                      =  20               
  Brinjal                                     =   2               
  ThinMan                Vulcan               =   2               
  Wayne                  Underworld           =   8               
  Pascal                                      =  11               

1 PRESENT votes:
  breadbox                                     =   2

2 ABSTENTIONS:
  Bascule                FUN                  
  mr cwm                 (None Yet)           

Players on Vacation who did not vote:
  fon                                         
  De'ghew                Underworld           
  Calvin N Hobbes        FUN                  
  Robert Sevin                                
  Geezer                                      

New players who are not active:

====================================================
Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
====================================================

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 14:03:04 -0400
From: this is not a name <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gumball

>It is now Tuesday and I am chewing the dried out husk of a Gumball that I
>found sticking to the ground.  Been a long time since this little suckers
>been chewed at.  Getting lonely in gumball land.

You can't do that. It's alternate Wednesdays and Thursdays.

- --      Mike Epstein            "We expect them [Salvadoran officials] 
      [email-masked]           to work toward the elimination of 
  *                      *       human rights."          --Dan Quayle
http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/   

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:46:28 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Question For Registrar 

I have noticed that mr cwm has been abstaining on every proposal lately.  I
could have sworn he had placed himself on vacation a while back, though.
Am I incorrect?

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:56:00 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gumball 

>>It is now Tuesday and I am chewing the dried out husk of a Gumball that I
>>found sticking to the ground.  Been a long time since this little suckers
>>been chewed at.  Getting lonely in gumball land.
>
>You can't do that. It's alternate Wednesdays and Thursdays.
>
>--      Mike Epstein            "We expect them [Salvadoran officials]
>      [email-masked]           to work toward the elimination of
>  *                      *       human rights."          --Dan Quayle
>http://www.nyiq.net/~epstein/

Ah,

In that case I am placing the gumball in my armpit, hoping to soften it up
so that I may chew it more easily when the proper time comes.

snowgod

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:56:33 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official: Bond Cycle 

Ackazens,

Attached are the bond yields for the cycle that ended at 12:00 noon
yesterday.

ThinMan
Financier

%%%%%%%%%

   Acka Name      Last Score       "Current" Score      Yield, A$
      /dev            0                  0                 0 
    Bascule           0                  0                 0 
    breadbo           0                  0                 0
    Brinjal           0                  0                 0
     Calvin           0                  0                 0
    De'ghew           0                  0                 0
      fon             0                  0                 0
     Geezer           0                -10                -5
    Habeous           0                  0                 0
    Malenka           0                  0                 0
     Mellon           0                  0                 0
       mr             0                  0                 0 
    Niccolo           0                  0                 0 
     Pascal           0                  0                 0
     Robert           0                  0                 0
     Robin            0                  0                 0 
    snowgod           0                  0                 0 
     Techno           0                  6                 6 
    ThinMan           0                  0                 0
      this            0                  0                 0 
     Wayne            0                 -3                -1

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:57:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Question For Registrar

> I have noticed that mr cwm has been abstaining on every proposal lately.  I
> could have sworn he had placed himself on vacation a while back, though.
> Am I incorrect?
> 
> snowgod

You are correct.  mr cwm has been on vacation since August 19.
It is so noted on the (former) registrar's page.

/dev/joe
no longer acting registrar

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:57:46 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Official: Finances 

Ackazens,

Here are the most recent financial account standings.  They should be
fully up-to-date.  Please note that with the rewrite of Rule 565 and
the wording of Rule 666 at the end of the last cycle, our most recent
two-week bond cycle started on Friday, August 23 and ended Monday,
August 26.  Yields for that bond cycle were few, and are sent in a
seperate message.

As always, the financial log is available to anyone interested.

ThinMan
Financier

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

List of accounts as of 8/27/96

- ---------
Stats:
Ackadollars in circulation:
A$ 11,617

Average per Player and undead:
A$ 429

Average per Player:
A$ 444

Treasury:
A$ 63,383 

Orkatass Lawn Care Company and Motor Inn:
A$ 10

The following entities are stored in the Treasury:

The Gumball, The Voting Gnome, Tammany, Phoebe, The Fat Lady, An endless
supply and endless variety of Prosthetic Foreheads, The Brass Monkey, The
Map of Ackanomia, The Rules of Ackanomic, the Proposals of Ackanomic, the
Judgements of Ackanomic, the three Blueprints currently in existence, and
every other legal document of Ackanomic, Game custom, The Ackanomic Afterlife,
the Senate Building, the Free Market, the Treasury, the Gaol, the Library, and
every other public building, Scads of PFs of fromer players, An infinite
number of points, The Great Trombone of Ackanomia, and probably a few others.
- --------

Name of Player [Acka Name]
A$xxx		nnn PFxxx       Other entities

/dev/joe
A$713 		100 PF/dev      Prosthetic Forehead, RHG Juice

Bascule
A$311 		100 PFBascule   2 Newspapers, Big Blue Thing

breadbox
A$430           100 PFbreadbo

Brinjal
A$394		100 PFBrinjal

Calvin N Hobbes
A$248		100 PFCalvin

chess piece face (u)
A$278		100 PFchess

De'ghew
A$412   	100 PFDe'ghew

fon
A$337		100 PFfon

Geezer
A$417		100 PFGeezer

Habeous Corpus
A$583           100 PFHabeous	Whamiol

Kelly Martin(u)
A$316           100 Bond promissories

Malenkai
A$839 		100 PFMalenka   Prosthetic Forehead, RHG Juice

Mellon
A$604           100 PFMellon

Mohammad(u)
A$440           100 BPs

mr cwm
A$349 		100 PFmr        2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Niccolo Flychuck
A$378		100 PFNiccolo   Scroll of Crumble, Prosthetic Forehead

pTang1001001sos(u)
A$601           100 BPs, Blue Cross

Pascal
A$301           100 PFPascal

Robert Sevin
A$313		100 PFRobert

Robin Hood
A$348 		100 PFRobin

Simon Marty Harriman (u)
A$312    	100 BPs

snowgod
A$225		100 PFsnowgod   Electronic Potato, 2 Prosthetic Foreheads

Techno
A$570		100 PFTechno

The Great Old One(u)
A$328           100 BPs

ThinMan
A$522 		100 PFThinMan, RHG Juice

this is not a name
A$513 		100 PFthis

Wayne
A$525 		100 PFWayne

Undead are marked with "(u)".

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:42:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <devjoe>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Bond Cycle

> Attached are the bond yields for the cycle that ended at 12:00 noon
> yesterday.
> 
> ThinMan
> Financier

>    Acka Name      Last Score       "Current" Score      Yield, A$
>       /dev            0                  0                 0 
>     Bascule           0                  0                 0 
>     breadbo           0                  0                 0
>     Brinjal           0                  0                 0
>      Calvin           0                  0                 0
>     De'ghew           0                  0                 0
>       fon             0                  0                 0
>      Geezer           0                -10                -5
>     Habeous           0                  0                 0
>     Malenka           0                  0                 0
>      Mellon           0                  0                 0
>        mr             0                  0                 0 
>     Niccolo           0                  0                 0 
>      Pascal           0                  0                 0
>      Robert           0                  0                 0
>      Robin            0                  0                 0 
>     snowgod           0                  0                 0 
>      Techno           0                  6                 6 
>     ThinMan           0                  0                 0
>       this            0                  0                 0 
>      Wayne            0                 -3                -1

If the bond cycle ended at noon Monday, these are not correct.  The
scores I posted yesterday are correct for that time, except snowgod
should have had 2 more points for the magic potato (bringing him up
to zero).  However, I don't see how you come to the interpretation
that a bond cycle ended then.  When cycle 6 ended, the procedure in
rule 666 said "a new two-week bond cycle begins".  Rule 565 says that
the end of a two-week cycle shall be the Monday of the appropriate
week.  I don't see how, by any reading of the rules, this week can
be the "appropriate week".

In any case, here are the scores from noon EDT Monday.

129	/dev/joe             A   (Joseph DeVincentis) 
108	Malenkai             A   (Randy Hall) 
19	Mellon               A   (Niklas Mellin)
10	Pascal               A   (Jason Reed) 
6	Techno               A   (Jerome Herrman) 
6	Habeous Corpus       A   (Ed Graham)
4	Robin Hood           A   (R Shaw) 
3	Wayne                A   (Wayne Sheppard) 
2	ThinMan              A   (John Bollinger) 
2	breadbox             A   (Brian Raiter)
1	Brinjal              A   (Simon Clarke) 
1	this is not a name   A   (Mike Epstein) 
0	Bascule              A   (Matt Black) 
0	Calvin N Hobbes     IV   (Thierry Joffrain)
0	De'ghew              V   (John Spickes) 
0	fon                  V   (Adrian Smith) 
0	mr cwm               V   (Eric Murray) 
0	Robert Sevin         V   (Mitchell Harding) 
0	snowgod              V   (Phil Ackley) 
- -1	Niccolo Flychuck     A   (Uri Bruck) 
- -10	Geezer               A   (David Chapman)

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:04:12 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1168

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 [email-masked] wrote:

> 
> with:
> 
> "If a proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 10 points
> and every player who voted NO on it receives 3 points. 
> 
> If a proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed it
> loses 7 points and every player who voted YES on it receives 3 points." 
> 
> {{[attempting to eliminate the incentiveto vote no, and add incentive
> to write more interesting (risky) proposals]}}

How does increasing the points for voting no eliminate the incentive. It
looks like you've got it backwards. Unless you are thinking of a
Prisoner's dillema variant (?)

Niccolo Flychuck
 > 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:24:03 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Bond Cycle 

>> Attached are the bond yields for the cycle that ended at 12:00 noon
>> yesterday.
>
>If the bond cycle ended at noon Monday, these are not correct.  The
>scores I posted yesterday are correct for that time, except snowgod
>should have had 2 more points for the magic potato (bringing him up
>to zero).

My apologies.  I attempted to derive the scores from the point log, but
I got yesterday's date confused.

>  However, I don't see how you come to the interpretation
>that a bond cycle ended then.  When cycle 6 ended, the procedure in
>rule 666 said "a new two-week bond cycle begins".  Rule 565 says that
>the end of a two-week cycle shall be the Monday of the appropriate
>week.  I don't see how, by any reading of the rules, this week can
>be the "appropriate week".

This is a good argument.  It does not, however, indicate what the correct
day should be.  I will revise the accounts appropriately and submit the
requisite CFJ.

ThinMan
Financier

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:26:30 -0500
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1168 

Niccolo Flychuck wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 [email-masked] wrote:
>> "If a proposal is accepted, the player who proposed it receives 10 points
>> and every player who voted NO on it receives 3 points. 
>> 
>> If a proposal is rejected, but meets quorum, the player who proposed it
>> loses 7 points and every player who voted YES on it receives 3 points." 
>> 
>> {{[attempting to eliminate the incentiveto vote no, and add incentive
>> to write more interesting (risky) proposals]}}
>
>
>How does increasing the points for voting no eliminate the incentive. It
>looks like you've got it backwards. Unless you are thinking of a
>Prisoner's dillema variant (?)

The proposal increases the bonus to the proposer for passage and decreases
the penalty to the proposer for rejection (to 4 points, effectively).

ThinMan

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:34:20 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1168

On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, John Bollinger wrote:

> 
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck wrote:
> >
> >
> >How does increasing the points for voting no eliminate the incentive. It
> >looks like you've got it backwards. Unless you are thinking of a
> >Prisoner's dillema variant (?)
> 
> The proposal increases the bonus to the proposer for passage anddecreases
> the penalty to the proposer for rejection (to 4 points, effectively).
> 
> 
> ThinMan

That's only part of the proposal, as far as the second part is concerned,
I agree entirely that it does exactly what it claims. The first part
however, increases the score for voting no on a proposal, yet is reasoned
as eliminating the incentive for voting no. That part is unclear to me.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:48:03 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Proposal 1168

Uri Bruck wrote: 

> How does increasing the points for voting no eliminate the incentive. It
> looks like you've got it backwards. Unless you are thinking of a
> Prisoner's dillema variant (?)

I did think of prisoner's dilemna, and there is an element in the score
system, but there always has been.  I simply made the points for going 
against the tide the same in each case, rather than make the reward for
voting no 100% better than the reward for voting yes, as it is now.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:52:55 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Official: Bond Cycle

Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
 
> However, I don't see how you come to the interpretation
> that a bond cycle ended then.  When cycle 6 ended, the procedure in
> rule 666 said "a new two-week bond cycle begins".  Rule 565 says that
> the end of a two-week cycle shall be the Monday of the appropriate
> week.  I don't see how, by any reading of the rules, this week can
> be the "appropriate week".

Sorry about that.  When I rewrote the financial stuff, I neglected to
account for the possiblity of the cycle ending before I got the
bond cycle permanently synched with the salary cycle, independent of
end of cycle reset.  Let me know if I can help fix this up; I think the
*goal* is worthwhile, even if the implementation was a little sloppy.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:03:52 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Ackanomic: Prop 1132 Fails

I believe I retracted this.  Could the scorekeeper adjust the scores.
Hopefully there will be a little more support for P 1138 :)

Malenkai

[email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Here are the voting results for : 1132
>   Proposal 1132 - Tue Aug 20 00:16:21 EDT 1996
>   Fixing a Loophole I almost Surfed but thought better of
>   Malenkai  (Randy Hall)
> 
> Quorum met : 15 eligible voters -- 13 players cast votes
> 
> 8 YES votes   6 NO votes   0 PRESENT votes
> Proposal FAILS
> 
> Malenkai loses 9 points.  56 -> 47
> 
> 8 YES votes:  1 point each
>   Malenkai               FUN                   47 -> 48
>   Mellon                                       19 -> 20
>   Niccolo Flychuck       Vulcan                 1 -> 2
>   snowgod                (None Yet)            -7 -> -6
>   /dev/joe               Vulcan                54 -> 55
>   Techno                 Underworld             1 -> 2
>   Wayne                  Underworld             7 -> 8
>   Pascal                                       10 -> 11
> 
> 6 NO votes:
>   Robin Hood                                  =   5
>   Brinjal                                     =   2
>   ThinMan                Vulcan               =   2
>   this is not a name     (None Yet)           =   2
>   Habeous Corpus                              =   6
>   breadbox                                    =   2
> 
> 0 PRESENT votes:
> 
> 2 ABSTENTIONS:
>   Bascule                FUN
>   mr cwm                 (None Yet)
> 
> Players on Vacation who did not vote:
>   fon
>   De'ghew                Underworld
>   Calvin N Hobbes        FUN
>   Robert Sevin
>   Geezer
> 
> New players who are not active:
> 
> ====================================================
> Wayne, your friendly Tabulator
> ====================================================

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:07:50 -0400
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Magic Potato

Did I miss something, or should snowgod actually have the magic potato.
I pointed this out before, and nothing happenend; just trying to get it
right in case Netscape ate more of my mail.

If the magic potato has been unlawfully non-distributed, it possibly
brings up points in Steve's essay again; I find that stuff cool.

Malenkai

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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:33:41 -0800
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ambassador; Official 

I'm sorry to report that Ackanomic's interest in the game of internomic
appears to be non-existant.  During the Voting period for the first two
proposals, I recieved 4 votes.  So far for the second one, I have recieved
two.

I have recieved no votes for the third set of proposals.

I would like to fix this problem, and below I will outline a copuple of
possible solutions.  But first I would like to rewust that the assistant
tabulator immediatly begin soliciting votes on all of the current proposals.

Solutions:

#1) Continue on as we are now, letting a small minority determine Acka's
votes in Internomic.

#2) Adopt scoring changes on internomic proposals similar to the way that
we do with Acka proposals (as well as incentives for players to submit or
comment on internomic proposals)

#3) Make internomic votes a political decision by allowing the bored
senators to be the only ones able to cast votes on internomic matters.  In
the event of a tie, the proconsul could vote.  If the president disagrees
with the senates decision, he may VETO it and submit it to the general
populace for a vote.

#4) Allow the liason to vote however he chooses (this is what Imperial 14
does).

#5) Withdrawl from internomic.

I personally like number three, but before submitting any proposals to make
these changes, I would like to solicit other peoples opinion.  Any comments?

snowgod
Ambassador
President
And so much more

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